Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[SunnyinTX]

Julia Renfro goes on Fox News and states Natalee liked a blue-eyed Dutch boy" which turned out to be a lie.

"I really went all out for her to help her find her daughter" - Julia Renfro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZeMusRNNm4

kermit, a free jar of june bugs for you.  didn't julia spend most of yesterday denying that she had said beth told her about the bedb?  sure would be nice if somebody carried this link over to ru for proof.
dennisintn

From RU:

According to Beth, a blue-eyed Dutch Boy from a good family was hanging around the group of Natalee and her friends at the resort.  Beth never told Julia she was in love with him as rumors have it, just that he had been hanging around them and that Natalee told her about him. He wasn't a boyfriend, just someone the group trusted.

JMO in retrospect - Beth establishing character that Natalee wouldn't leave with a stranger.

Everything else you heard about the BEDB is either rumor or someone elses' account of what Beth said.

LOL....renHO lies again!!!  gosh Klaas we need a thread with just renHo's lies!!! I still wish Jug would have slapped the chit outta her!!

[Tamikosmom]

Julia Renfro goes on Fox News and states Natalee liked a blue-eyed Dutch boy" which turned out to be a lie.

"I really went all out for her to help her find her daughter" - Julia Renfro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZeMusRNNm4

WHAT WAS JULIA RENFRO'S ROLE IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION?
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/05/what-was-julia-renfros-role-in-natalee.html



Julia Renfro
Seattle Times
June 4, 2006

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
By Carol J. Williams

<snipped>

American Julia Renfro, editor-in-chief of Aruba Today, initially sided with Holloway's parents when they sought publicity and lambasted Aruban police for following Dutch investigative procedures different from those in the United States.

Galvanized by compassion for a desperate mother, Renfro stopped the presses of her daily newspaper for the first time in its history to include a picture of Holloway to aid Arubans in the islandwide search.
Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculated.
Holloway might have died of alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose and washed out to sea, as Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig surmised. She might have climbed aboard one of dozens of catamarans and cabin cruisers for late-night partying after a nearby concert.

Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims. Within hours, Twitty had concluded van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murder.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html




 

[klaasend]

From RU:




People are people so it's true normal personality traits will be similar on all of the forums.  The difference between RU and SM is those that chose to stay at SM were smart enough to see through the BS of Bondia/Glenda/Renfro back in 2005.  Some of those that fell for her BS are just realizing now they were HAD. 

[wreck]

Kyle's comment that there would be NO comment about what WAS or WASN'T found is encouraging to me. I certainly do not hear any pessimism in his writings DESPITE the long, long time they have been at it! You would think he would start bracing us for a disappointment -- but I don't sense it. MOO

[dennisintn]

[

Dennis, they don't want proof of renHO lies over there.....well most of them don't....but have no fear they read so much over here that someone will find it....don't know if anyone will have the guts to post it over there though
[/quote]
good points, sunny, very good points.
dennisintn

[dennisintn]

From RU:




People are people so it's true normal personality traits will be similar on all of the forums.  The difference between RU and SM is those that chose to stay at SM were smart enough to see through the BS of Bondia/Glenda/Renfro back in 2005.  Some of those that fell for her BS are just realizing now they were HAD. 

is this woman green with envy that somebody cares about and admires the actions of another human being?  where and how has she spent her life?
dennisintn

[Magnolia]

From RU:




People are people so it's true normal personality traits will be similar on all of the forums.  The difference between RU and SM is those that chose to stay at SM were smart enough to see through the BS of Bondia/Glenda/Renfro back in 2005.  Some of those that fell for her BS are just realizing now they were HAD. 

When will Robin ever realize that she is hanging out with the people on the other side of
the fence?  Maybe she already knows.

[klaasend]

Hope = Dragonfly or maybe someone else
Hope4N = Robin

So the post above is not Robin

[Ree]

From RU:




People are people so it's true normal personality traits will be similar on all of the forums.  The difference between RU and SM is those that chose to stay at SM were smart enough to see through the BS of Bondia/Glenda/Renfro back in 2005.  Some of those that fell for her BS are just realizing now they were HAD. 

When will Robin ever realize that she is hanging out with the people on the other side of
the fence?  Maybe she already knows.

