Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 - 1/25/08

[robots]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

Yes 

ok

thank you, you are the best

was he also the card dealer ?

He was also the one with the Heavy Battery charge.

yes, angry guido with the pricy lawyer

joran aint protecting just guido

joran is protecting joran

[private eye]

thank you to all

i knew the answers - just wanted to make sure you all were not sleeping

 


guido was a cheater- that is where joran was making his money

guido has his hands all over this

I think he was in the know at least. It should be an easy task to verify the status of Guido and Joran the next day at school. They either were there or not, were acting tired, starnge or not, scratched, bruised or not, and there were plenty of adults and students, grades, tests to validate this. This shouldn't be a mystery. But as far as I know, it is:)))))))))))

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom's musings ... musings that include all seven detained  suspects as well as Freddy.

Janet

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OCKHAM'S RAZOR
"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."


1.  Freddy is waiting at the VDS' residence ... with his camera ... when Satish, Deepak and Joran arrive with a drugged Natalee after leaving Carlos 'N Charles'.

2.  Guido and Steve Croes arrives in a separate vehicle at approximately the same time.

3.  A sexual assault ensues.

4.  In an attempt to escape a gang rape Natalee sustains a head injury administred by Guildo.

5.  The decision is made to take Natalee to the beach where she can sleep it off and ... make her own way to the HI in time to catch her flight back home.

6.  Freddy remains at the VDS' residence.

7.  Joran, Deepak and Guildo ... enroute to the beach ... drops Satish off at home.

8.  Deepak drops off Joran, Guildo and a "passed out" Natalee at the beach while he parks his vehicle a short distance away at the tennis club.

9.  However ... Guido and Joran realize that Natalee is deceased. 

10.  Leaving a deceased Natalee on the beach ... Joran and Guido run across the street to where Deepak is waiting.

11.  A panicked discussion ensues.  When it is considered that Joran, Deepak and Satish were observed leaving Carlos 'n Charlie's  ... the injury and the DNA evidence on Natalee's person could be very incriminating.

12.  Paulus is contacted.

13.  The gardener enters the picture.  He observes Joran, Deepak and Freddy in the parked vehicle.

14.  Paulus arrives and ... accesses the situation.

15.  Assistance in moving a deceased Natalee is required.  GVC is contacted as he has access to a Beach Patrol pickup.

16.  Deepak and Guido leave the scene.

17.  Joran remains with Paulus and GVC.  Natalee is placed in the white pickup and driven to Lorenzo's home..

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Mickey John:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Obviously ... the prosecutor knew that Natalee Holloway was deceased and ... were attempting to frame the Security Guards in their efforts to protect Paulus and Joran.


Abraham Jones:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Obviously ... the prosecutor knew that Natalee Holloway was deceased and ... were attempting to frame the Security Guards in their efforts to protect Paulus and Joran.


Joran van der Sloot:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.


Deepak Kalpoe:    Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.


Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.


Steve Croes:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.
 

Paulus van der Sloot:  complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

Obviously ... the prosecutor was aware that Paulus had assisted Joran in a coverup following death of Natalee Holloway.


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt:  criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

GVC's role consisted of provided the white pickup that was required to move Natalee from the Marriott beach.


Guido Weaver:  Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen.

While still at the VDS' resident ... Guido struck Natalee with an aluminum bat.


Freddy Arambatzis: Suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor.

Freddy was detained on suspicion unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.  Suspicions that involved a minor and ... a camera.  Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case probably involved only his camer.


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Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

[Kat_Gram]

Yes, Robots you are correct, Guido who had nothing to do with this, was interviewed by the ALE in June, he went to Holland, was interviewed there and then he was arrested on suspicion. One of the suspicions was heavy battery. Gerard Spong was his lawyer. He is one of the best lawyers in Holland and in all of the EU I suspect. He was part of the defense of Milosevic.
But, GUIDO had nothing to do with it.
After Guido was released, Joran phoned him. That came right out of Joe T's mouth to your ear via Greata's show.
And he had nothing to do with it. Got it ?
ps I always hire the best criminal lawyer in the land when I have to defend myself against nothing.

[robots]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

oh, yes.  purported to be the most expensive lawyer in holland.
dennisintn

yes, most revealing

aint it 

[private eye]

And what was the basis of that charge? Somebody had to offer some evidence, credible or not. Except in Aruba:))))))))

[robots]

Yes, Robots you are correct, Guido who had nothing to do with this, was interviewed by the ALE in June, he went to Holland, was interviewed there and then he was arrested on suspicion. One of the suspicions was heavy battery. Gerard Spong was his lawyer. He is one of the best lawyers in Holland and in all of the EU I suspect. He was part of the defense of Milosevic.
But, GUIDO had nothing to do with it.
After Guido was released, Joran phoned him. That came right out of Joe T's mouth to your ear via Greata's show.
And he had nothing to do with it. Got it ?
ps I always hire the best criminal lawyer in the land when I have to defend myself against nothing.

 

[San]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

Yes 

ok

thank you, you are the best

was he also the card dealer ?

He was also the one with the Heavy Battery charge.

yes, angry guido with the pricy lawyer

joran aint protecting just guido

joran is protecting joran

I agree.

