Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 - 1/31/08

[private eye]

This is waht I had saved

Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject:     

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From RWV via TBHS:

One male, said to be a close friend of Natalee Hollway discovered a message as he was riding home to Mountain Brook on a bus with other students and some chaperones. While I'm unable to verify the originating number of the call, I've been told it was not thought to be the cell phone of Natalee Holloway.

The message could not be clearly made out by ear and was characterized as being garbled "Aruban" voices. The call is said to have been originated in the "middle of the night" on the first evening of Natalee's disappearance.

A second "missed call" message is said to have been discovered by a female friend and possible vacation roommate of Natalee Holloway while flying home with the group from Aruba. The two groups of students mentioned were on separate flights.

As reported earlier, it is has been said that the remaining chaperone did use Natalee Holloway's cell phone the next day to reach her friends for more information that might have helped in finding Natalee early on in her disappearance. While that timing suggests the second call could have been placed by the chaperone, one source insists the missed call message was time stamped at 4 AM the previous night. That information has not been corroborated.

Attempts to clarify the circumstances surrounding Natalee's cell phone usage for the trip, specifically did she rent an alternate cell phone, as is common practice for some while visiting Aruba, were met with a no comment from one likely phone provider.

It is possible she had an additional phone resulting in some confusion as to where her cell phone was at any point in time. Also, the time stamp of the missed call from her phone could have been misinterpreted or reported incorrectly from the owner of the phone. It is assumed that authorities have verified those issues.

In the first instance above the young man notified a chaperone upon receiving the phone message and students quickly began to surmise that cell phones and any possible messages could become relevant to any potential investigation. I've been told that at that point most if not all phones were switched off and handed in, presumably to be handed over to investigating authorities.

I have no information as regards other possible phone messages left with anyone linked to this case.
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Next time I speak to Beth I will ask her, but there were no significant phone calls after researched the night before or the night she disappeared. Beth got a phone call much later, that she said sounded like Natalee but she thinks it was a prank. I think she mentioned it on Dr. Phil. I know of one phone message on a students phone but not the second. The phone call message I know of was irrelevant due to the date.

[Observer]

So there was a phone call to the house as well.

No there was 1 phone call to a phone, a message was left. There was not a phone call to Matt's house.

Hello PI,You and Robots had me rolling the other night 

The early blog rumors were a call made to the answering machine at Beth's home or was it Daves? Well,either way I guess we can rule that one out as well?

[Blonde]

 Remember the monkey noise ? was that the noise in the supposed phone call? ha, remember the greta blog about the monkey in a cage that was making a horrible noise because the owners had temporarily "abandoned" it and it seemed to need food. there was a detailed discussion about it, and pictures.
i thought it was reeeally random that she posted that up there.. reaally random at the time. could greta have secretly wanted to reveal anything???? something seems strange.
maybe im over analyzing, but i remember it just struck me at the time.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_73.html
Remember Beth saying something about a strange noise

[Blonde]

I think she mentioned it on Dr. Phil. I know of one phone message on a students phone but not the second. The phone call message I know of was irrelevant due to the date.
 The phone call she talked about on Dr Phil was a young girl saying mommy help me

[Observer]

I think she mentioned it on Dr. Phil. I know of one phone message on a students phone but not the second. The phone call message I know of was irrelevant due to the date.
 The phone call she talked about on Dr Phil was a young girl saying mommy help me

Hi Blonde,I am talking about another call made months earlier way before the Hurricane and the release of JK2. It was talked about on RWV in June/July 2005 and it was rumored to be on a answering machine made between 2-5 am on the 30th. From what I can remember I think it was Natalee's house in Bama and Jug was sleeping during the call. With a  Aruban Voice asking her name and she says Natalee. I will take it as strictly rumor and not true.

[Blonde]

I believe it's true I will look for my info on this tomorrow.

[Altruist]

Irrevelant to the disappearance on May 30, 2005 but very well could have been when the initial targetting was done.  I do recall there being "rumor" that one night Natalee was escorted back to her room, this phone call indicates confusion on Natalee's part.  She could have been targetted due to her being considered a "light weight".  Was JVDStoolscum present on that evening where the partying was going on by the MB group?  Think there was a reason that JVDStoolscum brought PVDStoolscum to the Holiday Inn Excelsior Casino Sunday night, check out the prospect maybe?  These perpetrator's are EVIL, it is difficult to even imagine this type of mindset.

Next time I speak to Beth I will ask her, but there were no significant phone calls after researched the night before or the night she disappeared. Beth got a phone call much later, that she said sounded like Natalee but she thinks it was a prank. I think she mentioned it on Dr. Phil. I know of one phone message on a students phone but not the second. The phone call message I know of was irrelevant due to the date.

[bleachedblack]

I think she mentioned it on Dr. Phil. I know of one phone message on a students phone but not the second. The phone call message I know of was irrelevant due to the date.
 The phone call she talked about on Dr Phil was a young girl saying mommy help me

The "mommy " phone call, first with music playing was talked about on the Thursday November 17th,2005 Dr Phil show. This was later deemed a fake.