I've questioned her allegiance myself.  I just don't understand why she'd prefer MIP6 and Reality over those who truly support Natalee.  The only reason I could see was may be a stronger dislike for Beth than love for Natalee.  I certainly hope that I'm wrong.

[klaasend]

That post from HOPE is not ROBIN.  Robin's nickname at RU is Hope4N, not Hope.

[crazybabyborg]

  Well, problem "child" number one checking in here!
 
I'm quite pleased to be counted as one who knows whose feet are worthy of groveling over. Giving sacrificially of oneself for the sake of others is a pure form of unselfish love and I'm humbled to be able to honor the search crew for it.

I'll wear that grovelling child badge proudly, thank you very much.   

I'd be afraid of getting a fungus from Renho's green toes.

[Anna]

Today at 2:34pm, Reality wrote:
Without going into detail, there has been nothing found regarding Natalee other than some Coral and Debris, I'm sure Robin will explain."

Today at 2:38pm by Robin

If the prosecutors office has evidence relating to Natalee we would have known about it. The crew on the Persistence is working very hard to try, but still nothing of her. They did have something tested that didn't turn out to be anything to do with Natalee but it has been a few weeks ago.

Klaas,

I think this might be the quote from Robin about which some are expressing concern.

According to her new spokesperson, Reality, that is indeed Robin.


.

[Anna]

Here is the latest from Natalee's Freebirds:

YOU BE THE JUDGE!


A. THE PROSECUTION CHARGES: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT LACKS SELF CONTROL.


B. JORAN PLEADS: NOT GUILTY!

1. Joran: "Totally Fiction"

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - ON THE RECORD W/ GRETA - 03/06/06
VAN SUSTEREN: … Never been an anger issue?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. Never. No.
VAN SUSTEREN: That's just all made up?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Totally — totally fiction?
VAN DER SLOOT: Totally made up.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: Totally fiction.


2. Joran: "Nothing Further from the Truth"

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - DE ZAAK NATALEE HOLLOWAY - CHAPTER 6 - GAMBLING
Page 4/5 - At the time I was under the guidance/treatment of a psychiatrist. According to statements in the media I had to go there because I supposedly had a violent temper problem, that I was beating up my mother and my brothers, but nothing could be further from the truth.


C. THE EVIDENCE

1. Joran cannot be challenged.

ASSOCIATED PRESS - 01/13/08
At the end of the Pauw & Witteman program, Van der Sloot and De Vries had a testy exchange in which Van der Sloot questioned whether De Vries would "be man enough" to apologize if evidence exonerating him came to light.
The live show ended with guests shaking each others' hands. Van der Sloot stood up, then abruptly grabbed a glass of wine and leaned across the table to toss the contents directly in De Vries' eyes at a moment when the reporter was looking down. That segment was broadcast Saturday night by a different news program, Nova.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLyW8zoNU5I
Credit: Hotshot - Scared Monkeys


2. Joran demands attention.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - SUSPECT STATEMENT - 08/08/2005
The suspect was asked to take off his shoes. The suspect looked for support from his lawyer, they did not look at him however and he starts to write. He once again made an urgent request, with a slap on table.


3. Joran must not be annoyed.

SANDER GOTTENBOS - WITNESS STATEMENT - 06/16/05
On your question if I was with Joran in the carnivals season when there was an incident, I will explain to you the following: Yes I was with him on that day. On that day there was a parade in Oranjestad. We stood on the bridge at the Wilhelmina Park. That moment a druggie came to us. Joran had given him . The druggie had thrown it on the ground and started annoying us. Joran had called the police force that stood near. The police force had removed the druggie. After a while the druggie returned and started annoying us. He had grabbed Satish at its hand and wanted with him fight. At that moment Joran grabbed him and threw him off the bridge into the water.


4. Joran is a disturbed/sick individual.

DEEPAK KALPOE - SUSPECT STATEMENT - 06/16/05
If you want to find out what happened to the girl and where she is, you have to be with Joran van der SLOOT Joran van der SLOOT is a disturbed/sick person, he has admitted that he is in the care of a psychologist and that he hits his brother. If the police wants more information about Natalee, then you have to be with Joran. He was the last person with the girl, that I can guarantee.


5. Joran is an admitted thief and liar.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - DE ZAAK NATALEE HOLLOWAY - CHAPTER 6 - GAMBLING
Page 4/5 - I was undergoing treatment at the psychiatrist, once every five weeks I had to go there, because I had stolen money from my mother and father and had lied about that. I used to lie about a lot of things in those days and I talked to the psychiatrist about that too.


