Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 - 1/29/08

[robots]

aruba is sinking into their own


i spoke with a travel agent yesterday- aruba travel is slow
 

[robots]

what better way to gather information ?

pretend to help the family from the get go but you are really trying to find out what the family knows for information


hmmmmmmmmmm

sound familiar

[Slogger]

Article from arubahuis for May/June 2005, case coverage.

http://www.arubahuis.nl/documents/noticiero/2005mei-juni.pdf


CABINET OF THE AGENT MINISTER VAN ARUBA R.J. SCHIMMELPENNINCKLAAN 1.2517 JN THE HAGUE TEL.: (070) 356.62.00 Aruba left with vermiste...... American teenager Natalee Holloway


Complete Aruba keeps track of Natalee Holloway the events around the vermissing of the American teenager little girl. The island left intesiefmee; several saint missing has been dedicated in the hope that the little girl is found. Holloway have been since 30 May last. Vermist after a holiday of a number of days in Aruba. So far levies justice five suspected arrested. Since its vermissing Natalee Holloway ` breaking news have been on all American television senders. About seventy American journalists are in Aruba follow the matter. Also Natalee's parents its to Aruba come of near the developments be able follow. Agent minister mevr. Ella tromp Yarzagaray speak the hope from which this matter for both the family and for Aruba is rapidly solved.

Natalee with about hundred other school friends from Mountain Brooke high school had come to Aruba celebrate that they succeeded products for their middle school. The group stayed in the Holiday Inn hotel. According to witness declarations Natalee on the evening for its disappearance in the local bar Carlos & were; Charlies's and left the bar vervolgens with three boys. More later products these three boys taken up, because they will have considered Natalee possibly as lasts still in life. More later products beveiligingsbeambten also two, which work at a hotel beside the Holiday Inn, arrested. Meanwhile they have been released and are the three boys, J. of of the ditch, S. Kalpoe and D. Kalpoe still in voorarrest. Moreover also a dj of party boat tattoo, S. Croes have been arrested concerning this matter and recently also the father of J. of of the ditch, the judge in training P. of of the ditch. Meanwhile he and S. Croes have been released.

The local authorities have aid of FBI agents who have come to Aruba and of experts of the forensic institute from the Netherlands in the search to vermiste little girl. More than 700 volunteers 6 June of Aruba Monday afternoon in search of aanwijzigingen concerning the disappearance of the American studente Natalee have combed Holloway. The North - and East coast, Seroe Colorado and the national park Arikok has been searched closely. Around two hours collected

Itself at the sport complex of Santa Cruz hundreds of citizens, soldiers, marechaussees, members of the Visibility team, the Warda nos Costa and parkrangers of Arikok. Under the citizens a lot of civil servants were. They had given interview to a recall of the minister of justice, Rudy Croes. He had said that every civil servant who participates to the search savage was exempted for this from service. Croes were themselves also present and spoke with the press concerning the aim of the massive search operation. ` the community shows that sea r wants everything to do nom Holloway, thus find Croes

All large television - and radio stations in the United States bring the last bulletins concerning the search to the current link to Natalee Holloway on the baffle. It happens however much more often that Americans disappear without the media give to that much attention. The question is what disappearing Holloway to headline neiuws makes in America?

Internationally report donor Michael Norton levies a theory for which net disappears of Natalee Holloway such important news becomes is, anyway in the United States: ` save that ditz o large have become lie among others that Holloway the belichaming of miss America is. But them is fair, beautiful, intelligent, assured, does benevolence, is nice, is member of the bible club, comes from a neat, warm family, calls on. She is the American Dream. She goes on holiday to an island which is seen already seen of the most safe spots on ground, but says a paradise, and there vedwijnt them. Miss America is Missing. (read further on page 2)

Tourists who are now on Aruba say be on their hoede. Of real fear however no talk is, people consider it happened generally already seen onfortuinlijk incident. In several programmes on the American television visitors could be heard. Generally one is extremely enthusiastic concerning Aruba. Also at ATA flow prove to be of medeleven and the thankses within. A seizure from the responses:

` thank for everything what you do concerning the vermissing of Natalee. ` our heartfelt excuses for what concerning Aruba spreads some television senders for unpleasant things. ` for us are Aruba the most safe place on ground. We come there already thirteen years. ` we come for years on Aruba and have been never approached with drugs. However, we have seen that tourists were of drugs in search.

