Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 - 1/31/08

[private eye]

PI!!! I agree with you big time and I will back you up wherever and whenever help is needed. Rest assured,I will be telling everyone I meet in Boston about the hell the Aruban Govt and RAJPK2 have put Natalee and her Family through for 32 months.

I appreciate it and would feel willing to wade into anything with you by my side. My biggest regret is that I wasn't with Beth that first night as this thing could have been over right then. I would have never left the Sloots house until I got answers, no matter what I had to do to Joran. He should not have ever been allowed to pull this crap. He could and should have been made to talk right off the bat. But that is why Beth will get to heaven and I will have to beg to get in. She is a nice person, who obeys the law, and has manners and "cooth." That is why everyone is so supportive of her. I am afraid I wouldn't have much public sympathy for me nor her for her if I had been with her. But she would have her answers.

[private eye]

I think I need to watch the Razorbacks before the redneck in me takes over:))))))

[Blue Moon]

This is off topic but this story reminds me so much of Natalee and Joran (in fact the boy accused of this crime looked like Joran and acted like him).  A girl was raped and set on fire in her dorm room at Western Ky. Univ..  After raping the girl, one guy sprayed hair spray on the girls private parts and set her on fire.  The other guy was a witness to that occurance. The police arrested 2 guys (last seen with this girl at a college party).  The one guy is the step son of a very rich well to do family.  The mother speaks out for him and keeps him in the news by telling how sweet and innocent he is.  The case goes to trial, the other guy turns states evidence on this "Sweet kid" and testifies against him.  He admits his part in the crime and also what the other guy did to the girl.  Guess what-he is convicted for the girls murder and the "sweet guy" is acquitted.  Everyone believes to this day he did this crime to this girl but because the DA took it to trial without anything more than the other guys words there is nothing that can be done now because he was acquitted.  Life is good for the boy.  He was brought to court for violating a restraining order against his former girlfriend.  Good boy isn't he.  Now 3 years later his stepfather was found in his BMW at a rest area DEAD.  How did he die?  His BMW burned up with "Good Boy's" stepfather inside.  Although suspicious it is being said it was an accident. 

My point is---What goes around comes around.  This boy walked away from a crime he most likely committed and life is good for him.  But his step father dies from fire--the same as that girl that he went to trial for.  The pain that family went through along with having him acquitted was unreal.  Now his stepfather is dead by the same means. 

The crimes committed by those 4 (J2K and P) will come back some day and affect so many others and they will get their's in the end. (all mo)

[Lala'sMom]

Kermit
I don't care if you believe me or not...that is what Beth told me while I was standing at the table getting a book signed for Peaches. I can't elaborate any more since my next question was not about the phone call.  I took that to mean that Natalee did not try to call her the night in question.

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.

I suspect that either Eric Williams tipped off the VDS' and/or Charles Croes when he realized that the Twitty group was headed to their residence.  Keep in mind ... Jug confirmed that Eric Williams was Charles Croes "major friend".

I cannot comprehend the handlers (Alberto or Claudio) tipping off the VDS.  Afterall they had just found out Joran's last name ... his residence as well as observed Deepak's vehicle in the VDS' compound and ... shared all this infomation with Jug and Beth and ... took them to the police station.

The handlers discovery took place following the meeting at the gas station yet ... Charles Croes ended up at the VDS' residence.  How did he find out?

Also ... Eric Williams referred to the VDS residence as the "judge's house" to Jug Twitty.  How did Eric Williams know that Joran Van der Sloot's father was a judge.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.

It takes about an hour to facilitate seeing the security footage. 

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

He (Paulus) tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap posse riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  Charles the clairvoyant is in his car and continues to follow us around.


Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 19, 2005:

VAN SUSTEREN: What's going to be the mandate for this investigator that you've hired? I mean, what are you telling him to do or what's going to be his plan?

TWITTY: I think he's going to get down there and start asking questions. I mean, there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone, and we didn't find out until two days ago that this is an American — I think he was a DEA agent. I think he was just there vacationing, though.  But anyway, he helped us that night, and he also waited and said, Wait before you go to the judge's house. I want to go with you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html

[AZLady]

Well, I guess the matter of the phone calls is one more contradictory detail in a case that is full of contradictions.  I'll wait as I know that with time, all things are uncovered.  But, I won't forget what I've heard and seen with my own eyes.  I weigh the statements of different people and file them away for future judgement (not my own).  Time will tell.

