Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[texasmom]

Amigo and Its Readers

[/b]

You have no idea what pain and suffering is if you think for one minute that you and your fellow buffoons have been victimized by Beth. Your country needs to hire an expert who can give all of your citizens and the island's supporters a course of civilization and the art of decency. Until that time, your country should be isolated as the leper colonies were and left to your incestuous in breeding program that has populated your country creating the simpletons and idiots that you all appear to be. Oh, and once you are squarely quarantined, please roll out the violence and do the world a favor, exterminate yourselves.

Or simply get your heads out of your asses and act right for a change!!!!!!!!!

   GREAT POST! 

But you know, it is a horrible situation that defines that as a great posts:(  I always lile to give people options:)

That's what made it GREAT to me PI!  (1) If we even CONSIDER that the latest scenario of a "brokeback love triangle" is the root of this entire case (2) If we remember that the search of the pond near the VDS home was hindered by the LOCALS among other things (I don't think this area was ever fully cleared, correct me if I'm wrong...Do you recall the locals interfering in any other area?  Did they know something?)  (3)Along with the knowledge of all of the absolutely VILE things that have been said about family of Natalee, especially Beth and Jug to distract from the TRUTH, I think you were on the money as to the options they should have to be considered CIVILIZED.  Not that I in any way believe that the most sensible of those options would be chosen considering the paths they have taken in the past two and a half years! 

I read this today and it is so true...
FROM:  Kate Nowak's Heartfelt Blessings kate@mayyoubeblessed.com
Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:35 PM

The Paths We Create

"As a single footstep will not make a path on the earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental path, we must think over and over the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives."

—Henry David Thoreau
Just as one wave following another forms the shoreline, so do our daily actions and thoughts, repeated again and again, form the sum and substance of our lives. That's the reason affirmations work. And that's the reason it is so important that we pay attention to the dominant trend of our thinking, for those thoughts we entertain repeatedly today will shape and define our experiences tomorrow, just as surely as repeated footsteps will wear a pathway into even the firmest soil.

I hope you can understand where I was coming from... 

[Magnolia]

Posted by Glenda at RU.
Mos has confirmed that Beth arrived with the others on the McWane flight.
Did we ever doubt that she did?  Nooooooooo.


Since Jug and Julia got slammed pretty hard on Aruba by the Psychics, and well Aruba got slammed pretty hard by The Monkeys for Believing the Psychics... With a potentiallly huge slam if any real media picked it up. I'd say the only one that didn't get slammed would be the one that didn't arrive at 7:45 pm as MOS confirmed that they had proof that Beth arrived together with the others on the Mc Wayne flight.

[Observer]

Just a few days ago I posted that Guido may have left to Canada from Aruba and then to Holland. According to a Aruban and Dutch newspaper in 2006 anyway..I am still very curious about why he would go to Canada. We have seen a couple of things that are very curious from Canada like the Cartoon of Natalee-3 Days until murdered Cartoon with the shallow grave,about a week after NH dissapeared.

You may see me research Lorenzo and Mr.Pink..etc but thats because I am looking into everyone and everything that should be looked into. Guido would be very high on my list after the sloots to research,but there is nothing out there on this kid. Not only do I think Guido was with JK2 that night but I beleave he was there when something bad happened. I still believe the rumors that he offered a alibi to Joran in early June 2005 before he fled. They had to have a reason to add Heavy Battery to the suspicions when he was arrested and I still believe that both him and Joran tried to restrain Natalee while she fought the best she could to get away. We have seen both reports from his school and co workers at the casino that he had long scratches and a bruise/injuries on his face the days after Natalee dissapeared. Like most of you I think it was Joran in a raging temper and high on Xtasy that ended Natalee's life.
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I noticed the closing remarks on this video.."One report out of Aruba is Guido is considered a alibi witness for Joran"...

May 21, 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iUKXXFreaY
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The arrested boy is hot Guido Wever, he has been detained and interrogated in the Netherlands. He is Aruba moved to Canada 14 days after Natalee disappeared. He was a croupier at the Holliday Inn and Casino has previously interrogated by the Aruban police. According to his lawyer Spong, the boy suspected of "complicity in murder, grievous bodily injury and deprivation of liberty of Natalee Holloway.

      The boy lived in Aruba and went to the Mon Plaisir School. The boy is also seen in the company of Natalee. He came to school with a lot of scratches on his body. The boy was almost done with school and would continue studying in the Netherlands. He asked his parents if he was allowed to Canada earlier. He was on two weeks after finished school when he heard of his possible arrest and then fled to the Netherlands.

      The boy, according to witness testimony on May 30, 2005 have been at school with scratches and injuries on his face. He would also be part of the group who were arrested earlier.

