Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[Lala'sMom]

Klaasend:

Have you read the whole Origninal not Fake Simian post. It states clearly where the body was dumped.

Question why iy was not search the area?

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord.


Is this what you are referring to? 

[CapsLockWizard]

Klaasend:

Have you read the whole Origninal not Fake Simian post. It states clearly where the body was dumped.

Question why iy was not search the area?

Yes, I've read them but it's been a while.  Did Simian say Moko or Canashito?  I've forgotten.  The Moko near Joran's house was searched.  Not sure about the Canashito area to be honest.  There were some areas that TES wanted to search but couldn't either because ALE wouldn't let them or it was too muddy like quicksand or it was private property.

Well it says clearley the montana pond.

182.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.
Posted Jun 22, 5:55 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

183.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
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June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?
Posted Jun 22, 5:41 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

184.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.
Posted Jun 22, 5:29 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

185.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.
It is true that one of them tried to off himself.
Posted Jun 22, 5:26 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

if you read it well, the first boy is a casino worker and his alibi is that he was working that day, but tried to off himself.
(he tried to fet the rest of the night off) maybe he went out but never punch out and them come back to work and went to the punch clock and punch then after all has happend out. 

The person that he talks about is a casino worker that went out with Natalee a week before.

also there is a some peace of the riddle missing. from 168 it jumps to 180.

Also this Smian is stating the Montana Apartment where they meet to discuss a plan , this Aprtment complex is in my report.  Not the ....house

[klaasend]

Capslock - TES did search the moko/pond near the Sloot house and if I'm not mistaken the dogs did get a hit but for some reason they had to leave.  Could be they were diverted elsewhere?

[JuJu]

183.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Sounds like Lorenzo and a party at his house MOO

[klaasend]

GOODNIGHT ALL!

[crazybabyborg]

Klaas! If you're still here, did you win while playing with the Indians????

[klaasend]

Klaas! If you're still here, did you win while playing with the Indians????

Nope didn't win, left another deposit.  I hear it's better to give than receive   

Nite!

[crazybabyborg]

Nite, Klaas! As long as you had a good time, you didn't loose! 

[CapsLockWizard]

Here is what I think has happen:

From the casino Joran and the Kalpoes went to C&C while the Casino worker (#5) was left working, #5 tried to off him self with an other worker, then leave the casino to go to this Party place. (the house)

#5 call Joran to meet at this party place. At the party place Natalee overdose on #5, Joran Waited outside at the Party Place gate outside and when the gates open, #5 come out and handed the body of Natalee to Joran. The Kalpoes where there since they have follows Joran from C&C and went waithing at the Dutch own Apartment with the Pool near Joran Home for Joran and the girl to return.

Joran drove to the Pool Apartment and it is here that they plan what to do with the body. meanwhile at the the pool they waited for the girl to come Back to life (but she never retain a heartbeat).

The Apartment in question with the pool is just 5 min walk from Jorans his house.

Around the pool they deside to plan what to do and here is where Joran got cought in this web.

Question why does he lied for this person? Who is this Casino Worker? If he asked to get off that night from work, then he imust be a Dealer Worker or a Supervisor, Managers do not have to request off.

After this Joran at this time desided to despose of the body in Montana body of water.

And here is where he commided a crime with the help of the Kalpoes.

This is my enterpretacion from the Simian post.

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning....bliss...two threads to tango in....

Spooky...please don't turn out the lights....

Caps....TES had to quit searching Moko because it was filled with old appliances and junk. I believe that it became to dangerous for them to go any further, IIRC.

[CapsLockWizard]

Well now it all make sense,

I will let you know more on this case....Hammer and blocks = dopes,

This is a two case events going on at the same time, The first case is the drugs going to or comming from holland  while the feds are in Aruba and the other is the girl NH gone missing at the same time while the feds are in Aruba.

some how the cases intertwine into each other. at this casablanca.

I am rewritting my findings....this is a big clogg and dagger

[MumInOhio]

Well now it all make sense,

I will let you know more on this case....Hammer and blocks = dopes,

This is a two case events going on at the same time, The first case is the drugs going to or comming from holland  while the feds are in Aruba and the other is the girl NH gone missing at the same time while the feds are in Aruba.

some how the cases intertwine into each other. at this casablanca.

