Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[texasmom]

Here is the infor about the A&E Search.

Holloway's father, who said recently that the A&E channel, which is including Hodges' information in a documentary about the case, intends to organize an underwater search in December. - http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/119589591279620.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

thanks Magnolia!

[Anna]

For some reason they are dragging out every old wornout lie they have told over the time since Natalee was last seen leaving C&C with J2K, all the lies and family smearing.

Since it has all been debunked ten different ways, I am not sure what they hope to accomplish by dragging it all out again.

Didn't work before and won't now.  I have not seen one credible statement or claim made yet from those purporting to represent the "other side."

It's a big fat waste of time to even bother to read their garbage as a ten year old could discredit every bit of it. 

Going to call it a night and heading for the Monkey Bunkey.  Hoping tomorrow they will have given the lying a rest!

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[robots]

For some reason they are dragging out every old wornout lie they have told over the time since Natalee was last seen leaving C&C with J2K, all the lies and family smearing.

Since it has all been debunked ten different ways, I am not sure what they hope to accomplish by dragging it all out again.

Didn't work before and won't now.  I have not seen one credible statement or claim made yet from those purporting to represent the "other side."

It's a big fat waste of time to even bother to read their garbage as a ten year old could discredit every bit of it. 

Going to call it a night and heading for the Monkey Bunkey.  Hoping tomorrow they will have given the lying a rest!

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::MonkeyCool::gn

[texasmom]

goodnight Anna

Although we all wish they'd stop the spinning and blatent lying; I really believe they will keep spinning and saying anything no matter how ridiculous to distract from the TRUTH.  It's sad.

[klaasend]

Nite Anna

[crazybabyborg]

This really is a testiment to real stupidity. They don't realize they are just setting themselves up to be proven a fool, again, and they just keep rushing toward that end with tongues wagging!

When they wonder why Aruba was made to look bad, they need to take a peek in a mirror. Stuff like this just makes the corruption and desperation to grab at straws more pathetic and convinces everyone with eyes and ears that they'll do and say anything to protect the guilty.

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

Mediamax Aruba N.V. Director Patrick J. Boset Editor Felix J. Schoonbeek Layout & Design Linda van der Windt Sales Marlene Purcell Felix J. Schoonbeek ...
www.leconcierge.mediamaxaruba.com/www/news.htm


IFA members who donated lunch to the SABA-foundation facility for the elderly on Father’s Day: Marlene & Mark Purcell, Johanne & Mike Jajko, Tara Sutthof, Barbara Vali, Margie Wever, Fanny O’Niel & Tico Ridderstap, Sandy Hirsch & Ed Roberts, Sammy & Raj Lalwani, Tina Escobedo, Sangeeta & Balan Paravantavida, Lavina & Sunil Mirpuri, Mike & BJ Sheperd, Aarti & Juggie Daryanani, Cecilia Lieuw & Marc Ingwersen, Julie Renfro & Patrick Boset, Claudia & Bruce Jackson, Lois & Bob Schlowsky, Milagro Gil-Sanchez & Jon Jeffree, Christine & Kevin Tanzola, Neelam & Ash Chugani & Rona Coster. Special thanks to maestro Nelson Sprook who supplied the excellent music.
http://www.angelfire.com/amiga2/ifaruba/community.html

[Kermit]

We were with them day and night. We weren't reporters. We were family. Beth told us that."
Wednesday morning, as Beth gave her statement to police, Renfro and Munzenhofer met in the Holiday Inn's lobby to organize the first search teams. After a series of radio announcements, a hundred tourists showed up, along with a smattering of Arubans and policemen. Jan van der Straaten, the crusty Dutch police superintendent who would end up working the case, was not happy. "Van der Straaten walks up and tells me, 'You can't do this,'" Renfro recalls. "I said, 'Yes I can. I'm going to find this girl.' He told me she wasn't even considered 'missing' for 48 hours. In fact, he told me just to go to Ladies' Night at Carlos 'n Charlie's that night, that she would probably show up there. Anyway, he talked to the group. And his message was, he asked us not to cause any traffic problems. I just wanted to fall out of my pants I was so mad."

At dusk the searchers returned to their hotel rooms, having found no sign of Natalee. Then, early the next evening, Munzenhofer took an urgent call from a source, who said Natalee was staying in a downtown house with certain unnamed "friends" who wanted to "protect" her. But, the source went on, her friends had agreed to turn her over to the family for $4,000—a quasi-ransom. Renfro relayed the message to Beth, and within an hour everyone had met at the Buccaneer, the restaurant Munzenhofer's family owns. Jug had a thousand dollars, and the Munzenhofers volunteered to donate the other $3,000 from the cash register. (Source: Vanity Fair)

[Kermit]

At 10 o'clock the next morning and every morning for the next two weeks Renfro and Munzenhofer organized search parties. (Source: Vanity Fair article)

[Tylergal]

At 10 o'clock the next morning and every morning for the next two weeks Renfro and Munzenhofer organized search parties. (Source: Vanity Fair article)

And still no takers.

