Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 - 1/29/08

[bleachedblack]

Interesting post , nothing more nothing less.........

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charlescroes
Tuesday, March 22nd, 2005, 05:10 PM
Just another Marriott money grab , hopfully it will take another 2 or 3 years or LONGER there is not a need for any more hotels, as it is now there are enough.

Just what Aruba needs is a Ritz hotel..


YOu have absolutely NAILED IT!! And the size of your hammer is substantial.

There are several consequenses to consider.

Hotel rooms need to be directly tied to air carrying capacity. If there aren't enough airline companies willing to committ to full year service, then you have a serious problem.
The Tax issue was a Tax Holiday. These are well and good when they start but can be a problem when they end. There is a track record of bad experience in this.
Last but (in my opinion) not least important, the amount of rooms that are currently owned by the Marriott out weigh the norm for an island this small. If for some unheard of and crazy reason, that company decided to pull stakes or make severe policy changes, an exceedingly high percentage of hotel employees are involved. Families and their car and home loans and so forth all will come into play. I recall a good saying about eggs and baskets. This kind of a situation could even give the hotel company (supposed to be in the lodging business) political power.
Put the RITZ Carlton in Tahiti and let's call it even.

These are just my opinions.
charles
arubafastphones.com

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1809.html

[Tamikosmom]

I guess my mind just cannot go to Paulus being involved in anything more than
helping with the disposal and cover up.  It is just too ugly to picture.
I do not think this was a complicated crime.  Only the cover up is complicated.

Magnolia ... I agree.

Although I believe that it is Paulus in the casino recording conversing with Natalee ... I contend that Paulus did not enter the picture again until the "something bad happened".

I think that Paulus' involvement in the coverup is the reason he felt it was important that there was no Natalee/Paulus connection.  In other words ... this is why Joran and Paulus claimed in their declarations and interviews that Paulus left the casino half way through the poker tournament.

However ... Beth knew that there had been a connection ... months prior the the revelation of the leaked security camera recording.

Janet

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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

[Magnolia]

I guess my mind just cannot go to Paulus being involved in anything more than
helping with the disposal and cover up.  It is just too ugly to picture.
I do not think this was a complicated crime.  Only the cover up is complicated.

Magnolia ... I agree.

Although I believe that it is Paulus in the casino recording conversing with Natalee ... I contend that Paulus did not enter the picture again until the "something bad happened".

I think that Paulus' involvement in the coverup is the reason he felt it was important that there was no Natalee/Paulus connection.  In other words ... this is why Joran and Paulus claimed in their declarations and interviews that Paulus left the casino half way through the poker tournament.

However ... Beth knew that there had been a connection ... months prior the the revelation of the leaked security camera recording.

Janet

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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

And the cover up would have never become complicated if Natalee's family had
not arrived so soon and been so persistant in their quest for answers.  That blew
the whole cover up into super mode and one lie lead to another and another.
Then the American press picked up on the story and they were sunk.  There was
no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.  They had all lied and could not admit it.

[Magnolia]

Interesting post , nothing more nothing less.........

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charlescroes
Tuesday, March 22nd, 2005, 05:10 PM
Just another Marriott money grab , hopfully it will take another 2 or 3 years or LONGER there is not a need for any more hotels, as it is now there are enough.

Just what Aruba needs is a Ritz hotel..


YOu have absolutely NAILED IT!! And the size of your hammer is substantial.

There are several consequenses to consider.

Hotel rooms need to be directly tied to air carrying capacity. If there aren't enough airline companies willing to committ to full year service, then you have a serious problem.
The Tax issue was a Tax Holiday. These are well and good when they start but can be a problem when they end. There is a track record of bad experience in this.
Last but (in my opinion) not least important, the amount of rooms that are currently owned by the Marriott out weigh the norm for an island this small. If for some unheard of and crazy reason, that company decided to pull stakes or make severe policy changes, an exceedingly high percentage of hotel employees are involved. Families and their car and home loans and so forth all will come into play. I recall a good saying about eggs and baskets. This kind of a situation could even give the hotel company (supposed to be in the lodging business) political power.
Put the RITZ Carlton in Tahiti and let's call it even.