6. Anita van der Sloot: "Problems with Joran are ongoing."

DEEPAK KALPOE - DE ZAAK NATALEE HOLLOWAY - CHAPTER 9 - THE LIES
Page 120/121 - On that same day we went to Joran's home after he called us and told us he was ready at the police. We went to his house around 9 PM. There we found Joran's mother and father in the room. Joran's mother said: “Hello guys come in, I have to rap on your fingers because you are having problems again. With that she meant that a week prior we had a fight at Carlos and Charlies. I had an argument with a guy and the police had come. Joran's mother said: “The last half year Joran is having problems all the time, a few months ago he pushed a guy through a window of the cinema. When that happened i did not know Joran yet. His mother also said that Joran is always in the casinos and that they as parents had not raised him like that. "And now you are in trouble again.


7. Joran is aggressive and destructive.

DEEPAK KALPOE - SUSPECT STATEMENT - 06/08/2005
I can give you a list of the problems that Joran has. He himself has said he had stolen money from his mother. He also says that if his brothers go into his room he beats them. Joran has completely beaten up a guy at Bahia, because according to him the guy had told something about him to the headmaster that was not true. Joran has destroyed more car front windows then any drug dealer on the island. Sometimes when we are out he says: Lets go! If we ask him what is going on he says he has smashed in a front window of a car.


8. Joran is a vandal, thief, troublemaker and defies the law.

DEEPAK KALPOE - DE ZAAK NATALEE HOLLOWAY - CHAPTER 9 - THE LIES
Page 135 - He also has admitted that he has stolen property from tourists several
times. He goes to the casino's since he was 16. Everywhere where he sees a
fire alarm he has to put it on. He has performed a lot of vandalism in
several hotels


9. Joran obstructs justice.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - DE ZAAK NATALEE HOLLOWAY - CHAPTER 15 - INSPECTORS FROM THE NETHERLANDS - 08/11/05
Page 225 - Joran is woken at 7:00am for a drug test. He says, "Cell mates quickly provide me with a little bag of urine from someone who had never blowed before. In front of the guard i need to pull the little bag out of my zipper and deposit the content into a small container. I'm very nervous, but i manage to do it. Results are negative. Only two people in the youth department of KIA received severe detention for the use of marihuana, the rest all tested negatively since they used the urine of the boy who had never blowed“


10. I do not realize my own strength!

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - DE ZAAK NATALEE HOLLOWAY - CHAPTER 15 - INSPECTORS FROM THE NETHERLANDS - 08/28/05
Page 233 - Joran is confronted with a statement by inmate Jose, saying that he and Joran had been in a fight. Joran says it was not a fight, only that he had 'hooked back strongly' on Jose during a soccer match, causing him to fall to the ground.


11. Joran's thoughts turn to violence.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - LEAKED POLICE VAN RECORDING
Deepak: That scholarship of yours. Byeeeeeeee. You can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn't lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.


12. So There!

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - LEAKED POLICE VAN RECORDING
Joran: And also the two guards (the two security guards who were detained the first time?_ guaranteed me that they will kill you when you get out of prison.


13. Joran steals, destroys and lashes out.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - SUSPECT STATEMENT - 06/10/05
Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro's from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami ...


14. Joran is forced to take Yoga classes. Why?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT - ON THE RECORD W/ GRETA - 06/23/05
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: ... And he's just, like, Well, Mom, it's not so bad in here, but if I'm not here, and I'm thinking about you all the time and I'm praying and I'm meditating, because that's something that he went to yoga classes for a while. Of course, he was 16 then, so for him, it was, like, Why do I have to go to yoga?


15. Joran is not a gracious loser.

TITO LACLE - SM QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS - 08/12/05
He is known to be very aggressive at times.. Joran that is. At one time he would play domino at a golf course and suddenly start kicking cactus around..


