Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

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Tijdlijn Beth klopt niet
23 Jan, 2008, 18:54 (GMT -04:00)

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  WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD — Moeder Beth van Natalee Holloway heeft onjuiste informatie verstrekt over het tijdstip waarop zij met een private jet op 30 mei 2005 landde op Aruba. Dit was niet ‘rond elf uur ‘s avonds’, zoals ze tot nu toe verklaarde – ook in haar eind vorig jaar verschenen boek – maar een paar uur eerder, namelijk al om kwart voor acht. Dit zegt Alberto G. voor camera van de Curaçaose tv-producent Renée Gielen, die bezig is met een documentaire over de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse tienermeisje en G. hierover vanmorgen interviewde.

Alberto G. (de Amigoe weet zijn naam, maar hij wil deze uit zelfbescherming niet openbaar maken) werkte in die tijd op het deel van de Reina Beatrix luchthaven waar privévliegtuigen parkeren. Hij was de eerste die Beth Twitty (toen nog getrouwd met Natalee’s stiefvader Jug Twitty) onderaan de vliegtuigtrap ontmoette, nadat hij het toestel had binnengeloodst. Vervolgens trad hij een tijdlang op als gids van de familie.

Op camera zegt hij nu zijn eerdere verklaring tegenover de politie in te trekken en een nieuwe te zullen afleggen. G. heeft zich vergist, stelt hij. De uitspraken vorige week van de Amerikanen Dan Young en Kelly Castillo, die zichzelf uitgeven voor ‘onderzoekers’ deden hem besluiten nog eens het een en ander te checken. Het blijkt dat hijzelf later die avond had uitgeklokt, namelijk iets na tien uur. G. vermoedt dat dit de reden moet zijn geweest dat hij ernaast zat wat betreft de tijd. Hij bevestigt de authenticiteit van de computeruitdraai die Young en Castillo lieten zien, waarop blijkt dat Beth al om kwart voor acht arriveerde.

Het motief van Natalee’s moeder om te liegen over haar aankomsttijd is niet helder. Ook niet bekend is of de politie er zelf eerder achterkwam dat het opgegeven tijdstip niet klopt. Oud-commissaris Gerald Dompig verklaarde eerder tegenover deze krant dat de politie indertijd de tijdlijn wel degelijk heeft onderzocht – vluchtgegevens plus luchtbewegingen – waarbij ook informatie van de luchtverkeersleiding op Curaçao is verkregen.

Het zegt volgens de documentairemaker wel iets over de deugdelijkheid van de beweringen van Beth. Gielen: “Ze moet meer geweten hebben.”

Dit zou ook blijken uit een andere verklaring van Alberto G., die herhaalt wat Young en Castillo zeiden, namelijk dat Beth in eerste instantie posters bij zich had waarop stond: ‘Please call me, hootie. I miss you and love you. Mom is here on Aruba and I really want to talk to you. Please call me on my local cell.’ De poster is ondertekend met ‘Big hootie’. Volgens Gielen werpt dit een ander licht op de zaak. “Beths tijdlijn klopt niet en ze wist meer.”


Through translator:

