Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[private eye]

Renfro is friends with the Sloots.  I'm not sure how good of friends or for how long, but I know they are friends now according to her.  Of course, Renfro lies all the time so that could be a lie too 

Only when she speaks:)

[Lala'sMom]

The blue-eyed Dutch boy comes from a conversation Beth had with a hotel employee when she arrived on the island...Beth clears that up in her book. 

[Lala'sMom]

Okay, I know when I am not wanted. LOL  I took a bath.

[Tylergal]

Carla Reynolds is on the staff of Quinn and Co.

A lot of people refer to him as the father of the Arubian Hotel Industry or some similiar honor. There is also a Posnor family who is influential there. I don't think they are related to the gambler

Yes, Louis and Israel Posner, owners of Aruba Aloe.  No relation to Michael Posner that I know of.

I haven't found a connection either with Michael Posner the Mobster and the Aruban Posners. He may have changed to that name to blend in,as I believe he changed his name from Irv Goldstein. He may even go by Walter Posner,but I am not sure. I think there is a Minster of Health named Israel Posner and Oiky Posner is the father of the two above,who I believe made his money in the liquor business.

Because of Michael Posner's status as a former felon, he was unable to buy property such as this in his name and it was placed under family names.  It's called "beating the system." 

[Observer]

Because of Michael Posner's status as a former felon, he was unable to buy property such as this in his name and it was placed under family names.  It's called "beating the system." 

Yup,I'M sure he had help beating the system from people like Rudy Croes and possibly Paul Van Der Sloot. Last week in one of the Aruban papers I saw paperwork on a new casino in Aruba..Only one signature from the Aruban Govt and that was Rudy Croes. I bet Posner and his "Group" in Chicago payed the big bucks in kickbacks to be able to operate two hotels and a casino in Aruba.

[private eye]

The blue-eyed Dutch boy comes from a conversation Beth had with a hotel employee when she arrived on the island...Beth clears that up in her book. 

I guess I just don't want to consider all of these other theories:) Joran said she was with him, something bad happened, and she is buried by the fishermans hut. Paulus advising no body no case, means he knows his son and the others were involved with the death of Natalee. The boys words during a candid conversation that was recorded gives this credibility. Joran's Mom saw Natalee's panties. Paulus was expelled as a judge in training. Joran has anger problems which made him being a prisoner in jail seem normal to the warden, an old family friend. We saw him throw the wine. The boys lied. The boys framed 2 innocent people.

I am absolutely positive they did it, or they are sooooooooooo stupid they deserve to be framed. Everything else is irrelevant and smoke screens, I THINK:::))))))

The move by the 2 nuts from California Dud and Sluts Wannabe Indians is the oldest con move in the world. They sought out Paulus and Anita, learned their habits, and stationed themselves to where they would run into them. They then approached and hooked them when they showed them sympathy, told them they knew they were victims, and said the words Anita and Paulus were craving to hear, I know Joran didn't do it. Scam accomplished.

[Observer]

This is interesting..lol!

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=1000576387

[klaasend]

This is interesting..lol!

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=1000576387

 

[msmarple]

Posted on FP by Margaret Wever:


I have remained professional throughout the coverage of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, since The News in the afternoon, and Diario the next morning published that she had been missing. What I write here is my personal opinion, not that of neither The News, nor the Associated Press, but I have had it with all these people who claim to know that Natalee Holloway is dead and have all kinds of stories, accusing many people in their poorly defined, unsupported and unproven conspiracy theories. Natalee’s disappearance is indeed a mystery and until someone shows up with real proof, people should be careful with who they publicly point fingers at, especially Beth. Maybe people have seen her laugh or have a drink or trying to enjoy dinner, but have you also seen the extreme and fast weight loss and when she broke down after a few days and when she would not talk to anyone because she simply was exhausted and too tired and grieving? There are more sides to a story and I know that justice – whenever it does and whatever comes out of this, will prevail!
And please DAN and KELLY (I was hoping to have an “interview” with you, but alas you cancelled wtih Canal 90): IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IN PEOPLE HAVING LIVING SOULS… HOW CAN YOU BE SO EXCEPTIONALLY CRUEL AND SELFISH AS TO NOT SAY WHERE NATALEE’S BODY IS OR REMAINS ARE TO GIVE HER LOVED ONES, THOSE WHO LOVE HER AND THOSE WHO HAVE COME TO LOVE HER, THE CHANCE TO GIVE HER A DIGNIFIED FUNERAL AND A DECENT, WORTHY GRAVE AND HELP HER SOUL ON ITS WAY TO PEACE!!!
“I have said what I had to say, and this is hopefully the first and last time I will voice my personal opinion.

