Natalee Case Discussion #713 1/16 - 1/20/08

[Red]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

What happened to Daniel's file 13 tape?

Daniel and Kelly sent it to so many people including Karin Jansen, why do they want it back from only Julia? The following is a letter from Roger.

1. Kelly and Daniel approached Anita and told her about the tape (and allowed her to hear it and gave her a copy). Kelly and Daniel said they wanted to make it public. They really sold Anita quite a bill of goods telling her they had proof of Joran's innocence and Anita was an easy target for them. So Roger is finally admitting he has been in cahoots with the van der sloots

2. Anita suggested that perhaps Scrux could host it on the internet, the way Scrux had hosted the Skeeters recording. So anita is the controller of Scrux liars board...interesting

3. Anita provided Kelly and Daniel with Roger's (my) email address (because I had done some earlier correspondence with Anita about something else). yeah I'll bet

4. Kelly Castillo wrote to me (as Roger) asking if I could host it on Scrux.

5. At the time, I wanted my personal identity to remain anonymous  and I wrote Jan to see if she would receive it for me (because she had been pretty open about publishing her real name for other things). She said ok and I then referred Kelly to her and Jan then emailed Kelly her street address, whereupon she sent Jan the tape. Jan then transferred it digitally and uploaded a copy to me. more spiders in the spider web of lies and liars

6. After I listened to it, I realized that without Beth's permission, that has been the ONLY smart thing he did  it couldn't be published. Not because Beth's words can't be published, but because in the recording, Beth specifically is angered (rightly so) when late in the tape Daniel tells her that this conversation is being recorded and Beth says point-blank that she doesn't want that and didn't give her permission and hangs up. Here in this country the laws are strange about recordings. If someone denies permission, then to publish that recording becomes a criminal matter (not just civil).

7. So, I gave Jan a suggested wording and she wrote Kelly explaining that it wouldn't be published by Scrux.

8. Even more important was that Daniel came off as really a demanding, unreasonable jerk and Beth as quite gracious and polite. Her comment about not wanting to know who Natalee was with last is taken entirely out of context and really was Beth saying that she didn't care "who was with Natalee last," as much as she did, "where Natalee is right now." He was saying they were psychics who knew where Natalee was and Beth kept asking "where," and he was playing games with that (like he might tell her later). It's quite a distortion to say Beth said she didn't care who she was with last, when you realize that she was saying that such things weren't as important as wanting to know first "where Natalee is."

9. I would have gladly published it to clarify what they were saying as nonsense, but with Beth outright saying she didn't want her phone conversation recorded and hanging up after saying that... that stopped me cold from publishing it. I asked Jon (who I set up as the new Scrux forum admin) to write Beth for permission to post it and he did, but she never responded, so it remained unpublished.

10. Publishing Skeeters is another matter. The recordings were provided as possible evidence by Skeeters to the police and he said he had proper ownership. The police gave them to me. My publishing those recordings was the best thing that could have happened to Deepak, because they cleared his name (not slandered him). Shows more corrupton from the ALE

These are the very people who have made the continual accusations that SM was bought, funded and paid for by Natalee's family. What a joke that has now turned out to be as it is being proved that all of these are sights are fronts for the Sloots and Aruba.

As I have always said ... what you accuse others of ... you are guilty of yourself.

As the spider web of lies tried to be explained away as reputations fall ... I sit back and laugh at all of the stupid and ridiculous accusations put forth toward Scared Monkeys.

Scared Monkeys remains the only independent site out there who is controlled by its owners and influenced by no one.

That is what has made this site the most reputable. Glad to see all the rats rating each other out to save their collective a$$es.

[Magnolia]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

No, two years ago, I had no way to prove that they were or were not correct in their accusations.  I couldn't ask Lorenzo, he was in Jail, I couldn't find Scooby either, the part about the ALE moving Natalee's remains around, highly doubtful, but same thing, couldn't prove if it was true or not.  They said Natalee's friends (Maynard and Mary Ann Smith) told them of Jugs abuse to Natalee and they had an incriminating tape of Beth and one of her friends.

I don't believe they have any valid information...  I don't know about this fight time arrival paper, it appears to be real, but I trust that the OM will get down to the bottom of this. Whether they will make a public statement or not, I seriously hope so.

So according to Renfro, Lorenzo was in jail 2 years ago??