[Kermit]

"We tried to avoid going on those shows," says Renfro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZeMusRNNm4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIvo2f3jeW8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apku7YoIRJ0

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177980,00.html

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/22/Worldandnation/From_paradise_to_para.shtml

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/01/natalee-holloway-investigation-on-the-record-julia-renfro-and-dave-holloway/

http://www.freewebs.com/nataleeannholloway/renfrostuff.htm

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/tag/julia-renfro/

http://www.today.com/browse/tag-julia_renfro/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

http://www.videofiend.com/March-16,-2006-Julia-Renfro-and-new-searches-7367736.aspx

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-110443144.html

PRETZER on Julia Renfro Police Statement TRANSCRIPT
July 14, 2006
http://refugeesunleashed.net/about3554.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ltm.03.html

http://www.videofiend.com/Dec-7,-2005-Julia-Renfro-discusses-Vaniety-Fair-1882350.aspx

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11499295/

We tried to avoid going on those shows," says Renfro.

[Kermit]

At 10 o'clock the next morning and every morning for the next two weeks Renfro and Munzenhofer organized search parties. (Source: Vanity Fair article)

And still no takers.

Good point. 

[MumInOhio]

There was a lot of discussion on E.W. on Dec. 5th as Klaas left us a message to discuss it the next day.

I posted, on Jan 1st some links about the agreement between Aruba and us on the FPO, whose name has been changed. There are always agents in Aruba and even Homeland Sec., I believe operating out of the airport. I remember from Beth's book that she was surprised that she couldn't get any help from this person.

[MumInOhio]

LOL...someone from the Netherlands was just searching Beth's timeline....maybe they need to search where Joran and Deepak were that night. Joran leaves the casino at 9.45PM and Deepak closes the Internet Cafe at 10PM...and they both use 11PM in their statements....

[Nut44x4]

I know that Anita is involved but I want to know at what point the other Monkeys feel she entered the case.  Like a doctor who is coming in to repair a clipped artery, Anita is right there to fix everything for her "hunky, sweaty" Paulus and the Sporter boy from hell.

Do you think Paulus called her to come back and help him or do you think Renfro called her with an SOS?

I think papa called her back.....pronto....and when she got back she was told partial truth..then she found Natalee's underpants and they had to tell her the WHOLE truth....and then is when I think SHE took over...and she has run things since that time IMO

It could not have been as simple as Anita 'finding' Natalee's panties. Remember...Joran had girls over all the time and the parents knew about it. To 'find' a pair of panties there probably would not be out of the 'norm'. If Anita found them she would have no reason to confront Joran and Joran would have no reason to explain who they belonged to.  They could have belonged to any of Joran's girlfriends/friends. There is way more to the 'panty' story than meets the eye.

[Nut44x4]

Just found this, don't know if its true or not but I thought I would share.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannah
The letter from Vinda de Sousa in the NY case filing says the following about Williams:

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.




As I recall, at some point in July 2005, The Jugster said he wasn't sure how Williams had gotten involved, which doesn't, to me, suggest a "family friendship". Oh, well. I guess they sorted this out by the time the lawsuit was filed.

Williams was an undercover agent in Florida. His cover was blown when he had to testify in court about some of his cases. He was thereafter a spokespeson for the DEA. That much I knowe is true, because I researched it myself.

Glenda, that fount of credibility, says that Williams retired to Aruba and purchased a condo or house from her family or father.
http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=39141

Apparently in what I have bolded above suggests a friend of the SLOOTS not Natalee's family. When 'the family' is in any statement it could mean either/or.

[Lala'sMom]

Just found this, don't know if its true or not but I thought I would share.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannah
The letter from Vinda de Sousa in the NY case filing says the following about Williams:

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.




As I recall, at some point in July 2005, The Jugster said he wasn't sure how Williams had gotten involved, which doesn't, to me, suggest a "family friendship". Oh, well. I guess they sorted this out by the time the lawsuit was filed.

Williams was an undercover agent in Florida. His cover was blown when he had to testify in court about some of his cases. He was thereafter a spokespeson for the DEA. That much I knowe is true, because I researched it myself.

Glenda, that fount of credibility, says that Williams retired to Aruba and purchased a condo or house from her family or father.
http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=39141

And everyone laughed at me when I kept saying...the DEA agent is important in all this..who's laughing now RU? Sorry, I just had a meltdown and need coffee. Passing thru...ignore me.

[Buckeye]

Anita

I think Joran called his mom.  She's always covered for him.  The reason for "my dad had my mom's phone" and also why Paulus was worried that someone would arrest him, Anita or one of the kids.....why even mention worrying about Anita or Val (ooops, I mean one of the kids)?

DEA

If whoever the guy is/was, if he chose to retire to that island, then he was on the take or made some shady connections while still employed. What kind of agent would choose to retire on a money laundering/druggy island.....unless he had investments????

[Lala'sMom]

Remember the DEA agent is the one that drove to that gas station tomeet with Charles Croes...why the gas station?  Why not the lobby of the hotel?  He is also the one that asked Beth to remain in the car at the Sloots.