Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 - 1/29/08

[private eye]

Klaas...In Joran's book there is mention of David F and another mention of a woman that could be his Mom. My question is...which David to you think Joran is referring to as getting mad about the girls and that was at the Racquet Club on Monday....David Wever or David F?

TIA...I'm confusing myself now...LOL

I have no idea but I trust first names more than I do reference to last names. 

I have this picture of a David Wever (the boy on the right.)  He's a known videographer on the island.  Check out the caption below the picture.  His tickle site is no longer working, but he did have Natalee listed as a friend.



bruce y ami ,chill dilanti royal plaza cu mi Bang Buss

Is he related to Guido? Is he straight, gay, or bi? I read that he resented the girl being present at something.

I don't know if David is related to Guido Wever or what his sexual preference is. 

I want to clear up something, I don't have a preference for somebody else's sexual preference, other than my partner's or whatever kind of sex other people have as long as it is consensual. If I am not involved, its not any of my business, and I hope it works good for them:)

[bleachedblack]

Very interesting that David Wever calls his ride the Bang Bus  The FBI has to know more about all this porn that was filmed in Aruba and if there was any chance it was related to Natalee. Has to be a reason why they subpoenad Paul Brough's cell phone records. Also interesting that he started his archive on his server on 5-30-05.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0
MrPinkproductions.com

That is very interesting *******. The fact that Paul B. records were subpoenaed .....
really makes me wonder what larger role he might have played. Was he the one paying for films of Bang-Bus activities? Were unsuspecting tourists picked-up in what they thought was a taxi and driven somewhere where the "party" was then moved to the van(Bang-bus)?

[Anna]

We know that the FBI has had the Shango/Simian riddles since
July, 2005.  The FBI has professional code breakers.
I remember a Mod on Scared Monkeys long ago said that Dave knew
who Shango was and had spoken with him.
I believe if anything was to be learned from these riddles,
the case would have been solved by now. JMHO

I don't recall this being said, but my memory "ain't what it used to be". Does anyone else recall that this is true about Dave having allegedly spoken with Shango? I do recall Daves visit to the "Lions Den" which he writes about in his book........

Sending Shango to FBI is true for sure and I have heard the part about Dave but can't remember where.  It may come back to me.  Not the same as the Lion's Den visit but can't for the life of me remember where I saw that he did this.

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[Observer]

Has this been posted yet from Bondia?

[Tamikosmom]

We know that the FBI has had the Shango/Simian riddles since
July, 2005.  The FBI has professional code breakers.
I remember a Mod on Scared Monkeys long ago said that Dave knew
who Shango was and had spoken with him.
I believe if anything was to be learned from these riddles,
the case would have been solved by now. JMHO

I don't recall this being said, but my memory "ain't what it used to be". Does anyone else recall that this is true about Dave having allegedly spoken with Shango? I do recall Daves visit to the "Lions Den" which he writes about in his book........

As of the release date of Dave Holloway's book CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ... he had not spoken to "Shango".

Janet

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Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
March, 2006

Page 123

Whoever you are, Shango, you apparently know more than you have revealed.  Your riddles have been silenced, but we can still be reached at HelpfindNatalee@comcast.net.


Page 207

All of what follows is open to interpretation, and nothing is meant to point fingers or lay blame at any one person or group of people.  It is all suggestion and hypothesis, trying to make sense of a cryptic but possibly elucidating riddle.

Thank-you Janet,

You are welcome bb.

Janet

[jackb]

Yes, Hotping...there are many dirty hands...there have been for years...that according to Shango.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

So The Dirty Hand in Natalee's Case is possibly Paulus or could Anita fit in there somewhere.....I know I'm crazy but I just feel like She is very involved in this...

Yellowhammer could be a white lady policewoman.  The consort, her brother GVC to her (the elder.)  I do not, for some reason, remember Shango using the words "yellowhammer."  This sounds more like something out of "urgan slang."

Also, It would be logical for her to be involved some way if her brother and JVS, etc., were involved as Vanderstratten (best friends to Pvs, etc.)  Jack Blue

[Tamikosmom]

Has this been posted yet from Bondia?

I would love to have a translation of this article.  If one is not forthcoming by tomorrow ... I do believe ... I am going to drive across the border tomorrow and ... get my son's Dutch American father-in-law to translate.

Hey ... I would be "killing two birds with one stone" ... I get my translations as well as a nice visit with son's inlaws.

