Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 - 1/31/08

[private eye]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

Maybe someone has told Beth not to talk about the call?  The FBI?  I'm just trying to figure out why the confusion about it.

There's not. It isn't an issue. If there is a phone call that will solve this case, then please give me the proof because as of tonight, their is no case confusion with a phone call, nor if their is a phone call, any reason on earth why it would be a secret or why the who, what, when, and where from would not be discovered.

[Bearlyhere]

Good Morning…Lots of great reading this morning…Thanks Monkeys….

Tyler….I just read about that major drug bust…will see if I can find the article. May have been D.E.A, Caribbean News. New Chief of D.E.A. for the Caribbean recently as well.

Msmaple…Thanks again!

Caps…I hope we haven’t woken the soldiers.

Dennisintn and hotping….someone posted an article about an agent with that name. About a court case, maybe his cover was broken. IIRC..Florida…2000 or 2002…

Hotping…it may be the other way around…who’s holding what over whose head

Texasmom….if what Caps says is true…it will never come out….maybe that is why Joran and Aruba is so cocky.

Kat_Gram…..Please elaborate on your monster. LOL

AZ Lady… could be the singing card is E.W…Oh hang on I posted before that he is ‘DirtyHand’

Quote: AZ Lady
I didn't think I saw any hands waving.  There is more to cover up here than a rape and murder by an out of control 17 year old punk.  We've seen reports of arrests of other people in Aruba for crimes equally as horrendous.  Joran and the 2K's are not so valuable they wouldn't be prosecuted unless something else is being covered up here.

BINGO!


Link to Eric Williams discussion from early December. It was discussed over quite a few pages from the evening into the next morning. Joran mentions U.S. agencies many times in his book and PVs. Paulus mentions him twice in PVs.…IMO that book is his way of telling that he has the ‘dirt’ on them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2417.400





Another old post that tells that FOP facilities are limited to counter drug missions…if anything was ‘overheard’ that night it could never be used!

January 01, 2008, 01:55:58 PM
Happy New Year Everyone!Copied my post from the S/S Thread.Today at 02:36:53 PM » Quote  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Interesting! Some light reading for New Year’s Day and seeing Simian told me to look it up, I did. May be our ‘bird on the wire’!

I don't think these links will work  and the last one has a must read article by Ms JA, the friend of mine and Frank's.

The 10-year agreements governing these facilities limit their use to counter-drug missions, mainly those of aircraft seeking to detect and monitor illegal drug-smuggling in the huge “transit zone” between the Andes and the United States’ southern border.
The agreements governing all three sites will be up for renewal within the next four years

http://news.nacla.org/2007/09/18/monitoring-the-us-military-presence-in-latin-america/

Forward Operating Location (FOL). Funding was provided to maintain and operate the FOL in Aruba. This FOL consists of 1 facility which is a building. FOL Aruba provides an overflow capability to facilitate counterdrug detection and monitoring operations within the USSOUTHCOM AOR. FOL Aruba provides communication and contracting support to aircrews. (PC9500) Total FY05 Funding: $1.534M. Cost breakout is as follows:
·   Bandwidth expense ($500K)
·   Civil engineering/contracting support to building/ramp projects ($552K)
·   Direct support to include Air Expeditionary Forces Communication person per diem and travel, lodging, environmental baseline study, and miscellaneous contracts ($430K)
·   Air Combat Command Program Management System expense ($50K)
·   Base operating support contract support ($2K)

 http://www.ciponline.org/colombia/blog/archives/000347.htm


Interesting article from someone we have discussed. Very interesting! I think it’s page 11 or 13…..


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/48722.pdf

[Bearlyhere]

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/48722.pdf

So sorry, at the risk of taking up too much space.  I was trying to reference the last document, page 14:

But the U.S. Mission to the
Netherlands Antilles and Aruba is a surprisingly complex
place to serve, due to the intricate dance that plays out daily
between the governments of the United States, the
Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

[Bearlyhere]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

Maybe someone has told Beth not to talk about the call?  The FBI?  I'm just trying to figure out why the confusion about it.