Minister-president Nelson Oduber (MEP) kept a press conference for the international press. The minister-president tried nuance the reporting concerning Aruba in the international media by among others indicating how hard the arubaanse authorities has worked the previous years for combating drug crime and launders.

Oduber said themselves disturb to the tone which the news on some American senders begintaan to take. Especially on fox News Aruba in some reportages is depicted already seen dangerous spot with overall drugs, where women disappear regularly.

The premier told with its vrous long with the parents of Natalee Holloway to have spoken. He said that the matter him if father strongly attracts also personal. Mr Oduber emphasised close cooperation which there is always with the American authorities. Also he mentioned its recent visit to the united State where he both with minister Condoleeza Rice and with the governor of Alabam concerning the vermissing of Holloway heft talked.

Other international press distances himself moreover of the tendentious reporting on fox, Michael Norton van Associated Press IAP): ` I think that Aruba has been suffered still exactly as safe as two weeks. This is simply a case of breakdown. Really not all media think that this is a drug paradise. The most of our think that Aruba is a terrible island with pleasant people whom only now the breakdown levies that this happened here. Also a journalist of CBS wants emphasise that the tale of premier Oduber cannot be intended for CBS be. we do not depict Aruba badly, and that also in the future will do.

At for the perse of this number are possible new developments have to are occurred.

 
 
 

[Dayhiker]

After all the comments about the Shango thread...LOL it's not his/her thread...ask Lala's.... I thought I would bring this over that I found when I followed one of COLUMBOS'S 'clues'.

quote.....
Found this in a link that Columbo left the other day....still don't know what does or doesn't hold water, but this is a weird thing for Nadira or Satish to say. Remember she and Luis were questioned June 2nd and Luis again on the 18th.

This is from June 23rd CNN...

Satish Kalpoe to mom: 'We didn't do anything'

The mother of the Kalpoes said Thursday that one son had admitted he and his brother made up a cover story to protect Joran Van Der Sloot.

Nadira Ramirez told CNN she was permitted to visit son Satish Kalpoe at Aruba's prison within the past week. She stressed that the teen told her their story was not planned ahead of Holloway's disappearance, and she had no advance knowledge of it.

Uh yup, it is well proven they made up the Holiday Inn story before it was known Natalee was missing and prior to the family ever arriving in Aruba.

Kinda blows all those stinking stories about earlier plane flights, secret Medjet landings, etcetera out of the water doesn't it?

Why would Joran and the Kalpoes need a false story if they didn't know Natalee was missing?

[private eye]

The gang's all here for the memorial for Betico Croes. Anyone recognize the Fat guy next to Oduber?  He doesn't look Aruban to me or part of the MEP,look's more like a Italian or Colombian.MO

I don't know but his "date" looks dressed very "festive" for a funeral.  I think of Idstlou's sig. line: "Get inside my belly"

How hard is it to find a pair of pants that are 40W and 30L?

lol so mip6 has some competition?

There very presence disrespects his very memory as he truly believed the future of Aruba was tourism and his own son and brother have sold out the island in pursuit of personal enrichment to the drug lords, and it is his guilt of the above crime that has allowed the Dutch locals to force his cooperation in the coverup to protect this Dutch punk despite the harm to Aruba.

[Dayhiker]

I don't know but his "date" looks dressed very "festive" for a funeral.  I think of Idstlou's sig. line: "Get inside my belly"
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How hard is it to find a pair of pants that are 40W and 30L?
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lol so mip6 has some competition?
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There very presence disrespects his very memory as he truly believed the future of Aruba was tourism and his own son and brother have sold out the island in pursuit of personal enrichment to the drug lords, and it is his guilt of the above crime that has allowed the Dutch locals to force his cooperation in the coverup to protect this Dutch punk despite the harm to Aruba.
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They all would look more apropos wearing prison stripes in a police line-up since all are corrupt as hell, especial that turd Eddie Briesen.

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/26/monkeys-rule-and-british-memory-champion-ben-pridmore-drools-amyumu-the-chimpanzee-trounced-a-british-memory-champion/

Monkeys Rule and British Memory Champion Ben Pridmore Drools … Amyumu the Chimpanzee Trounced a British Memory Champion

[downloadingdaddy]

After all the comments about the Shango thread...LOL it's not his/her thread...ask Lala's.... I thought I would bring this over that I found when I followed one of COLUMBOS'S 'clues'.

quote.....
Found this in a link that Columbo left the other day....still don't know what does or doesn't hold water, but this is a weird thing for Nadira or Satish to say. Remember she and Luis were questioned June 2nd and Luis again on the 18th.