Janet 

[klaasend]

******* - not from Bondia but the same letter was first posted in Solo di Pueblo the other day and it was posted.

[Observer]

That is very interesting *******. The fact that Paul B. records were subpoenaed .....
really makes me wonder what larger role he might have played. Was he the one paying for films of Bang-Bus activities? Were unsuspecting tourists picked-up in what they thought was a taxi and driven somewhere where the "party" was then moved to the van(Bang-bus)?

I agree BB..I have often wondered if something like this was going on the night Natalee dissapeared.

[Tamikosmom]

I posted the following yesterday.  I cannot read what you posted ... is it the same article or something difference.

Janet

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http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=704&Itemid=1

Ministerio Publico ta declara oficialmente cu nunca Julia Renfro tabatin algo di haci den desaparici 
Saturday, 26 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD - Editor di Aruba Today Julia Renfro ta desmenti totalmente, acusacionnan haci pa e mediumnan Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo di Guiding Light. Esaki, despues cu e dos mediumnan a haci nan declaracionnan publico, Diaranzon Januari 16 durante un entrevista na Tele Aruba, durante cual e duo a bisa na television bibo cu "Julia Renfro sa como hecho cu Natalee tabata bibo….

Julia, si bo ta mirando esaki… Beth (Twitty) sa cu bo tabatin (Natalee) scondi."

Daniel Young y Kelly Castillo aña pasa a manda declaracionnan den un carta cu a bai pa FOX News, Greta van Susteren, media Hulandes, Associated Press y famianan di e sospechosonan e tempo ei. Ningun momento esnan cu a ricibi carta di e duo a raporta e acusasionnan contra Renfro, sea durante nan programa of na autoridadnan.

Mediumnan Daniel Young y Kelly Castillo ta declara den e carta aki cu Renfro a sconde Natalee Holloway den su cas, despues di desaparicion di e hoben riba Mei 29, 2005. Nan ta acusa Renfro di a hiba mayornan di Natalee riba un careda di bina, mientras cu e tabata sa unda Natalee lo tabata scondi pa su mayornan. Nan a declara cu Renfro tabata conoce Natalee personalmente y cu Natalee lo a conta (Renfro) di un situacion di abuso na cas cu su padrastro na Alabama. Y tambe cu Renfro lo a fiesta cu Natalee prome cu e ultimo aki a sufri un overdose di droga.

Fiscal Mayor Hans Mos a reuni cu Renfro Dialuna ultimo, y a confirma cu e no ta un persona di interes den e caso di Natalee Holloway y cu e informacion cu Young y Catillo a presenta na Ministerio Publico no tin validez ni balor pa e caso. Esaki no ta trata unicamente riba evaluacion di e informacion y acusacion cu a haci contra Renfro, pero tambe contra tur esnan cu nan a menciona a base di nan 'tip' sin base substancia.
Zeer geachte mevrouw,

Naar aanleiding van diverse recente perspublicatie in relatie tot de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway, heeft zich heden tot mij gewend mevrouw Julia Renfro, u wel bekend.

Op basis van zeer uitvoerige politieonderzoek kan ik u melden dat mevrouw Renfro nimmer als verdachte in dit onderzoek is aangemerkt en er tot op heden ook geen enkele aanleiding is geweest dat te doen, integendeel.

Politie en justitie is, na uitvoerig onderzoek, niet gebleken van enige betrokkenheid van mevrouw Renfro, hoe dan ook, bij de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway.

Iedere suggestie in een andere richting berust niet op feiten.

Het leek mij juist u dit te melden. Ik moge ten aanzien van de wel op de feitengebaseerde conclusies van het OM wijzen op de tekst van mijn persconferentie zoals gegeven op 20 december 2008.

Hoogachtend,


mr. H. F. Mos
Hoofdofficier van Justitie

Hopi instancia di media na Aruba a duna Young y Castillo e oportunidad pa haci acusacion infunda contra Renfro, dañando asina su reputacion, dor di insinua cu e tabata parti di un 'cover up' y tabata envolvi den actividadnan ilegal. Den caso asina yamativo manera esun di Natalee Holloway of cualkier otro caso, e procedura normal pa un hende cu informacion confiabel ta pa bai mesora na autoridadnan y no na prensa. A puntra Young y Castillo si nan a bai polis cu nan informacionnan. Nan contesta tabata cu nan a haci tal cos, pero cu polis no a actua riba nan tipnan y no a ni controla si e lugar unda nan a indica cu Natalee lo tabata dera ta cuadra cu berdad of no. Basa riba e declaracion aki, nan a bin Aruba pa haci acusacionnan infunda tambe contra recherchenan local trahando riba e caso.
Fiscal Mayor Hans Mos tambe a menciona Gerold Dompig recientemente a declara den un entrevista cu Amigoe, cu aunke cu e nunca a topa personalmente cu Young y Castillo, el a haya sa pa medio di su conexionnan cu FBI cu e dosnan aki nunca tabata un ayudo den cualkier investigacion na Merca. Pa loke ta e ora cu Beth Twitty a yega Aruba, dia 30 di Mei 2005, Fiscal Mayor ta splica bon cla cu e informacion aki a keda bon investiga y locual e mediumnan a trece dilanti no ta funda.

