Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[Buckeye]

Good post from RU:

resigned wrote:


How come Julia Renfro was investigated and cleared of being an interesting person in just a couple days but it takes so long to retrieve flight data? Confused Laughing



For RU

I have a copy of the early radio broadcast of Beth's (by one of your esteemed posters), which lists Natalee's and Beth's cell phone numbers.  Neither of those numbers are on the Hootie poster.

The first posters, made in the US, were the kidnapped posters. They were told they could not hang them up.  Seems to me Glenda/Julia knows just what posters she threw together (which ones look thrown together?) and ran off.  Ask her which ones she made.  Of course she won't answer that, but keep everyone chatting with disinformation, because that is what she is paid to do.  Maybe Charles can tell you who had that local number (which could be called from Julia's crackhouse) that Beth was told would be good to have available for Natalee, in case she came around and got to a phone.

Julia, once again is guilty by omission.  Now, ask yourself why.

One more thing, maybe the psychics original story involved Scoop and not Scoob...y.  Then the story didn't change.  Julia posted as Scoop, also.

[Buckeye]

Good afternoon all- going one step back, beyond everyone needing a cell phone while on the island. What call is CC being asked to confirm? Why is any one at that point in time looking for cell phone company owners when you are missing from a bar with 3 strangers? Why is he the number one contact for missing persons on that  island? Lastly do they still use him for finding missing persons now?

Hi Kiwi,
I listened to the interview on FOX again yesterday.  Did he not say that there was a phone call made to the US that they were trying to locate the origin of? I too would like to know why CC was the first point of contact, but he states that it was with regard to his ownership of the cell business and his ability to assist with a phone or number. Hmmmmmm. Anyone know what call he is talking about?  You think Greta asked him?

 

One of the MB students, I believe Wm Morris, received a strange call on his voice message.  That call was listened to several times.  I think, in the family/question meeting, that call was debunked, but I could be wrong.

[Buckeye]

Was reading some old sites, last night.  Read a couple interesting things that I don't remember.  Joran had gone on Aruban radio and said J Taco was working pro bono because he was so interested in the case.  This was around the time that O'Rielly debunked that myth (Joe T said the VDS and their supporters were paying him).

Then they talked about Joran's TV appearances.  Seems the networks made a donation to his defense fund.  Reminded me of the hospital.  When a drug company wanted to promote, it was taboo....but they could make a donation to the education fund and that fund could pay for food and entertainment.   

[Kiwi]

Good afternoon all- going one step back, beyond everyone needing a cell phone while on the island. What call is CC being asked to confirm? Why is any one at that point in time looking for cell phone company owners when you are missing from a bar with 3 strangers? Why is he the number one contact for missing persons on that  island? Lastly do they still use him for finding missing persons now?

Hi Kiwi,
I listened to the interview on FOX again yesterday.  Did he not say that there was a phone call made to the US that they were trying to locate the origin of? I too would like to know why CC was the first point of contact, but he states that it was with regard to his ownership of the cell business and his ability to assist with a phone or number. Hmmmmmm. Anyone know what call he is talking about?  You think Greta asked him?

 

So still this goes back to CC saying this. If one of the MB students said he got a strange call on voice message still it is a reach when searching for someone missing 24 hours only. Some how I would feel better about not just giving into CC's recall of involvement, rather than if it were a lead the family came up with, 100% on their own. Its 2 years later and we can't trust who's side the players were on, even now.

[klaasend]

Was reading some old sites, last night.  Read a couple interesting things that I don't remember.  Joran had gone on Aruban radio and said J Taco was working pro bono because he was so interested in the case.  This was around the time that O'Rielly debunked that myth (Joe T said the VDS and their supporters were paying him).

Then they talked about Joran's TV appearances.  Seems the networks made a donation to his defense fund.  Reminded me of the hospital.  When a drug company wanted to promote, it was taboo....but they could make a donation to the education fund and that fund could pay for food and entertainment.   

Yep and this letter was posted, plus the information posted at FOB and RU:

[klaasend]

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2008/01/21/daily36.html?t=printable

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 1:37 PM CST
Valero suffers refinery fire in Caribbean
San Antonio Business Journal

Valero Energy Corp. officials experienced a fire Friday in the company's Aruba refinery in the Caribbean. As a result, the entire refinery has been shut down.

