Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 - 1/31/08

[texasmom]

Posted at RU from this show   http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uitzending.php?id=290 :



Beth:
"Look at what they have done,
what they've done to Natalee, what they've done to our country.
What they've done to... to..."

Peter: "To you?"

Beth: Look what they've done...
look what they've done to Natalee"

Klaas, I'm catching up so if this has been posted, please delete my response:

I believe that Beth is saying "a country" not our country.  I believe she is referring to Aruba.  Just my ears and my opinion

[Scandi]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

The phrase "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case" is what you call an appositive renaming Joran van der Sloot,thus it is set off with commas.  If you take it out read the sentence and you will see they are talking about Joran AND someone that has not been a suspect before.  That's this English teachers take on the comment! 

What should be the proper punctuation to reflect 2 people?

The punctuation is correct as it is to mean 2 people.  The appositive is set off in commas and that is correct punctuation.

Ok! It seems like there should be a semi colon or parentheses or something!

Hi Wreck,  I think it is good too.  the appositive describes the name that proceeds it.  One could put this in parentheses but it isn't necessary as separating it with commas works in the sentence.  I think a semi colon would be used if there were more than one description given.

I had never heard the word appositive before, so that is interesting!


I sure hope something grabs hold in this case, and have a lot of faith in DeVries.  I heard him talking on a FOX interview over the phone a few min. ago. and when they asked if anyone else was involved in her death besides Joran he said - Could be!

Now that is not a literal translation.  One ear was bended as I was doing something else at the same time.  But it was the jist of it.  xox

[Nut44x4]

 ::MonkeyEek::Whoaaaaa.......even Black Tulip believes.... 

Re: False leads and false confessions are cruel...

jenna wrote:
I truly wish that these games would stop. I assume that Peter De Vries has nothing but some hype for his television program. I also don't know why so many people have taken advantage of this situation for their own purposes.

Black-Tulip Posted:
Oh no, I am sure he has something. You better take him serious, he is not a fool. He can't afford to come up with nothing.

[Lala'sMom]

If it was "an accident" and Joran disposed of Natalee's body
by himself....how'd he do that?  He had no car.
If he disposed of her on the Sloot property, the Dutch checked
everything there.  Just wondering.

......and if he used a boat, (which he doesn't own) he could have driven it (which he doesn't do) to the boat launch next to the Marriott. Then he would have had to get the boat off the trailer(which he likely wouldn't know) into the water and drive out into the ocean alone. Yea right........

Maybe she's not in the ocean.

[Nut44x4]

Yes.......Beth clearly says "A" Country....not our.

[truthseeker2]

If it was "an accident" and Joran disposed of Natalee's body
by himself....how'd he do that?  He had no car.
If he disposed of her on the Sloot property, the Dutch checked
everything there.  Just wondering.

......and if he used a boat, (which he doesn't own) he could have driven it (which he doesn't do) to the boat launch next to the Marriott. Then he would have had to get the boat off the trailer(which he likely wouldn't know) into the water and drive out into the ocean alone. Yea right........

Maybe she's not in the ocean.

I have always believed she was put in the quarry...in Moko.  But...who knows for sure?

[bleachedblack]

If it was "an accident" and Joran disposed of Natalee's body
by himself....how'd he do that?  He had no car.
If he disposed of her on the Sloot property, the Dutch checked
everything there.  Just wondering.

......and if he used a boat, (which he doesn't own) he could have driven it (which he doesn't do) to the boat launch next to the Marriott. Then he would have had to get the boat off the trailer(which he likely wouldn't know) into the water and drive out into the ocean alone. Yea right........

Maybe she's not in the ocean.

......anything is possible, but I guess I just believe she is.

[Lala'sMom]

::MonkeyEek::Whoaaaaa.......even Black Tulip believes.... 

Re: False leads and false confessions are cruel...

jenna wrote:
I truly wish that these games would stop. I assume that Peter De Vries has nothing but some hype for his television program. I also don't know why so many people have taken advantage of this situation for their own purposes.

Black-Tulip Posted:
Oh no, I am sure he has something. You better take him serious, he is not a fool. He can't afford to come up with nothing.

That's very interesting...since when has Black Tulip ever took anything serious.  hmmmmm.

[dennisintn]

VIDEO FRAGMENT OF THE INTERVIEW WITH BETH

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

thank you nut, that's heartbreaking to watch and hear.  i think she's saying "look what they've done to aruba".  shamed it.
dennisintn

[Blue Moon]

Notice how they say they know what they did with the body but are not saying it is retrievable?  I sure hope they can retrieve her body and bring her home to her family.

[AZLady]

Holy cow, you Monkeys are typing so fast I can't keep up.  Life called, and I had to leave for a couple of hours--that was back on page 20 something.  I do think there are inferences that someone else is involved.  Logic says it must be Paulus, but we don't have the information we need to draw conclusions.  We'll see.  The video of Beth is so heartbreaking.  Her soft voice carries all the sorrow a mother's broken heart can bear.  She is a strong and inspiring woman.

