Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 - 1/29/08

[Lala'sMom]

OK, I will share a bit.

Shango in his Riddle also give you the killers.

First you have to go back in time in Trinity Pegan rituals and understand what is a Shiva and a Babylonian.

in Trinity mythology, there 3 God are allways morphing into other personalities.

To Understand the Shango Riddle, you have to think like a Trinity Pagan.

There are 14 Trinity Sectan each with 3 Gods. and they are Constantly Morphing in diffrent characters. lets call them actors or players

In the case of Natalee Holloway, the creator of this Riddle used Stories Morphing Technique and good knowledge of Trinity Gods Rituals to write the document.

Remember the word Trinity. Some may say but Polinus or Plotinus are single Gods. They are but assuming different personalities.

The coder must have use the Hindu Modalist Trinity to code this story. It is a story is about Helping and Preserving and while preserving terminating in destroying.

Shango says:

The Lamb (Joran) and the two Shivas (Kalpoes) and the Elder .

Joran the Lamb and Kalpoes is Morphing from Creator to Preserver but the Kalpoes when tried to Preserving, decided to kick the whole sand castle to pieces, Shiva (Destroyer).

this charateristic event is trigger when you have tired to do good with some other party (deals) but the other party did not comply after given them a second chance, in his anger be cuase he was made of beeing a fool, switches from beeing nice to beeing bad. In this case 2 Shivas (kiilers).

The Lamb is also morphing from beeing soft and nice into a manipulator

at the end the 2 Shivas are the killers.

Now for the Elder, he is also morphing from manipulator into Gods. every one fears him.

so Joran the Lamb and the 2 Kalpoes the Shiva's (destroyers).



 

DRAX is the destroyer
Scores could be music or the Drax scores could mean Killed or destroyed.
Babalu is a jester, a host or a dj, or master of ceremony type.
The Original Shango said:  Babalu left his post at (and game time)  I thought to be 12:01 or so.  He may have left his station (ship--Tattoo??.)  Disk Jock Croes?  Got fired.  Was not on the ship overnight.  He never signed out and was fired.

Shivas:  like body guards and used as gofers.

Consort:  Husband to the queen or intimate to a person.

Dirty Hand ( I forgot at this time what that meaning is)

The morphing is done thruogh changing of looks and names as the pictures change subtly, as the words and sayings in Shango, enough to change the meaning.

The original Shango has been changed so subtly, but over time has become whatever anyone seems to want it to be to prove their point or throw off those who see some meaning to the answers. 

Mary:  The only name used.  Why?  Why not use "the girl"  Is mary a person, or a girlfriend of one of those at the gathering, perhaps a married woman who befriended the "lamb."    The lamb could have been who was raped and became a goat.  The original Shango did not specify who was the lamb, or why one name was used in all the sayings of his.  I just thought this as being strange.  XTC, DNA is not necessarily drugs, as I said it could be a tag, a licence number on a vessel of some sort.

Threadsurfer is maritime language meaning small boats going over waves or threading the waves to get through a maze of coral (maze is another maritime word.)

Shango used old language as is in the Bible in parts and maritime expressions.

There is a House of David there.  A great house with smaller houses surrounding them who serve the great house.  The house of david is a resort for those of alternate sexual preference.  There is an underground chain of them.  They cater to those who want privacy and some who are well known from different countries who are keeping secretes due to their positions.  Whatever goes on there may be more than just the deflowering of young maidens.  They are a cultish people who bind together in these scenarios.

Isn't this just the strangest thing?     jack blue

Let's try this version...

#  Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:29 pm

Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles

Follow the music!

Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets

The lamb is scared

The fires are lit

But now the lamb is a goat


# drax on June 27th, 2005 10:30 pm

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles=
they weren’t on the beach?


#  Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:31 pm

Mary never heard the buoy toll

ask the men who play dice and “roll”


# Aenim on June 27th, 2005 10:31 pm

That’s a good one, Drax

#  Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:32 pm

THE DRAX SCORES


# Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:33 pm

Follow the music

[jackb]

Words spoken in 2005 or 2008 are still words spoken and ... without a change of heart ... I contend that the words of  “a long time friend and spiritual adviser” of a man who may become the President of the United States of America very troubling.