The fire began in a vacuum tower of the refinery at around 9:45 a.m. Central time and firefighters in Aruba extinguished the fire at 11:15 a.m. One Valero employee was treated for heat exhaustion, but no injuries were reported. All non-essential personnel have been sent home. The refinery employs 775 individuals.

As of Friday afternoon, Valero workers have only begun assessing the impact of this incident. The cause of the fire remains under investigation.

Valero spokesman Bill Day says it is too early to give a timetable as to how long the refinery units will remain down. The 275,000 barrel-per-day refinery has the ability of running independently of the vacuum tower.

San Antonio-based Valero (NYSE: VLO) is an oil refining and marketing company with operations in the United States, Canada and the Caribbean.

[klaasend]

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2008/01/21/daily36.html?t=printable

Friday, January 25, 2008 - 1:37 PM CST
Valero suffers refinery fire in Caribbean
San Antonio Business Journal

Valero Energy Corp. officials experienced a fire Friday in the company's Aruba refinery in the Caribbean. As a result, the entire refinery has been shut down.

The fire began in a vacuum tower of the refinery at around 9:45 a.m. Central time and firefighters in Aruba extinguished the fire at 11:15 a.m. One Valero employee was treated for heat exhaustion, but no injuries were reported. All non-essential personnel have been sent home. The refinery employs 775 individuals.

As of Friday afternoon, Valero workers have only begun assessing the impact of this incident. The cause of the fire remains under investigation.

Valero spokesman Bill Day says it is too early to give a timetable as to how long the refinery units will remain down. The 275,000 barrel-per-day refinery has the ability of running independently of the vacuum tower.

San Antonio-based Valero (NYSE: VLO) is an oil refining and marketing company with operations in the United States, Canada and the Caribbean.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3584/5/

Candela den planta di Valero       
Friday, 25 January 2008 

12.00 Algo pasa di 11 or di mainta habitantenan di San Nicolas a mira hopi huma y candela den e planta di Valero. E prome informacion tabata indica cu lo mester trata di un explosion, pero na e momentonan aki nos por compronde cu ta un koker di gasolin ta na candela. E team di bombero di Valero mes ta trahando pa combati e candela. Si en caso nan no por hasi esaki nan lo pidi ayudo di bombero di gobierno. Na e momentonan aki e planta a hasi un "emergency shut down" y te cu awor no tin ningun herido.Click read more pa mas imagen.

[Kiwi]

What I'm looking for is very specific. Did Eric Williams suggest calling CC because of a discussion of phone messages started by Natalee's parents? Or did he just think to check phone records for the whole island that night randomly? This does make a difference in determining possible friend or foe.

[Kiwi]

Good to hear no one was hurt with regards to the fire.

[klaasend]

Good to hear no one was hurt with regards to the fire.

Yes, I'm glad nobody was seriously injured as well.

Don't have an answer for you on your CC/Williams question, wish I did.

[Kiwi]

Good to hear no one was hurt with regards to the fire.

Yes, I'm glad nobody was seriously injured as well.

Don't have an answer for you on your CC/Williams question, wish I did.

Only those that were there can answer that question. They may have to talk that over to get down to the finer details.

[Magnolia]

What I'm looking for is very specific. Did Eric Williams suggest calling CC because of a discussion of phone messages started by Natalee's parents? Or did he just think to check phone records for the whole island that night randomly? This does make a difference in determining possible friend or foe.

Kiwi....I am not sure we know if somebody with Beth and Jug called Charles Croes
or if they called Eric Williams.  They had the suspicious phone call that they
thought might have come from Aruba.  I think they were looking for the origin
of that call. They thought it might possibably have been Natalee calling for help.
I don't think anybody was thinking of checking phone records for the whole island.
Maybe somebody else can explain better.

[klaasend]

Posted by Glenda at RU.  I think this is saying Hans Mos does not consider Renfro a suspect in the case:

Glenda wrote:

Hans Mos confirms Julia is not Interesting!

[ldstlou]

Good to hear no one was hurt with regards to the fire.

Yes, I'm glad nobody was seriously injured as well.

Don't have an answer for you on your CC/Williams question, wish I did.

I'm trying to get them.

[ldstlou]

Wow!!! Big fire at the Monte Carlo Casino in Vegas!!

