Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 - 1/31/08

[hotping]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm ******* NAT STORY ******
Every tribe has bad Indians (………..)
Every fort has bad cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks (Reporter) and cowboys (Bad FBI) working well
Arawaks (Reporter) fear wrath of cowboys (BETH) for DirtyHand
But babylonians (The Sloot’s) live in teepees (Police Force) too.
If the house of babylon (The Dutch Court) is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians (The Sloot’s) who have
lived in teepees (Police Force), among the arawaks, (Aruba Law Enforccement) for a long time.
Babylon (Sloot) will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee (New Police Force) dwellers (Home)to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks (Aruba Law Enforccement) too
the sacrifice (Natalee) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (…..) and cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
cowboys (Beth)will leave without loot (Natalee)

There you are!

Thank you Caps!


Now you all know the truth.  Spread it around!

OMG...I get it now...with alittle help from My Hubby! Thanks Caps!

[msmarple]

Just for the record - The Murder & Crime thread passed 50,000 views today.

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Just for the record - I was at the Birmingham meeting ("or whatever it was called") and the Question/Answer session about THE phone call was actually a long conversation with many questions. I have posted this SEVERAL times but I will try one more time ...

The phone call message on William's phone --

* Was the call that CCroes listened to, several times, at the gas station.

* Was investigated by the FBI.

* Was from a Florida number and apparently a totally accidental call.

* Despite rumors about "I don't know these people" and "Are you calling home", there was NO HUMAN VOCALIZATION on that call. (Beth herself verified that, citing her occupation - a speech therapist.)

* There WERE odd sounds on the message. According to Art Wood, who also was at that whatever-it-was-called-meeting, it could have been wind, birds, monkeys, whatever, and any combination thereof. Art, who lives in Florida, added that "there are a lot of birds and monkeys in Florida" ...

I did not hear/read until NOW that the call apparently occurred the day before Natalee disappeared. If that was mentioned during that Q/A session, I missed it.

I don't believe for a second that Beth et al would deny the call as thoroughly as they did, if it were "evidence". I believe, instead, that a simple "We can't discuss that" would have been the reply.

I will interject that Beth seemed - in my opinion - to be genuinely bewildered by the interest in that phone message. A good 15-20 minutes was spent on it.

But consider the perspective - for her, that call was a dead end. For most of us, that enigmatic Greta interview with CCroes, and the rumors about what was said, have kept that call roiling - despite the fact that it has been thoroughly eliminated as a lead.

I think the interview was odd, and edited, to keep Eric Williams, DEA, and possibly the owner of the originating phone number, from being referenced - although I'm not sure that the investigation of the call had been completed at the time of the interview. 

Quite a few members of Beth's and Dave's families were present at that whatever-it-was-called-meeting. I won't name names for fear of leaving someone out. I had never previously met any of them.

I was "invited" in place of Anna, who was ill at the time, to talk about - what else - Murder & Crime in Aruba. I prepared a handout containing the then-current Summary, and a selection of other posts from that thread. SunFreak and I (who had not previously met) drove from Atlanta. She similarly prepared material from the Who's Who thread.

I was sort of "last minute" invitee and I initially could not get a room reservation at the hotel being used, but once we got there, a cancellation became available for me. We stayed overnight Friday and Saturday. Saturday was a very intense, all-day meeting at two locations, both of which had security guards present.

That guy from another island who came to Aruba to help search also was there - he is mentioned and pictured in Dave's book. Jamie Skeeters participated via conference call. An international lawyer was there. Richard and SB were other Monkeys there.

I *think* Dave sprang for pizza for lunch. ("Five for $5" from Pizza Hut, I think!) There was no provision, and very little time, for dinner - for most, it was fast food en route from one location to the other. 

It wasn't exactly a motley crew. As far as I know, all who attended were there on their own dimes.

Flame away if you will - just don't shoot the messenger. 

[Miss Scarlet]

ok...

In light that many of you are now becoming more focused on Paulus...

And for good reason...

On that fateful night Anita was is Holland with her two younger sons (according to the first versions we heard)...

Paulus is out playing with his son in the sinful game of "Help me pick up a cute chick cuz mommy is out of town"...Hence the Casino video of paulus sitting next to Natalee...Hence the K2 comment about "Your Own Father"...