16. Joran's angry nature goes way back.

FREDDY MADURO - PRISON WARDEN - COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - 08/25/05
KOSINSKI (voice-over): … The prison director, Fred Maduro, used to work with Van Der Sloot’s father and knew Joran as a boy. (on camera): Is it strange to see him in this environment?
MADURO: Yes, strange in a way, in another way, not, because of his temperament. When he doesn’t get his way, he gets very angry. I know that before, that already he was a very angry person.
KOSINSKI: And did you see some of his temper here in prison?
MADURO: In beginning, yes, with the policemen. But then, afterwards, the policemen really rough him up.
KOSINSKI: And he says Van Der Sloot got into a fight with another inmate.
MADURO: and he kicked a guy, and then he kept kicking in the same place. So, Joran’s pretty big. So, but the guy is small, but smaller than he is. But the guy (INAUDIBLE) hit him in the eye.


17. Joran's parents: "We have no control".

BETH TWITTY - VANITY FAIR ARTICLE - 01/02/06
In the first half-hour, Beth listened as Joran's parents lavished praise on their son, though they eventually admitted they had been having trouble with him. According to Beth, the van der Sloots acknowledged that Joran had been seeing a psychiatrist. "Anita told me that," Beth says. "She was saying they were beginning to have trouble with Joran [for a] defiant attitude. The father acknowledged they could not control him. He would sneak out, go gambling, in the pre-dawn hours. They had no control over him."


18. FBI Profile: Joran controls his family.

GEROLD DOMPIG - VANITY FAIR ARTICLE - 01/02/06
Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."


19. Joran's mother is not exempt from his temper.

FREDDY MADURO - PRISON WARDEN - SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY - 08/25/06
MADURO: When he doesn‘t get his way, he gets—he gets very angry, and he even slap his mother—no, not really hit her, but used a lot of bad language.


20. FBI Profile: Joran has a sociopathic personality.

KATIE COURIC/BRYAN BURROUGH - GOOD MORNING AMERICAN - 12/07/05
COURIC: So does Dompig think that these three individuals ... these three mena are guilty of the crime? Did he go that far because obviously it is one thing to have that belief and another thing to have sufficient evidence to prove it in a court of law.
BURROUGH: Not only are they the only suspects, but an FBI profile has led to a conclusion on Dompigs part and the FBI that the young man who is at the center of the case, Mr van der Sloot, has a sociopathic personality that would make him a prime suspect. So clearly they believe that's where the answers lie. It is just a question of finding evidence to back it up.


21. Proclivity: predisposition, tendency, proneness

BETH TWITTY/DAVE HOLLOWAY - NEW YORK LAWSUIT - 02/26/06
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html
February 16, 2006
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.
14 Joran’s proclivities, at a young age, were known to both of his parents, Paulus Van der Sloot and wife, Anita.
15. As recently as May 2005, Joran was receiving psychological counselling for his problems.


22. Joran's way or else!

CLINT VAN ZANDT - FORMER FBI INTESTIGATION - THE ABRAMS REPORT - 08/25/05
CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI INVESTIGATOR: Yes, I mean, Dan, the tape of Joran sitting there in boxer shorts, throw it away. Who cares? You know it‘s one more person in prison. What counts is what you just pointed out. Here is someone who comments on someone who has a significant anger management problem. When he doesn‘t get his way, he loses his temper. He gives his mother grief. He curses at her. He‘s had fights inside the jail. He‘s had arguments and fights with police officers. I mean, you know, does this make him guilty of anything? No, but it suggested this is someone who doesn‘t handle his anger well. He doesn‘t handle rejection well. He wants his way and if he doesn‘t get it, he perhaps goes physical.


23. Physical violence is Joran's first reaction to a contentious situation.

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT - ON THE RECORD W/ GRETA - 06/23/05
VAN DER SLOOT: ... He knew that things were wrong, but — and the girl was missing. But he repeated, She will appear somewhere. And if she does, I'll kick her butt in front of her mom because she brought all of us in trouble. That's what he repeated several times.


D. THE CLOSING STATEMENT - PROSECUTION

"Your Honor, we believe the evidence speaks for itself. Given the history of Joran's past uncontrolled behavior, one needs only to imagine what might have happened to Natalee on the night she said no to Joran."


E. THE VERDICT

You be the Judge!


Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

BUMP!!!

Gotta be the Post of the Day.

MO--didn't want anybody to miss this one.

.

[Tylergal]

From RU:




People are people so it's true normal personality traits will be similar on all of the forums.  The difference between RU and SM is those that chose to stay at SM were smart enough to see through the BS of Bondia/Glenda/Renfro back in 2005.  Some of those that fell for her BS are just realizing now they were HAD. 

