Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 - 1/31/08

[bleachedblack]

I thought Eric Williams was on Vacation? His source of Info had to be from Charles,How else would he know anything about Paul VDS being a judge?

DEA probably has worked with Charles Croes in the past setting up phone taps, isn't that how they became major friends?
Personally never believed that vacation story.

[private eye]

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.

I suspect that either Eric Williams tipped off the VDS' and/or Charles Croes when he realized that the Twitty group was headed to their residence.  Keep in mind ... Jug confirmed that Eric Williams was Charles Croes "major friend".

I cannot comprehend the handlers (Alberto or Claudio) tipping off the VDS.  Afterall they had just found out Joran's last name ... his residence as well as observed Deepak's vehicle in the VDS' compound and ... shared all this infomation with Jug and Beth and ... took them to the police station.

The handlers discovery took place following the meeting at the gas station yet ... Charles Croes ended up at the VDS' residence.  How did he find out?

Also ... Eric Williams referred to the VDS residence as the "judge's house" to Jug Twitty.  How did Eric Williams know that Joran Van der Sloot's father was a judge.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.

It takes about an hour to facilitate seeing the security footage. 

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

He (Paulus) tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap posse riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  Charles the clairvoyant is in his car and continues to follow us around.


Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 19, 2005:

VAN SUSTEREN: What's going to be the mandate for this investigator that you've hired? I mean, what are you telling him to do or what's going to be his plan?

TWITTY: I think he's going to get down there and start asking questions. I mean, there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone, and we didn't find out until two days ago that this is an American — I think he was a DEA agent. I think he was just there vacationing, though.  But anyway, he helped us that night, and he also waited and said, Wait before you go to the judge's house. I want to go with you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html

It stands to reason that a DEA agent would know the owner of a phone company and a judge

But not if he was "vacationing on the island."

I never said he was vacationing did I?

Jug did in Janet's statement just above.

The language I remember was more he was there on some unrelated business or purpose, which could be vacation. But, Aruba, DEA agent, seems like there would be more reason than a vacation for him to be there. I can't see an official government office telling me that there was a vacationing agent there. She knew he was there, without checking with anyone. Of course maybe he was stationed in Curacco?

[San]

Consider this scenario:

The phone call is as the National Enquirer and the early transcript by Greta with Charles Croes reported.

Natalee made a phone call and said: "I don't know these guys"

Natalee left her phone at the HI

Consider: Natalee made a phone call from vds home.

Charles Croes is the guy who was called he said because it was believed a phone call was made from one of his phones. That is what he said on Greta.

Consider: If a phone call is made by Natalee at the van der Sloot home and someone in Aruba wants to protect Paulus and Joran, the phone records need to be gleaned so as to not prove that Natalee was where?
At Paulus van der Sloot home.

Consider: That is why Joran said they went to the lighthouse.
Consider: That is why Joran changed his story and said they were dropped off at the beach.

Consider: All the searches were done AWAY from the last place Natalee was seen. And no search done on the van der Sloot home for days and days and even then it was limited due to Judge Bob Witt and Karin Janseen did not object so she could do a proper investigation of the home and grounds.

Consider: All of the above, would be proof that Natalee was indeed taken to the van der Sloot home where something bad happened and the rest was covered-up by American traitors and judges in Aruba!

I have always believed there was a phone call.

The phone call is what got Natalee murdered.

[Magnolia]

Consider this scenario:

The phone call is as the National Enquirer and the early transcript by Greta with Charles Croes reported.

Natalee made a phone call and said: "I don't know these guys"

Natalee left her phone at the HI

Consider: Natalee made a phone call from vds home.

Charles Croes is the guy who was called he said because it was believed a phone call was made from one of his phones. That is what he said on Greta.

Consider: If a phone call is made by Natalee at the van der Sloot home and someone in Aruba wants to protect Paulus and Joran, the phone records need to be gleaned so as to not prove that Natalee was where?
At Paulus van der Sloot home.

Consider: That is why Joran said they went to the lighthouse.
Consider: That is why Joran changed his story and said they were dropped off at the beach.

Consider: All the searches were done AWAY from the last place Natalee was seen. And no search done on the van der Sloot home for days and days and even then it was limited due to Judge Bob Witt and Karin Janseen did not object so she could do a proper investigation of the home and grounds.

Consider: All of the above, would be proof that Natalee was indeed taken to the van der Sloot home where something bad happened and the rest was covered-up by American traitors and judges in Aruba!

I have always believed there was a phone call.

The phone call is what got Natalee murdered.

Me too, San.  I think that's when Joran lost his temper and hit her with the
baseball bat.

[San]

Consider this scenario:

The phone call is as the National Enquirer and the early transcript by Greta with Charles Croes reported.

Natalee made a phone call and said: "I don't know these guys"

Natalee left her phone at the HI

Consider: Natalee made a phone call from vds home.

Charles Croes is the guy who was called he said because it was believed a phone call was made from one of his phones. That is what he said on Greta.

Consider: If a phone call is made by Natalee at the van der Sloot home and someone in Aruba wants to protect Paulus and Joran, the phone records need to be gleaned so as to not prove that Natalee was where?
At Paulus van der Sloot home.

Consider: That is why Joran said they went to the lighthouse.
Consider: That is why Joran changed his story and said they were dropped off at the beach.

Consider: All the searches were done AWAY from the last place Natalee was seen. And no search done on the van der Sloot home for days and days and even then it was limited due to Judge Bob Witt and Karin Janseen did not object so she could do a proper investigation of the home and grounds.

