Natalee Case Discussion #713 1/16 - 1/20/08

[private eye]

PE, I in no way believe that the abuse, pregnancy crap is true.  I do believe that Aruba would try to use these lies to try to help themselves and tourism.  I think it's one of the stupidest things they have done on top of MANY stupid things!  They are not even smart enough to see that this just might backfire on them!  I also think that Julia has finally gotten caught up in her lies by those who have hung on her every word and believed ANYTHING she said.  We've known all along that she was lying.  I believe it is a crying shame that anyone would make these accusations or believe them but I do hope that the one good thing that comes out of this current lie is that Julia Renfro goes down!

I am with you 100%, and I hope she takes Rudy with her, but I have a feeling that this is smoke and mirrors because the interview turned out to be explosive, and it blew up in her hands

[klaasend]

Which brings me back to the Aru-Bay videos and the rocks.  What where they covering up here?

[jackb]

Do all of you really believe this latest "turn of events'?

Do I really believe it?  As far as what was said NO, not one bit of it.  As far as the ignorance in allowing these two idiots to go on TV in Aruba and spew their BS, yes I believe AHATA is ignorant.

They put me in mind of a witch coven with the filthy lies and attempts at diversion.  Some of those women were probably involved.    j/b

[JuJu]

I hate to be stupid, but what are we looking at in the bottom photo that is circled?

[Observer]

I hate to be stupid, but what are we looking at in the bottom photo that is circled?

Probably blood,That guy is a member of the ALE and works in forensics according to Jossy.

[Magnolia]

ABOUT PITBULL

Pitbull = Dinesh Djoegan

He went to Venezuela for his friend at that time M.L. to slick some Bolita (drug Bolls).

Returning to Aruba, he did called his wife that he is comming to Aruba and stated that he is not feeling well, At arrival in Aruba he was pickup by (ML) Mikel Livingston where they brought him to ML house. Their they provided Pitbull with some laxative to make his bawls move the bolitas out from his stomach. but did laxative that was prepared by the two women that was with ML prove to be so strong that it did eat the rubbers of the bolitas and so he died of an overdose. Not knowing what to do with the body, ML opened Pitbull stomach to remove the rest of the drugs. The two women then decided to proceed to cut the body in peaces to get rid of it. They did not have the stomach to deal with so much blood, so they wrap it plastic bag and decided to bring it to the Guardarikiri Cave and tried to burn it. The Body did not burned completely due to the strong wind that was blowing and the flames were gone.

ML thought he had it made but forgot that Pitbull called his wife arriving at Aruba Airport.

ML and the 2 women are in jail fore this macabre act.

This was on April 5. that the body was discovered by some Park Rangers.



 

That is exactly how I figured Pit Bull died of an overdose.

[dennisintn]

WHy was Pitbull's head bashed in if they were just trying to remove drugs from his body?

they were just helping him out by swatting mosquitos off his head while he was busy dying.  dengue fever is rough down there, you know.
dennisintn

[klaasend]

Which brings me back to the Aru-Bay videos and the rocks.  What where they covering up here?

The videos of the rocks started being uploaded to the Aru-Bay site in the afternoon of June 11, 2005.  That's is right the same time of the confession and retraction.  The rocks are in the vicinity of the Lighthouse.




http://www.aru-bay.com/images/?thumb=1

[Observer]

XIII. Stay the Course

Sun 20-Jan 1515hrs
The Persistence arrived dockside around 4am this morning after a rough night. 1415hrs - The Persistence pulls away from the dock to return to the deep water survey area.

A fundamental principle of Murphy’s Law states that if it can go wrong it will go wrong. When it fails, it will do so at the worst possible moment. This is not a result of chance or bad luck, rather the collision of engineering limitations with physics.
Increasing the water depth increases the length of cable paid out which in turn increases the strain on the winch due to the armored cable weight and drag. With roughly 0.5lb/ft of cable x 4000 ft of cable deployed = about 1 ton of cable dead weight on the winch. Increasing the speed either by towing faster or by adding swift ocean currents vectored in the opposite direction increases drag and therefore adds more strain on the winch. Large sea swells (10ft+) heaves and pitches the boat which pulls and drops the towfish significantly. Particularly large swells can shock-load the winch. This means there is a sudden added force which is unevenly applied to the winch.
Last night’s situation:
2355 hrs: The towfish is near the sea floor with 3500ft of cable out in about 900ft of water. A large submarine hill is rapidly approaching so we began spooling in cable as fast as the winch allows. Combined with the drag-strain of the cable, current speed, and large swells, the winch reached its engineered limits and failed at the worst possible moment. Unable to retrieve cable, the towfish was about to catastrophically collide with the seafloor. The only option was to significantly increase speed and immediately turn towards deeper water. The quick decision paid off as the towfish skimmed over the hill-face. Having narrowly escaped the immediate danger, the Persistence stayed in the deepest water possible while making gentle turns as the team fixed the broken winch. Just after midnight with 12-14ft swells amidst the emergency and with waves washing over the back deck, the crew feverishly repaired the winch. The stellar teamwork, excellent situational awareness, and quick thinking combined to successfully avoid disaster. Once the towfish was safe on the back deck of the Persistence we headed for the dock, wet, tired, and relieved.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

