Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[KarmaRoundUp]

There were many opportunities since June of 2005 to sort out the rumors and lies and speculation.

Why wait until now? 

What possible use would the new mediums information be now that the investigation is closed?

Does it perhaps keep Aruba in the news?

Did ALE/NFI/Dutch take the National Enquirer, National Examiner, and Globe reporting into consideration when the investigation was on-going?

What makes these two people worthy of consideration?

Why not investigate where the investigation was headed in the first days after Natalee went missing?  Who was calling the shots? 

Who was directing where ALE could search?  Deciding which witness testimony was credible?  Deciding who should be taken into custody for questioning?
Just the basics, please.

Basic version:As far as I can tell it was Karin Janssen leading the investigation,directing the ALE where and whom to search so I guess you could blame it all on her....at least in the initial stages of the so called investigation.
More complicated version:
ALL of the so called non biased judges that came to aruba.
ALL of the so called non biased LE investigators and interrogators.
ALL of those involved with tourism on aruba because it was them that decided long ago that tourism monies and what it covered up was more important than one little 18 yo American tourist.

[San]

Why didn't someone in Aruba put a stop to all those rumors?

How about something like -

There is no evidence that Natalee was with a blue-eyed Dutch boy.

There is no evidence that Natalee had breakfast/brunch with a ministers son.

There is no evidence that Natalee was left at the beach.

There is no evidence (fill in the blank).

What is the difference between a suspect/witness story and the rumors and speculation of others?  Who decides who is  witness, and who is suspect?  Or, former suspect?  Person of interest?

Why would anyone want to point the finger at Julia?


"No tree has branches so foolish as to fight among them selves." - The Ojibway Tribe

Of course, if any of this crap went down like they said it did, or if a Medjet whisked her away off the island, THERE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN A NEED FOR JORAN TO CHANGE HIS STORY ABOUT HOW HE GOT HOME THAT NIGHT FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES AND THE KALPOES WOULDN'T HAVE A REASON TO BE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH HIS CURRENT VERSION TO THIS VERY DAY.

These Aruban goverment idiots, along with and Julia and her ilk, were initially enamored with these two psychos' theory and thought it would place the blame on Beth, but when they got the final version with Renfro being involved in hiding her out and the corrupt ALE disposing of Natalee their disinformation campaign BLEW UP IN THEIR FACE and now they don't know how to get the egg of.

Certainly the ALE and Dutch weren't so stupid as to not looking at this BS when it first came out. Otherwise, what the hell were they doing all that time when they were supposedly investigating with 18 detectives on the case and spending that 5 million dollar budget?

THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT AND THEIR MEDIA HAKS ARE ALL FOOLS. THEY JUST KEEP DIGGING THEMSELVES A DEEPER GRAVE.

I agree Dayhiker.

[Buckeye]

Why didn't someone in Aruba put a stop to all those rumors?

How about something like -

There is no evidence that Natalee was with a blue-eyed Dutch boy.

There is no evidence that Natalee had breakfast/brunch with a ministers son.

There is no evidence that Natalee was left at the beach.

There is no evidence (fill in the blank).

What is the difference between a suspect/witness story and the rumors and speculation of others?  Who decides who is  witness, and who is suspect?  Or, former suspect?  Person of interest?

Why would anyone want to point the finger at Julia?


"No tree has branches so foolish as to fight among them selves." - The Ojibway Tribe

Of course, if any of this crap went down like they said it did, or if a Medjet whisked her away off the island, THERE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN A NEED FOR JORAN TO CHANGE HIS STORY ABOUT HOW HE GOT HOME THAT NIGHT FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES AND THE KALPOES WOULDN'T HAVE A REASON TO BE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH HIS CURRENT VERSION TO THIS VERY DAY.

These Aruban goverment idiots, along with and Julia and her ilk, were initially enamored with these two psychos' theory and thought it would place the blame on Beth, but when they got the final version with Renfro being involved in hiding her out and the corrupt ALE disposing of Natalee their disinformation campaign BLEW UP IN THEIR FACE and now they don't know how to get the egg of.