When will Robin ever realize that she is hanging out with the people on the other side of
the fence?  Maybe she already knows.

I was wondering the same thing or if maybe all this stress had caused a riff between her and Dave as she seems to be depending on Mark and his friends a lot for comfort. I know that the loss of Natalee is what caused Jug & Beth's split and you have to know that losing a child is very stressful and I think Jug has handled it well and so has Robin, but more and more Robin seems to be going to the Refugees for her nurturing moments and I just wondered if somehow the RUs would equate this with Beth seeing another man after her divorce in order to escape the everyday travails of all this.

[SunnyinTX]

 

2006-01-12  Publisher's Notebook   
 

 
http://www.bwcitypaper.com/1editorialbody.lasso?-token.folder=2006-01-12&-token.story=149642.112112&-token.subpub=

 
 
 
By Chuck Geiss write the author
 
January 12, 2006

The year 2005 will be remembered for three major news stories that should continue to make headlines this year: the trial of Healthsouth founder Richard Scrushy; the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba; and Hurricane Katrina.   


Natalee Holloway’s mysterious disappearance in Aruba during a high school graduation trip drew unprecedented attention from the national media. While fresh news is now rare, a newly published article by Bryan Burroughs in Vanity Fair provides the most recent account of what happened on the island during the weeks following Holloway’s disappearance. The article provides few new facts, but more sensationally it points a finger at the Twitty family for being heavy-handed with the police. Burroughs proposes that their approach hindered the investigation, but the Vanity Fair article gives an incomplete account of what the Twittys and the Holloways endured in the search for their daughter. Moreover, two of Burroughs’ primary sources should be challenged.

Gerald Dompig, the island’s deputy chief of police, characterizes the Twittys and their American friends as unnecessarily aggressive and unruly during the early weeks of the search.

However, I visited the Twittys on the island two weeks after Natalee’s disappearance, and the family’s temperament was much calmer than I had expected. A tense situation was made worse by a series of tips and leads that sent the family and friends in dozens of different directions while police remained remarkably unfazed. The family complied with island officials for weeks and turned to the international media only after concluding that continued silence about their frustrations was a losing proposition. Unfortunately, Vanity Fair did not report the full extent of the family’s travails.

Burroughs’ other doubtful source is Julia Renfro, an American-born newspaper reporter who works at one of the island’s dailies. She befriended the Twittys at first, but has since turned on them, which is a substantial aspect of Burroughs’s Vanity Fair story. Renfro was seemingly a big help to the family in the initial weeks of the search, but her motives for doing so are dubious. It is my contention she was either a newspaper reporter aggressively interested in getting a story or just someone starved for attention.

The reason Renfro suddenly found the Twittys disinterested in her help was the fact that she also orchestrated, or at least contributed to, one of the cruelest hoaxes of the investigation. Twelve days after Natalee’s disappearance, Renfro suddenly appeared in downtown Oranjestad where Jug Twitty had made an unplanned stop to buy some clothes (the circumstances surrounding how she found him remain mysterious). Renfro was hysterical over news that Natalee had been found dead and her body had been moved to the island’s courthouse. When asked where she had learned these details, she claimed it had come from one of her regular sources, a deputy information officer in the justice department.

What followed was a frantic, ten-block car race to the courthouse made more uncomfortable by the fact that Renfro had pushed herself into the family’s already full minivan (she took a spot on the console), conspicuously inserting herself, perhaps now as a newspaper reporter, into the unfolding story. Upon arriving at the courthouse, a throng of television cameras met the family. What happened next was a long, uncomfortable walk to the courthouse where Jug and his friends found a locked door and an apparently empty building. It was later learned that no justice department official had ever leaked the information. The incident was yet another nightmarish spectacle that the family endured during weeks of searching for their daughter. Renfro’s contribution to the occasion was the beginning of the end of her association with the family (another fact not found in the Vanity Fair story). It should be considered that while the search for Natalee Holloway continues, it took weeks for the family to figure out which personalities on the island were credible or not, which has led to some hurt feelings along the way.
 

[klaasend]

Today at 2:34pm, Reality wrote:
Without going into detail, there has been nothing found regarding Natalee other than some Coral and Debris, I'm sure Robin will explain."

Today at 2:38pm by Robin

If the prosecutors office has evidence relating to Natalee we would have known about it. The crew on the Persistence is working very hard to try, but still nothing of her. They did have something tested that didn't turn out to be anything to do with Natalee but it has been a few weeks ago.