[Lala'sMom]

As I understand it the DEA agent called Charles Croes, because he knew him. There was a question about the group getting set up with cell phones.  According to Beth's account in her book, it would appear that this DEA agent offered assistance in that regard on his own.  It would make sense, since they would need to communicate within the island and not just internationally. This is where they drive to the gas station to meet Charles Croes. As Beth recounts he's in a beat up rental car and comments about his Mercedes being in the shop.  That was strange to me.  Croes then proceeds to do the clairvoyant thing on Beth...that is when the entire story becomes bizzare.  Wonder if there was anything ever said to the DEA agent by Beth about what Croes did that night? 

[Kiwi]

Since Eric Williams contacted Charles Croes and he is missing since that night. I'm questioning only the specifics of who suggested what. Actually I was just kidding about anyone checking the phone records for the whole island prior to a crime. Its interesting that the phone guy is getting interviewed  by news stations after 2 years, if his initial involvement was to supply communication equipment.

[Buckeye]

Posted by Glenda at RU.  I think this is saying Hans Mos does not consider Renfro a suspect in the case:

Glenda wrote:

Hans Mos confirms Julia is not Interesting!

In the January 24th edition, there is another article regarding the psychics.

[Tamikosmom]

I speculate that Charles Croes was drawn into all of this when Eric Williams contacted him in regards to Beth's revelation concerning the voice message left on one of MB student's cell ... a voice message that sounded like Natalee.

According to both Beth and Jug's words ... two of the handlers (Alberto Groeneveldt and Claudio Stamper) and ... Charles Croes assisted at the VDS' residence in translating what was being said in regards to Joran's admission to sexual activity with Natalee.

I find it somewhat difficult to comprehend ... if Charles Croes or any of the handlers were ... at that point in time ... VDS informants ... this incriminating information would have been revealed to the Twittys.

Also ... it should be noted that ... according to Beth in LOVING NATALEE ... it was the handlers who had earlier that night found out Joran's last name ... located his Aruban residence ... observed Deepak's vehicle parked behind a locked gate and ... recorded the tag number.

According to Jug's friend ... viet vet ...  the "powers that be" in the coverup put pressure ... in subsequent days ... on those assisting the Natalee's family for answers.  Apparently ... Julia Renfro and Charles Croes bowed to that pressure early on.  However ... the handlers were more faithful.

Janet

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Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 3, 2005

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

J. TWITTY: Oh, yeah. And they talk four different languages down there. So first of all, there is one gentleman who, if somebody would go back and get Charles Cruse (ph), who was with us that night and who spoke to them away from us for about 10 minutes with the uniformed officers, before he came over and translated what Joran said to us -- and Joran speaks all the languages too. But Charles Cruse (ph), in my mind, holds a lot of keys to what happened that night, or what Joran said.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 48
The DEA agent arrives, and all the men gather in a circle in the dirt and gravel driveway area under a streetlight in front of the van der Sloot home.

Alberto and Caudio go back and forth between the group and my car to update me on the conversation.


viet vet
FP Comment
July 4, 2007

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/03/aruba-blames-fbi-beth-jug-dave-the-family-hell-they-blame-you-for-the-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway/

I went to Aruba 3 times, every time by private jet and did go thru the area he mentions. Claudio was in charge of that area as I remember and Alberto worked for Claudio.

All three, Gabriel (his girlfriend too), Alberto, a girl I called Ava (she looked like Ava Gardner) and Claudio traveled with us as ALE sent us on one wild goose chase after another.I met Van Der Stratten on the Wed. after Natalee went missing.

It was very clear to us that the cover-up was in full swing. Claudio, Alberto, and Gabriel all tried to help us and in the beginning Julia Renfro was with us.

After Wed. or Thurs. someone in the governnment or tourism or law enforcement, or more probably all of the above started talked to the people who were trying to help us get some answers. I do remember them talking to some of these people and telling them to watch what they were saying and doing. It appeared they put pretty on anyone they could.

Charles Croes and Julia turned on us fairly quickly, but they did have leverage on them. Claudio, Alberto, and Gabriel were still with us when I left the third time I was there. It was fairly open, Aruba’s powers that be did not want us in their country any longer.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I thought DEA, Williams is speculated to be the 'important' friend of CC.  Did I miss something along the way?