      He was previously interrogated as a witness, 3x by the Aruban police and twice by the Dutch police.

      Gerard Spong, the boy's lawyer, told the NOS news that the suspect is a friend of Joran van der Sloot - those are certain that he Natalee was last seen. Van der Sloot says he left Holloway alone on the beach after her gezoend to have.

      (Source: Awemainta & arubadirtypolice)
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The Algemeen Dagblad will publish this morning:

      Quote:
      The Utrecht police last week a former croupier arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and murder of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. Gerard Spong, lawyer of the suspect, a span today interim measures to prevent extradition to Aruba.

      The suspect, Guido W., is a Dutchman who lived in Aruba at the time of the loss of Holloway. W. Is a tennismaatje of Joran van der Sloot and worked three months as a trainee croupier at the casino in the hotel where Holloway stayed. On May 30, when Holloway was missing only a few hours, was W. Also work. "He looked strange,''recalls a member of the Aruban casino itself.,, He came within worrisome.''

      W. Worked a few days in the casino, but was previously on a dangepland. He departed in June to Canada to study. After Holloway's disappearance is W. Several times in Aruba and the Netherlands, heard as a witness.

      Holloway came during her vacation on Aruba often in the casino. Even on the last evening that she was seen alive, she was there. They with when Van der Sloot, who still is suspected of involvement in Holloway's disappearance. But he is due to a lack of evidence on free feet. The arrest of Guido W. Took place at the request of the Public Prosecutor's Office (OM) in Aruba. The suspect is stuck in Utrecht.
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http://forum.fok.nl/topic/837319/6/50 (translated)

[crazybabyborg]

We had some photos of Guido, taken for a portfolio for modeling, didn't we?

[klaasend]

We had some photos of Guido, taken for a portfolio for modeling, didn't we?

Here is one photo that was from that modeling site from the NL:

[crazybabyborg]

I don't mean to stereotype, and I'm the first to admit that no conclusions can be made from a picture, but the pictures I remember of Guido left me "not surprised" at the speculation he was gay or bisexual.

[Observer]

Last picture I have seen on Guido is from his Hyves site. The guy to the right of Guido  looks Gay CBB 

http://wever2.hyves.nl/photos/19453304/0/8kQV/

[crazybabyborg]

Last picture I have seen on Guido is from his Hyves site. The guy to the right of Guido  looks Gay CBB 

http://wever2.hyves.nl/photos/19453304/0/8kQV/

 

[private eye]

And what was the basis of that charge? Somebody had to offer some evidence, credible or not. Except in Aruba:))))))))

You know the answer to that PI. If they arrest him he can lie all he wants and not be charged as a lying witness. Same as GVC. Compliments of Prosecutor Karin Jannsen. Who also has fled to Holland.

But what directed them to him?

[robots]

And what was the basis of that charge? Somebody had to offer some evidence, credible or not. Except in Aruba:))))))))

You know the answer to that PI. If they arrest him he can lie all he wants and not be charged as a lying witness. Same as GVC. Compliments of Prosecutor Karin Jannsen. Who also has fled to Holland.

But what directed them to him?

phone messages we are not aware of as of YET 

[private eye]

Amigo and Its Readers

[/b]

You have no idea what pain and suffering is if you think for one minute that you and your fellow buffoons have been victimized by Beth. Your country needs to hire an expert who can give all of your citizens and the island's supporters a course of civilization and the art of decency. Until that time, your country should be isolated as the leper colonies were and left to your incestuous in breeding program that has populated your country creating the simpletons and idiots that you all appear to be. Oh, and once you are squarely quarantined, please roll out the violence and do the world a favor, exterminate yourselves.

Or simply get your heads out of your asses and act right for a change!!!!!!!!!

   GREAT POST! 

But you know, it is a horrible situation that defines that as a great posts:(  I always lile to give people options:)

That's what made it GREAT to me PI!  (1) If we even CONSIDER that the latest scenario of a "brokeback love triangle" is the root of this entire case (2) If we remember that the search of the pond near the VDS home was hindered by the LOCALS among other things (I don't think this area was ever fully cleared, correct me if I'm wrong...Do you recall the locals interfering in any other area?  Did they know something?)  (3)Along with the knowledge of all of the absolutely VILE things that have been said about family of Natalee, especially Beth and Jug to distract from the TRUTH, I think you were on the money as to the options they should have to be considered CIVILIZED.  Not that I in any way believe that the most sensible of those options would be chosen considering the paths they have taken in the past two and a half years! 

I read this today and it is so true...
FROM:  Kate Nowak's Heartfelt Blessings kate@mayyoubeblessed.com
Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:35 PM

The Paths We Create

"As a single footstep will not make a path on the earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental path, we must think over and over the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives."