These are just my opinions.
charles
arubafastphones.com

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1809.html

Charles Croes is an old busy body.  He needs his finger in every pie. MOO

[bleachedblack]

The gang's all here for the memorial for Betico Croes. Anyone recognize the Fat guy next to Oduber?  He doesn't look Aruban to me or part of the MEP,look's more like a Italian or Colombian.MO

I don't know but his "date" looks dressed very "festive" for a funeral.  I think of Idstlou's sig. line: "Get inside my belly"

How hard is it to find a pair of pants that are 40W and 30L?

I think that he looks a lot llike John Candy in 'Uncle Buck'.

Don't recognize him, but further to the left(our right-top pic ) of the lady in orange looks like Governor General Fredis Refunjol.

[bleachedblack]

I recognize at least one more from the Lions den. 

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

[Observer]

I have been meaning to address this rumor for 6 months now at SM. It is strictly a rumor that started at RWV(Erased) back in 2005. The story was that Natalee was kidnapped by mistake thinking it was Virgina Page who left a day before the MB group left. I am posting this because I kept a close eye on this thread and it drew my interest for reasons I cant get into right now. Either the interested people were watching this thread for total dis-information or there was some truth to it.
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Posted by Kermit

left to right front row:
Katherine Weatherly (the girl that Joran said he won her money back)
Virginia O'Neal Page
Ruth McVey
Back row left to right
Francis Ellen Byrd
Liz Cain
Madison Whatley
Holly Brown
Lee Broughton

List of corporations with a major presence in Birmingham, Alabama
McWayne Corporation
O'Neal Steel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Corporations_Based_or_Major_Presence_in_Birmingham


Let me see if I can remember this right to explain it:

McWayne has private plane and was going down to Aruba and that is the plane that Beth, Jug and some friends first flew to Aruba on.
Virginia O' Neal Page is one of the graduates of MB and you can see her in the picture I posted above.
Frances Ellen Byrd's father is in construction and one of the projects he constructed was the McWayne Science Bldg. Between FEB's mother and father, they have millions of dollars in this family and a heritage that goes way back. O' Neal has millions as well.
Natalee worked at Harvest Glen Market and that market gets produce from Frances Ellen Byrd's mothers farm - and also the farm has an equestrian center where FEB rides etc etc.

Here is a post that backs up what I was saying:
"It was McWane's president, G. Ruffner Page's daughter, Virginia, that partied at C&C that last night in Aruba with Natalee Holloway. The McWane jet was sent to Aruba to retrieve Virginia. Beth took a lift on that jet.}

http://www.mcwane.com/index.php?page=profile/team
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Posted by AKband27
I was doing some searching and ran across a posting at RWV...it was about the day Natalee went missing and Beth and her group went to Aruba on the McWane plane with McWane President G. Ruffner Page, Jr on board...the article also said maybe they were suppose to nab Virginia O'Neal Page and got Natalee by mistake...has anyone else heard this? who is Virginia Oneal Page?
Also, way back...there was talk of the McWane plane being on the island the day before Natalee disappeared...does anybody remember this? I have been talking about this with another poster and they also remembered something about this...
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_63.html

[WhiskeyGirl]

I remember that theory.  I believe it was advanced by those seeking alternatives to J2K being involved in Natalee's disappearance.  I remember it being linked to Natalee being spirited off the island on the Medjet, etc.

[Kermit]

Aruba, it is simple to bring the Ritz to Aruba,

SERVE BETH A PLATTER OF "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE" AND PROVIDE A JUST ENVIRONMENT FOR YOUR CITIZENS AND TOURISTS. SO SIMPLE AND AFFORDABLE.

MUCH BETTER THAN SPENDING MILLIONS DEFENDING VIOLENT, PERVERTED, BUFFOONS.

ANITA, IF JORAN DOESN'T TELL THE AUTHORITIES WHAT HAPPENED SOON, I WAS TOLD BY A PSYCHIC THAT THEY ARE POSITIVE THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THEIR CALENDERS TO SEE WHEN THEY HAVE SOME FREE TIME TO VOLUNTEER TO EXTRACT THE INFORMATION FROM HIM.