I have said this many times since Natalee first disappeared -- Watch the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" -- keep in mind that it is a sub-plot in the movie that I am pointing to:


-A secret Sex club (rave party) where the influential and rich "get it on"
-Young girls being "recruited" for sexual purposes and exhibition
-The murder of one of the young women
-Cover-up of the murder by the rich and famous and influential
-Attempts to discredit important witnesses as well efforts to blame it on the girl

The smugness of Joran that "he didn't do it" (but in denial that he would be a direct accomplice even if he, himself, did not do it...

While not the same -- the movie strongly suggests to me that if you compare it to what we know and feel we might know about nat's case that indeed, there may be strong similarities.

I remember my good friend (for deputy sheriff) in texas who explained to me a couple of weeks after Nat disappeared that he felt Joran was recruiting (by date rape drugs) young tourist girls for his Dad.  All along my friend has felt that Paulus was the key.  Of course if you consider the depth of the cover-up and the levels of importance it makes you wonder if all these top, influential people on Aruba and surrounding islands just might have a "group" similar to the one in "Eyes Wide Shut" that they all know about and to allow one to fall would open an entire can of worms and they all would be exposed -- hence the statement of Paulus alluding to a lot of people would be hurt if the truth were to come out...Perhaps the "pimps" principle job all along was to drug and provide young girls for top government officials and their friends and collegues.

Think about it... certainly more and more folks are starting to smell something rotten that goes much deeper than J2K...

Foxy,

Never saw that movie, but heard about it and I always thought the same thing.

[texasmom]

Just for the record - The Murder & Crime thread passed 50,000 views today.

* * *

Just for the record - I was at the Birmingham meeting ("or whatever it was called") and the Question/Answer session about THE phone call was actually a long conversation with many questions. I have posted this SEVERAL times but I will try one more time ...

The phone call message on William's phone --

* Was the call that CCroes listened to, several times, at the gas station.

* Was investigated by the FBI.

* Was from a Florida number and apparently a totally accidental call.

* Despite rumors about "I don't know these people" and "Are you calling home", there was NO HUMAN VOCALIZATION on that call. (Beth herself verified that, citing her occupation - a speech therapist.)

* There WERE odd sounds on the message. According to Art Wood, who also was at that whatever-it-was-called-meeting, it could have been wind, birds, monkeys, whatever, and any combination thereof. Art, who lives in Florida, added that "there are a lot of birds and monkeys in Florida" ...

I did not hear/read until NOW that the call apparently occurred the day before Natalee disappeared. If that was mentioned during that Q/A session, I missed it.

I don't believe for a second that Beth et al would deny the call as thoroughly as they did, if it were "evidence". I believe, instead, that a simple "We can't discuss that" would have been the reply.

I will interject that Beth seemed - in my opinion - to be genuinely bewildered by the interest in that phone message. A good 15-20 minutes was spent on it.

But consider the perspective - for her, that call was a dead end. For most of us, that enigmatic Greta interview with CCroes, and the rumors about what was said, have kept that call roiling - despite the fact that it has been thoroughly eliminated as a lead.

I think the interview was odd, and edited, to keep Eric Williams, DEA, and possibly the owner of the originating phone number, from being referenced - although I'm not sure that the investigation of the call had been completed at the time of the interview. 

Thank you so much Ms. Marple for the information! 

[texasmom]

Hotping,
My hubby's sleeping, since he gets up at 5am, I probably would regret waking him for help in this matter.....Can you be of any assistance?

[hotping]

Hotping,
My hubby's sleeping, since he gets up at 5am, I probably would regret waking him for help in this matter.....Can you be of any assistance?

Sorry I didn't see Your Post until now...I'm multitasking.....Sure are You asking about what Caps posted? 

[texasmom]

Hotping,
My hubby's sleeping, since he gets up at 5am, I probably would regret waking him for help in this matter.....Can you be of any assistance?

Sorry I didn't see Your Post until now...I'm multitasking.....Sure are You asking about what Caps posted? 

Yes, Please help me understand if you can....

[hotping]

Hotping,
My hubby's sleeping, since he gets up at 5am, I probably would regret waking him for help in this matter.....Can you be of any assistance?

Sorry I didn't see Your Post until now...I'm multitasking.....Sure are You asking about what Caps posted? 

Yes, Please help me understand if you can....