[texasmom]

Evening monkeys...whether you choose to believe me or not this is the truth and the whole truth...I asked Beth about the phone call at her book signing in Birmingham last year. (The one Chuckrat attended)  I will repeat this again for those that may have missed it. 

Me: Was there a phone call from Natalee to you that night?

Beth: No, there was no phone call....I wish there had been.

The look on Beth's face was all I needed to see after that. 

Hmmm, which to believe:

Beth mentioned the phone call from Natalee on Abrams: "I don't even know these guys.." and it cut off.http://rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49&page=6&pp=10

BETH ON ABRAMS TALKING ABOUT THE CELL PHONE CALL FROM NATALEE
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/6331

"VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?
C. CROES: Yes, it did.
VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161373,00.html


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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:57 pm   Post subject: The call to Natalee's home from Aruba.    Reply with quote
First of all, the Twitty's never thought that anything bad could happen to the group of Mountain Brook graduates. Every year, the graduates went to Aruba and came home safe. And they trusted their daughter.

Apparently, Beth (Natalee's mother) was out of state for some type of family gathering.
Jug went to sleep. The phone rang in the middle of the night and he thought it must have been a wrong number. He let the answering machine downstairs record the message. Then Beth got a call to her cell phone from a chaperone in Aruba saying Natalee wasn't there for the flight home. Beth rushed from out of state, home to Alamaba where she and Jug listened to the phone message.

The phone call from Natalee was to her home number, where she lived with her parents. But the call didn't come from Natalee's cell phone because she left it in her hotel room.

The theory is that Natalee and Joran were dropped off at Joran's apartment. Natalee felt she was in trouble and called home from one the phones in the Van Der Sloot house. She called her home number and it is speculated that she said, "Mom, help me." There was a lot of background noise.

When Beth and Jug arrived in Aruba and met up with Greta, they went stright over to the Van Der
Sloot's house and she asked "Where is my daughter?" Then both Greta and Beth heard the same background noise that was on the phone message.

Greta went to investigate and found out the neighbors in the next house over went on vacation and left their pet monkey out in the yard (in the daytime heat) in a metal cage. The monkey was not fed, not watered and was very upset and complaining loudly. The monkey was the background noise that Beth heard on the answering machine re the call from Natalee.

This is something that Beth is keeping close to her chest/vest because it would seem to prove for certain that Natalee called home from the VDS residence.
http://truth4natalee.s3.bizhat.com/posting.php?mode=reply&t=352&mforum=truth4natalee


She said that greta and crew kind of adopted the monkey and took care of it while there. (I read on Greta's blog that she was feeding the monkey.) But that's why Beth thinks Natalee was at the VDS house.......the distinct sound of a screeching monkey.[color]
http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-26041


When we were at the Van der Sloot (search) home two days ago, and while  I was inside the home, one of my colleagues noticed that there was a  monkey in a cage in the yard at the house next to the Van der Sloots.  The monkey was making lots of noise and sounded to her to be in distress.  The cage was deep into someone's property but one could see the monkey  banging on his cage
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160602,00.html  (June 24, 2005)
So, today when we went back to the Van der Sloot house, we brought  fruit from the buffet in our hotel to feed the monkey. We brought bananas, ,  apples and other stuff for the monkey. This time we all went to the  monkey cage. I have posted some pics of us feeding the monkey and also  giving him water. The monkey whose name is unknown to us is very cute.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160602,00.html (June 24, 2005)

I took my video camera on Friday to the monkey's house so that I could  video for you the monkey as we fed him. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160904,00.html

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
 Thursday, June 23, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

Kermit,
I went to the first few links posted here and couldn't find where Beth discussed any "calls" other than the 911 calls that she made on her way back home the day she found out Natalee had missed the plane.  If you have a link to a transcript where "Beth" discusses the calls that may have been from Natalee please post it.  TIA

TM

[private eye]

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.

I suspect that either Eric Williams tipped off the VDS' and/or Charles Croes when he realized that the Twitty group was headed to their residence.  Keep in mind ... Jug confirmed that Eric Williams was Charles Croes "major friend".

I cannot comprehend the handlers (Alberto or Claudio) tipping off the VDS.  Afterall they had just found out Joran's last name ... his residence as well as observed Deepak's vehicle in the VDS' compound and ... shared all this infomation with Jug and Beth and ... took them to the police station.

The handlers discovery took place following the meeting at the gas station yet ... Charles Croes ended up at the VDS' residence.  How did he find out?