THINK OTHERWISE OR DISMISS AS CRAZY? WHY DON'T YOU WISH IN ONE HAND AND POOP IN THE OTHER AND SEE WHICH HAND FILLS UP FIRST, THE PSYCHIC TOLD ME.

HE IS NOT ESCAPING PROVIDING ANSWERS AND FACING CONSEQUENCES ACCORDING TO THIS PSYCHIC. IT IS YOUR CHOICE, MOTHER. YOU CORRECT JORAN OR OTHERS WILL DO IT FOR YOU THE PSYCHIC SAID.

NATALEE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE, ACCORDING TO THE PSYCHIC.

Psychics, I don't believe in them personally, but those in the know in Aruba may know more about this type of medium than I.

ALL IT WILL TAKE IS ONE MORE ENCOUNTER WITH PETER DEVRIES, ONE MORE INTERVIEW. DO YOU WANT TO RISK IT?

Come out, Come out you can't hide forever

[wreck]

I have been meaning to address this rumor for 6 months now at SM. It is strictly a rumor that started at RWV(Erased) back in 2005. The story was that Natalee was kidnapped by mistake thinking it was Virgina Page who left a day before the MB group left. I am posting this because I kept a close eye on this thread and it drew my interest for reasons I cant get into right now. Either the interested people were watching this thread for total dis-information or there was some truth to it.
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Posted by Kermit

left to right front row:
Katherine Weatherly (the girl that Joran said he won her money back)
Virginia O'Neal Page
Ruth McVey
Back row left to right
Francis Ellen Byrd
Liz Cain
Madison Whatley
Holly Brown
Lee Broughton

List of corporations with a major presence in Birmingham, Alabama
McWayne Corporation
O'Neal Steel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Corporations_Based_or_Major_Presence_in_Birmingham


Let me see if I can remember this right to explain it:

McWayne has private plane and was going down to Aruba and that is the plane that Beth, Jug and some friends first flew to Aruba on.
Virginia O' Neal Page is one of the graduates of MB and you can see her in the picture I posted above.
Frances Ellen Byrd's father is in construction and one of the projects he constructed was the McWayne Science Bldg. Between FEB's mother and father, they have millions of dollars in this family and a heritage that goes way back. O' Neal has millions as well.
Natalee worked at Harvest Glen Market and that market gets produce from Frances Ellen Byrd's mothers farm - and also the farm has an equestrian center where FEB rides etc etc.

Here is a post that backs up what I was saying:
"It was McWane's president, G. Ruffner Page's daughter, Virginia, that partied at C&C that last night in Aruba with Natalee Holloway. The McWane jet was sent to Aruba to retrieve Virginia. Beth took a lift on that jet.}

http://www.mcwane.com/index.php?page=profile/team
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Posted by AKband27
I was doing some searching and ran across a posting at RWV...it was about the day Natalee went missing and Beth and her group went to Aruba on the McWane plane with McWane President G. Ruffner Page, Jr on board...the article also said maybe they were suppose to nab Virginia O'Neal Page and got Natalee by mistake...has anyone else heard this? who is Virginia Oneal Page?
Also, way back...there was talk of the McWane plane being on the island the day before Natalee disappeared...does anybody remember this? I have been talking about this with another poster and they also remembered something about this...
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_63.html

Just a thought here (not saying I'm buying it yet): IF there was a "kidnapping" plot as in CAPSLOCK's theory -- G. Ruffner Page's daughter would be the logical target. She DOES resemble Natalee. The 3 stooges are hired to abduct her -- they F' it up big time. The boys have to be protected by Aruba or else those that planned it are toast.  Kind of fits -- doesn't it!?!

[Observer]

I remember that theory.  I believe it was advanced by those seeking alternatives to J2K being involved in Natalee's disappearance.  I remember it being linked to Natalee being spirited off the island on the Medjet, etc.

Yes it could be..Could of been next on the Renee/Julia Misinformation campaign. I had to post that as something has been bothering me for 6 months about this topic.

[WhiskeyGirl]

I was looking for something else and found this old post by 'scubajap'

Boywonder, your questions about Paulus get boring.

YES, saw the Casino tapes, and for the tenth time, NO PAULUS. Not gambling, not in the casino, and NOT meeting Natalee.


George-could you please e-mail me?