I find it rather poetic justice that Julia is being questioned by the very people that have believed her hook, line and sinker. Then JR deals with these two nuts because they have a common enemy against Beth. Now it all comes home to roost for Glenda.

You know what they say JR ...

When you lie down with flees, you get dogs

Glenda/Renfro spent hours last night and again this morning trying to twist and defend what she has said for the last 2 years.  It's not working and I love it.

The thing that I find interesting is that all of a sudden Glenda/Julia sees the need
to defend all of the statements that he has been making for the last 2+ years,
and bring Siddalee and Sandrak to cover her back.  Something has scared the
hell out of Julia.

[klaasend]

[SunnyinTX]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

No, two years ago, I had no way to prove that they were or were not correct in their accusations.  I couldn't ask Lorenzo, he was in Jail, I couldn't find Scooby either, the part about the ALE moving Natalee's remains around, highly doubtful, but same thing, couldn't prove if it was true or not.  They said Natalee's friends (Maynard and Mary Ann Smith) told them of Jugs abuse to Natalee and they had an incriminating tape of Beth and one of her friends.

I don't believe they have any valid information...  I don't know about this fight time arrival paper, it appears to be real, but I trust that the OM will get down to the bottom of this. Whether they will make a public statement or not, I seriously hope so.

So according to Renfro, Lorenzo was in jail 2 years ago??

I find it rather poetic justice that Julia is being questioned by the very people that have believed her hook, line and sinker. Then JR deals with these two nuts because they have a common enemy against Beth. Now it all comes home to roost for Glenda.

You know what they say JR ...

When you lie down with flees, you get dogs

LOL....hi Red!!   it's about time that some of those RU-ers get their heads outta their rear ends and start questioning renho and her motives

[SunnyinTX]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

What happened to Daniel's file 13 tape?

Daniel and Kelly sent it to so many people including Karin Jansen, why do they want it back from only Julia? The following is a letter from Roger.

1. Kelly and Daniel approached Anita and told her about the tape (and allowed her to hear it and gave her a copy). Kelly and Daniel said they wanted to make it public. They really sold Anita quite a bill of goods telling her they had proof of Joran's innocence and Anita was an easy target for them. So Roger is finally admitting he has been in cahoots with the van der sloots

2. Anita suggested that perhaps Scrux could host it on the internet, the way Scrux had hosted the Skeeters recording. So anita is the controller of Scrux liars board...interesting

3. Anita provided Kelly and Daniel with Roger's (my) email address (because I had done some earlier correspondence with Anita about something else). yeah I'll bet

4. Kelly Castillo wrote to me (as Roger) asking if I could host it on Scrux.

5. At the time, I wanted my personal identity to remain anonymous  and I wrote Jan to see if she would receive it for me (because she had been pretty open about publishing her real name for other things). She said ok and I then referred Kelly to her and Jan then emailed Kelly her street address, whereupon she sent Jan the tape. Jan then transferred it digitally and uploaded a copy to me. more spiders in the spider web of lies and liars

6. After I listened to it, I realized that without Beth's permission, that has been the ONLY smart thing he did  it couldn't be published. Not because Beth's words can't be published, but because in the recording, Beth specifically is angered (rightly so) when late in the tape Daniel tells her that this conversation is being recorded and Beth says point-blank that she doesn't want that and didn't give her permission and hangs up. Here in this country the laws are strange about recordings. If someone denies permission, then to publish that recording becomes a criminal matter (not just civil).

7. So, I gave Jan a suggested wording and she wrote Kelly explaining that it wouldn't be published by Scrux.

8. Even more important was that Daniel came off as really a demanding, unreasonable jerk and Beth as quite gracious and polite. Her comment about not wanting to know who Natalee was with last is taken entirely out of context and really was Beth saying that she didn't care "who was with Natalee last," as much as she did, "where Natalee is right now." He was saying they were psychics who knew where Natalee was and Beth kept asking "where," and he was playing games with that (like he might tell her later). It's quite a distortion to say Beth said she didn't care who she was with last, when you realize that she was saying that such things weren't as important as wanting to know first "where Natalee is."

9. I would have gladly published it to clarify what they were saying as nonsense, but with Beth outright saying she didn't want her phone conversation recorded and hanging up after saying that... that stopped me cold from publishing it. I asked Jon (who I set up as the new Scrux forum admin) to write Beth for permission to post it and he did, but she never responded, so it remained unpublished.