time line Beth is not correct

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WILLEMSTAD/oranjestad - mother has supplied incorrect information on the time on which she landed with a private jet on 30 May 2005 on Aruba to Beth van Natalee Holloway. This not ` around eleven hours ` s evening, such as them so far explained - in its end previous year had also appeared book - but a couple hour rather, namely already for the quarter for eight. This says Alberto G. for camera of the Curaçaose tv-producent Renée Gielen, which is busy with a documentary concerning the disappearance of the American teenager little girl and G. interviewed about this vanmorgen. Alberto G. (the Amigoe weet are name, but he wants these from self-protection not public prove) worked in that time on the part of the Reina Beatrix airport privévliegtuigen to park. He was the first which Beth met Twitty (with Natalee's stiefvader then still married Jug Twitty) below the plane staircase, after he had the toestel binnengeloodst. Then he acted time-long as a guide of the family. On camera he says earlier withdraw declaration now its compared with the police force and new will take off. G. has been mistaken himself, puts he. The judgements last week of the Americans then Young and Kelly Castillo, who spend itself for ` research workers did him decide once more it and verify an other one. It appears that he himself had later that evening uitgeklokt, namely something after ten hours. G. suspects that this the reason must be that he zat concerning the time. He confirms the authenticity of the computer listing Young and Castillo showed which, on which appears that Beth arrived already for the quarter for eight. The aim of Natalee's mother to lie concerning its hour of arrival is not clear. Also it is not confessed or the police force there himself more earlier achterkwam that the given up time is not correct. Oud-commissaris Gerald Dompig explained rather compared with this newspaper that the police force originally the time line really has examined - flight data plus air movements - where also information of the air traffic control on Curaçao has been obtained. It says something according to the documentairemaker, however, concerning the soundness of the statements of Beth. Gielen: Must have blamed "them more." This will become clear also from another declaration of Alberto G., which repeats what Young and Castillo said, namely that Beth had in the first place posters at itself on which stood: ` Please call me, hootie. I miss you and love you. Mom is complete on Aruba and I really because to tallow to you. Please call me on my local cell. The poster has been signed with ` piglet hootie. According to Gielen this throws another one slightly on the matter. "Beths time line are not correct and she knew more."


So this is all BS for the BS documentary
 

[ldstlou]

Julia Renfro inserted herself into the picture right out of the gate.  Diverting and misinforming the family at every turn, and  spreading rumors in her spare time.  IMO, putting up posters with her own cell phone number for a tip line, is obstructing the investigation right out of the gate, but seems the crack ALE thought it was OK.

Does anyone know when Natalee's family became aware that Julia Renfro was a very good friend of the SLOOTS?

TIA

not sure...but I was told that at the beginning, renho HATED Charles Croes because supposedly he cheated her hubby/boyfriend out of some money. Then a few days into the ordeal all of a sudden renho and CC were best friends and buddy,buddy...so it didn't take long for either of them to choose sides with Aruban tourism over finding Natalee.

[Magnolia]

Well, I am going to remain positive and say the two film
crews are Dateline and Peter DeVries.
I think something has been found.
There is some reason that the Aruba/Sloot supporters are
in such a tizzy to chage/invent new stories.The case has
been called cold.  Why not just let it lie?

[Tylergal]

Could the film crew please interview and explain to the US public:  How The Minister of Tourism can send tourism staff over to the Justice Department, to help solve a case.  I am quite confused about the impartiality of such a "team".   

Is that legal??

I don't know about legal, but I don't think they could do any worse of a job.   

you're probably right, and knowing them, that's exactly what they had in mind.
dennisintn

I don't think they have any laws, moreover a constitution.  It's called "winging it."

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html

Paul van der Sloot's Changing Story
Thursday , June 30, 2005



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 This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 29, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Stunning new information about Joran van der Sloot's (search) lies. Less than 24 hours after Natalee Holloway (search) disappeared, before he was questioned by police, Joran Van Der Sloot had already made up a story about what happened that night.

Charles Croes spoke with Joran in the early morning hours of May 31. Earlier today, Charles told us about that conversation.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a cell rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Beth have any idea at that point, as far as you knew, who her daughter had been seen with or who she had last been known to be with?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did she tell you?

C. CROES: Specifically, she told me that her daughter went to Carlos and Charlie's, and that, while there, she had met up with a young guy and asked him to take her home, and that she got into a small silver or gray car that had a large exhaust on the back and tinted windows, and had left.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she have names for any of these people or just that description?

C. CROES: She had a description of the car and she had a description of one tall Dutch guy. And at that time, she said, with darkish hair.

VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?

C. CROES: Yes, it did.

VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?

C. CROES: After that, we spoke a while. And then we left that location with the intention of going to the Holiday Inn to continue meeting. On the way there, a young man and I were sitting in my car. And on the way there, instinctively, I wanted to go to drive off, pull over to the cabana area, just to look to see if perhaps she was there.

VAN SUSTEREN: Then where did you go?