This is from June 23rd CNN...

Satish Kalpoe to mom: 'We didn't do anything'

The mother of the Kalpoes said Thursday that one son had admitted he and his brother made up a cover story to protect Joran Van Der Sloot.

Nadira Ramirez told CNN she was permitted to visit son Satish Kalpoe at Aruba's prison within the past week. She stressed that the teen told her their story was not planned ahead of Holloway's disappearance, and she had no advance knowledge of it.

Uh yup, it is well proven they made up the Holiday Inn story before it was known Natalee was missing and prior to the family ever arriving in Aruba.

Kinda blows all those stinking stories about earlier plane flights, secret Medjet landings, etcetera out of the water doesn't it?

Why would Joran and the Kalpoes need a false story if they didn't know Natalee was missing?

Answer: They wouldn't And defending them is what is making Aruba a laughing stock.

[Red]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/26/monkeys-rule-and-british-memory-champion-ben-pridmore-drools-amyumu-the-chimpanzee-trounced-a-british-memory-champion/

Monkeys Rule and British Memory Champion Ben Pridmore Drools … Amyumu the Chimpanzee Trounced a British Memory Champion

Amyumu the chimpanzee trounced a British memory champion in a memory contest. As if they needed to do this test for memory supremacy. All one had to do was ask Aruban officials, suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and those that wish to spin the stories how good monkeys memories are. They have been righting wrongs and correcting lies for 2+ years. Word to the wise … don’t ever question a monkeys memory. Don’t ever challenge a monkey to a memory contest when armed with a computer … some people never learn.

[MuffyBee]

Klaasend:
 
Maybe the Holiday Casino Owners was promised the operation of the Casino in the Ritz Carlton

I smell The AHATA Group has someting on their sleeves.

I Also believe now his Lordship was one that suppose to bring the money and close the deal.

If I recall The Prime Minster , Nelson always keep boosting that he will bring the Ritz to Aruba. so he must be also in the band. (the whole MEP Cabinet and Parlament is corrupt, Including the Prime Minster). I do believe now also that the reason he is Traveling up and Down is to make sure he find some one to pay for what ever open debt they have with the MOP.

This will be the end of the crooks. No wonder they made Aruba so expensive to Live..They needed money to pay some one...it is all an stage...they have not done notting for the boy that is missing and I find it very strange... Maybe he did know something and he got vanished like Natalee. 

huummm

Wow.

Great English syntax here.

I used to think like that too Sharon.  Until I realized English may not be the first language for a lot of people...

[Tamikosmom]

Uh yup, it is well proven they made up the Holiday Inn story before it was known Natalee was missing and prior to the family ever arriving in Aruba.

Kinda blows all those stinking stories about earlier plane flights, secret Medjet landings, etcetera out of the water doesn't it?

Why would Joran and the Kalpoes need a false story if they didn't know Natalee was missing?

Dayhiker ... Peter Devries said it best on the P&W Show ... the P&W Show which hosted Paulus, Anita and Joran as guests.

Janet

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Translation: EURobert - FP Comments
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2522.msg328035;topicseen#msg328035

Peter Devries
P&W SHOE
January 11, 2008

Pauw: Peter… Peter you a father of a teenager, well maybe that’s a bit insipid, father of a young daughter… You can imagine you do something… leaving a girl at the beach… Let’s just tell I decently brought her back…. Such a little lie you can imagine can you?

Peter: No, I can’t imagine that Jeroen… I think you must try to see the psychology behind that. When he doesn’t know what has happened to that girl and she, after she slept away her drunkenness, simply shows up again then he is really caught lying! The fact that he nevertheless tells this lie you can interpret as: he knew he wouldn’t get caught telling this lie. Because he knew Natalee wouldn’t show up again!