[Blue Moon]

The guy with "American Justice" was in Aruba with Peter. Any word from him yet?

[dennisintn]

Joran had lots of help afterwards. Then he had all of Aruba disrespecting Natalee and her family and anyone who went there to help. Why Why Why  ?   

to try to force natalee's family into "shutting up, go home, and get over it".
dennisintn

[thirdstrike]

Notice how they say they know what they did with the body but are not saying it is retrievable?  I sure hope they can retrieve her body and bring her home to her family.

Any idea as to what it is that they did with Natalee's remains?

[truthseeker2]

I wonder how much sweat has Paulus leaked today? 

[Magnolia]

Holy cow, you Monkeys are typing so fast I can't keep up.  Life called, and I had to leave for a couple of hours--that was back on page 20 something.  I do think there are inferences that someone else is involved.  Logic says it must be Paulus, but we don't have the information we need to draw conclusions.  We'll see.  The video of Beth is so heartbreaking.  Her soft voice carries all the sorrow a mother's broken heart can bear.  She is a strong and inspiring woman.

It was her wringing hands that hurt my heart.

[Scandi]

If it was "an accident" and Joran disposed of Natalee's body
by himself....how'd he do that?  He had no car.
If he disposed of her on the Sloot property, the Dutch checked
everything there.  Just wondering.

......and if he used a boat, (which he doesn't own) he could have driven it (which he doesn't do) to the boat launch next to the Marriott. Then he would have had to get the boat off the trailer(which he likely wouldn't know) into the water and drive out into the ocean alone. Yea right........

Maybe she's not in the ocean.

I have always believed she was put in the quarry...in Moko.  But...who knows for sure?

Hi Truthseeker,  Is that the quarry close to the VDS home that they searched briefly? 

In December I read something here on how she was killed, hit over the head.  It was like someone had snitched on what they had learned, and it included her being taken out to sea in a small boat.  Do you remember that, and I wonder if Joran said the same thing in this new recording?

[Anna]

I don't mean to be dense but when I go to the link for P & W, then what? 

".....A source close to the investigation told NBC that the information is a secretly recorded conversation between Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case, and a person previously unknown to investigators in Aruba."

Where are my English teachers?  The noun "Joran van der Sloot" goes with "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case".  AND  "a person...."  This would someone new.

The phrase "a Dutch man who was a suspect in the case" is what you call an appositive renaming Joran van der Sloot,thus it is set off with commas.  If you take it out read the sentence and you will see they are talking about Joran AND someone that has not been a suspect before.  That's this English teachers take on the comment! 

What should be the proper punctuation to reflect 2 people?

The punctuation is correct as it is to mean 2 people.  The appositive is set off in commas and that is correct punctuation.

Ok! It seems like there should be a semi colon or parentheses or something!

Hi Wreck,  I think it is good too.  the appositive describes the name that proceeds it.  One could put this in parentheses but it isn't necessary as separating it with commas works in the sentence.  I think a semi colon would be used if there were more than one description given.

I had never heard the word appositive before, so that is interesting!


I sure hope something grabs hold in this case, and have a lot of faith in DeVries.  I heard him talking on a FOX interview over the phone a few min. ago. and when they asked if anyone else was involved in her death besides Joran he said - Could be!

Now that is not a literal translation.  One ear was bended as I was doing something else at the same time.  But it was the jist of it.  xox

How about the preposition "between" being used to refer to two and when more than two involved, it should be "among" instead?

English teachers???  Not sure but that's what I think causes it to refer to only two.

[Nut44x4]

I wish they would hurry up and make some arrests before suspects start leaving the Country/Countries in which they are residing in now.....!!

[truthseeker2]

If it was "an accident" and Joran disposed of Natalee's body
by himself....how'd he do that?  He had no car.
If he disposed of her on the Sloot property, the Dutch checked
everything there.  Just wondering.

......and if he used a boat, (which he doesn't own) he could have driven it (which he doesn't do) to the boat launch next to the Marriott. Then he would have had to get the boat off the trailer(which he likely wouldn't know) into the water and drive out into the ocean alone. Yea right........

Maybe she's not in the ocean.

I have always believed she was put in the quarry...in Moko.  But...who knows for sure?

Hi Truthseeker,  Is that the quarry close to the VDS home that they searched briefly? 

In December I read something here on how she was killed, hit over the head.  It was like someone had snitched on what they had learned, and it included her being taken out to sea in a small boat.  Do you remember that, and I wonder if Joran said the same thing in this new recording?

Yes, that is the one I have been thinking of.  I came to that conclusion when I was reading the Shango posts.  He said it had to be solved on a particulr day or it would not be solved at all.  That day was the same day the search of the Moko quarry ended prematurely.