C. CROES: Then we continued on track over to the Holiday Inn. And we were supposed to turn over to go into the Holiday Inn. And I had made a decision not to and went straight ahead. And going straight ahead, I made another decision to go to the beach area.

VAN SUSTEREN: What happened when you got there?

C. CROES: When I got there, there were three cars there. One was pulling out. It was a black car. There was another car parked there. And there was a car with kids in it. And I made the decision to talk to the kids. I got out of the car and, in talking to the kids, and describing what had happened, and explained to them why it is I was approaching them at this hour of the night and asking these questions.

I then described Joran. At this point, I wasn't sure about his name. And they asked me what kind of car he drove. And I wasn't sure. And I said, "But we do know that he was in a silver or gray metallic car, small car with a large exhaust." One of the guys says, "Oh, that's Joran."

I then spoke to him, and I said, "Would you kindly lead us to his home? Do you know where he lives?" And he said, "Sure." And he got in our car. And we went over to the house.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you drove over to the Van der Sloot home. And any idea about what time you arrived there?

C. CROES: Close to 3:00.

VAN SUSTEREN: Prior to that time when you went to the house, had you ever heard of the Van der Sloots or had you ever been to their house before?

(snipped)

[SunnyinTX]

Julia Renfro inserted herself into the picture right out of the gate.  Diverting and misinforming the family at every turn, and  spreading rumors in her spare time.  IMO, putting up posters with her own cell phone number for a tip line, is obstructing the investigation right out of the gate, but seems the crack ALE thought it was OK.

Does anyone know when Natalee's family became aware that Julia Renfro was a very good friend of the SLOOTS?

TIA

Helen...just a guess on my part...I would think they knew for sure the night renHO went on TV talking about how jvs went to school the next day and did his exams....this is the night renHO claims Jug pushed her.....lies. lies and ,lies!!

[SunnyinTX]

Well, I am going to remain positive and say the two film
crews are Dateline and Peter DeVries.
I think something has been found.
There is some reason that the Aruba/Sloot supporters are
in such a tizzy to chage/invent new stories.The case has
been called cold.  Why not just let it lie?

since it has been stated that PdeV is on the island I would certainly think the film crew was with him...as far as the film crew from the US...I don't know...but your guess on Dateline sure sounds reasonable....

[Nut44x4]

Bill Curtis from A&E is on Aruba.......as per Glenda

[Anna]

I love it when the RUFOB's accidentally trash one of their own.  They can't seem to grasp that anyone can post on the Front Page without registering.  So they viciously attacked their own Aruban Dutchie, Gabe Leo, and went to great lengths to ridicule him for saying he knew Beth arrived at night and not in the morning.

He didn't understand that this was not the question of am and pm and so they really bashed him.  Well, he certainly is not a "Monkey" by any stroke of the imagination but how dare anyone even APPEAR to be supportive of Beth!

Love it when they eat their own like that!

No body/No case so how do we have no body/pregnancy or no body/cocaine?  Lame, lame and double lame!

And where is Robots anyway?

.

[Helen Back]

Julia Renfro inserted herself into the picture right out of the gate.  Diverting and misinforming the family at every turn, and  spreading rumors in her spare time.  IMO, putting up posters with her own cell phone number for a tip line, is obstructing the investigation right out of the gate, but seems the crack ALE thought it was OK.

Does anyone know when Natalee's family became aware that Julia Renfro was a very good friend of the SLOOTS?

TIA

Helen...just a guess on my part...I would think they knew for sure the night renHO went on TV talking about how jvs went to school the next day and did his exams....this is the night renHO claims Jug pushed her.....lies. lies and ,lies!!

Thanks, ldstlou and Sunny.  I'm sure Beth and Jug's intuition was telling them fairly early on in the goose chases, that she was not to be trusted for whatever reason.  I'm curious as to when they learned of Julia's actual close connection to the SLOOTS.