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm ******* NAT STORY ******
Every tribe has bad Indians (………..)
Every fort has bad cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks (Reporter) and cowboys (Bad FBI) working well
Arawaks (Reporter) fear wrath of cowboys (BETH) for DirtyHand
But babylonians (The Sloot’s) live in teepees (Police Force) too.
If the house of babylon (The Dutch Court) is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians (The Sloot’s) who have
lived in teepees (Police Force), among the arawaks, (Aruba Law Enforccement) for a long time.
Babylon (Sloot) will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee (New Police Force) dwellers (Home)to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks (Aruba Law Enforccement) too
the sacrifice (Natalee) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (…..) and cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
cowboys (Beth)will leave without loot (Natalee)

Ok I'll try...Here goes....They are covering for the  Sloots and what happened to Natalee to prevent the Sloots from telling all they know about the Bad DEA  and Corrupt Dutch Government  and probably more....in other words no prosecution of the Sloots keeps the corrupt little island afloat or that's what they are hoping for anyways...Hope this makes sense...LOL 

[texasmom]

HP
I will post an email address if you think that would be better than a post.

[hotping]

TM...Go Back to page 14 and read the post by Silverfox....

[texasmom]

Hotping,
My hubby's sleeping, since he gets up at 5am, I probably would regret waking him for help in this matter.....Can you be of any assistance?

Sorry I didn't see Your Post until now...I'm multitasking.....Sure are You asking about what Caps posted? 

Yes, Please help me understand if you can....

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm ******* NAT STORY ******
Every tribe has bad Indians (………..)
Every fort has bad cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks (Reporter) and cowboys (Bad FBI) working well
Arawaks (Reporter) fear wrath of cowboys (BETH) for DirtyHand
But babylonians (The Sloot’s) live in teepees (Police Force) too.
If the house of babylon (The Dutch Court) is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians (The Sloot’s) who have
lived in teepees (Police Force), among the arawaks, (Aruba Law Enforccement) for a long time.
Babylon (Sloot) will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee (New Police Force) dwellers (Home)to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks (Aruba Law Enforccement) too
the sacrifice (Natalee) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (…..) and cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
cowboys (Beth)will leave without loot (Natalee)

Ok I'll try...Here goes....They are covering for the  Sloots and what happened to Natalee to prevent the Sloots from telling all they know about the Bad DEA  and Corrupt Dutch Government  and probably more....in other words no prosecution of the Sloots keeps the corrupt little island afloat or that's what they are hoping for anyways...Hope this makes sense...LOL 

Thanks Hotping!  I appreciate your help.  I still have some questions but maybe they will come out in others comments shortly.  I can fill most of the spaces...

[hotping]

Hotping,
My hubby's sleeping, since he gets up at 5am, I probably would regret waking him for help in this matter.....Can you be of any assistance?

Sorry I didn't see Your Post until now...I'm multitasking.....Sure are You asking about what Caps posted? 

Yes, Please help me understand if you can....

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm ******* NAT STORY ******
Every tribe has bad Indians (………..)
Every fort has bad cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks (Reporter) and cowboys (Bad FBI) working well
Arawaks (Reporter) fear wrath of cowboys (BETH) for DirtyHand
But babylonians (The Sloot’s) live in teepees (Police Force) too.
If the house of babylon (The Dutch Court) is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians (The Sloot’s) who have
lived in teepees (Police Force), among the arawaks, (Aruba Law Enforccement) for a long time.
Babylon (Sloot) will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee (New Police Force) dwellers (Home)to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks (Aruba Law Enforccement) too
the sacrifice (Natalee) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (…..) and cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
cowboys (Beth)will leave without loot (Natalee)

Ok I'll try...Here goes....They are covering for the  Sloots and what happened to Natalee to prevent the Sloots from telling all they know about the Bad DEA  and Corrupt Dutch Government  and probably more....in other words no prosecution of the Sloots keeps the corrupt little island afloat or that's what they are hoping for anyways...Hope this makes sense...LOL 

Thanks Hotping!  I appreciate your help.  I still have some questions but maybe they will come out in others comments shortly.  I can fill most of the spaces...

Me Too but I get the jest of it....LOL 

[texasmom]

Thanks Hotping

[hotping]

You're Welcome TM!