[Tylergal]

I said this last night and will repeat it today---This is the proof Joe Taco said he has that proves his client is totally innocent.  Is he trying to force Beth into a law suit in the U.S. so he can get her on the stand?  If so he is baiting her and that is soooooo evil (MOO).  He is the spokesperson for AHATA and he is behind all of this. No wonder he did not show his face on camera after the wine-throwing incident.     

(MOO)

This is the very reason I have always thought JQK played his cards so close to the vest, much to the chagrin of many monkeys who wanted him to lambaste and create acrimony.  I saw it is a way of him keeping anything close and not having loose lips.  I would bet JQK has every single word Joe Taco has ever said and every word posted on these forums at his disposal, just in case.

[Tylergal]

Glenda/Renfro back peddling and they aren't buying it 

all this not lost on JQK.

[klaasend]

I can see it going something like this.  

[Tylergal]

Now, supposedly, we have this super secret evidence tape.  Julia is hoping the ALE can identify the people in it.

So....how did Daniel and Kelly get their hands on this evidence, to not only view it, but to come all the way from the states to name the perpetrators....that the ALE and KPLD cannot identify?

What is going on??  My best guess is that there has been a meeting at the Van der Sloots to review the file (of which they have a copy) and a team has been put into place to try and save the image of the Sporter and of course, the island.  or.....should I believe that the island is corrupt enough that evidence was shared with reporters??

according to aruba steve, ahata and ata's joint group had copies of all the police reports including f.b.i. statements and they were all hard at work studying them.  this was in late 2005.  i doubt anything changed after that.
dennisintn

It is my understanding, and someone/anyone, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, that AHATA/ATA had become "deputized" sotaspeak to find Natalee's killers in Mountain Brook.  (sat off)

[klaasend]

Now, supposedly, we have this super secret evidence tape.  Julia is hoping the ALE can identify the people in it.

So....how did Daniel and Kelly get their hands on this evidence, to not only view it, but to come all the way from the states to name the perpetrators....that the ALE and KPLD cannot identify?

What is going on??  My best guess is that there has been a meeting at the Van der Sloots to review the file (of which they have a copy) and a team has been put into place to try and save the image of the Sporter and of course, the island.  or.....should I believe that the island is corrupt enough that evidence was shared with reporters??

according to aruba steve, ahata and ata's joint group had copies of all the police reports including f.b.i. statements and they were all hard at work studying them.  this was in late 2005.  i doubt anything changed after that.
dennisintn

It is my understanding, and someone/anyone, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, that AHATA/ATA had become "deputized" sotaspeak to find Natalee's killers in Mountain Brook.  (sat off)

So, would that make StinkyPete a deputy 

[Tylergal]

I don't know if I do or not, I guess I never really followed this except with Shango and the rave parties. I think I dropped it because I couldn't reconcile it with Jorans statement and the recorded conversation. Of course that could have been a scam.

If it is true, does it absolve Joran accept for the procuring of Natalee? What about Depaak and Satish?

What I believe about the statements is that they are looking for a scapegoat for their precious demonic island of which Joran is representative. He was the popular Dutch boy with the academic and athletic prowess, according to his mother, who the island wanted to promote as someone bigger than a Rhodes scholar, their boy who was going to the Ivy League, although it was an obscure, small private school in Florida, with many Aruban connections. 

Do I believe Joran is responsible for Natalee's death?  Yes.
Do I believe Paulus is involved in some way, even more than peripherally?  Yes.
Do I believe Natalee left with Satish, Deepak and Joran?  Yes.
Do I believe she died within hours of leaving with them?  Yes, a few short hours, maybe less than 3 hours.
Do I believe that she was raped?  Yes.
Do I believe that all three raped her?  Not sure about that.
Do I believe Paulus was involved in her rape?  In some way, yes, even if it was just at the suggestion of such at the casino, but not sure she lived to the time she was to be delivered to the elders, although S&S seem to imply he did rape her.
Do I believe Pitbull was involved in some way?  Yes, possibly sold the drugs to Deepak and came to Joran's rescue when "something bad happened."
Do I believe Rene is involved?  Yes, at the request of Paulus and/or Pitbull.