[bleachedblack]

 Did Beth Holloway-Twitty Receive A Call From Natalee?

Nov 25, 2005
>>>>>>SNIP
The FBI is currently investigating a voice mail message left on the phone of Beth Hollway-Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway.

During an interview on The Doctor Phil Show, she told the audience that she truly believes it was her daughter's voice.

"You could hear a voice in the background say, 'Mom, help me,' and then a few seconds later, regular household activity and hang up," Dave Holloway, Natalee Holloway's father, said.

The stunning new development in the five-month-old mystery raises the possibility that the 18-year-old student may not have been murdered, but is being held somewhere against her will.

However, since the show aired, Twitty has told WSFA 12's NBC affiliate in Birmingham that the voice probably wasn't her daughter's but she was still holding out hope.

>>>>SNIP

Holloway-Twitty is a child speech expert, according to the National Enquirer. She reportedly told Dr. Phil: "It just had some key elements in it. The first thing that I hear on the voice mail is... it almost sounds as if it's a foreigner ... And they say, 'Yeah', and then you hear almost like a clank, like they're shifting the phone .. And then there is music playing

 Rumors have swirled that Natalee may have been kidnapped by those in the sex-slave business.  There have been no clues and the determination is purely speculatory but it's not far-fetched either.


http://tinyurl.com/3xpakh

[ldstlou]

Klaas...tried to send you a video..did it come thru?

[Kermit]

But, Kermit, if the date on the phone call was May 28 (Sunday morning at 3:15 AM) instead of May 29 (Monday morning at 3:15 AM), then it could not have been Natalee calling while in distress.  So doesn't this negate most of these earlier references?

Where did you get that date from? What I posted or another post?

[Kermit]

PHONE CALLS:
“I got this from a Mountain Brook classmate posting on another board we're not supposed to link to on CTV, the call was around 2.am. and to a male student with the group. It was a female voice and sounded strained. The only message was something like "I don't even know these guys.." and it cut off.”

Many of the students who heard the call thought it sounded like Natalee, and one of them wrote that Natalee's mom thought it was Natalee, too.

The cell phone number associated with the phone was from Charles Croes' business, and that's why he was contacted for information.
http://rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49&page=6&pp=10


quote:Someone named William (a friend of Natalee's that was not on the trip) received a recorded message on his answering machine at around 3 am on the 30th - possibly from Aruba. Charles Croes listened to the call at least 4 times. He said it sounded like someone driving in a car (nearly a minute) and then the question in a male's voice "Are you calling home?" and then hanging up. Charles called this boy up around midnight on the 30th after Beth gave him the number. Charles thought it was strange that the boy answered the phone at midnight and was alone without anyone else in the room (like parents). Charles said he spoke to the boy for nearly 45 minutes without interruption.

A desperate last phone call from missing Natalee Holloway could provide police with a vital link to the killers in the Aruba murder case. The National Enquirer has discovered what may have been a last cry for help by the 18-year-old honors student.

Shortly after she was last seen alive, she left a message on a close friend's cell phone. Chillingly, a sinister male voice is heard in the background asking Natalee: "Are you calling home?"

An insider in the investigation said: "Her friend believes it could have been the last call from Natalee, who was in trouble and desperate for help."--->>

Sources close to the investigation say Natalee appeared to be traveling inside a car when she phoned her pal at a time police will give only as "between 2 am and 5 am".

The friend, who had been in Aruba with Natalee, had her cell phone turned off as she flew home to Alabama and didn't listen to her messages until later that day. It is believed her final chilling words are on that voicemail.

Authorities are combing through phone records to locate where the call came from. They appear to have been stung into action by the efforts of Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, 44, who flew to Aruba that day and immediately began her own investigation.

Charles Croes, who owns a rental phone business in Aruba, revealed that he had been contacted on May 30 by Natalee's family trying to trace a phone call.

"A close friend of mine called me up who was working with Natalee's family to help find her," he said. "My friend explained there was a call made by Natalee and he was hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones." --->>
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/6331




VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?
C. CROES: Yes, it did.
(This is where the video does a blip and you can tell the scene changes a little and part is edited out)
VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?
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The part where he tells her about listening to the call 4 times and then talking with a person in the states is edited out ! Here is link to video - http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player05.html?063005/greta_croes_063005&On_the_Record&Holloway%20Developmentsamp;amp;amp;acc&On%20the%20Record&-1&new

[private eye]

So there was a phone call to the house as well.

No there was 1 phone call to a phone, a message was left. There was not a phone call to Matt's house.

Hello PI,You and Robots had me rolling the other night 

The early blog rumors were a call made to the answering machine at Beth's home or was it Daves? Well,either way I guess we can rule that one out as well?

I originally heard there were 2 phone calls, one to the house and one to a student, and I visited with Matt and asked him what the deal was with the phone calls and he said there was NOT one to the house, in MT Brook, but to a students phone, and it was earlt morning but the "night before" Natalee disappeared. They just got the date and the AM PM thing wrong and got excited for nothing. I am assuming it was the one Croes listened with Beth. But I will try and check with her to make sure. If there was a phone call of significance, it would have been traced, verified, etc and been a large significant part of the case, and as far as I know it isn't.