10. Publishing Skeeters is another matter. The recordings were provided as possible evidence by Skeeters to the police and he said he had proper ownership. The police gave them to me. My publishing those recordings was the best thing that could have happened to Deepak, because they cleared his name (not slandered him). Shows more corrupton from the ALE

These are the very people who have made the continual accusations that SM was bought, funded and paid for by Natalee's family. What a joke that has now turned out to be as it is being proved that all of these are sights are fronts for the Sloots and Aruba.

As I have always said ... what you accuse others of ... you are guilty of yourself.

As the spider web of lies tried to be explained away as reputations fall ... I sit back and laugh at all of the stupid and ridiculous accusations put forth toward Scared Monkeys.

Scared Monkeys remains the only independent site out there who is controlled by its owners and influenced by no one.   the only thing I have ever seen SM influenced by was THE TRUTH!!!  thank you Red.........

That is what has made this site the most reputable. Glad to see all the rats rating each other out to save their collective a$$es.

AMEN!!!

[Sam]

I wish there were someway we could confirm whether Lorenzo was in jail 2 years ago. Maybe she just means the times he was questioned.

For the Shango followers. I went to Lost in Smallness archives today and found this. It was about the elections. This is from 2005.

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

[SunnyinTX]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

No, two years ago, I had no way to prove that they were or were not correct in their accusations.  I couldn't ask Lorenzo, he was in Jail, I couldn't find Scooby either, the part about the ALE moving Natalee's remains around, highly doubtful, but same thing, couldn't prove if it was true or not.  They said Natalee's friends (Maynard and Mary Ann Smith) told them of Jugs abuse to Natalee and they had an incriminating tape of Beth and one of her friends.

I don't believe they have any valid information...  I don't know about this fight time arrival paper, it appears to be real, but I trust that the OM will get down to the bottom of this. Whether they will make a public statement or not, I seriously hope so.

So according to Renfro, Lorenzo was in jail 2 years ago??

I find it rather poetic justice that Julia is being questioned by the very people that have believed her hook, line and sinker. Then JR deals with these two nuts because they have a common enemy against Beth. Now it all comes home to roost for Glenda.

You know what they say JR ...

When you lie down with flees, you get dogs

Glenda/Renfro spent hours last night and again this morning trying to twist and defend what she has said for the last 2 years.  It's not working and I love it.

The thing that I find interesting is that all of a sudden Glenda/Julia sees the need
to defend all of the statements that he has been making for the last 2+ years,
and bring Siddalee and Sandrak to cover her back.  Something has scared the
hell out of Julia.

I agree...wonder if she is fixing to take a vacation real soon....

[SunnyinTX]

I wish there were someway we could confirm whether Lorenzo was in jail 2 years ago. Maybe she just means the times he was questioned.

For the Shango followers. I went to Lost in Smallness archives today and found this. It was about the elections. This is from 2005.

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Hi San!!! 

[SunnyinTX]

that was supposed to be SAM!!  hi SAM!!

[klaasend]

All this spinning is making me dizzy 

[Magnolia]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

No, two years ago, I had no way to prove that they were or were not correct in their accusations.  I couldn't ask Lorenzo, he was in Jail, I couldn't find Scooby either, the part about the ALE moving Natalee's remains around, highly doubtful, but same thing, couldn't prove if it was true or not.  They said Natalee's friends (Maynard and Mary Ann Smith) told them of Jugs abuse to Natalee and they had an incriminating tape of Beth and one of her friends.

I don't believe they have any valid information...  I don't know about this fight time arrival paper, it appears to be real, but I trust that the OM will get down to the bottom of this. Whether they will make a public statement or not, I seriously hope so.

So according to Renfro, Lorenzo was in jail 2 years ago??

I find it rather poetic justice that Julia is being questioned by the very people that have believed her hook, line and sinker. Then JR deals with these two nuts because they have a common enemy against Beth. Now it all comes home to roost for Glenda.

You know what they say JR ...

When you lie down with flees, you get dogs

Glenda/Renfro spent hours last night and again this morning trying to twist and defend what she has said for the last 2 years.  It's not working and I love it.

The thing that I find interesting is that all of a sudden Glenda/Julia sees the need
to defend all of the statements that he has been making for the last 2+ years,
and bring Siddalee and Sandrak to cover her back.  Something has scared the
hell out of Julia.

I agree...wonder if she is fixing to take a vacation real soon....