[texasmom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm ******* NAT STORY ******
Every tribe has bad Indians (………..)
Every fort has bad cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks (Reporter) and cowboys (Bad FBI) working well
Arawaks (Reporter) fear wrath of cowboys (BETH) for DirtyHand
But babylonians (The Sloot’s) live in teepees (Police Force) too.
If the house of babylon (The Dutch Court) is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians (The Sloot’s) who have
lived in teepees (Police Force), among the arawaks, (Aruba Law Enforccement) for a long time.
Babylon (Sloot) will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee (New Police Force) dwellers (Home)to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks (Aruba Law Enforccement) too
the sacrifice (Natalee) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (…..) and cowboys (Bad FBI or DEA)
cowboys (Beth)will leave without loot (Natalee)

Thank you for all of your efforts Capslockwizard!  Amazing.....

[hotping]

ok...

In light that many of you are now becoming more focused on Paulus...

And for good reason...

On that fateful night Anita was is Holland with her two younger sons (according to the first versions we heard)...

Paulus is out playing with his son in the sinful game of "Help me pick up a cute chick cuz mommy is out of town"...Hence the Casino video of paulus sitting next to Natalee...Hence the K2 comment about "Your Own Father"...

I have said this many times since Natalee first disappeared -- Watch the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" -- keep in mind that it is a sub-plot in the movie that I am pointing to:


-A secret Sex club (rave party) where the influential and rich "get it on"
-Young girls being "recruited" for sexual purposes and exhibition
-The murder of one of the young women
-Cover-up of the murder by the rich and famous and influential
-Attempts to discredit important witnesses as well efforts to blame it on the girl

The smugness of Joran that "he didn't do it" (but in denial that he would be a direct accomplice even if he, himself, did not do it...

While not the same -- the movie strongly suggests to me that if you compare it to what we know and feel we might know about nat's case that indeed, there may be strong similarities.

I remember my good friend (for deputy sheriff) in texas who explained to me a couple of weeks after Nat disappeared that he felt Joran was recruiting (by date rape drugs) young tourist girls for his Dad.  All along my friend has felt that Paulus was the key.  Of course if you consider the depth of the cover-up and the levels of importance it makes you wonder if all these top, influential people on Aruba and surrounding islands just might have a "group" similar to the one in "Eyes Wide Shut" that they all know about and to allow one to fall would open an entire can of worms and they all would be exposed -- hence the statement of Paulus alluding to a lot of people would be hurt if the truth were to come out...Perhaps the "pimps" principle job all along was to drug and provide young girls for top government officials and their friends and collegues.

Think about it... certainly more and more folks are starting to smell something rotten that goes much deeper than J2K...

I believe You are very correct Silverfox....I also believe that the Club is still in operation....I'm thinking of the California lady who is now missing from another nearby island.....This goes way deeper than just Natalee's Case......Really Sad...I hope someone can put a stop to it......

[hotping]

Good Night All Monkeys!

[texasmom]

Good Night All Monkeys!

Goodnight Hotping!

Goodnight Everyone!

Thanks again CapsLockWizard!!!  We appreciate your help!!!

Great post Silverfox!   So True....

I hope I don't dream about all those sick sick monsters in Aruba.....

[MumInOhio]

ok...

In light that many of you are now becoming more focused on Paulus...

And for good reason...

On that fateful night Anita was is Holland with her two younger sons (according to the first versions we heard)...

Paulus is out playing with his son in the sinful game of "Help me pick up a cute chick cuz mommy is out of town"...Hence the Casino video of paulus sitting next to Natalee...Hence the K2 comment about "Your Own Father"...

I have said this many times since Natalee first disappeared -- Watch the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" -- keep in mind that it is a sub-plot in the movie that I am pointing to:


-A secret Sex club (rave party) where the influential and rich "get it on"
-Young girls being "recruited" for sexual purposes and exhibition
-The murder of one of the young women
-Cover-up of the murder by the rich and famous and influential
-Attempts to discredit important witnesses as well efforts to blame it on the girl

The smugness of Joran that "he didn't do it" (but in denial that he would be a direct accomplice even if he, himself, did not do it...

While not the same -- the movie strongly suggests to me that if you compare it to what we know and feel we might know about nat's case that indeed, there may be strong similarities.