Certainly the ALE and Dutch weren't so stupid as to not looking at this BS when it first came out. Otherwise, what the hell were they doing all that time when they were supposedly investigating with 18 detectives on the case and spending that 5 million dollar budget?

THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT AND THEIR MEDIA HAKS ARE ALL FOOLS. THEY JUST KEEP DIGGING THEMSELVES A DEEPER GRAVE.

I agree Dayhiker.

 

[Buckeye]

They have been looking forever for a US media to take up their cause.  It burns their butt that nobody will take up the Gielen and Ministers slanderous message.  These two showed copies of their letters to Greta, etc and they figured jackpot.  Renho would have been content to go with the plan except the plan was twisted on her (which the others thought would make it easier to sell, in the US....because they read and know we would be happy with trashing her).  Well the cheerleaders wre really upset when the whole message was lost because Renho threw a fit.  Kinda reminds me of the Sloot message being lost when Joran threw the wine.  Two strikes....they're almost out....what will be strike three??

I am guessing that the tourism/government pays by the post turned in.  Someone shoud show them how to read the real online info...I hear Boeti is now computer literate and giving interviews....perhaps they could pay him a little extra.   

[San]

They have been looking forever for a US media to take up their cause.  It burns their butt that nobody will take up the Gielen and Ministers slanderous message.  These two showed copies of their letters to Greta, etc and they figured jackpot.  Renho would have been content to go with the plan except the plan was twisted on her (which the others thought would make it easier to sell, in the US....because they read and know we would be happy with trashing her).  Well the cheerleaders wre really upset when the whole message was lost because Renho threw a fit.  Kinda reminds me of the Sloot message being lost when Joran threw the wine.  Two strikes....they're almost out....what will be strike three??

I am guessing that the tourism/government pays by the post turned in.  Someone shoud show them how to read the real online info...I hear Boeti is now computer literate and giving interviews....perhaps they could pay him a little extra.   

 

[dennisintn]

They have been looking forever for a US media to take up their cause.  It burns their butt that nobody will take up the Gielen and Ministers slanderous message.  These two showed copies of their letters to Greta, etc and they figured jackpot.  Renho would have been content to go with the plan except the plan was twisted on her (which the others thought would make it easier to sell, in the US....because they read and know we would be happy with trashing her).  Well the cheerleaders wre really upset when the whole message was lost because Renho threw a fit.  Kinda reminds me of the Sloot message being lost when Joran threw the wine.  Two strikes....they're almost out....what will be strike three??

I am guessing that the tourism/government pays by the post turned in.  Someone shoud show them how to read the real online info...I hear Boeti is now computer literate and giving interviews....perhaps they could pay him a little extra.   

 

heck, the way briesen and croes are performing these days, boeti could replace both of them and do at least as good a job as they're doing.  give the man a little credit here.
dennisintn

[Buckeye]

You're right dennison.  Boeti does seem to communicate with the American tourists more than the other two.

[Buckeye]

You're right dennison.  Boeti does seem to communicate with the American tourists more than the other two.

dennisintn sorry for the spelling.

[dennisintn]

You're right dennison.  Boeti does seem to communicate with the American tourists more than the other two.

dennisintn sorry for the spelling.

lol, no problem, you ought to see some of the things i get called.
dennisintn

[ldstlou]

candycanelove Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:21 am   
Re: IOW

Myra Manes wrote:


 Could Julia have been caught in a lie? 


After hearing these two stories I think Julia is knee deep in all of this and I really have to wonder what a reporter has to gain from her involvement in a missing girl story. 

I wonder who the Renfro family is related to?  Anyone ever find out?

She is related to the Renho family 

roflmao

[Buckeye]

For Rosie at RU.  Please calm down.  All is not lost. We investigated for you.

