Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 - 1/31/08

[Tibrogargan]

Posted at RU from this show   http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=290 :



Beth:
"Look at what they have done,
what they've done to Natalee, what they've done to our country.
What they've done to... to..."

Peter: "To you?"

Beth: Look what they've done...
look what they've done to Natalee"

This reaction and Beth's words would have to rate alongside the picture of Beth leaving the Aruban meeting supported by two men as the two most heart wrenching events in this whole sorry saga.

Even though I could probably accept no retributions to the perpetrators and those who orchestrated the cover-up I still hope that they all fry in hell.

[klaasend]

Posted by Daniel at RU:

Daniel Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:44 pm   

Again, to the nay-sayers, you would be wise to open up to the possibility that De Vries actually *did* crack the case. I understand your hesitation because you haven't seen anyone of any moral fibre on TV since Walter Cronkite resigned, but we haven't degenerated to that level over here yet. De Vries is a credible and legitimate journalist, and he's not going to make an ass of himself by raising expectations that he won't meet. 

[Nut44x4]

Joe T. is in Italy
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01302008/gossip/pagesix/lawyer_reports_305080.htm

[SunnyinTX]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

hi Peaches....ye,s as far as I can see...a new person...one not formerly known to aruban investigators...a plant???

[Peaches]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

I guess we have to interpret whether this means 1, 2, or 3 different people!!

I contend "person" is singular. 

Help me out here, Sunny!

[wreck]

Joe T. is in Italy
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01302008/gossip/pagesix/lawyer_reports_305080.htm

A Correlone family reunion??

[Kat_Gram]

The " they" might be referring to the people who dissed Natalee.. ie the Aruba ALE , the Aruban media, the Arubans we know from the Blogs, the Aruban prosecutors office, the ones who forever harp the answers lie in MB, let Beth take a lie detector, and what about Jug, he has connections to the White House, blah blah blah, the Joe T's, the Gerties, the crap that Karin Janssen wrote about is there a
relationship between Beth and Hitler, hey, let's just look and see if anyone in Natalee's family ever picked thier nose and blame them. 
All this to save their tourism ...
She ran away ...
She went to a party.....
I could go on and on..
Maybe there is enough to get JVSloot in a wrongful death suit and take away his " life " in another way.
And Aruba too...   

[casa]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

The phrase "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case" is what you call an appositive renaming Joran van der Sloot,thus it is set off with commas.  If you take it out read the sentence and you will see they are talking about Joran AND someone that has not been a suspect before.  That's this English teachers take on the comment! 

[SunnyinTX]

From http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/

Dutch TV channel SBS 6 just reported that there are strong rumours that Joran van der Sloot just confessed to the murder. Neighbours in Arnhem, where Van der Sloot studies law haven't seen him at all the last few weeks.

The Aruban Justice department is reporting that arrests will be made soon and apparently de Vries managed to get a hidden camera confession out of van der Sloot. The rumour is that van der Sloot claims it was an accident.

De Vries definitively stated that Natalee Holloway is dead and that he knows how she died and what happened to the body. Natalee's mother, Beth Twitty is reportedly flying back to the U.S. shortly.

thanks....I hope this is accurate!!

[Peaches]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

hi Peaches....ye,s as far as I can see...a new person...one not formerly known to aruban investigators...a plant???

Having just watched all the posted videos, I got the impression a young Dutch man (not formerly know to aruban investigators cuz he's Dutch and they only met since JVDS has been in school in Holland) had made friends with JVDS and once he realized WHO his friend was, he contacted DeVries to present the opportunity to perhaps extract information from JVDS.  JMHO

[wreck]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

The phrase "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case" is what you call an appositive renaming Joran van der Sloot,thus it is set off with commas.  If you take it out read the sentence and you will see they are talking about Joran AND someone that has not been a suspect before.  That's this English teachers take on the comment! 

What should be the proper punctuation to reflect 2 people?

[Peaches]

Joe T. is in Italy
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01302008/gossip/pagesix/lawyer_reports_305080.htm

A Correlone family reunion??

LMAO!  He was greasing up my TV screen a minute ago blabbering about something but I have the volume down. 

It's a good day, friends.  Have faith.  Be patient.  What's the phrase "watch and pray"? 

[casa]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

The phrase "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case" is what you call an appositive renaming Joran van der Sloot,thus it is set off with commas.  If you take it out read the sentence and you will see they are talking about Joran AND someone that has not been a suspect before.  That's this English teachers take on the comment! 

What should be the proper punctuation to reflect 2 people?

The punctuation is correct as it is to mean 2 people.  The appositive is set off in commas and that is correct punctuation.

[Tamikosmom]

Posted at RU from this show   http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=290 :



Beth:
"Look at what they have done,
what they've done to Natalee, what they've done to our country.
What they've done to... to..."

Peter: "To you?"

Beth: Look what they've done...
look what they've done to Natalee"

My heart breaks for the family of Natalee Holloway.

I am so skeptical that Aruba giving the family another ride on the emotional roller coaster from H---.

I pray with all my heart that this feeling I cannot shake is wrong.

I am going to wait this out and see what develops prior to again  boarding that roller coaster.  Been there ... done that too many times.

Janet

[Nut44x4]

VIDEO FRAGMENT OF THE INTERVIEW WITH BETH

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

[casa]

I think some may be reading it as what we call items in a series and thinking that it means 3 people.

[Peaches]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."
Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

The phrase "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case" is what you call an appositive renaming Joran van der Sloot,thus it is set off with commas.  If you take it out read the sentence and you will see they are talking about Joran AND someone that has not been a suspect before.  That's this English teachers take on the comment! 

Thank you.  You ROCK!  I didn't remember that it was an appositive but by golly, I was on the right track.   

[texasmom]

This accidental death scenario is crap!! All this say's for me if true is Joran is indeed admitting he is responsible. He opened up a can of worms and all the other evidence and witnesses will prove he is FOS about dumping Natalee's body by himself. Even if the death was accidental manslaughter theres alot more lesser charges to be tacked on like drugging her,rape,kidnapping and hiding her body. If Natalee's body is found I am confident the forensics will disclose a head wound and prove he is lying. Not only that but we know we have multiple witnesses who say Joran drugged them and sexually assaulted them in the past plus the bartender that had seen them practicly dragging Natalee out of C&C because she could barely walk. Also his psychologist who talked to Dan Riehl and he admitted Joran had drugged girls and has anger problems. It will all add up and Joran's accidental death bs will not be believable.

Let them try this scapegoat bs..It will blow up in there face bigtime!

AMEN *******!  And let's not forget OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE for so many involved in the coverup!  The world is watching now to see how this will be handled.  It's time to CLEAN HOUSE!

[Peaches]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

The phrase "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case" is what you call an appositive renaming Joran van der Sloot,thus it is set off with commas.  If you take it out read the sentence and you will see they are talking about Joran AND someone that has not been a suspect before.  That's this English teachers take on the comment! 

What should be the proper punctuation to reflect 2 people?

The punctuation is correct as it is to mean 2 people.  The appositive is set off in commas and that is correct punctuation.

You are GOOD.

[wreck]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

The phrase "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case" is what you call an appositive renaming Joran van der Sloot,thus it is set off with commas.  If you take it out read the sentence and you will see they are talking about Joran AND someone that has not been a suspect before.  That's this English teachers take on the comment! 

What should be the proper punctuation to reflect 2 people?

The punctuation is correct as it is to mean 2 people.  The appositive is set off in commas and that is correct punctuation.

Ok! It seems like there should be a semi colon or parentheses or something!