Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[Nut44x4]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=645&Itemid=31

this is today's diairio editorial, i hope someone can translate, decode, extrapolate, and tell us what the hell it says.
dennisintn

I just emailed it to Red to see if Jossy will translate this editorial in full for us. 

thanks, klaas.  you're a class act. on julia not being "verdachte" in mos' letter.  that means, i think, that she was never a suspect in anything.  i'm not sure it means that they haven't taken statements from her about this case. 
dennisintn

http://www.woxikon.com/dut/verdachte.php

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verdachte

[dennisintn]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=645&Itemid=31

this is today's diairio editorial, i hope someone can translate, decode, extrapolate, and tell us what the hell it says.
dennisintn

I just emailed it to Red to see if Jossy will translate this editorial in full for us. 

thanks, klaas.  you're a class act. on julia not being "verdachte" in mos' letter.  that means, i think, that she was never a suspect in anything.  i'm not sure it means that they haven't taken statements from her about this case. 
dennisintn

http://www.woxikon.com/dut/verdachte.php

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verdachte

thanks nut, so she's definitely not been questioned as a suspect but the question had been, from the way i understand it, has julia given a statement (as a witness) to a.l.e.
he didn't answer the question.  he merely made a statement about something else.
dennisintn

[crazybabyborg]

I've had more success looking up German translations than any other when it comes to these words. verdachte is listed in the German to English online dictionaries. I'm having trouble figuring out which meaning though. It ranges from "smelling a rat" to "suspicion". Seriously..........try the word in this link:

http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/

[Tamikosmom]

It appears that Hans Mos can disregard the portion of the Daniel's  so-called press conference that pertains to Julia Renfro but ... the prosecutor remains silent in regards to vile accusations that were directed against Beth and Jug.

Hey ... either the "findings of Castillo and Young are credible or they are not.  As usual ... when it comes to Natalee's family ... there is definitely an Aruban double standard.

Janet

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That is the story of the Natalee Holloway case wrapped up in one tidy package. The Van der Sloots and their friends get special treatment, the victim and her family get the shaft.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's a Dutch thing. They have a prosensity for protecting their own that far exceeds justice or logic.

HAN MOS SUCKS.

Dayhiker ... I wonder what "other story" Anita would like to see investigated.  It appears to me to be the Young and Castillo story.  It is ironic ... Anita's words mimic Rudy Croes' words ... THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY.

Janet

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JANUARY 11, 2008

Translation by EURobert on the front page of SM:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2522.msg328035;topicseen#msg328035

Anita: (Edited) We know people were seen at the beach, her room-card was used, there are people who claim they have seen Natalee the day after she went missing…

Witt.: There’s a statement by a cashier who says she first saw Natalee with a man who a short time later she saw without the girl. Has there been no proper investigation into these facts?

Paulus: Well it’s even stronger… There is a videorecording supposedly of Natalee but we untill now haven’t had access to that video.

Anita: (Edited) That’s a video of the entrance of the Holliday inn… And there was something strange with the first posters that Beth Twitty hung up. It read “Little Hoody please call Big Hoody” which suggests Natalee ran away. Anyway, I was under the impression that there was another story that I gladly would have seen investigated.

<snipped>

Anita: I would want that the investigation would continue… Maybe Peter can help with that… Maybe we can talk after the show… Uuhhmm… I would as well very much would see an investigation into the investigation… I don’t know if we can have that hope but that… As long as this case isn’t solved all concerned will stay under enormous pressure and Joran will continually be pointed at (Edited).

Witt.: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I… don’t know. I have for a very long time kept believing she was still alive and I have being played information in my hands that supports that a.o. from Renée Gielen (Edited). I would so gladly see that the other side of the story was shown as well.


Amigoe
January 17, 2008

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.


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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php

[ldstlou]

Klaas...sending you an e-mail

[ldstlou]

    lol I really like this guy!! Reminds me of how my day went today!!!! 

[private eye]

Hi BB! So Guido was the 5th suspect.  Wow!  He hosted a party and had an alibi. He met Natalee two days before in the casino and struck up a relationship with her and even became her boyfriend.  Now, that is a novel idea...it wasn't Joran or the Kalpoes...it was Guido.  Sorry, I am being sarcastic today...you guys will just have to excuse my bad manners.

So Joran has taken all of this abuse to protect a friend, if so he is actually a hell of a guy!! And the gay boy, fell so hard in love and lust with Natalee that he killed her in a rage of jealous anger because she was with his best friend/ex lover, who now has stood silent despite being incarcerated for 100 days taking the blame for him. Or did he kill her because he was so jealous of his lover, Joran?

[private eye]

Amigo and Its Readers

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You have no idea what pain and suffering is if you think for one minute that you and your fellow buffoons have been victimized by Beth. Your country needs to hire an expert who can give all of your citizens and the island's supporters a course of civilization and the art of decency. Until that time, your country should be isolated as the leper colonies were and left to your incestuous in breeding program that has populated your country creating the simpletons and idiots that you all appear to be. Oh, and once you are squarely quarantined, please roll out the violence and do the world a favor, exterminate yourselves.

Or simply get your heads out of your asses and act right for a change!!!!!!!!!

[greeneyedlady]

private eye  I have had those thoughts too, about maybe Guild being jealous of Joran or K2. That would be a reason for the heavy battery charge he got when arrested in Holland.

[private eye]

private eye  I have had those thoughts too, about maybe Guild being jealous of Joran or K2. That would be a reason for the heavy battery charge he got when arrested in Holland.

I had never thought about it till I wrote the post, and it seemed a little obvious, except, Joran would never take the heat for him:)

[Lala'sMom]

private eye  I have had those thoughts too, about maybe Guild being jealous of Joran or K2. That would be a reason for the heavy battery charge he got when arrested in Holland.

I had never thought about it till I wrote the post, and it seemed a little obvious, except, Joran would never take the heat for him:)

Only through fear of death would Joran do anything for anyone...his own family included.  He is not one to take the fall for anyone...he's too narcissistic. He is willing to toss anyone under the bus.

[robots]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

[klaasend]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

Yes 

[Magnolia]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

Yes....he is the one who worked at the casino, sold his car and fled to NL
 about a week after Natalee disappeared.

[MumInOhio]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=645&Itemid=31

this is today's diairio editorial, i hope someone can translate, decode, extrapolate, and tell us what the hell it says.
dennisintn

I just emailed it to Red to see if Jossy will translate this editorial in full for us. 

thanks, klaas.  you're a class act. on julia not being "verdachte" in mos' letter.  that means, i think, that she was never a suspect in anything.  i'm not sure it means that they haven't taken statements from her about this case. 
dennisintn

http://www.woxikon.com/dut/verdachte.php

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verdachte

thanks nut, so she's definitely not been questioned as a suspect but the question had been, from the way i understand it, has julia given a statement (as a witness) to a.l.e.
he didn't answer the question.  he merely made a statement about something else.
dennisintn

Per the Dr. Phil Discovery Log Timeline, Julia Renfro was interviewed on 6/30/2005 at 13.45.

Robots...yes

[robots]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

Yes 

ok

thank you, you are the best

was he also the card dealer ?

[robots]

thank you to all

i knew the answers - just wanted to make sure you all were not sleeping

 


guido was a cheater- that is where joran was making his money

guido has his hands all over this

[San]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

Yes 

ok

thank you, you are the best

was he also the card dealer ?

He was also the one with the Heavy Battery charge.

[robots]

guido and joran were going to get married - in guido's eyes

[dennisintn]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

oh, yes.  purported to be the most expensive lawyer in holland.
dennisintn