I am rewritting my findings....this is a big clogg and dagger

Caps...some believe that there was in fact another investigation going on at the time. We have wondered about the fact that something was caught on tape of that night. The FOP agreement that the US has with Aruba states that anything they found could only be used in the arrests of suspects in drug cases. So if anything was seen or heard in Natalee's case it could not be used against anyone.

[Peaches]

The problem with this post of Gabe's is that Gabe refers to morning.  I think that was simply an error by Gabe but it confuses the matter because nobody is claiming Beth and Jug arrived in the morning.

And from Gabe Leo posted at SM FP January 19, 2008:

....I can say though that their story about Twitty arriving in the morning and not in the night is not true, because I personally know those who were with Twitty and company when they arrived that night.

Maybe he is challenged by the whole A.M. and P.M. thing? 

[MumInOhio]

Found these when the Caribbean Mercantile Bank was discussed....one way to keep up on things....I guess if they explain fully the law and how people are getting around, it would make it easier to avoid being caught.

http://www.moneylaunderingconference.com/2007/testimonials.aspx

And this one....

http://offshoremillionaire.com/refer/291

[MumInOhio]

This was apparently Deepak talking to Mickey John…thought I would repost after the posts on the weekend saying that Natalee was held.

quote
Nancy grace 6/14/2005
MICKEY JOHN, FORMER ARUBA SUSPECT: He told me that the story about dropping the girl off at the Holiday Inn was all made up.

QUESTION: Why? Why would they make it up?

MICKEY JOHN: Because he told me, apparently, that no one -- somebody`s missing, like a young tourist person missing. They find him, like, a few days after at some crack house or with some beach bum. So they thought they would find her three days after. When push come to shove and they couldn`t get her, they decided to target-shoot. He told (ph) his brother (INAUDIBLE) target-shoot.

[Nut44x4]

Joran and Lorenzo definately look like brothers to me.

I see a lot of Anita in Joran..But that picture of Lorenzo definetly looks like PVDS.

I agree with *******. That pix of Lorenzo looks more like PvdS than any I have seen before.

[Tylergal]

Good news on one front, Feds cut interest rate 0.75%

[Magnolia]

 This was posted by MF at RU in Dutch:

Babel Fish Translation   

In English:
Characteristic: 073/2008 Very dear Ms, As a result of several recent press publication in relation to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, itself accustomed Ms Julia Renfro, has present to me you, however, confessed. On the basis of very exhaustive police force research I can communicate you that Ms Renfro has been never commented as a verdachte in this research and until now reason also absolutely no has been that to do, on the contrary. Police force and judicial authorities, after exhaustive research, has not proven to be of only involvement of Ms Renfro, anyhow, at the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Every suggestion in another direction does not rely on facts. It seemed me correctly you communicate this. I should indicate with respect to, however, on fact-based conclusions of Public Prosecution Service on the text of my press conference as given on 20 December 2008. Yours sincerely, Mr. H. F. mos chief public prosecutor
 

[NM]

The problem with this post of Gabe's is that Gabe refers to morning.  I think that was simply an error by Gabe but it confuses the matter because nobody is claiming Beth and Jug arrived in the morning.

And from Gabe Leo posted at SM FP January 19, 2008:

....I can say though that their story about Twitty arriving in the morning and not in the night is not true, because I personally know those who were with Twitty and company when they arrived that night.

Maybe he is challenged by the whole A.M. and P.M. thing? 

Peaches thank you. I'm howling here! You are so funny.

Maybe if he focuses on which big shinny thing is the sun and which one is the moon he can take on the AM/PM thing. Then he can work on the defence between the 2 psychics being from US and aruba promoting/believing/buying their crap!

[klaasend]

Update: Tues 22-Jan 0915 hrs
The Persistence left the dock this morning at 0600 hrs, heading out to deep water. Last night, four replacement survey team members flew in to join the Persistence to relieve crew who has been here since the beginning, over a month ago. Although the new crew brings new energy, losing the battle-proven seasoned crew is bittersweet. Words fail to describe the level of trust and bond between the crew. Despite being in close quarters together since 15-Dec, missing holidays with loved ones, birthdays, anniversaries, rough seas, and many intense situations, NEVER was there a moment of bad tension between any of the crew. I trust the new crew will quickly bond and become seasoned to the terrain and conditions- both above and below the waves.
Happy Birthday sis - You're loved and missed.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/