Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[Lala'sMom]

The problem with this post of Gabe's is that Gabe refers to morning.  I think that was simply an error by Gabe but it confuses the matter because nobody is claiming Beth and Jug arrived in the morning.

And from Gabe Leo posted at SM FP January 19, 2008:

....I can say though that their story about Twitty arriving in the morning and not in the night is not true, because I personally know those who were with Twitty and company when they arrived that night.

Maybe he is challenged by the whole A.M. and P.M. thing? 

From Beth's book...Loving Natalee:
"It's around eleven o'clock on Memorial Monday night when the island comes into full view........It looks and feels like we're approaching Atlanta at night..."

[bleachedblack]

Here is what I think has happen:

From the casino Joran and the Kalpoes went to C&C while the Casino worker (#5) was left working, #5 tried to off him self with an other worker, then leave the casino to go to this Party place. (the house)

#5 call Joran to meet at this party place. At the party place Natalee overdose on #5, Joran Waited outside at the Party Place gate outside and when the gates open, #5 come out and handed the body of Natalee to Joran. The Kalpoes where there since they have follows Joran from C&C and went waithing at the Dutch own Apartment with the Pool near Joran Home for Joran and the girl to return.

Joran drove to the Pool Apartment and it is here that they plan what to do with the body. meanwhile at the the pool they waited for the girl to come Back to life (but she never retain a heartbeat).

The Apartment in question with the pool is just 5 min walk from Jorans his house.

Around the pool they deside to plan what to do and here is where Joran got cought in this web.

Question why does he lied for this person? Who is this Casino Worker? If he asked to get off that night from work, then he imust be a Dealer Worker or a Supervisor, Managers do not have to request off.

After this Joran at this time desided to despose of the body in Montana body of water.

And here is where he commided a crime with the help of the Kalpoes.

This is my enterpretacion from the Simian post.

Hmmmm interesting post Caps. As you post the questions in your interpretation of  events the night Natalee disappeared I think it is likely you well know the answers to at least one of the questions.

Question why does he lied for this person? Who is this Casino Worker? If he asked to get off that night from work, then he imust be a Dealer Worker or a Supervisor, Managers do not have to request off.

Answer:Guido Wever
          Ah but you already knew this...........

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas...question in Shango thread...please.  Glad you had a good time yesterday...broke but happy....that's always a fun feeling.  ( I have lost my rolling eye smiley again...so....)

[Lala'sMom]

Hi BB! So Guido was the 5th suspect.  Wow!  He hosted a party and had an alibi. He met Natalee two days before in the casino and struck up a relationship with her and even became her boyfriend.  Now, that is a novel idea...it wasn't Joran or the Kalpoes...it was Guido.  Sorry, I am being sarcastic today...you guys will just have to excuse my bad manners.

[Tamikosmom]

This was posted by MF at RU in Dutch:

Babel Fish Translation   

In English:
Characteristic: 073/2008 Very dear Ms, As a result of several recent press publication in relation to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, itself accustomed Ms Julia Renfro, has present to me you, however, confessed. On the basis of very exhaustive police force research I can communicate you that Ms Renfro has been never commented as a verdachte in this research and until now reason also absolutely no has been that to do, on the contrary. Police force and judicial authorities, after exhaustive research, has not proven to be of only involvement of Ms Renfro, anyhow, at the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Every suggestion in another direction does not rely on facts. It seemed me correctly you communicate this. I should indicate with respect to, however, on fact-based conclusions of Public Prosecution Service on the text of my press conference as given on 20 December 2008. Yours sincerely, Mr. H. F. mos chief public prosecutor
 

Thank you.

[BTgirl]

I'm not very good at reading Babelfish translations. 

Could someone help me out with this please? Is it basically a letter from Hans Mos to someone saying that Julia Renfro has never been a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee? Did anyone ever think Julia was directly involved in her disappearance? The cover up maybe, but I don't think I've ever heard a suggestion regarding her disappearance.