The words imply that Rev. Jeremiah Wright perceives the Natalee Holloway case as a black and white issue ... not an issue which involves an American citizen who is being denied justice by a corrupt Aruban investigation.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++


Rev. Jeremiah Wright:

Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

Some Church of Christs do not believe in the Holy Spirit and are into this one-world religion stuff.  My good friend attended one because her parents did and told me about it.  She said they would not even have any type music there and that the men ruled the women.  Guess that sort of goes along the line of some of the more extreme religions who feel women are little more than cattle.  Perhaps that is why the Church of Christ likes Obama so much.  That is why this particular preacher gets off on dividing people and making women such as are victims at fault because of their white color.  They are just plying for the black vote and using the minority to gain a foothold in this country so they can change it and use women as second class citizens.  The putting down of anything white means (they seem to think) more votes for them.  They are terrorists in disguise in case my opinion interests anyone.       jack blue

[Miss Scarlet]

ms scarlet,

i was definitely not trying to be disrepectful to your post, but when i read it, i thought to myself..."how could anyone know exaclty what he said - were they there?"

Buckshot,

I appreciate that.  One can only assume that the writer of the article (which I did not keep) would know, by some means.

[MumInOhio]

Klaas...In Joran's book there is mention of David F and another mention of a woman that could be his Mom. My question is...which David to you think Joran is referring to as getting mad about the girls and that was at the Racquet Club on Monday....David Wever or David F?

TIA...I'm confusing myself now...LOL

[klaasend]

Klaas...In Joran's book there is mention of David F and another mention of a woman that could be his Mom. My question is...which David to you think Joran is referring to as getting mad about the girls and that was at the Racquet Club on Monday....David Wever or David F?

TIA...I'm confusing myself now...LOL

I have no idea but I trust first names more than I do reference to last names. 

[Miss Scarlet]

Jack Blue,

FWIW, I appreciate your viewpoints.  I am learning a few things I did not know.

Klaas, my apologies if you prefer us on another thread.  I know not my way around, and you'll have to put a link under my nose. 

[MumInOhio]

Klaas... you are right there I don't believe this is David's correct surname, but this is who I have been thinking that Joran was referencing.

- David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0



Oh, another "juicy" thingy, when Joran was arrested he was also brought to Noord later on, another policestation. Abraham Jones was there, a woman who worked at the American customs, and the cousin of ..........Jossy, who was in one of those cells for involvement in a shooting....( we knew about the cousin and the shooting, but I didn`t knew that guy was in a cell near Joran.....)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

[klaasend]

Klaas... you are right there I don't believe this is David's correct surname, but this is who I have been thinking that Joran was referencing.

- David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0



Oh, another "juicy" thingy, when Joran was arrested he was also brought to Noord later on, another policestation. Abraham Jones was there, a woman who worked at the American customs, and the cousin of ..........Jossy, who was in one of those cells for involvement in a shooting....( we knew about the cousin and the shooting, but I didn`t knew that guy was in a cell near Joran.....)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

MUM - you are probably right

[MumInOhio]

Will try again...LOL

Thanks Klaas...I thought maybe you knew that it was the David Wever that was in the fight and jealous about the girls.

Was a little scary for a while....

[klaasend]

Will try again...LOL

Thanks Klaas...I thought maybe you knew that it was the David Wever that was in the fight and jealous about the girls.

Was a little scary for a while....

Yes, before the site went down I was trying to respond.  Keep in mind that Joran changed some of the names in his book, ie Marco = Guido.  Now, I checked the Aruba phone book and I can't find any listing for a Fisiitalia or Fisitalia or anything close.  It's possible that the David Fisiitalia is actually David Wever but who really knows?

[MumInOhio]

Will try again...LOL

Thanks Klaas...I thought maybe you knew that it was the David Wever that was in the fight and jealous about the girls.

Was a little scary for a while....

Yes, before the site went down I was trying to respond.  Keep in mind that Joran changed some of the names in his book, ie Marco = Guido.  Now, I checked the Aruba phone book and I can't find any listing for a Fisiitalia or Fisitalia or anything close.  It's possible that the David Fisiitalia is actually David Wever but who really knows?

I did a search a while back too and only came up with a couple in the US. Fisi Italia...is something to do with Italian sports..LOL...more useless information.