Also ... Eric Williams referred to the VDS residence as the "judge's house" to Jug Twitty.  How did Eric Williams know that Joran Van der Sloot's father was a judge.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.

It takes about an hour to facilitate seeing the security footage. 

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

He (Paulus) tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap posse riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  Charles the clairvoyant is in his car and continues to follow us around.


Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 19, 2005:

VAN SUSTEREN: What's going to be the mandate for this investigator that you've hired? I mean, what are you telling him to do or what's going to be his plan?

TWITTY: I think he's going to get down there and start asking questions. I mean, there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone, and we didn't find out until two days ago that this is an American — I think he was a DEA agent. I think he was just there vacationing, though.  But anyway, he helped us that night, and he also waited and said, Wait before you go to the judge's house. I want to go with you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html

It stands to reason that a DEA agent would know the owner of a phone company and a judge

[private eye]

But I never dreamed Beth would be in Aruba that very night, so I know I never intimated to whomever told me that Beth was coming there immediately, that night.

[bleachedblack]

Kermit
I don't care if you believe me or not...that is what Beth told me while I was standing at the table getting a book signed for Peaches. I can't elaborate any more since my next question was not about the phone call.  I took that to mean that Natalee did not try to call her the night in question.

Lala's I recall your telling about this when it happened, so I know what you are saying is true about Beth's response to the question regarding the phone call. On the other hand,Beth is a very smart woman who had been to other book signings and in countless situations where she has been asked questions about the case. Rather than get into a one-on-one conversation discussing the facts of the case isn't it possible maybe she denied the call for the purpose of
moving the conversation to other areas?

[Observer]

I thought Eric Williams was on Vacation? His source of Info had to be from Charles,How else would he know anything about Paul VDS being a judge?

[Buckeye]

Irrevelant to the disappearance on May 30, 2005 but very well could have been when the initial targetting was done.  I do recall there being "rumor" that one night Natalee was escorted back to her room, this phone call indicates confusion on Natalee's part.  She could have been targetted due to her being considered a "light weight".  Was JVDStoolscum present on that evening where the partying was going on by the MB group?  Think there was a reason that JVDStoolscum brought PVDStoolscum to the Holiday Inn Excelsior Casino Sunday night, check out the prospect maybe?  These perpetrator's are EVIL, it is difficult to even imagine this type of mindset.

I too have wondered if something hadn't been put into her drink Saturday night, when she was helped to her room.

[Magnolia]

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.

I suspect that either Eric Williams tipped off the VDS' and/or Charles Croes when he realized that the Twitty group was headed to their residence.  Keep in mind ... Jug confirmed that Eric Williams was Charles Croes "major friend".

I cannot comprehend the handlers (Alberto or Claudio) tipping off the VDS.  Afterall they had just found out Joran's last name ... his residence as well as observed Deepak's vehicle in the VDS' compound and ... shared all this infomation with Jug and Beth and ... took them to the police station.

The handlers discovery took place following the meeting at the gas station yet ... Charles Croes ended up at the VDS' residence.  How did he find out?

Also ... Eric Williams referred to the VDS residence as the "judge's house" to Jug Twitty.  How did Eric Williams know that Joran Van der Sloot's father was a judge.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.

It takes about an hour to facilitate seeing the security footage. 

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

He (Paulus) tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap posse riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  Charles the clairvoyant is in his car and continues to follow us around.


Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 19, 2005:

VAN SUSTEREN: What's going to be the mandate for this investigator that you've hired? I mean, what are you telling him to do or what's going to be his plan?

TWITTY: I think he's going to get down there and start asking questions. I mean, there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone, and we didn't find out until two days ago that this is an American — I think he was a DEA agent. I think he was just there vacationing, though.  But anyway, he helped us that night, and he also waited and said, Wait before you go to the judge's house. I want to go with you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html

It stands to reason that a DEA agent would know the owner of a phone company and a judge

But not if he was "vacationing on the island."

[AZLady]

Here's the link to transcript of Greta's interview with Charles Croes.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?

C. CROES: Yes, it did.

VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?

But, if this call was received the day before Natalee was missing, then it is of no consequence.

[Buckeye]

and there was that early talk that she left with a local drug dealer....

[private eye]

But I never dreamed Beth would be in Aruba that very night, so I know I never intimated to whomever told me that Beth was coming there immediately, that night.

Of course there is no telling who all else Beth called, and who all else they called, so he easily could have known. Was the US doing some joint something with Aruba concerning their airport or something at that time? It is really hard to remember the details of those calls versus all that has been reported.

[private eye]

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.