Robot is my man of steel who is simply relentlessssssssssssssssssssssssssssfocuseddddddddddddddddplainspokennnnnnnnnnnn. He calls a Spade a Spade and Joran a Urine, Jerk ,Pervert, Punk, Killer, Wannabe Man, Born2baPunk, B*tch; take your pick, they are all synonomous with Joran:)))))))))))

I would love to meet him (Joran) and let him show me what a man he is, but I know he is too big of a chicken sh*t to mess with anything other than a comatose 105lb girl or those sissy little Kalpoe punks. Its fun to dream though:)))))))

Joran call me when you grow some balls. I would love to meet you wherever you say.

[Kermit]

I think she mentioned it on Dr. Phil. I know of one phone message on a students phone but not the second. The phone call message I know of was irrelevant due to the date.
 The phone call she talked about on Dr Phil was a young girl saying mommy help me

The "mommy " phone call, first with music playing was talked about on the Thursday November 17th,2005 Dr Phil show. This was later deemed a fake.

That is the phone call that Dave said was not Natalee. And this was referred to during the Katrina hurricane.
Thank you bleachedblack.

The first call with the message I don't know these guys was first posted and talked about on Abrams and
Dan on RWV and court TV etc.

[private eye]

But, Kermit, if the date on the phone call was May 28 (Sunday morning at 3:15 AM) instead of May 29 (Monday morning at 3:15 AM), then it could not have been Natalee calling while in distress.  So doesn't this negate most of these earlier references?

Where did you get that date from? What I posted or another post?

Thank you, that is the scenario Matt described. I couldn't ever describe it:)

[Kermit]

COULD THIS MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT WHAT THEY HEARD  ON THE NEWS SHOWS AND THE PHONE CALL?

I missed the Abrams show tonight with BHT, but over on courttv forum there's some very interesting info coming out about this interview.

A poster at courttv who heard the interview says that Beth said that the phone call that was placed at midnight on the night N disappeared was made to Mississippi (so to Beth's dad?), the phone caller named 3 names, said that N had been kidnapped.

It's not been stated by Beth that Natalee herself placed the call, at least from what I can gather.

That was why the FBI was called in right away, though, because of this call that said she was kidnapped.

Lots of discussion, some of it confusing, at
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=d7c1aee1261a445b2a015c55f02806a4&threadid=230697

May 30th a little after 12 or 12:30 when Beth received a phone call. She knew in 3 seconds after the chaperone told her that Natalee had not showed up in the group in the lobby of the hotel that Natalee had been kidnapped. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/1436558/posts?page=1369#1369

 

[Kermit]

I think the cover up started when Joran called Daddy that night Natalee became missing.
Remember something bad happened and Joran was going to show them where they burried Natalee, I think Joran was shocked when she wasn't  where they put her .
Why because Daddy had someone move her to a new location.
Cover up from the start.

Arrived at Van der Sloot home at 1:40 am

FORTY-SIX MINUTES LATER:

Joran places a phone call to Deepak at 2.26am

[Observer]

I originally heard there were 2 phone calls, one to the house and one to a student, and I visited with Matt and asked him what the deal was with the phone calls and he said there was NOT one to the house, in MT Brook, but to a students phone, and it was earlt morning but the "night before" Natalee disappeared. They just got the date and the AM PM thing wrong and got excited for nothing. I am assuming it was the one Croes listened with Beth. But I will try and check with her to make sure. If there was a phone call of significance, it would have been traced, verified, etc and been a large significant part of the case, and as far as I know it isn't.

It's been a long time and I wont bother finding the links at RWV if you say it never happened. Originally the rumors were 3 calls,William,A female MB friend and Natalee's home in Bama or Daves home in Miss on the answering machine. One of them was ruled out and there was two. It was never really talked about until the Team Natalee meeting or whatever they called themselves met in Bama,where Beth said there was never a call from Natalee.

Your right,If there was a call it should of been easily traced to the cell# that made the call.

[Kermit]

PI,

Consider: The reason Charles Croes was called in - to remove phone records
Consider: The reason Dave saw Charles Croes sitting in Dennis Jacobs office.
Consider: The reason Charles Croes posted online as early as June 2, the cryptic message about the case having far reaching affects.
Consider: The reason Charles Croes told Greta he listened to the phone call several times. What do you think he was trying to figure out.

NOW Consider the fact that Charles Croes met with Beth at the gas station at midnight.
He did not go back to the HI with her.
He took off on his own and is not seen or heard of until 3:00 AM where he meets Beth and Jug at the polis station in Noord.

12:40 AM until 3:00 AM Charles Croes is WHERE?
He says he went to the Cabana Beach area and that is only 5 minutes away.

for almost TWO HOURS Charles Croes is missing.

Consider: Charles Croes meets with Beth at the gas station, then listens several times to the phone call message and leaves and meets with Paulus van der Sloot. Who just happens to be using Anita's phone when Beth and the polis arrive!

There ain't no coink-a-dinks in life.

[Observer]

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.