What got my attention is where the Mom worked and wondered if it had anything to do with the 'watch list' Joran was on in New York....and Shango...'only David left the den alive'!!!

Will go back and read it all again.

[Lala'sMom]

I know this isn't the Shango thread...but that place is beginning to scare me over there....thought some would like to see this post also....Capslock this one is for you. Of course, this is not what Babalu said about Dirty Hand, but there were and still are too many versions.  Babalu had already provided the "open window" into the Dirty Hand saga. So who knows what is what.


drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm

DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?



Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm

The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I know this isn't the Shango thread...but that place is beginning to scare me over there....thought some would like to see this post also....Capslock this one is for you. Of course, this is not what Babalu said about Dirty Hand, but there were and still are too many versions.  Babalu had already provided the "open window" into the Dirty Hand saga. So who knows what is what.


drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm

DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?



Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm

The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

I tend to take these things literally, and if PVDS is DirtyHand, then that would negate CapsLock code...but, I'm still a novice...

[Lala'sMom]

If you take it literally then we are still at that stalemate...since previously Babalu had said that Dirty Hand was the chief of polis and Shango said Babalu had opened a window with that comment.  So at one time Dirty Hand was possibly van der Straaten or Rudy Croes or Ronny Bernadina and then Shango agrees with Drax about Paulus being Dirty Hand.  Now you know why I am always rolling my eyes...it's because my brain is spinning around inside my skull most days. 

[hotping]

If you take it literally then we are still at that stalemate...since previously Babalu had said that Dirty Hand was the chief of polis and Shango said Babalu had opened a window with that comment.  So at one time Dirty Hand was possibly van der Straaten or Rudy Croes or Ronny Bernadina and then Shango agrees with Drax about Paulus being Dirty Hand.  Now you know why I am always rolling my eyes...it's because my brain is spinning around inside my skull most days. 

Is it possible that there are more than one Dirty Hand? Seems like I may have read that in one of Caps postings..not sure though...

[Lala'sMom]

Yes, Hotping...there are many dirty hands...there have been for years...that according to Shango.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

[hotping]

Yes, Hotping...there are many dirty hands...there have been for years...that according to Shango.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

So The Dirty Hand in Natalee's Case is possibly Paulus or could Anita fit in there somewhere.....I know I'm crazy but I just feel like She is very involved in this...

[Lala'sMom]

Yes, Hotping...there are many dirty hands...there have been for years...that according to Shango.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

So The Dirty Hand in Natalee's Case is possibly Paulus or could Anita fit in there somewhere.....I know I'm crazy but I just feel like She is very involved in this...

I do not know who dirty hand is...there has been more speculation on this person than any other in the Shango riddle.  These are the suggestions...I am sure I will miss someone in this so maybe someone else will provide more answers.

Jan van der Straaten (this supposedly is who Babalu was talking about)
Rudy Croes (Tylergal has maintained this all along)
Ronny Bernadina (suggestion by Kermit)
Mickey Johns ( first suggested by some of the code talkers)
Paulus van der Sloot ( this is Drax suggestion)
Lorenzo (first suggestion by Capslock, have no idea what he thinks now)
Casino workers, maybe Guido?  (can't remember who suggested this one, sorry)

These are names that come to mind.  Yes, I think even Anita has been suggested as Dirty Hand...there is also an Arawak Dirty Hand...that opens a whole new can of worms. Shango even asks Simian if he is a dirty hand. Below are several comments about Dirty Hand made by Shango...this is not all of them but you will get the idea.


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand

Hide dirty hand

Dirtyhand scares arawaks too

The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden
Babylon scared of DirtyHand
Arawaks scared of DirtyHand
If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy
If DirtyHand discovered, House of Babylon falls, Teepees crushed under great house


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

They did not bring DirtyHand into the Tribe!

If DirtyHand sings, sacrifice will still be eaten.

If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons.
DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon.

DirtyHand is well known [/b]

DirtyHand is alive and well

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak

[Anna]

The Black Hand also refers to Sicilian Mafia, certain division of it.  Maybe English is not Shango's first language.


 

[bleachedblack]

Yes, Hotping...there are many dirty hands...there have been for years...that according to Shango.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

I wondered about Shango's use of capitals in the above quote . Wondered if he meant it to read dirty hand instead?