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/26/monkeys-rule-and-british-memory-champion-ben-pridmore-drools-amyumu-the-chimpanzee-trounced-a-british-memory-champion/

Monkeys Rule and British Memory Champion Ben Pridmore Drools … Amyumu the Chimpanzee Trounced a British Memory Champion

Amyumu the chimpanzee trounced a British memory champion in a memory contest. As if they needed to do this test for memory supremacy. All one had to do was ask Aruban officials, suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and those that wish to spin the stories how good monkeys memories are. They have been righting wrongs and correcting lies for 2+ years. Word to the wise … don’t ever question a monkeys memory. Don’t ever challenge a monkey to a memory contest when armed with a computer … some people never learn.

I had to laugh yesterday when Renfro posted the Solo di Pueblo article.  Someone over at RU said "what is Solo di Pueblo, I've never heard of them".  I thought to myself, after almost 3 years following the case they never heard of Solo di Pueblo?  Just shows you how superficial some of these posters are.  They read what is posted at RU and never do their own research.

 

[klaasend]

Fixed the "looping" problem and the size problem.  Click on the play button:   


<a href="http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/PretzerCommentary5.swf" target="_blank">http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/PretzerCommentary5.swf</a>

[Tylergal]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/26/monkeys-rule-and-british-memory-champion-ben-pridmore-drools-amyumu-the-chimpanzee-trounced-a-british-memory-champion/

Monkeys Rule and British Memory Champion Ben Pridmore Drools … Amyumu the Chimpanzee Trounced a British Memory Champion

I have been hearing an awful lot lately about monkey recall and analysis, and this definitely speaks to the monkeys being smart but the author has not met our head monkey Klaas, or he/she would be writing about Klaas' memory. 

[Nut44x4]

snipped from KLAAS [/quote]

I had to laugh yesterday when Renfro posted the Solo di Pueblo article.  Someone over at RU said "what is Solo di Pueblo, I've never heard of them".  I thought to myself, after almost 3 years following the case they never heard of Solo di Pueblo?  Just shows you how superficial some of these posters are.  They read what is posted at RU and never do their own research.

 
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YES!!! ITA Klaas!! 

[San]

Fixed the "looping" problem and the size problem.  Click on the play button:   


<a href="http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/PretzerCommentary5.swf" target="_blank">http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/PretzerCommentary5.swf</a>

Klaas this is great. 

[klaasend]

Thanks San, I'm getting there 

Now if I can just figure out how to make my own radio buttons (play, forward, reverse, stop) Then I can make special monkeys ones, lol 

[private eye]

Aruba, it is simple to bring the Ritz to Aruba,

SERVE BETH A PLATTER OF "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE" AND PROVIDE A JUST ENVIRONMENT FOR YOUR CITIZENS AND TOURISTS. SO SIMPLE AND AFFORDABLE.

MUCH BETTER THAN SPENDING MILLIONS DEFENDING VIOLENT, PERVERTED, BUFFOONS.

ANITA, IF JORAN DOESN'T TELL THE AUTHORITIES WHAT HAPPENED SOON, I WAS TOLD BY A PSYCHIC THAT THEY ARE POSITIVE THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THEIR CALENDERS TO SEE WHEN THEY HAVE SOME FREE TIME TO VOLUNTEER TO EXTRACT THE INFORMATION FROM HIM.

THINK OTHERWISE OR DISMISS AS CRAZY? WHY DON'T YOU WISH IN ONE HAND AND POOP IN THE OTHER AND SEE WHICH HAND FILLS UP FIRST, THE PSYCHIC TOLD ME.

HE IS NOT ESCAPING PROVIDING ANSWERS AND FACING CONSEQUENCES ACCORDING TO THIS PSYCHIC. IT IS YOUR CHOICE, MOTHER. YOU CORRECT JORAN OR OTHERS WILL DO IT FOR YOU THE PSYCHIC SAID.

NATALEE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE, ACCORDING TO THE PSYCHIC.

Psychics, I don't believe in them personally, but those in the know in Aruba may know more about this type of medium than I.

[private eye]

Aruba, it is simple to bring the Ritz to Aruba,

SERVE BETH A PLATTER OF "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE" AND PROVIDE A JUST ENVIRONMENT FOR YOUR CITIZENS AND TOURISTS. SO SIMPLE AND AFFORDABLE.

MUCH BETTER THAN SPENDING MILLIONS DEFENDING VIOLENT, PERVERTED, BUFFOONS.