There's not. It isn't an issue. If there is a phone call that will solve this case, then please give me the proof because as of tonight, their is no case confusion with a phone call, nor if their is a phone call, any reason on earth why it would be a secret or why the who, what, when, and where from would not be discovered.

Thanks PI, this is what I remember from Dave's interview I mentioned last night.  (I fell asleep searching for it. )

I remember him trying to clear this up once and for all.  He was adamant about it.

[Bearlyhere]

More from the same document.  P 16 of the document (14 of the article)

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/48722.pdf

One of the primary duties of the Consulate General
remains the provision of consular services. While the
Consulate doesn’t process visas in Curaçao, the part-time
vice consul and consular assistant keep busy meeting the
consular needs of American tourists and residents. One
challenge the post faces is that the vast majority of U.S.
tourists to the Dutch Caribbean visit either Aruba—80
miles away—or St. Maarten—500 miles away, which are
reachable from Curaçao only by air. Deaths among cruise
ship passengers and imprisonment of drug mules, as well as
more typical welfare/whereabouts cases, repatriations and
medical evacuations, are all regular events. Consular visits
to American prisoners in Aruba and St. Maarten have
evolved into a consular lifeline for the thousands of
American citizens resident on those islands, as have less frequent
visits to the smaller islands of St. Eustatius, Saba and
Bonaire.
These islands are excellent sites for U.S. investment and
business. In addition to the strong U.S. presence in airlines,
airport operations and cruise ship services, U.S. firms are
active in providing financial and business services in a wide
range of areas. A U.S. company owns a major oil refinery on
Aruba in which $675 million has been invested over the past
five years.But back to the palm trees, beaches and piña coladas.
They’re all there, just as they have been since the native
Arawaks inhabited the island, long before the Carib Indians,
Spanish and Dutch colonists and slave traders arrived.

[MumInOhio]

Interesting reading, isn't it bearlyhere?.....

[BUCKSHOT]

[Lala'sMom]

Morning Buckshot...need coffee?

[BUCKSHOT]

I do not know how to post images. Someone, please instruct me.

Go here, http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2016.0 (as posted earlier) and look specifically at *******'s post (reply #4) 8/10/07 - 10:58pm.

This picture speaks a thousand words for me. If I recall, this picture is Paulus, observing a search (of the dunes????), from a distance.

The shadows match up perfectly and I feel that it is him for certain.

Wonder what he was doing there............................................

[Magnolia]

San, I have always believed this, also.  So, why would the family then say the phone call was made the night BEFORE Natalee disappeared unless it was made then?  I mean, I just don't see any reason to hide this phone call.  If it was made the night she disappeared, it could be the piece of evidence that would break open this case.  It just could not have been Natalee or the world would have known about this.

Maybe someone has told Beth not to talk about the call?  The FBI?  I'm just trying to figure out why the confusion about it.

There's not. It isn't an issue. If there is a phone call that will solve this case, then please give me the proof because as of tonight, their is no case confusion with a phone call, nor if their is a phone call, any reason on earth why it would be a secret or why the who, what, when, and where from would not be discovered.

Thanks PI, this is what I remember from Dave's interview I mentioned last night.  (I fell asleep searching for it. )

I remember him trying to clear this up once and for all.  He was adamant about it.

The call that Dave was talking about was a call that came to his phone or somebody
in Mississippi.  It was a child's voice saying something to the effect of Help Me Mama.
That was determined to be a wrong number and Dave went on to tell how his younger
children would play with his cell phone.
The call on William Morris' cell phone message was something different. The call to
William Morris' phone saying I don't know these people is the one in question,  I believe.

[msmarple]

For those who don't read back - Please read my post on Page 15 of this thread - about the "William" cell phone messsage.

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http://www.amigoe.com/english/   01/30/2008

With Venezuela
The Netherlands reserved with new weapon transactions 

WILLEMSTAD/DEN HAAG — During a Parliamentary debate with the standing committees for Economic- and Foreign Affairs, and State Secretary Frans Heemskerk of Economic Affairs (PvdA) about the weapon-export policy, Minister Maxime Verhagen (CDA) of Foreign Affairs said that he will be reserved about the licence request for new weapon-transactions to Venezuela.   