—Henry David Thoreau
Just as one wave following another forms the shoreline, so do our daily actions and thoughts, repeated again and again, form the sum and substance of our lives. That's the reason affirmations work. And that's the reason it is so important that we pay attention to the dominant trend of our thinking, for those thoughts we entertain repeatedly today will shape and define our experiences tomorrow, just as surely as repeated footsteps will wear a pathway into even the firmest soil.

I hope you can understand where I was coming from... 

I am with you 100%. I do wish I wouldn't get quite so angry though, of course then I wish I had 10 minutes alone with Joran, and of course that isn't a pretty thought:)

[Tamikosmom]

Posted by Glenda at RU.
Mos has confirmed that Beth arrived with the others on the McWane flight.
Did we ever doubt that she did?  Nooooooooo.


Since Jug and Julia got slammed pretty hard on Aruba by the Psychics, and well Aruba got slammed pretty hard by The Monkeys for Believing the Psychics... With a potentiallly huge slam if any real media picked it up. I'd say the only one that didn't get slammed would be the one that didn't arrive at 7:45 pm as MOS confirmed that they had proof that Beth arrived together with the others on the Mc Wayne flight.

Considering that Hans Mos has determined that Daniel Young lied in regards to the accusations against Julia Renfro and ... he lied about the accusation against Jug and Beth regarding their time of arrival ...

1.  WHY IS DANIEL YOUNG TAKEN SERIOUSLY AT ALL?
2.  WHY IS RUDY CROES REQUESTING HANS TO INVESTIGATE NATALEE'S FAMILY BASED ON THE "FINDINGS" OF DANIEL YOUNG AND KELLY CASTILLO ... THE FINDINGS WHICH WERE SHOWN TO KARIN JANSSEN IN APRIL, 2006?

The happenings in the past week in regards to Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young is above all logic ... all reason.

Janet

++++++++++

JANUARY, 2008

Amigoe
January 17, 2008

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amigoe.com%2Fartman%2Fpublish%2Fartikel_38773.php
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329756#msg329756
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php


APRIL, 2006

New tips on Natalee Holloway case continue to come in
Bon Dia Aruba
4/10/2006

ORANJESTAD— Tips continue to come in to the Public Prosecution and the Police Force. It’s Bon Dia Aruba’s understanding that despite the search team from Holland leaving Aruba, there is other information coming in that could help police solve the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Public Prosecution, specifically chief prosecutor Janssen, and investigators in these past few days, including yesterday, met with two people, Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young, who said they have key information of what could have happened to Natalee, and they are willing to help authorities in giving them the necessary clues.

These people were already in contact with Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, who asked them to come to Aruba. However, when these persons found certain information, they realized that the case was not as Beth Twitty has told the world, but that it was something much simpler, where it cannot be said that the youngster was murdered. Castillo and Young went as far as saying that Beth Twitty knew that Natalee was alive a couple of days when the mother herself was in Aruba. This explains the first poster where she asked her daughter to get in touch with her. Further still, Beth had in her possession the telephone that Natalee used to tell her she would not return to the U.S., something that the mother did not give to police immediately.

After Castillo and Young came to Aruba, they were able to find more information, and revealed to Beth what they know. Beth didn’t like what the duo said and even said that she was not interested to know who Natalee was with last. She only wanted revenge and that her focus remained on the three youngsters who were with her after Carlos & Charlie’s.

Authorities have all the recordings and notes that Castillo and Young made during their conversations with Twitty and they are willing to publish these soon. Further still, according to these two people from the U.S., for them it is confirmed that Natalee didn’t want to return home for abuse reasons and that it’s not the first time that the youngster went as far as doing something like this.

Bon Dia Aruba understands that the meetings with authorities took their time and now they are looking at what will come out of the new information which was presented to the chief prosecutor and the investigative team.

In the meantime, the program ‘Opsporing Verzocht’ is scheduled for tomorrow night, Tuesday and this also should produce new facts to help finally solve the case.

// posted by Getagrip @ 4/10/2006 06:19:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_09_archive.html

[klaasend]

Posted by Glenda at RU.
Mos has confirmed that Beth arrived with the others on the McWane flight.
Did we ever doubt that she did?  Nooooooooo.


Since Jug and Julia got slammed pretty hard on Aruba by the Psychics, and well Aruba got slammed pretty hard by The Monkeys for Believing the Psychics... With a potentiallly huge slam if any real media picked it up. I'd say the only one that didn't get slammed would be the one that didn't arrive at 7:45 pm as MOS confirmed that they had proof that Beth arrived together with the others on the Mc Wayne flight.