ANITA, IF JORAN DOESN'T TELL THE AUTHORITIES WHAT HAPPENED SOON, I WAS TOLD BY A PSYCHIC THAT THEY ARE POSITIVE THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THEIR CALENDERS TO SEE WHEN THEY HAVE SOME FREE TIME TO VOLUNTEER TO EXTRACT THE INFORMATION FROM HIM.

THINK OTHERWISE OR DISMISS AS CRAZY? WHY DON'T YOU WISH IN ONE HAND AND POOP IN THE OTHER AND SEE WHICH HAND FILLS UP FIRST, THE PSYCHIC TOLD ME.

HE IS NOT ESCAPING PROVIDING ANSWERS AND FACING CONSEQUENCES ACCORDING TO THIS PSYCHIC. IT IS YOUR CHOICE, MOTHER. YOU CORRECT JORAN OR OTHERS WILL DO IT FOR YOU THE PSYCHIC SAID.

NATALEE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE, ACCORDING TO THE PSYCHIC.

Psychics, I don't believe in them personally, but those in the know in Aruba may know more about this type of medium than I.

ALL IT WILL TAKE IS ONE MORE ENCOUNTER WITH PETER DEVRIES, ONE MORE INTERVIEW. DO YOU WANT TO RISK IT?

[CapsLockWizard]

Good day All Monkeys,

My eye are tired, brain cells are all on fire, excuse me for sometimes for posting typing errors or not perfect grammer, while trying to solve the riddle. My brain cell + 4 Computers are thinking in all possible scenarios, Current events, Political Events, Time Lines etc at the same time tried to ask questions, type, Decode, reassemble, re-analysis and reading information written from diffrent source of document written in 4 diffrent languages (DUTCH, PAPIAMENTO, SPANISH, ENGLISH can makes for these errors.

it is like trying to watch a Harry Potter Movie at High speed forward, understand a scenario and then rewind to put it in normal speed to read it while keeping on eye where you have heard or see a similarity in a scene that is going to happend or in this case already happend and not forgetting the questions asked to the SM Board to input in the instant flash scenarios that my synaptic are given me back.

I will solve this riddle. 

and overview of the riddle movie that I see already in the making for what I have discovered from this riddle is:

it's a DRAMA, Suspense and Mystery movie all wrap in a deal package involving a Simple Conspiracy to get the MONEY to build the promised Ritz Carlton Hotel from and Self centered Egotistic Prime Minster and its Ministers Gangster WARS between the DUTCH PAIRLAMENTS and the Aruba Government for not given them to the MONEY for the sell of the PlantationBay Project.

Scene: Kiddnap a USA born Tourist and in this form force the DUTCH GOVERNMENT to release the MONEY and Also with the help from some one in the AHATA's well established MOB Controlled Tourist Enterprises to stage a KIDNAPP turning in a MURDER SCENE, with the promise to the actors in a form of a payback.

Resulting in EXTORTION MONEY GAINED to keep everyone happy. but leaving a real Victim in this case.

It must be playout as a real live event: REPOTERS and ACTORS, JUDGES, need to be to be there.

Consequences for the Bussines and Economies (TEEPEES) which will be hurting.

Fallback plan:
Will be the implementation of a Fiscal reform to get more money from the businesses in Aruba. The Fiscal  Reform that even the DUTCH PARLAMENT has thrown out the window because it hurts the economy. Anyone that has establish a business and have worked hard would not like to loose their business will comply by this Legal form of Extortion.

The Harvest: More Money from the Aruba and USA well establish enterprises. 120 thousant living souls and 2 + millions from other part of the world.
 
What we need to find out is who is playing what Part in the names in this Extortion / Murder movie.

Why they did it, MONEY
For What was the MONEY: A promised Project

My mom (77) says allways that "even strong jeans, if wear to much will get torn apart, but when washed, the fabric will come lose and when put through the dryer, the heat is so hot, that the fabric come loose and shreds"

so let them keep wearing the lies and we will keep washing till the fabric come loose, and when we applied the heat (the questions?), we will see all the lies and the monkeys can shred them by applying US Justice for all who is in the part.

My Task is to Decode and with help of other Monkeys we will Prevail for Natalee so that she can REST IN PEACE.


Klassend:

The Bondia newspaper this morning, Julia Renfro is getting herself out of the mess with a letter from the O.M. Aruba.
We have not even start the washing cycle yet and already she want to put protected armor coating on her self.

If she is clean there is no need for protected coating

THE CODEBREAKER

aha...