After Indonesia (278 million euro), Venezuela was the biggest weapon-export destination in 2006 with 196 million euro.  PvdA-Member of Parliament Martijn van Dam indicated that the Netherlands delivers a lot of arms to Venezuela and asked the minister weather the threats of president Hugo Chávez towards the Neth.Antilles ought to be taken seriously.  “The minister doesn’t seem to take that serious, because the Netherlands is still delivering arms to Venezuela”, said Van Dam. 

Verhagen answered that his predecessor (Ben Bot (CDA), red.) has granted a number of licenses for the export of arms to Venezuela and also gave some undertakings.  The minister adheres to being a reliable government.  He won’t thwart earlier engagements just like that.  The minister is indeed critical of the part that Venezuela plays in the region, however, he doesn’t want to go back on licenses granted earlier and hopes aroused.

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Note that this story has a Willemstad (Curacao) dateline.   

[BUCKSHOT]

Morning Buckshot...need coffee?

amen !!! (LOL)

[Silverfox]

At this point in time... IMHO...the real perp in this case is, indeed Paulus, and his pimp in charge of procurement, is Joran.

I reference both Kermit and robots...

and the three interesting facts:

1. Paulus obviously met Nat that night per the casino video (the video does not lie right Paulus?)

2. Paulus pointed out in the past that the truth would hurt a lot of people...

3. Joran says someday he will tell the truth (like the pot calling the kettle black)...

4. bonus... ("your own father")

If Paulus falls...so do the other "elders", including "dirty Hand" who all tasted the virtues of innocent young tourist women brought to them by the "pimps" through magic of date rape drugs...count the missing women and connect the dots...look at all the folks who suddenly turned their face from justice...because... they are all...

Guilty as Hell...Perverts...who like partake of innocent young female tourists!!!

[msmarple]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=846&Itemid=30

I wish I knew what this is about. Several mentions of tourism.

Berguenza pa mira dos adulto ta bringa dilanti turistanan na waf       

Thursday, 31 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD (AAN)—Tabata un berdadero berguenza di marca mayor pa mira con dos persona adulto cu mester duna ehempel na chikitonan, ta bringa cu otro anto pa colmo dilanti un multitud grandi di Turista cu a caba di yega Aruba via barco.

Teasta un arma blanco a wordo usa den e pelea aki. Tanto personal di Visibility Team como Polis di Oranjestad mester a bay atende e asunto bergonzoso aki.

Tur indicacion segun e comentario di e berguenza nan, ta cu un di nan (e mas chikito) a bay reclama e otro persona (grandi) encuanto un celular.

Pero cos no a keda te cu akinan, ya cu e persona di estatura chikito a propina e grandi un mokete den cara. E grandi cu no a perde pa gana, a saca un cuchio pa defende su curpa, pero na mes un momento a menaza di lo mata e yiu di e chikito.

Un bululu completo y pa mayornan di e esnan cu ta labora na porta di waf y cu a yega cerca, a laga na vos rezona pa hiba e dos nan aki y cera nan un par di dia, ya cu loke nan a haci ta un berguenza di marca mayor.

Na varios oportunidad ya caba, a yega di Sali den e matutino aki, un peticion na e instancianan concerni, pa ataca e asunto aki cu dos man y tur persona cu haci algo cu ta perhudica nos Turismo, pa laga cera e persona nan aki pa basta dia, pone nan traha oranan largo haciendo e Isla limpi y permiti di pone nan potret na grandi pa tur hende sa cu esakinan ta esnan cu ta cabando cu nos Turismo, pero te ainda nada di esey no a sosode.