[San]

well,

anita either SAW them or was repeating what killer pig joran told her..

those are the only two scenarios


both are hideous

1. if anita saw them, how and why did she see them ?

2. if she was told about them by joran,, why ?

What I find remarkable is that Anita described the color of Natalee's underwear and Joran had to call Deepak and ask him what color her shirt was.  Anita is a fat disgusting pig just like her husband.

[klaasend]

In case you missed it, here is Jossy's post about it - translated by Getagrip:

1.23.2008
Dan Young and Kelly Castillo never solved a case in the U.S.
DIARIO Aruba
01/23/2008


ORANJESTAD(AAN): The two Americans, Dan Young and Kelly Castillo do not count with any sort of credibility in Aruba and even less in the U.S.

American authorities were in contact with the investigative team some time ago and in the end it was concluded that these two persons do not have any sort of credibility.

In the U.S., according to American authorities, they were never able to contribute to solving any case.

In Aruba, they want to come and take people in, with the support of minister Rudy Croes, but the Public Ministry threw them off the table some time ago.

DIARIO was certainly not supporting their story and it was the Ministry of Justice who was propagandizing the two spiritual mediums.

Even sadder is that of the information that the two mediums gave in Aruba, none of it was true because at the moment that they made certain statements, the investigative team worked on it again. When they saw that nothing came of it, they contacted American authorities who confirmed that these two people speak a lot but say nothing.

This was also the reason that according to chief prosecutor Hans Mos, the Public Ministry didn’t pay much attention to the arrival of these two people again in Aruba.

[translated by Getagrip]


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008_01_20_archive.html

[Observer]

Hi Janet 

It is probably the same thing.

[Pita]

Yes, Hotping...there are many dirty hands...there have been for years...that according to Shango.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

So The Dirty Hand in Natalee's Case is possibly Paulus or could Anita fit in there somewhere.....I know I'm crazy but I just feel like She is very involved in this...

Yellowhammer could be a white lady policewoman.  The consort, her brother GVC to her (the elder.)  I do not, for some reason, remember Shango using the words "yellowhammer."  This sounds more like something out of "urgan slang."

Also, It would be logical for her to be involved some way if her brother and JVS, etc., were involved as Vanderstratten (best friends to Pvs, etc.)  Jack Blue

Isn't Alabama known as the "Yellowhammer State?"

[greeneyedlady]

FROM RU:

Lazlo Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:19 pm   
Alberto G, a criminal investigated by Jacobs

To whom it may interest, Alberto G was fired from Universal Aviation medio 2006, reasons amongst other things; committing several crimes such as (car) theft, fraud, stealing items, several bribery attempts all of which Alberto G has served jail time for.
Dennis Jacobs is the officer who has been investigating G. G was referred to as a criminal and a well known fantast.

From what I understand, even though ALE fails to understand how any Aruban/Dutch media might give credence to the lies of this man who is known for being willing to say or do anything for some money and/or attention, possibly juridical steps will be taken against G to forecom his lies causing any damage to the island of Aruba, ALE, UA and the family of Natalee Holloway.

Arrival of the private plane May 30 took place a little after 10 pm and was under supervision off and documented by UA, ALE is in possession of the exact records, arrival time of Beth Twitty May 30 a little over 10 pm (between 10 and 11pm)

The medjet has taken off 3 days after arrival, the two pilots were arranged by UA, the take off was under supervision of UA, and the plane left with on board none other then the crew. This was also documented and is in possession of ALE. 

[Magnolia]

Yes, Hotping...there are many dirty hands...there have been for years...that according to Shango.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

So The Dirty Hand in Natalee's Case is possibly Paulus or could Anita fit in there somewhere.....I know I'm crazy but I just feel like She is very involved in this...

Yellowhammer could be a white lady policewoman.  The consort, her brother GVC to her (the elder.)  I do not, for some reason, remember Shango using the words "yellowhammer."  This sounds more like something out of "urgan slang."