Klaas,

I think this might be the quote from Robin about which some are expressing concern.

According to her new spokesperson, Reality, that is indeed Robin.


.

Anna - yes, what you just posted above, which was originally posted at BNH and reposted at RU is from Robin and Reality.

I'm referring to the poster with the nickname HOPE at RU.  HOPE is NOT Robin.  Robin's nickname at RU is Hope4N.

[klaasend]

The post below is NOT Robin.  I want to clear that up.  Robin's nickname at RU is Hope4N, not Hope.

[klaasend]

This is a message for JENNA at RU:

RED that posted at the Prophecies forum is NOT, I repeat NOT, the same RED as in ScaredMonkeys.  If you think otherwise you really need your head examined.  Actually, it would probably be a good idea for you to have it examined anyway after reading some of your posts.

[Tamikosmom]

From RU:




People are people so it's true normal personality traits will be similar on all of the forums.  The difference between RU and SM is those that chose to stay at SM were smart enough to see through the BS of Bondia/Glenda/Renfro back in 2005.  Some of those that fell for her BS are just realizing now they were HAD. 

When will Robin ever realize that she is hanging out with the people on the other side of
the fence?  Maybe she already knows.

I've questioned her allegiance myself.  I just don't understand why she'd prefer MIP6 and Reality over those who truly support Natalee.  The only reason I could see was may be a stronger dislike for Beth than love for Natalee.  I certainly hope that I'm wrong.

 


Ree ... it was not always that way.  At one time Robin Holloway did not uphold those with an Aruban Agenda ... those who were distancing Joran from implication in the disappearance of her stepdaughter .... those who were blaming Natalee for her own demise and ... those who were despicable discrediting the every word and action of Natalee's mother.

At one time Robin stood unified with Dave, Beth and Jug and ... demanded that the Aruban investigation team and ... the prosecutor ... be replaced.

Janet

++++++++++


Robin Holloway
FOX NEWS
Arubust 26, 2005

The brothers were first arrested on June 9 along with Joran van der Sloot (search), 18, who authorities have identified as a suspect in the case though no charges have been filed.

"We haven't been told why, but I think it's obvious," Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, said by phone from Meridian, Miss.  We've known all along they all had something to do with Natalee's disappearance."


Robin Holloway
CBS NEWS
June 17, 2005

I don't think they're going to find Natalee until these [first] three guys talk," said Robin Holloway.  They know they were the last ones to see her. And I firmly believe in my heart they know where Natalee is and just please tell us.  They hold the answer.


Robin Holloway
MSNBC - MORNING JOE
March 24, 2006

ROBIN HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S STEPMOTHER: I’m confused. When Dave got on the island, from day one, Dennis Jacobs said, “Oh, she ran off with somebody to go find a beer. She’ll show up.”  And then a couple of months later, Dompig said, “They’re all three guilty as hell. We’re going to prove it. We’re going to close this case.”

And now, blaming the victim, yes.  It sounds like they’re trying to say, “Well, she had too much booze, too much drug use, and, as a result, she caused her own death.”


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
'Scarborough Country'
March 24, 2006

HOLLOWAY: ... If she was drugged, it was because of the last drink Joran gave her, either compliments of Joran or the bartender.



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=318.msg45696;topicseen#msg45696

Date: November1,2005
To: Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
Attorney General Of Aruba
Havenstrat 2
Orangestad,Aruba

From  Arthur F. Wood
Dave and Robin Holloway
Beth and Jug Twitty

Dear Attorney General,

Dave Holloway and I left Aruba on October 27,2005, after meeting with the Prime Minister, Nelson Oduber. During the meeting we informed the Prime Minister of our collective perception that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has been mishandled and jeapordized by the current investigative and prosecution team. We expressed our total lack of confidence in that team and requested that the Prime Minister, together with the appropriate officials from Aruba, appoint a new investigative and prosecutorial team to continue this case. The purpose of this document is to identify and explain some of the elements, concerns and incidents which have led to our complete lack of confidence in the ability of the current team to continue this investigation in a professional and positive manner. We feel that it is imperative that the following individuals be replaced ...

<snipped>

[Magnolia]

Hope4N= Robin
Hope= Dragonfly
Hopefloats= Baby with Cigarettes

Got it.