Online Pap translation:

berguenza for see two adult is fight fast turistanan at platform

thursday, 31 january 2008

oranjestad (aan)—tabata one berdadero berguenza of mark parent for see con two person adult cu have to give ehempel at chikitonan, is fight cu another then for colmo fast one multitud big of tourist cu owing to end of arrive aruba via barco.

teasta one arm blanco owing to wordo using in the action here. tanto personal of visibility team because; police of oranjestad have to owing to bay atende the asunto bergonzoso here.

all indicacion according the comentario of the berguenza they, is cu one of they (e more chikito) owing to bay reclama the another person (grandi) encuanto one celular.

but cos not owing to stay till cu akinan, already cu the person of estatura diminutive owing to propina the big one fist in cara. the big cu not owing to lose for earn, owing to saca one cuchio for defende his curpa, but at self one instant owing to menaza of will kill the child of the diminutive.

one bululu completo y for parents of the esnan cu is labora at door of platform y cu owing to arrive close, owing to let at voice rezona for take away the two they here y close they one pair of day, already cu thing they owing to haci is one berguenza of mark parent.

at several oportunidad already end, owing to arrive of leave in the matutino here, one peticion at the instancianan concerni, for ataca the asunto here cu two hand y all person cu haci algo cu is perhudica we turism, for let close the person they here for enough day, place they work oranan largo haciendo the island clean y permiti of place they potret at big for everybody know cu esakinan is esnan cu is cabando cu we turism, but till still nothing of esey not owing to sosode.

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Just a reminder that home break-ins happen on Aruba.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=848&Itemid=30

Casnan na Paradera a haya bishita di ladron       

Thursday, 31 January 2008 

ORANJESTAD (AAN) – Na diferente cas na Paradera, Polis mester a acudi pa tende cu antisocialnan of ladronnan a drenta y horta cos cu no ta di nan.

Esaki sigur ta pone un atmosfera hopi fastioso pa e propietarionan sigui biba cu ne, ya cu constantemente bo ta keda cu sensacion cu lo tin hende den bo cas.

Na un di e casnan, un mucha muher a yega cas y ta haya un antisocial (nan) para paden den cas. Na un otro cas, e antisocial (nan) a drenta y horta diferente articulo for di den frishidere y for di den cashi. Pero e daño mas grandi ta e temor cu e antisocialnan aki ta laga atras pa e propietarionan.

Online Pap translation:

casnan at paradera owing to achieve visit of thief

thursday, 31 january 2008

oranjestad (aan) – at various cas at paradera, police have to owing to acudi for hear cu antisocialnan or ladronnan owing to enter y steal cos cu do not of they.

this assure is place one atmosfera much fastioso for her propietarionan follow live cu ne, already cu constantemente are you stay cu sensacion cu will have person in do you cas.

at one of the casnan, one child muher owing to arrive cas y is achieve one antisocial (nan) stop inside in cas. at one another cas, the antisocial (nan) owing to enter y steal various articulo for of in frishidere y for of in cashi. but the damage more big is the temor cu the antisocialnan here is let behind for her propietarionan.

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[klaasend]

I don't normally quote Jenna at RU but this time she found an interresting old article:

June 9, 2005

SCARBOROUGH: With the arrest of three more suspects and also the search for Natalee Holloway entering the 11th day and counting, the question remains, what could have happened to this beautiful, intelligent, attractive young girl from Mountain Brook, Alabama?

With me now to talk about it is Marjanne Havelaar. She is the editor of “The Amigoe,” which is, from what I understand, Marjanne, the largest Dutch-language newspaper on the island.

Thank you for being with us tonight.

Your island is such a safe island. I know this has to be a shock to everybody down there. How often do you have tourists from America or any other country end up missing like this?

MARJANNE HAVELAAR, EDITOR, “THE AMIGOE”: As far as I can remember, it never happens. I work as an editor for five years now on this island. I live here for 15 years. And something like this, it‘s really the first time.

SCARBOROUGH: It just doesn‘t happen.

Now, let me ask you something. You know the family of the Dutch teen. Obviously, they‘re a very well respected family there. What can you tell us about them tonight?

HAVELAAR: Yes. You‘re right. It‘s a very respected family. As we know, the father is a local judge. The mother is a teacher. I mean, they have three kids. They‘ve never been in trouble. It‘s a normal, decent family, nothing extraordinary about them. So, this came really as a shock that their son was named as one of the suspects.