[Lala'sMom]

I'm not very good at reading Babelfish translations. 

Could someone help me out with this please? Is it basically a letter from Hans Mos to someone saying that Julia Renfro has never been a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee? Did anyone ever think Julia was directly involved in her disappearance? The cover up maybe, but I don't think I've ever heard a suggestion regarding her disappearance.

That is interesting...wonder why that even came up at all?

[klaasend]

I'm not very good at reading Babelfish translations. 

Could someone help me out with this please? Is it basically a letter from Hans Mos to someone saying that Julia Renfro has never been a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee? Did anyone ever think Julia was directly involved in her disappearance? The cover up maybe, but I don't think I've ever heard a suggestion regarding her disappearance.

That is interesting...wonder why that even came up at all?

The psychic, Kelly and Castillo accused Julia of being involved in some way by hiding information she knew.

MF's post from Hans Mos appears to be Mos saying the psychics are FOS.

[ala_gunslinger]

Capslock - TES did search the moko/pond near the Sloot house and if I'm not mistaken the dogs did get a hit but for some reason they had to leave.  Could be they were diverted elsewhere?

If memory serves...

Wasn't this where they were pelted by rocks and other debri by the locals?

[MumInOhio]

Capslock - TES did search the moko/pond near the Sloot house and if I'm not mistaken the dogs did get a hit but for some reason they had to leave.  Could be they were diverted elsewhere?

If memory serves...

Wasn't this where they were pelted by rocks and other debri by the locals?

I remember about the trash...there are some pics and posts about it in this LCD.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1862.760

[BTgirl]

I'm not very good at reading Babelfish translations. 

Could someone help me out with this please? Is it basically a letter from Hans Mos to someone saying that Julia Renfro has never been a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee? Did anyone ever think Julia was directly involved in her disappearance? The cover up maybe, but I don't think I've ever heard a suggestion regarding her disappearance.

That is interesting...wonder why that even came up at all?

The psychic, Kelly and Castillo accused Julia of being involved in some way by hiding information she knew.

MF's post from Hans Mos appears to be Mos saying the psychics are FOS.

Ahhhh....thanks, Klaas. Now it makes sense.

[Lala'sMom]

So I wasn't thinking straight. Gosh!  Give me a break.  Why would anyone think Julia was involved in anything sinister? She's such a  good witch...oh sorry...that would be Glenda. 

[wreck]

LMAO!!
They've completely turned on Julia -- their BIGGEST ally in this whole affair. Who are they going to "champion" now???????????????

[Tamikosmom]

This was posted by MF at RU in Dutch:

Babel Fish Translation   

In English:
Characteristic: 073/2008 Very dear Ms, As a result of several recent press publication in relation to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, itself accustomed Ms Julia Renfro, has present to me you, however, confessed. On the basis of very exhaustive police force research I can communicate you that Ms Renfro has been never commented as a verdachte in this research and until now reason also absolutely no has been that to do, on the contrary. Police force and judicial authorities, after exhaustive research, has not proven to be of only involvement of Ms Renfro, anyhow, at the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Every suggestion in another direction does not rely on facts. It seemed me correctly you communicate this. I should indicate with respect to, however, on fact-based conclusions of Public Prosecution Service on the text of my press conference as given on 20 December 2008. Yours sincerely, Mr. H. F. mos chief public prosecutor
 

Thank you.

It appears that Hans Mos can disregard the portion of the Daniel's  so-called press conference that pertains to Julia Renfro but ... the prosecutor remains silent in regards to vile accusations that were directed against Beth and Jug.

Hey ... either the "findings of Castillo and Young are credible or they are not.  As usual ... when it comes to Natalee's family ... there is definitely an Aruban double standard.

Janet

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Amigoe
January 17, 2008

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amigoe.com%2Fartman%2Fpublish%2Fartikel_38773.php

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329756#msg329756

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php

[dennisintn]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=645&Itemid=31

this is today's diairio editorial, i hope someone can translate, decode, extrapolate, and tell us what the hell it says.
dennisintn

[klaasend]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=645&Itemid=31

this is today's diairio editorial, i hope someone can translate, decode, extrapolate, and tell us what the hell it says.
dennisintn

I just emailed it to Red to see if Jossy will translate this editorial in full for us. 