[Tylergal]

ABOUT PITBULL

Pitbull = Dinesh Djoegan

He went to Venezuela for his friend at that time M.L. to slick some Bolita (drug Bolls).

Returning to Aruba, he did called his wife that he is comming to Aruba and stated that he is not feeling well, At arrival in Aruba he was pickup by (ML) Mikel Livingston where they brought him to ML house. Their they provided Pitbull with some laxative to make his bawls move the bolitas out from his stomach. but did laxative that was prepared by the two women that was with ML prove to be so strong that it did eat the rubbers of the bolitas and so he died of an overdose. Not knowing what to do with the body, ML opened Pitbull stomach to remove the rest of the drugs. The two women then decided to proceed to cut the body in peaces to get rid of it. They did not have the stomach to deal with so much blood, so they wrap it plastic bag and decided to bring it to the Guardarikiri Cave and tried to burn it. The Body did not burned completely due to the strong wind that was blowing and the flames were gone.

ML thought he had it made but forgot that Pitbull called his wife arriving at Aruba Airport.

ML and the 2 women are in jail fore this macabre act.

This was on April 5. that the body was discovered by some Park Rangers.



 

If any of you saw Marie, Full of Grace, this is the way mules are treated.  However, it is not the wife administering the drugs, it is the drug lord who does not care about the person but wants the drugs.  If the drugs were placed in a condom, they are often difficult to pass intact and the condom can rupture and explode contents into the gut, but with the haul being such a large amount of money, the mule's stomach is emptied and if they are unable to obtain the goods, often mutilation occurs which is an implied way of saying they believe he had sold the goods or to send a message to other perspective mules that you don't mess with their drugs and they get them regardless of what it takes to get them and if they do not, woe be unto the mule.

[Tylergal]

Do all of you really believe this latest "turn of events'?

Do I really believe it?  As far as what was said NO, not one bit of it.  As far as the ignorance in allowing these two idiots to go on TV in Aruba and spew their BS, yes I believe AHATA is ignorant.

Do you think the riff is real between Julia et al or is it part of the scam and a ploy to distance her from liability, same as Charlie?

Remember what I said last week about the hot smell of litigation when you were defended them, Charlie in particular?

[Magnolia]

XIII. Stay the Course

Sun 20-Jan 1515hrs
The Persistence arrived dockside around 4am this morning after a rough night. 1415hrs - The Persistence pulls away from the dock to return to the deep water survey area.

A fundamental principle of Murphy’s Law states that if it can go wrong it will go wrong. When it fails, it will do so at the worst possible moment. This is not a result of chance or bad luck, rather the collision of engineering limitations with physics.
Increasing the water depth increases the length of cable paid out which in turn increases the strain on the winch due to the armored cable weight and drag. With roughly 0.5lb/ft of cable x 4000 ft of cable deployed = about 1 ton of cable dead weight on the winch. Increasing the speed either by towing faster or by adding swift ocean currents vectored in the opposite direction increases drag and therefore adds more strain on the winch. Large sea swells (10ft+) heaves and pitches the boat which pulls and drops the towfish significantly. Particularly large swells can shock-load the winch. This means there is a sudden added force which is unevenly applied to the winch.
Last night’s situation:
2355 hrs: The towfish is near the sea floor with 3500ft of cable out in about 900ft of water. A large submarine hill is rapidly approaching so we began spooling in cable as fast as the winch allows. Combined with the drag-strain of the cable, current speed, and large swells, the winch reached its engineered limits and failed at the worst possible moment. Unable to retrieve cable, the towfish was about to catastrophically collide with the seafloor. The only option was to significantly increase speed and immediately turn towards deeper water. The quick decision paid off as the towfish skimmed over the hill-face. Having narrowly escaped the immediate danger, the Persistence stayed in the deepest water possible while making gentle turns as the team fixed the broken winch. Just after midnight with 12-14ft swells amidst the emergency and with waves washing over the back deck, the crew feverishly repaired the winch. The stellar teamwork, excellent situational awareness, and quick thinking combined to successfully avoid disaster. Once the towfish was safe on the back deck of the Persistence we headed for the dock, wet, tired, and relieved.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

WOW!!  I could almost see it all happening.  Good Work.

[San]

WARNING VERY GRAPHIC.  NOT FOR THE WEARY.

Here is a picture that was in the A.M. Digital of Pitbull's body that was found in Quadirikiri Cave.

[Magnolia]

Glenda/Renfro back peddling and they aren't buying it 

all this not lost on JQK.

Notice how Heli was conspiciously absent from last night's discussions.