SCARBOROUGH: Yes. I‘m sure a lot of people are shocked by that.

Let me ask you something. Last night, we had an FBI profiler come on this show. And they said, you know, one of the things that happens, not only in Aruba, but happens—I mean, it happens in Miami. It happens all across America, all across the world, is, sometimes, you have date rape drugs that are slipped into drinks. It happens on college campuses. A lot of speculation that that may have happened in this case.

Has that ever happened in Aruba before? Have police or newspapers ever felt the need to issue warnings to tourists because this happens?

HAVELAAR: Yes. It‘s something that happens on Aruba. It happened a few times last—over the last few years.

And, sometimes, in our paper, we issue a warning, not only for the tourists, but also for the local teens. Once in a while, we hear information about this kind of thing.

scrux.com/natalee/clonedmsnbcjune9.htm

[BUCKSHOT]

Consider: All the searches were done AWAY from the last place Natalee was seen. And no search done on the van der Sloot home for days and days and even then it was limited due to Judge Bob Witt and Karin Janseen did not object so she could do a proper investigation of the home and grounds.
Consider: All of the above, would be proof that Natalee was indeed taken to the van der Sloot home where something bad happened and the rest was covered-up by American traitors and judges in Aruba!


Why would they even search the house, if those who signed the search warrant knew they would not be prosecuting the case to the best of their abilities.  What did those investigators, who searched the home, think they were doing in the house, or did they also know that it was just for show.  I am just trying to understand the logistics of the chirade.  They could have entered the home, closed the door for a few hours, drank some lemonade, ate lunch, and took out the VDS trash in white bags and special containers for all we know.

We all know that it was a dog and pony show for the media and (US)public.  It also could have been a clean up team, posing as an investigative team, in the form of a search warrant execution.   What a thought...............

I can not really remember them searching the Kalpoe home, as they did the Sloots.  They, too, were suspects.

[JusticeforNatalee]

Good morning, everyone! Mini-Update:


Plans are coming together very well for Boston and NY!

Vicki is still working very hard to pull it all together.
Kudos to Vicki!

People are still needed and also donations would be greatly appreciated. Funds are running low due to the numerous expenses incurred for TWO back-to-back shows. It costs a lot to make flyer copies, to ship the signs, to purchase hundreds of giveaway message items (totes/magnets/pens); and also sometimes gas money is needed.

So, please help if you can. Thank you very much, fellow monkeys! Let’s continue to stand for Natalee and her justice due!

Please contact Vicki: JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com

 

[BUCKSHOT]

Consider: All the searches were done AWAY from the last place Natalee was seen. And no search done on the van der Sloot home for days and days and even then it was limited due to Judge Bob Witt and Karin Janseen did not object so she could do a proper investigation of the home and grounds.
Consider: All of the above, would be proof that Natalee was indeed taken to the van der Sloot home where something bad happened and the rest was covered-up by American traitors and judges in Aruba!
______________________________________________________________________________

Why would they even search the house, if those who signed the search warrant knew they would not be prosecuting the case to the best of their abilities.  What did those investigators, who searched the home, think they were doing in the house, or did they also know that it was just for show.  I am just trying to understand the logistics of the chirade.  They could have entered the home, closed the door for a few hours, drank some lemonade, ate lunch, and took out the VDS trash in white bags and special containers for all we know.

We all know that it was a dog and pony show for the media and (US)public.  It also could have been a clean up team, posing as an investigative team, in the form of a search warrant execution.   What a thought...............

I can not really remember them searching the Kalpoe home, as they did the Sloots.  They, too, were suspects.

They probably wanted to make sure that another investigative body (FBI) would not be able to trace a crime.  Therefore, posing as a search warrant execution, they cleaned the house really good, cleansing it of damaging evidence.

Makes ya think................

[Starr]

Anyone watching FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????
I am in my office but hearing There is a report on Aruba and Mos

[klaasend]

Anyone watching FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????
I am in my office but hearing There is a report on Aruba and Mos

Thanks for the heads up..just turned on Fox and will report if they say anything!