[msmarple]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=645&Itemid=31

this is today's diairio editorial, i hope someone can translate, decode, extrapolate, and tell us what the hell it says.
dennisintn

I just emailed it to Red to see if Jossy will translate this editorial in full for us. 

Here's what it says:

NATALEE…Y E FARSANTENAN!       
Tuesday, 22 January 2008 

Ta tempo pa e farsantenenan cu ta pulula manera musca entorno e caso lamentable di Natalee desentende nan mes di dje, y lague keda circumscribi na loke tin para den e procesverbaalnan policial. Fuera di nan, ken cu ta por specula, pretende di papia cu spirito, scucha voznan di ultratumba, enfin, bin cu delaster ridiculez posible. Esnan cu kier sa loke a pasa cu Natalee mester lesa tur e procesverbaalnan cu e intergadornan a traha despues di a scucha cada un di e tres sospechosonan, ademas di e tata di Joran y e cantidad di testigonan di interes pa polis.

Trece spiritistanan estilo Yomanda, o Negro Felipe, o Maria Lionza ta propio di hendenan cu ta biba den un mundo aleha di realidad. Y pa esnan cu no sa, un “spiritista” ta un persona cu ta kere den e doctrina cu e spirito di e mortonan por drenta den comunciacion cu e bibonan. Segun mi por a compronde, Rudy Croes parce di ta un creyente di tal doctrina.

E realidad di e caso ta, sinembargo, cu Natalee a desaparece ora cu e tabata den compania di tres sospechoso: Joran, Deepak y Satish! Punto! Ningun otro persona a bin padilanti pa bisa cu e sa concretamente kico a pasa cu e mucha muher, y no tabata tin ni un solo persona durante mas di dos aña y mey desde su desaparicion cu a constata cu evidencia irefutable cu e sa kico a pasa cu Natalee, ni unda e of su restonan ta. Di cu e por ta bibo? E ta un posibilidad cu ta sigui existi mientras no haya algun evidencia concreto cu e ta morto, pero mayoria di nos cu conoce e pormenornan di e caso ta convenci cu e mucha no ta na bida mas.

Mi a tende y lesa tanto disparate ultimamente cu tin biaha mi ta puntra mi mes si pa ocupa un puesto di Ministro e unico credencial cu bo tin mester ta un diploma den bobedad. Pa e Ministro di Husticia aparece na television den un di su arankenan emocional pasobra dos “spiritista” a bin cu un tou di invento tocante Natalee, mi no por pensa riba nada otro sino cu e ta indicativo di e nivel di inteligencia cu ta domina den e gobierno actual. Mi ta compronde e frustracion di e mandatarionan den ausencia di un solucion di e caso, pero loke mi no por compronde ni ta acepta tampoco ta e intento constante di Gobierno pa purba desvia atencion di e berdadero sospechosonan, navegando den e mundo di spiritonan cu e farsantenan cu un di nan mes a trece.

Lagami pone algun punto riba e “i” nan, pa despeha e dudanan cu e conversadornan cu ultratumba lo a trece padilanti:
1. Natalee no tabata na estado! No tin ningun constancia medico na Merca cu ta confirma cu e tabata embaraza! Al contrario, su docter na Alabama cu tabata haci su examennan medico anual rutinario a samine poco prome cu el a bin Aruba y no a constata ningun clase di embarazo!
2. Natalee no tabata usa droga! Nunca el a ingresa den un clinica pa rehabilitacion! Bisa lo contrario ta propio di hendenan cu no ta tuma e molester di check cu e profesionalnan di medicina den su comunidad pa haya sa e berdad! Nos si a hacie!
3. Natalee nunca a bay for di cas pa ningun motibo! E storianan cu e lo a huy for di su hogar den pasado ta otro invento di mentenan fertil of enfermo, cazadornan di sensacionalismo cu den ausencia di confirmacion, ta invente. E cuartelnan di polis consulta unda e tabata biba no tin ningun clase di evidencia cu e lo a bay for di cas den cualke ocasion!