Maybe in a cement canoe

[klaasend]

More from Glenda at RU:

TO BE CLEAR:

1. I never said that it was "confirmed" to be Natalee on that Tape.

2. The tape was prior to May 29th, 2005.

3. The Psychics have stated that It is Natalee with Pitbull after May 29th, 2005.

[Red]

OT ... but sound familair? They always operate in 3's ...

3 held after tourist goes missing

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=nw20080120160412179C457526

Three people have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of a Danish tourist, Western Cape police said on Sunday.

Police spokesperson Superintendent Andre Traut said two women were arrested in the early hours of Sunday morning, following the arrest of a 35-year-old man on Saturday.

Preben Povlsen, 71, was last seen leaving his house in Gordon's Bay, Chapmen Drive in his blue Mazda 323 on January 14.

"The vehicle was recovered in Gugulethu, just outside Cape Town, today (Sunday)," Traut said.

He said the three were in custody at Gordon's Bay police station.

[SunnyinTX]

All this spinning is making me dizzy 

hahahahaha......I am loving it......see her paddling in deep water and she can't swim!!  When she said there were a lot of lunatics in the world.....she should have said..including myself.....she is gonna  self destruct and it can't come too soon...pack your bags renho.....your time is up

[SunnyinTX]

OT ... but sound familair? They always operate in 3's ...

3 held after tourist goes missing

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=nw20080120160412179C457526

Three people have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of a Danish tourist, Western Cape police said on Sunday.

Police spokesperson Superintendent Andre Traut said two women were arrested in the early hours of Sunday morning, following the arrest of a 35-year-old man on Saturday.

Preben Povlsen, 71, was last seen leaving his house in Gordon's Bay, Chapmen Drive in his blue Mazda 323 on January 14.

"The vehicle was recovered in Gugulethu, just outside Cape Town, today (Sunday)," Traut said.

He said the three were in custody at Gordon's Bay police station.

thanks RED.....amazing that some LE can find and arrest people isn't it

[Buckeye]

Now, supposedly, we have this super secret evidence tape.  Julia is hoping the ALE can identify the people in it.

So....how did Daniel and Kelly get their hands on this evidence, to not only view it, but to come all the way from the states to name the perpetrators....that the ALE and KPLD cannot identify?

What is going on??  My best guess is that there has been a meeting at the Van der Sloots to review the file (of which they have a copy) and a team has been put into place to try and save the image of the Sporter and of course, the island.  or.....should I believe that the island is corrupt enough that evidence was shared with reporters??

[dennisintn]

Now, supposedly, we have this super secret evidence tape.  Julia is hoping the ALE can identify the people in it.

So....how did Daniel and Kelly get their hands on this evidence, to not only view it, but to come all the way from the states to name the perpetrators....that the ALE and KPLD cannot identify?

What is going on??  My best guess is that there has been a meeting at the Van der Sloots to review the file (of which they have a copy) and a team has been put into place to try and save the image of the Sporter and of course, the island.  or.....should I believe that the island is corrupt enough that evidence was shared with reporters??

according to aruba steve, ahata and ata's joint group had copies of all the police reports including f.b.i. statements and they were all hard at work studying them.  this was in late 2005.  i doubt anything changed after that.
dennisintn

[San]

that was supposed to be SAM!!  hi SAM!!

Well I'll say hi anyway.  Hi Sunny.

[Buckeye]

Now, supposedly, we have this super secret evidence tape.  Julia is hoping the ALE can identify the people in it.

So....how did Daniel and Kelly get their hands on this evidence, to not only view it, but to come all the way from the states to name the perpetrators....that the ALE and KPLD cannot identify?

What is going on??  My best guess is that there has been a meeting at the Van der Sloots to review the file (of which they have a copy) and a team has been put into place to try and save the image of the Sporter and of course, the island.  or.....should I believe that the island is corrupt enough that evidence was shared with reporters??

according to aruba steve, ahata and ata's joint group had copies of all the police reports including f.b.i. statements and they were all hard at work studying them.  this was in late 2005.  i doubt anything changed after that.
dennisintn

and I do remember Julia having to run to deliver documents to the "task force".  Poor girl can file whatever charges she likes but I really don't see them investigating themselves.  She certainly is in a pickle. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Does anyone else wonder if this Pitbull story bs has anything to do with their using a darker skinned actor in the reenactment for Joran?  Just was thinking about that, again, because you never know what is actually going on there.