There is a Margaret Wever who is a stringer for Associated Press. (Not sure if the spelling of "Wever" is the same.) I've seen her byline many times on AP stories.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Posted on FP by Margaret Wever:


I have remained professional throughout the coverage of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, since The News in the afternoon, and Diario the next morning published that she had been missing. What I write here is my personal opinion, not that of neither The News, nor the Associated Press, but I have had it with all these people who claim to know that Natalee Holloway is dead and have all kinds of stories, accusing many people in their poorly defined, unsupported and unproven conspiracy theories. Natalee’s disappearance is indeed a mystery and until someone shows up with real proof, people should be careful with who they publicly point fingers at, especially Beth. Maybe people have seen her laugh or have a drink or trying to enjoy dinner, but have you also seen the extreme and fast weight loss and when she broke down after a few days and when she would not talk to anyone because she simply was exhausted and too tired and grieving? There are more sides to a story and I know that justice – whenever it does and whatever comes out of this, will prevail!
And please DAN and KELLY (I was hoping to have an “interview” with you, but alas you cancelled wtih Canal 90): IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IN PEOPLE HAVING LIVING SOULS… HOW CAN YOU BE SO EXCEPTIONALLY CRUEL AND SELFISH AS TO NOT SAY WHERE NATALEE’S BODY IS OR REMAINS ARE TO GIVE HER LOVED ONES, THOSE WHO LOVE HER AND THOSE WHO HAVE COME TO LOVE HER, THE CHANCE TO GIVE HER A DIGNIFIED FUNERAL AND A DECENT, WORTHY GRAVE AND HELP HER SOUL ON ITS WAY TO PEACE!!!
“I have said what I had to say, and this is hopefully the first and last time I will voice my personal opinion.

There is a Margaret Wever who is a stringer for Associated Press. (Not sure if the spelling of "Wever" is the same.) I've seen her byline many times on AP stories.

That's who I thought of when I read that post...who knows?

[msmarple]

Upcoming Travel Shows

* * *
Boston - Feb. 22-24 2008 
Seaport World Trade Center

"The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions."

http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/

* * *

New York - Feb 29-Mar 2 2008
Jacob K. Javits Convention Center

http://www.nyttravelshow.com/

* * *

SM kooolkatt provides Tshirts or sweatshirts for those who stand up for Natalee at these shows.

Tote bags with flyers enclosed, and banners, signs etc., also are provided.

We need people to help spead the word at these shows. Lacking your physical attendance, $$ donations are welcome to help with the flyers, signs, permit fees, etc. (I think help with gas money also is available.)

Folks in New England really do look forward to a respite from winter, and the Caribbean is a relatively quick destination for them. We need to make sure they know just what Aruba offers to unsuspecting tourists.

For information on how to help, contact SM Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com


SM has a thread re. the travel shows -- it's called Tourism Trade Show Listing. This link is to the current page:
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1003.240
 
If you're considering participating, it would be good to read the whole thread - I think it's about 13 pages. Good tips, photos from previous shows, etc.

[klaasend]

FWIW - I really can't tell you which Margaret Wever it is

[msmarple]

FWIW - I really can't tell you which Margaret Wever it is

Oh, I know - wouldn't expect you to, anyway.

"The News" she mentioned in that post might be The Birmingham News.

Just thought it was interesting. That name "Wever" keeps on coming.

[Magnolia]

FWIW - I really can't tell you which Margaret Wever it is

I believe that Margaret Wever writes for the Birmingham News.  Her reports
on the Natalee Holloway case have been frequently picked up by AP.

[Observer]

Picture of Lorenzo we have not seen before.

6-23-07 Solo Di Pueblo Newspaper
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=142

[klaasend]

Picture of Lorenzo we have not seen before.

6-23-07 Solo Di Pueblo Newspaper

Looks even more like a Sloot there.  Let me compare 

[sirensong]

I see Aruba had another suicide today,I don't know the statistics but the numbers must be off the charts compared to countries/cities its size. Aruba must have over taken Japan as the suicide capitol of the world by now. I know the 3-4 suicides I looked into were very suspicious especially the Reporter and Cameraman who hung themselves 2 weeks a part 

Don't know if this is a true  comparison, because  of the years involved, but
I just read that Aruba is about the size  in population as Washington D.C., but don't  remember where! 