I suspect that either Eric Williams tipped off the VDS' and/or Charles Croes when he realized that the Twitty group was headed to their residence.  Keep in mind ... Jug confirmed that Eric Williams was Charles Croes "major friend".

I cannot comprehend the handlers (Alberto or Claudio) tipping off the VDS.  Afterall they had just found out Joran's last name ... his residence as well as observed Deepak's vehicle in the VDS' compound and ... shared all this infomation with Jug and Beth and ... took them to the police station.

The handlers discovery took place following the meeting at the gas station yet ... Charles Croes ended up at the VDS' residence.  How did he find out?

Also ... Eric Williams referred to the VDS residence as the "judge's house" to Jug Twitty.  How did Eric Williams know that Joran Van der Sloot's father was a judge.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.

It takes about an hour to facilitate seeing the security footage. 

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

He (Paulus) tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap posse riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  Charles the clairvoyant is in his car and continues to follow us around.


Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 19, 2005:

VAN SUSTEREN: What's going to be the mandate for this investigator that you've hired? I mean, what are you telling him to do or what's going to be his plan?

TWITTY: I think he's going to get down there and start asking questions. I mean, there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone, and we didn't find out until two days ago that this is an American — I think he was a DEA agent. I think he was just there vacationing, though.  But anyway, he helped us that night, and he also waited and said, Wait before you go to the judge's house. I want to go with you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html

It stands to reason that a DEA agent would know the owner of a phone company and a judge

But not if he was "vacationing on the island."

I never said he was vacationing did I?

[AZLady]

But I never dreamed Beth would be in Aruba that very night, so I know I never intimated to whomever told me that Beth was coming there immediately, that night.

Of course there is no telling who all else Beth called, and who all else they called, so he easily could have known. Was the US doing some joint something with Aruba concerning their airport or something at that time? It is really hard to remember the details of those calls versus all that has been reported.

..."their airport..."  Do you mean the FOL used for drug interdictions?  There has been speculation that a major drug bust was going down at this time and the wire taps were related to this. 

[Magnolia]

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.

I suspect that either Eric Williams tipped off the VDS' and/or Charles Croes when he realized that the Twitty group was headed to their residence.  Keep in mind ... Jug confirmed that Eric Williams was Charles Croes "major friend".

I cannot comprehend the handlers (Alberto or Claudio) tipping off the VDS.  Afterall they had just found out Joran's last name ... his residence as well as observed Deepak's vehicle in the VDS' compound and ... shared all this infomation with Jug and Beth and ... took them to the police station.

The handlers discovery took place following the meeting at the gas station yet ... Charles Croes ended up at the VDS' residence.  How did he find out?

Also ... Eric Williams referred to the VDS residence as the "judge's house" to Jug Twitty.  How did Eric Williams know that Joran Van der Sloot's father was a judge.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.

It takes about an hour to facilitate seeing the security footage. 

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

He (Paulus) tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap posse riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  Charles the clairvoyant is in his car and continues to follow us around.


Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 19, 2005:

VAN SUSTEREN: What's going to be the mandate for this investigator that you've hired? I mean, what are you telling him to do or what's going to be his plan?

TWITTY: I think he's going to get down there and start asking questions. I mean, there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone, and we didn't find out until two days ago that this is an American — I think he was a DEA agent. I think he was just there vacationing, though.  But anyway, he helped us that night, and he also waited and said, Wait before you go to the judge's house. I want to go with you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html

It stands to reason that a DEA agent would know the owner of a phone company and a judge

But not if he was "vacationing on the island."

I never said he was vacationing did I?

Jug did in Janet's statement just above.

[private eye]

Irrevelant to the disappearance on May 30, 2005 but very well could have been when the initial targetting was done.  I do recall there being "rumor" that one night Natalee was escorted back to her room, this phone call indicates confusion on Natalee's part.  She could have been targetted due to her being considered a "light weight".  Was JVDStoolscum present on that evening where the partying was going on by the MB group?  Think there was a reason that JVDStoolscum brought PVDStoolscum to the Holiday Inn Excelsior Casino Sunday night, check out the prospect maybe?  These perpetrator's are EVIL, it is difficult to even imagine this type of mindset.

I too have wondered if something hadn't been put into her drink Saturday night, when she was helped to her room.

Unless something drastic changed with Natalee after the summer immediately preceeding her 12th grade year, Natalee could not drink, period. She had absolutely the lowest tolerance I have ever seen in anyone. She obviously was not some one who drank.