[private eye]

I believe that Robot can see much further into the future and more intimately with the dead than the Danny and Kelly. So far that I can bet he can hear Joran screaming, "Oh no Bubba, please no, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" in the near future. I bet he can also hear Natalee saying, "shut up and take it like a man you punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[private eye]

That is a remarkably plausible scenario!!!!!

[Dayhiker]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

Yes....he is the one who worked at the casino, sold his car and fled to NL
 about a week after Natalee disappeared.

Why would he have scratches on his face the morning after? Is Guido really gay or a bi-sexual like Joran? Did Guido leave work early that night? Was it Guido that had a four-wheeler they looked at when he was finally arrested? Why would Guido sell his car and flee to Holland if he had nothing to do with it?

Lot of questions about Guido.

[texasmom]

Amigo and Its Readers

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You have no idea what pain and suffering is if you think for one minute that you and your fellow buffoons have been victimized by Beth. Your country needs to hire an expert who can give all of your citizens and the island's supporters a course of civilization and the art of decency. Until that time, your country should be isolated as the leper colonies were and left to your incestuous in breeding program that has populated your country creating the simpletons and idiots that you all appear to be. Oh, and once you are squarely quarantined, please roll out the violence and do the world a favor, exterminate yourselves.

Or simply get your heads out of your asses and act right for a change!!!!!!!!!

   GREAT POST! 

[private eye]

While I think that was excellent logic, I think that possibly the only difference I believe is that the boys buried her by the fishermans hut, and Paulus and Co moved her without the boys knowledge because of Joran's confession and the fact the boys recorded conversation indicate they don't know where she is now. Also, if Lorenzo is involved, maybe Guido was there only the party was at Lorenzo's?

[Dayhiker]

And what was the basis of that charge? Somebody had to offer some evidence, credible or not. Except in Aruba:))))))))

You know the answer to that PI. If they arrest him he can lie all he wants and not be charged as a lying witness. Same as GVC. Compliments of Prosecutor Karin Jannsen. Who also has fled to Holland.

[private eye]

Amigo and Its Readers

[/b]

You have no idea what pain and suffering is if you think for one minute that you and your fellow buffoons have been victimized by Beth. Your country needs to hire an expert who can give all of your citizens and the island's supporters a course of civilization and the art of decency. Until that time, your country should be isolated as the leper colonies were and left to your incestuous in breeding program that has populated your country creating the simpletons and idiots that you all appear to be. Oh, and once you are squarely quarantined, please roll out the violence and do the world a favor, exterminate yourselves.

Or simply get your heads out of your asses and act right for a change!!!!!!!!!

   GREAT POST! 

But you know, it is a horrible situation that defines that as a great posts:(  I always lile to give people options:)

[texasmom]

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

Yes....he is the one who worked at the casino, sold his car and fled to NL
 about a week after Natalee disappeared.

Why would he have scratches on his face the morning after? Is Guido really gay or a bi-sexual like Joran? Did Guido leave work early that night? Was it Guido that had a four-wheeler they looked at when he was finally arrested? Why would Guido sell his car and flee to Holland if he had nothing to do with it?

Lot of questions about Guido.

So true! 

[Dayhiker]

Dayhiker ... I wonder what "other story" Anita would like to see investigated.  It appears to me to be the Young and Castillo story.  It is ironic ... Anita's words mimic Rudy Croes' words ... THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY.

Janet

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LOL, looks like the OTHER STORY raised up like a cobra and bit them on the ass, Janet. I can hear the early conversations between Renho and Anita, whispering how these two psychos were going to help the golden boy over stale beer at Carlos & Charlies. There would be giggles. Who's smiling now?

And who coordinated the psychos with AHATA? Must have been Renho and Anita. Renho was their tour guide when they first came to the island. She hung out with them, helped mold the OTHER STORY.

[Dayhiker]

Amigo and Its Readers

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You have no idea what pain and suffering is if you think for one minute that you and your fellow buffoons have been victimized by Beth. Your country needs to hire an expert who can give all of your citizens and the island's supporters a course of civilization and the art of decency. Until that time, your country should be isolated as the leper colonies were and left to your incestuous in breeding program that has populated your country creating the simpletons and idiots that you all appear to be. Oh, and once you are squarely quarantined, please roll out the violence and do the world a favor, exterminate yourselves.

Or simply get your heads out of your asses and act right for a change!!!!!!!!!

   GREAT POST! 

Think of the money they have lost protecting a handfull of shits. Countless, hundreds of millions of income gone up in smoke. Money they will never get back. Wrecked their reputaion. Exposed their criminal elements to the world. Aruba is permanently marked as a corrupt, unsafe cesspool.

All for a handfull of shits they didn't have the balls to prosecute. And it ain't over yet.

[Lala'sMom]

What did Guido's parents do for a living? Do we know?

[robots]

i still think joran was using Guido's car that night

the injuries and death occured in guido's death machine vehicle


and to the average person it would appear guido killer her because it was guido's car, but joran had the car that night at least for awhile

thats why joran was telling lies about how he got home... guido drove him
but the evidence was in guido's car

guido is stuck, joran is stuck