Awor, ban mira ki clase di persona Natalee tabata di berdad. E tabata un studiante cu tabata saca puro “A” na school, o sea e ekivalente di un averahe di 10 den nos sistema! E tabata loke nan ta yama un “straight A student”! E no tabata anda cu amiganan of amigonan promiscuo. E tabata bay atende misa regulamente cu un of e otro di su mayornan biologico. E tabata activo riba tereno social den su comunidad. E tabata un mucha muher serio cu bista riba su futuro, cu e kier a dedica na e practica di medicina. Tur esaki a ser confirma na nos pa e profesionalnan cu tabata atende!
Kico a pase na Aruba? Di con el a desvia di e perfil anterior pa drenta un auto cu tres persona cu e no tabata conoce a fondo? Demasiado bebida, of el a ser droga? Un bartender di e club unda e tabata e anochi fatal ey a constata cu dos di e tres sospechosonan mester a practicamente lastre hiba e auto pasobra e tabata tambaleando. Otro testigonan a confirma cu no ta nada straño cu nan lo a pone un droga den un di su bebidanan pa suaviza su entrega. Sea loke sea a debilita su defensanan e anochi ey, ta e tres sospechosnan cu tabata cune por suminstra nos cu e contestanan adecuado. Como cu mi no tin e custumbra di specula, mi no ta bay hacie awor tampoco.

Lo unico cu mi kier a pone na cla ta cu e farsantenan cu ta dialoga cu spirito no tin bida cerca mi, pasobra mi no ta kere den e ficcion di contactonan cu ultratumba. Y mi ta bise sin ningun cinismo, pero guia, no pa “Guiding Light”, sino pa e luz di un berdad pragmatico!

Online Pap translation:

natalee…y the farsantenan!
tuesday, 22 january 2008

is time for her farsantenenan cu is pulula as musca entorno the caso lamentable of natalee desentende they self of dje, y lague stay circumscribi at thing have stop in the procesverbaalnan policial. fuera of they, that cu is can specula, pretende of talk cu ghost, listen voznan of ultratumba, enfin, come cu last ridiculez posible. esnan cu wanted know thing owing to happen cu natalee have to read all the procesverbaalnan cu the intergadornan owing to work after of owing to listen cada one of the three sospechosonan, apart from the father of joran y the cantidad of testigonan of interest for police.

trece spiritistanan style yomanda, or negro felipe, or maria lionza is own of hendenan cu live in one world aleha of realidad. y for esnan cu not know, one “spiritista” is one person cu is believe in the doctrina cu the ghost of the mortonan can enter in comunciacion cu the bibonan. according my can owing to compronde, rudy croes seems of is one creyente of such doctrina.

the realidad of the caso is, sinembargo, cu natalee owing to desaparece hour cu the was in compania of three sospechoso: joran, deepak y satish! sharp! none another person owing to come front for tell cu the know concretamente kico owing to happen cu the child muher, y not was have neither one sun person during more of two year y mey by his desaparicion cu owing to constata cu evidencia irefutable cu the know kico owing to happen cu natalee, neither where the or his restonan is. of cu the can is bibo? the is one posibilidad cu is follow existi while not achieve some evidencia concreto cu the is dead, but majority of we cu conoce the pormenornan of the caso is convenci cu the child do not at life more.

i have hear y read tanto disparate ultimamente cu have trip i am ask about my self if for ocupa one function of ministro the unique credencial cu do you have have to is one diploma in bobedad. for her ministro of husticia aparece at television in one of his arankenan emocional because two “spiritista” owing to come cu one tou of invento tocante natalee, my not can think on nothing another but cu the is indicativo of the level of inteligencia cu is domina in the gobierno actual. i am compronde the frustracion of the mandatarionan in ausencia of one solucion of the caso, but thing my not can compronde neither is acepta niether is the attempt constante of gobierno for try desvia atencion of the berdadero sospechosonan, navegando in the world of spiritonan cu the farsantenan cu one of they self owing to trece.