And if there was any doubt in the way Glenda/Renfro worded it:




Wonder how long it will take RU to figure out they were HAD again by MF? 

[private eye]

Posted by Glenda at RU.
Mos has confirmed that Beth arrived with the others on the McWane flight.
Did we ever doubt that she did?  Nooooooooo.


Since Jug and Julia got slammed pretty hard on Aruba by the Psychics, and well Aruba got slammed pretty hard by The Monkeys for Believing the Psychics... With a potentiallly huge slam if any real media picked it up. I'd say the only one that didn't get slammed would be the one that didn't arrive at 7:45 pm as MOS confirmed that they had proof that Beth arrived together with the others on the Mc Wayne flight.

Considering that Hans Mos has determined that Daniel Young lied in regards to the accusations against Julia Renfro and ... he lied about the accusation against Jug and Beth regarding their time of arrival ...

1.  WHY IS DANIEL YOUNG TAKEN SERIOUSLY AT ALL?
2.  WHY IS RUDY CROES REQUESTING HANS TO INVESTIGATE NATALEE'S FAMILY BASED ON THE "FINDINGS" OF DANIEL YOUNG AND KELLY CASTILLO ... THE FINDINGS WHICH WERE SHOWN TO KARIN JANSSEN IN APRIL, 2006?

The happenings in the past week in regards to Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young is above all logic ... all reason.

Janet

++++++++++

JANUARY, 2008

Amigoe
January 17, 2008

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amigoe.com%2Fartman%2Fpublish%2Fartikel_38773.php
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329756#msg329756
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php


APRIL, 2006

New tips on Natalee Holloway case continue to come in
Bon Dia Aruba
4/10/2006

ORANJESTAD— Tips continue to come in to the Public Prosecution and the Police Force. It’s Bon Dia Aruba’s understanding that despite the search team from Holland leaving Aruba, there is other information coming in that could help police solve the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Public Prosecution, specifically chief prosecutor Janssen, and investigators in these past few days, including yesterday, met with two people, Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young, who said they have key information of what could have happened to Natalee, and they are willing to help authorities in giving them the necessary clues.

These people were already in contact with Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, who asked them to come to Aruba. However, when these persons found certain information, they realized that the case was not as Beth Twitty has told the world, but that it was something much simpler, where it cannot be said that the youngster was murdered. Castillo and Young went as far as saying that Beth Twitty knew that Natalee was alive a couple of days when the mother herself was in Aruba. This explains the first poster where she asked her daughter to get in touch with her. Further still, Beth had in her possession the telephone that Natalee used to tell her she would not return to the U.S., something that the mother did not give to police immediately.

After Castillo and Young came to Aruba, they were able to find more information, and revealed to Beth what they know. Beth didn’t like what the duo said and even said that she was not interested to know who Natalee was with last. She only wanted revenge and that her focus remained on the three youngsters who were with her after Carlos & Charlie’s.

Authorities have all the recordings and notes that Castillo and Young made during their conversations with Twitty and they are willing to publish these soon. Further still, according to these two people from the U.S., for them it is confirmed that Natalee didn’t want to return home for abuse reasons and that it’s not the first time that the youngster went as far as doing something like this.

Bon Dia Aruba understands that the meetings with authorities took their time and now they are looking at what will come out of the new information which was presented to the chief prosecutor and the investigative team.

In the meantime, the program ‘Opsporing Verzocht’ is scheduled for tomorrow night, Tuesday and this also should produce new facts to help finally solve the case.

// posted by Getagrip @ 4/10/2006 06:19:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_09_archive.html

There is civil liability to all within the jursidiction of the US courts for that ploy by the 2, which has a long reach. Rudy has the emotional maturity of an 8th grade punk who has what he thinks is protection by his power and thus acts like a bully. And looks like a fool while he does it, unbeknownst to himself. Rudy, the world is laughing at you , not with you. You are a joke!! Charlie, Julia are all trying to distance themselves.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
8:35 PM

[klaasend]

Nite Janet

[Magnolia]

I wish that we had the translation of Jossy's editorial today.
I think he said that Rudy Croes believes in Black Magic and Ghosts

[private eye]

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
8:35 PM

Nite!

[Tylergal]

I believe that Robot can see much further into the future and more intimately with the dead than the Danny and Kelly. So far that I can bet he can hear Joran screaming, "Oh no Bubba, please no, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" in the near future. I bet he can also hear Natalee saying, "shut up and take it like a man you punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Absalom, Absalom.

[Kat_Gram]

In one of he PV's, Paulus's, it said that Paulus called Guido to see of Joran really won the money ??? Guido was interviewed, it must have come from him. We have not a peep of what was in his ( Guido's) pv, but he was interviewed early and often. What ever happened to Arlene, Guido's cousin ?