Looks to me that Pat Hurley will very likely have to face a hell of a libel suit at some point or other, and it looks like the "emmy-winning" is a piece of fiction, thanks to George and his excellent research skills, so I imagine we can take his posts with a grain of salt, has Mr. Hurley has no idea what the he is basing his conclusions on, other than his own personal emotions. I don't think they give emmys for movie scripts that go straight to video, which is probably all he has ever written, or perhaps he is an emmy winner in his own mind.
If that is the case, I was awarded the Putlitzer last year.

Anyway, George, please? Need to chat with you.

Best holidays to you, BTW and keep up the good work

Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, December 29, 2005 at 12:24 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa_17.html

"YES, saw the Casino tapes, and for the tenth time, NO PAULUS. Not gambling, not in the casino, and NOT meeting Natalee."

?

[Kermit]

"The first flyers posted around the island carried two numbers people could call with tips: Renfro's and Munzenhofer's cell phones.: (source: Vanity Fair)

[Observer]

Come out, Come out you can't hide forever

[Kermit]

Beth Twitty - Birmingham Meeting - Oct. 28, 2006
20. The "Call me Hootie" poster... what is the explanation of that?
TWITTY: This poster is the first that was distributed in Aruba. The Kidnapped posters that were made up to be put up were not allowed to be used. The Call me Hootie poster idea came from Julia Renfro.
Credit: Debbie (BFN)

[Helen Back]

Thanks, *******.  I never heard that rumor about Virginia, and didn't read at RWV.  But thanks for the pic of Nat's friends. 

[Kermit]

HA HA HA *******.

 

[WhiskeyGirl]

Here is some old stuff from the Refugees site -

reddog wrote:

maybe she saw or "overhead" something in aruba?

iwabwu wrote:

Could she have been the unlucky target of an organized gang of something on Aruba? Perhaps because she was sweet and trusting?

reddog wrote:

i don't know if she was "sweet and trusting" or not.

what kind of "organized gang" do you think she could have been the "target" of?

iwabwu wrote:

From my reading for over a year, a few things come to mind-

Gangs of drug addicts that live on the beaches and watch tourist hotel rooms. Some may see thieves entering and leaving the rooms, but no one seems to call the police. Why? Why wouldn't someone report a theft in progress? There doesn't appear to be evidence of break-ins, or forced entry that I am aware of, so how to such people get in and out of the hotel rooms? JMHO

In the case of Natalee, I recall someone reported one or two men in black entering and leaving the room, maybe even a guest reported the same. Why wouldn't those that witness these things happening call the police? I think this was an organized effort by more than one person, a 'gang' if you will. MO

Of all the thoughts that pass through my mind about the case, that is one that lingers - people see things going on, and no one calls the police. Is that part of the culture?

If it were a gang of drug smugglers, I believe they are organized. I remember reading speculation that a drug boat could have come ashore by the beach NH was left on and taken her away. Are the beaches so dangerous? Why would 'lovers' go there and risk disturbing the drug trafficers? If not those importing drugs, what about human trafficing? JMHO

It seems that over the past year, I've read about many organized groups on Aruba. The folks at the Lions Den would have to be another suspect group. Sander's statement has given me nightmares. Could Natalee have been taken to the Lions Den at some point that night? Who of the friends and families has a monkey? JMHO

refugee_lurker_27 wrote:

Lazlo, the problem with your interesting question is that none of us know enough about Natalee to offer any convincing answers to your query.

One thing however, that I find VERY suspicious is that we still have not learned why so many of those "Eyewitness Reports from Mountain Brook" definitively identified JVDS as doing things to & with Natalee that turned out to be another male, a blond blue-eyed dutchboy.

WHO gave all those reports about Joran hitting Natalee????

MORE importantly, WHY did so many of those Mountain Brook high school graduates LIE repeatedly about JVDS?

That is very suspicious to me - and it makes me wonder if this is why the assistance of Interpol and the crack Dutch investigative team has been requested.

refugeesunleashed.net/about4826.html  (we don't direct link to RU    )

[Bearlyhere]

Come out, Come out you can't hide forever

LOL  There's a Sloot in the Slats!!!

[klaasend]

HA HA HA *******.