lagami place some sharp on the “i” they, for despeha the dudanan cu the conversadornan cu ultratumba will owing to trece padilanti:

1. natalee not was pregnant! not have none constancia medico at merca cu is confirma cu the was embaraza! al contrario, his docter at alabama cu was haci his examennan medico annual rutinario owing to samine some first cu past owing to come aruba y not owing to constata none clase of embarazo!

2. natalee not was using drugs! never past owing to ingresa in one clinica for rehabilitacion! tell will contrario is own of hendenan cu do not take the molester of check cu the profesionalnan of medicina in his comunidad for achieve know the berdad! we if owing to hacie!

3. natalee never owing to bay for of cas for none motibo! the storianan cu the will owing to huy for of his hogar in pasado is another invento of mentenan fertil or patient, cazadornan of sensacionalismo cu in ausencia of confirmacion, is invente. the cuartelnan of police consulta where the was live not have none clase of evidencia cu the will owing to bay for of cas in cualke ocasion!

now, as see what clase of person natalee was of berdad. the was one student cu was saca clean “a” at school, or as the ekivalente of one averahe of 10 in we sistema! the was thing they're calling one “straight owing to student”! the not was anda cu amiganan or amigonan promiscuo. the was bay atende catholic regulamente cu one or the another of his parents biologico. the was activo on territory social in his comunidad. the was one child muher earnest cu view on his future, cu the wanted owing to dedica at the practica of medicina. all this owing to being confirma at we for her profesionalnan cu was atende!

kico owing to pase at aruba? of con past owing to desvia of the perfil anterior for enter one car cu three person cu the not was conoce owing to fondo? demasiado beverage, or past owing to being drugs? one bartender of the club where the was the night fateful ey owing to constata cu two of the three sospechosonan have to owing to practicamente lastre take away the car because the was tambaleando. another testigonan owing to confirma cu do not nothing odd cu they will owing to place one drugs in one of his bebidanan for suaviza his entrega. as thing as owing to debilita his defensanan the night ey, is the three sospechosnan cu was cune can suminstra we cu the contestanan adecuado. because; cu my not have the custumbra of specula, my do not bay hacie now niether.

will unique cu my wanted owing to place at cla is cu the farsantenan cu is dialoga cu ghost not have life close my, because my do not believe in the ficcion of contactonan cu ultratumba. y i am bise without none cinismo, but guia, not for “guiding light”, but for her luz of one berdad pragmatico!

[dennisintn]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=645&Itemid=31

this is today's diairio editorial, i hope someone can translate, decode, extrapolate, and tell us what the hell it says.
dennisintn

I just emailed it to Red to see if Jossy will translate this editorial in full for us. 

thanks, klaas.  you're a class act. on julia not being "verdachte" in mos' letter.  that means, i think, that she was never a suspect in anything.  i'm not sure it means that they haven't taken statements from her about this case. 
dennisintn

[Dayhiker]

It appears that Hans Mos can disregard the portion of the Daniel's  so-called press conference that pertains to Julia Renfro but ... the prosecutor remains silent in regards to vile accusations that were directed against Beth and Jug.

Hey ... either the "findings of Castillo and Young are credible or they are not.  As usual ... when it comes to Natalee's family ... there is definitely an Aruban double standard.

Janet

++++++++++

That is the story of the Natalee Holloway case wrapped up in one tidy package. The Van der Sloots and their friends get special treatment, the victim and her family get the shaft.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's a Dutch thing. They have a prosensity for protecting their own that far exceeds justice or logic.

HAN MOS SUCKS.

[friend of monkeys]

Klass  - ty for update on Persistence.

Tyler---love the red bikini (and cupid)

keep the faith