Posted early this am on your site:

CancunMole  Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:42 am
DiamondDot wrote:


I disagree.

We now have a document that completely blows Beth out of the water. What the hell was she doing for almost 4 hours, before Jug arrived?

Couldn't find a police station in all that time?

CancunMole:

Document? I can buy that there may be a system that may be able to... account for the time that one's passport is SWIPED as theY enter ARuba BUT, other than the STUff that could be sucked off one's PaSSaPORtE.. ALL the rest, VAcation, E-Mail, Where staying, yadA, Yada, comes from a hand written form THAT would HAVE to be INPUT bu someone. ERGO, if some must be INput, then it is Possible that OTHER info may 2 be ADJUSted by MAnuel....... Another piece of POSSIBLE altered BS...

And from Gabe Leo posted at SM FP January 19, 2008:

....I can say though that their story about Twitty arriving in the morning and not in the night is not true, because I personally know those who were with Twitty and company when they arrived that night.

 

[Buckeye]

One last question:

Do you think that the same Aruban PR Media Team, that posted the "forensic scientist" Wiki link, for the Van der Sloot bug remover, is responsible for the stellar idea of backing the return of the Guiding Lights???

Somebody has more money than brains.   

[Tylergal]

You are going to LOL, when you read the tag line for which they won an award.

http://pop-pr.blogspot.com/2005/06/handling-pr-for-aruba.html

[Observer]

I see Aruba had another suicide today,I don't know the statistics but the numbers must be off the charts compared to countries/cities its size. Aruba must have over taken Japan as the suicide capitol of the world by now. I know the 3-4 suicides I looked into were very suspicious especially the Reporter and Cameraman who hung themselves 2 weeks a part 

[Tylergal]

I see Aruba had another suicide today,I don't know the statistics but the numbers must be off the charts compared to countries/cities its size. Aruba must have over taken Japan as the suicide capitol of the world by now. I know the 3-4 suicides I looked into were very suspicious especially the Reporter and Cameraman who hung themselves 2 weeks a part 

Has Ms. Marples been apprised for the capital crimes thread? 

[Red]

OT, however, amazing how these cases are so similar.

From the Front Page ... 19 Year old Coed Brianna Denison Missing in Reno, NV … Police Looking for Man who Drove Her to Friend’s House

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/19-year-old-coed-brianna-denison-missing-in-reno-nv-police-looking-for-man-who-drove-her-to-friends-house/

Doesn’t the following sound familiar? Police are looking for a man who drove Brianna Denison home Sunday night from the Sands Regency Hotel Casino. The man dropped Brianna Denison off at the house where she was staying after she failed to get a taxi cab.

Authorities have announced that they wanted to talk to an unnamed man in his 40s who may have information in Brianna Denison’s whereabouts. The man dropped Denison off at the house where she was staying after she failed to get a taxi cab.

Cops are looking for a tan-colored, later-model GMC or Chevy Suburban and a white male, about 45 years old, who might be of Latin descent.

[Tylergal]

Let me get this straight, and then I will bury it, never to be heard from again, hopefully, but these two whatchamcallit spirits who had been hired to communicate with the dead and advise regards Natalee, do they use a devining rod or go into trances or just read all they can on wiccan sites and then lay out a plan to con the person who contracted them, or just what is they claim they can do, rain dances, seances, etc.

[2NJSons_Mom]

You are going to LOL, when you read the tag line for which they won an award.

http://pop-pr.blogspot.com/2005/06/handling-pr-for-aruba.html

I also notice Dirty Handz posted a comment anti-Aruba....mmmmmmmm 

[Observer]

Has Ms. Marples been apprised for the capital crimes thread? 

Yes,She posted it this morning from 24ora.com

[private eye]

You are going to LOL, when you read the tag line for which they won an award.

http://pop-pr.blogspot.com/2005/06/handling-pr-for-aruba.html

I wonder what there involvement is, or the scope of their work? They handle the tourism pr for the ???????offical tourism, I am drawing a blank.