Also, It would be logical for her to be involved some way if her brother and JVS, etc., were involved as Vanderstratten (best friends to Pvs, etc.)  Jack Blue

Isn't Alabama known as the "Yellowhammer State?"

Yes...Yellow hammer= State Bird
Yammer Jammer Yellow Hammer is the old University of Alabama cheer.

[Pita]

FROM RU:

Lazlo Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:19 pm   
Alberto G, a criminal investigated by Jacobs

To whom it may interest, Alberto G was fired from Universal Aviation medio 2006, reasons amongst other things; committing several crimes such as (car) theft, fraud, stealing items, several bribery attempts all of which Alberto G has served jail time for.
Dennis Jacobs is the officer who has been investigating G. G was referred to as a criminal and a well known fantast.

From what I understand, even though ALE fails to understand how any Aruban/Dutch media might give credence to the lies of this man who is known for being willing to say or do anything for some money and/or attention, possibly juridical steps will be taken against G to forecom his lies causing any damage to the island of Aruba, ALE, UA and the family of Natalee Holloway.

Arrival of the private plane May 30 took place a little after 10 pm and was under supervision off and documented by UA, ALE is in possession of the exact records, arrival time of Beth Twitty May 30 a little over 10 pm (between 10 and 11pm)

The medjet has taken off 3 days after arrival, the two pilots were arranged by UA, the take off was under supervision of UA, and the plane left with on board none other then the crew. This was also documented and is in possession of ALE. 

WOW!!  Ty, GEL!

[Pita]

Yes, Hotping...there are many dirty hands...there have been for years...that according to Shango.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

So The Dirty Hand in Natalee's Case is possibly Paulus or could Anita fit in there somewhere.....I know I'm crazy but I just feel like She is very involved in this...

Yellowhammer could be a white lady policewoman.  The consort, her brother GVC to her (the elder.)  I do not, for some reason, remember Shango using the words "yellowhammer."  This sounds more like something out of "urgan slang."

Also, It would be logical for her to be involved some way if her brother and JVS, etc., were involved as Vanderstratten (best friends to Pvs, etc.)  Jack Blue

Isn't Alabama known as the "Yellowhammer State?"

Yes...Yellow hammer= State Bird
Yammer Jammer Yellow Hammer is the old University of Alabama cheer.

TY, Magnolia!

[San]

FROM RU:

Lazlo Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:19 pm   
Alberto G, a criminal investigated by Jacobs

To whom it may interest, Alberto G was fired from Universal Aviation medio 2006, reasons amongst other things; committing several crimes such as (car) theft, fraud, stealing items, several bribery attempts all of which Alberto G has served jail time for.
Dennis Jacobs is the officer who has been investigating G. G was referred to as a criminal and a well known fantast.

From what I understand, even though ALE fails to understand how any Aruban/Dutch media might give credence to the lies of this man who is known for being willing to say or do anything for some money and/or attention, possibly juridical steps will be taken against G to forecom his lies causing any damage to the island of Aruba, ALE, UA and the family of Natalee Holloway.

Arrival of the private plane May 30 took place a little after 10 pm and was under supervision off and documented by UA, ALE is in possession of the exact records, arrival time of Beth Twitty May 30 a little over 10 pm (between 10 and 11pm)

The medjet has taken off 3 days after arrival, the two pilots were arranged by UA, the take off was under supervision of UA, and the plane left with on board none other then the crew. This was also documented and is in possession of ALE. 

They want to punish this guy for lying but Joran can lie 22 times hurt the island of Aruba, hurt the Holloway family, writes a book for money, does more interviews and hurts Aruba even more and till this day they have done nothing to him. 

[jackb]

well,

anita either SAW them or was repeating what killer pig joran told her..

those are the only two scenarios


both are hideous

1. if anita saw them, how and why did she see them ?

2. if she was told about them by joran,, why ?

What I find remarkable is that Anita described the color of Natalee's underwear and Joran had to call Deepak and ask him what color her shirt was.  Anita is a fat disgusting pig just like her husband.

I am not convinced that Anita was not there for some of the main events.  Joran has never uttered any truth that mattered. It seems all from his mouth is to mislead, cover or misdirect.  Some of his first words were:  If mama had been here none of this would have happened.  I think she WAS there and knew about it.  She is being protected because she is the "mama" and so that both parents will not be imprisoned as well and leave two younger, or at least one younger son ophaned.  Val is plenty big enough to have know and covered up incidents as well.        Jack B