TABLE 1. Number and rate * of suicides +, by region and state -- United States,
1990-1994
==================================================================================
Region/State             No. deaths   Crude rate   Adjusted rate&     (95% CI@)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Northeast
Connecticut                   1,553          9.5              8.3   ( 7.9- 8.7)
Maine                           838         13.6             11.3   (10.5-12.1)
Massachusetts                 2,530          8.4              7.7   ( 7.4- 8.0)
New Hampshire                   697         12.5             NC**            NC
New Jersey                    2,729          7.0              6.8   ( 6.5- 7.1)
New York                      7,551          8.4              7.6   ( 7.4- 7.
Pennsylvania                  6,976         11.6             11.0   (10.7-11.3)
Rhode Island                    454          9.1              8.9   ( 8.1- 9.7)
Vermont                         406         14.2             11.4   (10.3-12.5)
Total                        23,734          9.3              8.6   ( 8.5- 8.7)

Midwest
Illinois                      5,717          9.9              9.8   ( 9.5-10.1)
Indiana                       3,575         12.7             12.0   (11.6-12.4)
Iowa                          1,598         11.4             10.8   (10.3-11.3)
Kansas                        1,546         12.3             11.4   (10.8-12.0)
Michigan                      5,403         11.5             11.0   (10.7-11.3)
Minnesota                     2,562         11.5             11.1   (10.7-11.5)
Missouri                      3,448         13.3             12.6   (12.2-13.0)
Nebraska                        958         12.0             11.4   (10.7-12.1)
North Dakota                    371         11.7             10.2   ( 9.1-11.3)
Ohio                          5,875         10.7             10.1   ( 9.8-10.4)
South Dakota                    479         13.5             12.2   (11.1-13.3)
Wisconsin                     2,960         11.9             11.3   (10.9-11.7)
Total                        34,492         11.4             10.9   (10.8-11.0)

South
Alabama                       2,659         12.9             13.0   (12.5-13.5)
Arkansas                      1,550         12.9             12.3   (11.7-12.9)
Delaware                        421         12.2             11.7   (10.6-12.
District of Columbia            177          6.0              6.7   ( 5.7- 7.7)
Florida                      10,413         15.4             14.3   (14.0-14.6)
Georgia                       4,275         12.6             13.2   (12.8-13.6)
Kentucky                      2,572         13.7             12.5   (12.0-13.0)
Louisiana                     2,727         12.8               NC            NC
Maryland                      2,433          9.9              9.9   ( 9.5-10.3)
Mississippi                   1,589         12.1             13.4   (12.7-14.1)
North Carolina                4,319         12.6             12.4   (12.0-12.
Oklahoma                      2,248         14.0               NC            NC
South Carolina                2,278         12.7             13.4   (12.8-14.0)
Tennessee                     3,298         13.1             12.5   (12.1-12.9)
Texas                        11,316         12.8             14.2   (13.9-14.5)
Virginia                      4,008         12.6             12.3   (11.9-12.7)
West Virginia                 1,226         13.6             12.3   (11.6-13.0)
Total                        57,509         13.1             13.1   (13.0-13.2)

West
Alaska                          451         15.5             11.6   (10.5-12.7)
Arizona                       3,495         18.1             18.0   (17.4-18.6)
California                   18,734         12.2             13.8   (13.6-14.0)
Colorado                      2,936         16.9             16.3   (15.7-16.9)
Hawaii                          619         10.8             11.3   (10.4-12.2)
Idaho                           915         17.1             16.6   (15.5-17.7)
Montana                         794         19.2             18.6   (17.3-19.9)
Nevada                        1,606         24.1             22.2   (21.1-23.3)
New Mexico                    1,459         18.4             18.5   (17.5-19.5)
Oregon                        2,367         15.9             14.8   (14.2-15.4)
Utah                          1,357         15.0             15.7   (14.9-16.5)
Washington                    3,512         13.7             12.7   (12.3-13.1)
Wyoming                         464         20.0             19.8   (18.0-21.6)
Total                        38,709         14.1             14.7   (14.6-14.
Total                       154,444         12.0             11.8   (11.7-11.9)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Per 100,000 population.
+  International Classification of Diseases, Ninth Revision, codes E950-E959.
&  Adjusted to the age, sex, and race/Hispanic ethnicity of the 1980 U.S.
   population.
@  Confidence interval.
** Not calculated because of incomplete reporting.
================================================================================



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/00049117.htm

[klaasend]

Picture of Lorenzo we have not seen before.

6-23-07 Solo Di Pueblo Newspaper
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=142

Looks even more like a Sloot there.  Let me compare 

I think there may be a better Joran photo to compare with but I'm too tired to look right now.

[Observer]

Sirensong: I think I read that 1.3% of deaths in America are by suicide. I wonder what it is on One Happy Island? Seems to be one of the few places in the world where they have more suicides than murders.

Klaas:That is the first picture I have seen where I think LVR resembles PVDS. I didn't really see it before except for the hairline.

[Observer]

Here's a familiar face involved in the pot bust's with LVR that wasnt shown in the other newspapers.

Edwin "Papito" Commencia
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=138