Consider: All of the above, would be proof that Natalee was indeed taken to the van der Sloot home where something bad happened and the rest was covered-up by American traitors and judges in Aruba!

I have always believed there was a phone call.

The phone call is what got Natalee murdered.

Me too, San.  I think that's when Joran lost his temper and hit her with the
baseball bat.

I agree Magnolia.

[AZLady]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

[Observer]

I too have wondered if something hadn't been put into her drink Saturday night, when she was helped to her room.

Unless something drastic changed with Natalee after the summer immediately preceeding her 12th grade year, Natalee could not drink, period. She had absolutely the lowest tolerance I have ever seen in anyone. She obviously was not some one who drank.

That is the #1 misconception with Americans who havent followed this case. Some people still think she was hammered that night and used bad judgement. She may have had a little too much to drink the day before but not on the night of the 29th. It was never about bad judgement,it's about being drugged and preyed upon. We all know it and Aruba still hasn't been honest why these 3 showed up right before closing time and what similar things they did to girls in the past. I am confident Natalee never got into that car on her own free will. She was drugged by GHB and they went back in to get her before she was passed out on the floor of the bar.MO

We know Dan Riehl had two sources who said Deepak escorted her out of C&C 10 minutes after most everyone left.
http://tinyurl.com/39k757

Jossy told us this a few days ago.
“A bartender at the club where she was that fatal night has confirmed that two of the three suspects had to practically drag her to the car because she was uncertain on her feet”

[robots]

Kermit,

There is no doubt they were tipped off that Natalee's family was in route. Charles Croes would be as good as guess as anyone who tipped them off.

I don't think he was gone for two hours just telling Paulus the family has arrived.
I think he was at a meeting with Paulus at the house for those couple of hours - fixing phones!
Getting rid of evidence.

Remember it was his board of director attorney, Lincoln Gomez who immediately came on Fox and gave interviews. Follow the connection of him and you'll see the disgusting pattern that is weaved and they
usually end up at banks!

Remember I posted the picture of the CMB bank that Paulus went to make a deposit the next day, you know that is what most good dad's do when they have taken their son in for questioning is get to the bank!

The bank is next to Digicel!
Follow Charles Croes from the boss watch on Paulus wrist
to Lincoln Gomez
to Antonio Carlos
to the paid shills online
it will all start to add up

i added it up and it makes perfect sense

paulus was doing some of his own deal making

[klaasend]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

Maybe someone has told Beth not to talk about the call?  The FBI?  I'm just trying to figure out why the confusion about it.

[dennisintn]

Irrevelant to the disappearance on May 30, 2005 but very well could have been when the initial targetting was done.  I do recall there being "rumor" that one night Natalee was escorted back to her room, this phone call indicates confusion on Natalee's part.  She could have been targetted due to her being considered a "light weight".  Was JVDStoolscum present on that evening where the partying was going on by the MB group?  Think there was a reason that JVDStoolscum brought PVDStoolscum to the Holiday Inn Excelsior Casino Sunday night, check out the prospect maybe?  These perpetrator's are EVIL, it is difficult to even imagine this type of mindset.

I too have wondered if something hadn't been put into her drink Saturday night, when she was helped to her room.

that has gone through my mind a few times myself, but who knows who was around her that night.
dennisintn

[dennisintn]

and that night could have just been exhaustion, heat, and dehydration from being outside all day in the heat.
dennisintn

[San]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

I believe they were told by the FBI never say there was a phone call.  The FBI knows what Aruba is up to and they are not going to let the world hear it just yet.  Jug Twitty always said the world would be shocked and I think he was talking about the call.  Time will tell.

To this day every piece of evidence has disappeared.  This is why Aruba has tried every which way they could to see all the evidence the FBI has.

[Magnolia]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

I am not San, but IMO Charles Croes and company checked their records
and told the family that the call was made the day BEFORE

[San]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

Maybe someone has told Beth not to talk about the call?  The FBI?  I'm just trying to figure out why the confusion about it.

BINGO

[AZLady]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

Maybe someone has told Beth not to talk about the call?  The FBI?  I'm just trying to figure out why the confusion about it.

This has occurred to me, Klaas.  We know Aruba will not prosecute.  So, perhaps this very important piece of evidence is being kept under wraps by the FBI until this case reaches the appropriate court where justice will be served.  This is the only explanation I can come up with that makes sense.  I've been worrying over this like a dog with a bone and it just doesn't add up right.  I have to concede that this is one piece of evidence the family does not want revealed at this time.

[Tamikosmom]

I thought Eric Williams was on Vacation? His source of Info had to be from Charles,How else would he know anything about Paul VDS being a judge?

DEA probably has worked with Charles Croes in the past setting up phone taps, isn't that how they became major friends?
Personally never believed that vacation story.

Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008

<snipped>

2) Do you know who called in Charles Croes that first night?

Jug: Eric Williams

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta
June 30, 2005
 
C. CROES: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

[AZLady]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

I am not San, but IMO Charles Croes and company checked their records
and told the family that the call was made the day BEFORE

Maybe.  But the classmate who received the call would have the date stamp on his phone.

[robots]

paulus was looking on the computer about the effects of DRUGS and alcohol


the drugs were give by the k2 brothers and joran to NATALEE in such a way that she had no idea she was being drugged


i hate them all

[San]

Paulus is a murderer.  The call came from his house when Natalee was alive.  The bat was in Joran's room.  Paulus and others never got help.  Premeditated murder.

[AZLady]

Could this phone call be one of the infamous Shango/Simian's "singing cards"?  Naw.  I've been reading too much S/S.