[robots]

let me get this straight

these idiots keep chasing a dead squirel up a rotten tree about Beth and the time
she arrived but they pay no attention to the ever changing timeline of K2, joran and SLOPMAN <--------paulus


ok... i guess i understand now

they are DUMBASSES
 

[robots]

I love it when the RUFOB's accidentally trash one of their own.  They can't seem to grasp that anyone can post on the Front Page without registering.  So they viciously attacked their own Aruban Dutchie, Gabe Leo, and went to great lengths to ridicule him for saying he knew Beth arrived at night and not in the morning.

He didn't understand that this was not the question of am and pm and so they really bashed him.  Well, he certainly is not a "Monkey" by any stroke of the imagination but how dare anyone even APPEAR to be supportive of Beth!

Love it when they eat their own like that!

No body/No case so how do we have no body/pregnancy or no body/cocaine?  Lame, lame and double lame!

And where is Robots anyway?

.

 ::MonkeyCool::Hi Anna !!!

[Anna]

Hi, Robots!

 

[Anna]

Bill Curtis from A&E is on Aruba.......as per Glenda

Nuts,

What program does he do?  Do you or anyone know?  The name is familiar but I can't put a particular program with it.

.

[hotping]

Bill Curtis from A&E is on Aruba.......as per Glenda

Nuts,

What program does he do?  Do you or anyone know?  The name is familiar but I can't put a particular program with it.

.

Bill Kurtis Host American Justice for A&E

[Tylergal]

Julia Renfro inserted herself into the picture right out of the gate.  Diverting and misinforming the family at every turn, and  spreading rumors in her spare time.   

Does anyone know when Natalee's family became aware that Julia Renfro was a very good friend of the SLOOTS?

TIA

not sure...but I was told that at the beginning, renho HATED Charles Croes because supposedly he cheated her hubby/boyfriend out of some money. Then a few days into the ordeal all of a sudden renho and CC were best friends and buddy,buddy...so it didn't take long for either of them to choose sides with Aruban tourism over finding Natalee.

Maybe there is more here than meets the eye.  I recall a certain politician's wife of prominence here in our country who had "inadvertently"  obtained FBI files on the opposition and when questioned about them, denied it but she had obtained enough information so that no politician could ever oppose her and her husband.  Does Aruba have such a system whereby someone can obtain dosssiers on its citizens and these can be used by ALE (in collusion) with AHATA anytime something goes against the grain, sotaspeak.  This would explain why not only Charles Croes but Julia Renfro, Dompig, et al, changed their loyalty from Beth to tourism when they saw what files could and would be used against them and then there are others without files or without regard to files, who find themselves hanging alone with their feed on the ground, hands in pocket or eviscerated, beheaded, etc.  It's not a pretty picture when I vile woman can obtain files and use against the country's citizens, but we know if it can happen in the USA, it can happen in a third-world country.

[Anna]

Hotping,

Thanks.  I have never watched that very much but will watch to see how the program is and what it covers.  I do see it in my programming guide so I know I can get it.

 

[ldstlou]

Bill Curtis from A&E is on Aruba.......as per Glenda

Nuts,

What program does he do?  Do you or anyone know?  The name is familiar but I can't put a particular program with it.

.

Bill Kurtis Host American Justice for A&E

I love that show!!!

[Lala'sMom]

Bill Kurtis

http://www.aetv.com/american_justice/index.jsp

[Tylergal]

Julia Renfro inserted herself into the picture right out of the gate.  Diverting and misinforming the family at every turn, and  spreading rumors in her spare time.  IMO, putting up posters with her own cell phone number for a tip line, is obstructing the investigation right out of the gate, but seems the crack ALE thought it was OK.

Does anyone know when Natalee's family became aware that Julia Renfro was a very good friend of the SLOOTS?

TIA

Helen...just a guess on my part...I would think they knew for sure the night renHO went on TV talking about how jvs went to school the next day and did his exams....this is the night renHO claims Jug pushed her.....lies. lies and ,lies!!

Thanks, ldstlou and Sunny.  I'm sure Beth and Jug's intuition was telling them fairly early on in the goose chases, that she was not to be trusted for whatever reason.  I'm curious as to when they learned of Julia's actual close connection to the SLOOTS.

When Beth began questioning the involvement of AJ and MJ, and started pointing the finger at the real suspects, FOJ.