I remember my good friend (for deputy sheriff) in texas who explained to me a couple of weeks after Nat disappeared that he felt Joran was recruiting (by date rape drugs) young tourist girls for his Dad.  All along my friend has felt that Paulus was the key.  Of course if you consider the depth of the cover-up and the levels of importance it makes you wonder if all these top, influential people on Aruba and surrounding islands just might have a "group" similar to the one in "Eyes Wide Shut" that they all know about and to allow one to fall would open an entire can of worms and they all would be exposed -- hence the statement of Paulus alluding to a lot of people would be hurt if the truth were to come out...Perhaps the "pimps" principle job all along was to drug and provide young girls for top government officials and their friends and collegues.

Think about it... certainly more and more folks are starting to smell something rotten that goes much deeper than J2K...

I believe You are very correct Silverfox....I also believe that the Club is still in operation....I'm thinking of the California lady who is now missing from another nearby island.....This goes way deeper than just Natalee's Case......Really Sad...I hope someone can put a stop to it......

Hotping…I believe this is what COLUMBO keeps alluding to in the Shango/Simian thread.

Silverfox…great post…my question concerns Paulus younger sons and the changing stories as to where they were. They are his alibi….are they, per Simian, ‘the important others’ and the alibi that needs to be broken? They are part of the reason the entire house was not searched.

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning…Lots of great reading this morning…Thanks Monkeys….

Tyler….I just read about that major drug bust…will see if I can find the article. May have been D.E.A, Caribbean News. New Chief of D.E.A. for the Caribbean recently as well.

Msmaple…Thanks again!

Caps…I hope we haven’t woken the soldiers.

Dennisintn and hotping….someone posted an article about an agent with that name. About a court case, maybe his cover was broken. IIRC..Florida…2000 or 2002…

Hotping…it may be the other way around…who’s holding what over whose head

Texasmom….if what Caps says is true…it will never come out….maybe that is why Joran and Aruba is so cocky.

Kat_Gram…..Please elaborate on your monster. LOL

AZ Lady… could be the singing card is E.W…Oh hang on I posted before that he is ‘DirtyHand’

Quote: AZ Lady
I didn't think I saw any hands waving.  There is more to cover up here than a rape and murder by an out of control 17 year old punk.  We've seen reports of arrests of other people in Aruba for crimes equally as horrendous.  Joran and the 2K's are not so valuable they wouldn't be prosecuted unless something else is being covered up here.

BINGO!


Link to Eric Williams discussion from early December. It was discussed over quite a few pages from the evening into the next morning. Joran mentions U.S. agencies many times in his book and PVs. Paulus mentions him twice in PVs.…IMO that book is his way of telling that he has the ‘dirt’ on them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2417.400





Another old post that tells that FOP facilities are limited to counter drug missions…if anything was ‘overheard’ that night it could never be used!

January 01, 2008, 01:55:58 PM
Happy New Year Everyone!Copied my post from the S/S Thread.Today at 02:36:53 PM » Quote  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Interesting! Some light reading for New Year’s Day and seeing Simian told me to look it up, I did. May be our ‘bird on the wire’!

I don't think these links will work  and the last one has a must read article by Ms JA, the friend of mine and Frank's.

The 10-year agreements governing these facilities limit their use to counter-drug missions, mainly those of aircraft seeking to detect and monitor illegal drug-smuggling in the huge “transit zone” between the Andes and the United States’ southern border.
The agreements governing all three sites will be up for renewal within the next four years

http://news.nacla.org/2007/09/18/monitoring-the-us-military-presence-in-latin-america/

Forward Operating Location (FOL). Funding was provided to maintain and operate the FOL in Aruba. This FOL consists of 1 facility which is a building. FOL Aruba provides an overflow capability to facilitate counterdrug detection and monitoring operations within the USSOUTHCOM AOR. FOL Aruba provides communication and contracting support to aircrews. (PC9500) Total FY05 Funding: $1.534M. Cost breakout is as follows:
·   Bandwidth expense ($500K)
·   Civil engineering/contracting support to building/ramp projects ($552K)
·   Direct support to include Air Expeditionary Forces Communication person per diem and travel, lodging, environmental baseline study, and miscellaneous contracts ($430K)
·   Air Combat Command Program Management System expense ($50K)
·   Base operating support contract support ($2K)

 http://www.ciponline.org/colombia/blog/archives/000347.htm


Interesting article from someone we have discussed. Very interesting! I think it’s page 11 or 13…..


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/48722.pdf