Natalee Case Discussion #717 1/31 - 2/01/08

[truthseeker2]

PER MF @ RU
translated by me
Joran van der Sloot Natalee Holloway has not killed, but he was involved in the disappearance of her body leave. This can be seen from pictures by Peter R. De Vries has made of Joran van der Sloot, sources have confirmed to the NIS.

THEN MF posts >>>>

According to NOS, Joran said on tape that KG helped him disposed of the bodies. Kalpoes not involved. Natalee collapsed and he thought she died. 

Wow...that leaves a lot to the imagination.  What if she wasn't dead and they 'disposed' of her 'body'? 

[Lala'sMom]

PER MF>>>>>>>>
Natalee zou op het strand onwel zijn geworden toen ze seks had met Joran. Die liet daarna een vriend komen die het lichaam met een bootje naar zee bracht en daar overboord gooide. Op welk moment het meisje overleed, is niet duidelijk.

De vriend met de boot zou niet een van de Surinaamse broers zijn die eerder als verdachten werden aangemerkt.


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Natalee on the range indisposed become then them will have sex with
Joran. Those let come afterwards a friend who brought the body with a
small boat to sea and there overboard threw. On which moment the
little girl died, is not clear.

The friend with the boat would not be of the Surinamese brothers who
suspected rather as were commented.

Which one of these guys knew how to determine she was deceased?  I thought Satish was the doctor wannabe in the bunch?  What if she wasn't dead?

[Nut44x4]

it is taking 4ever to make a post

nut I am using firefox and it's smooth...if i use any other it's S-----L------O----W

I don't think I can use that with WIN ME...

and yes.......Koen and his boat, imagine that!!!!!!!

[Lala'sMom]

Could Shango's cryptic message actually mean what some of us have thought all this time?  That she was not dead when they carried her out to sea? 

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Mary never heard the buoy toll
ask the men who play dice and “roll”

[JA]

Phone call-

"Dad I've got myself into some trouble.  I picked up a tourist girl and had sex with her and she passe dout and is now dead."

"Well,, get her out on his boat and throw her overboard way out to sea.  I'll start making up a plan in case the finger comes pointing back to you.  Who else knows you were with this girl?  Do what you ahve to do, I'm going to call Uncle Jan right now and explain the situation as well as get on the computer and see what I can find out about alcohol and drug fatal overdoses."

"The Kalpoe brothers."

"I need to talk with them.  You are not going down for this girl being so irresponsible."

"Oh, and don't mention anything about this to your mother.  If it comes down to anyone knowing about you being with this girl make up the usual about this girl wanting you.  She'll understand that and I'm sure being the fool she is will believe anything else you want to add."

"Thanks for understanding, Dad."

"You're my boy Sporter.  You'd do the same for me."


"Your own father...unbelieveable"

[Nut44x4]

Joran..........Koen.........Sander

[klaasend]

Sorry was gone for a couple hours. 

KOEN GOTTENBOS

[Puzzler]

If I understand the developments correctly. Joran has confided to his parents that he has "confessed" to an associate. Better to hear it from the Sporter himself and begin the damage control.

This all appears to have happened BEFORE the Pauws en Witteman broadcast. If I am correct.

So, if that is true. We would have all four of the players in involved in the round table discussion (Paulus, Joran, Anita and DeVries) all aware that Joran has "confessed" and yet the Sloots continue the charade as if they are from some special entitlement class that is at liberty to kill and dispose of other human beings without impunity.

The gall of these Sloots never seizes to amaze us all.

To have the gumption and balls to sit there and lie to the entire country of Holland (in a attempt to revitalize their reputations), all the while knowing that every word out of their mouths was pure unadulterated lying. In my opinion there is not a prison harsh enough or a sentence long enough for this "special class" of Dutch Royalty.

Have a nice day - J4N

If this is true, I hope the "world" becomes aware of the latest lie from the 'Sloots.

Also, surely, there comes a point at which Aruba is sooooo exposed that the authorities can no longer continue their "COVER-UP"!!

[truthseeker2]

Joran..........Koen.........Sander

And Sander's phone was 'stolen' on Mya 30th.  I hope they get the records for that phone.  They should have done that back in June of 2005.

[klaasend]

Comparison of Ramsies to the guy with Joran that was taken last night in the NL.  Hard to say if it's Ramsies, the pic on the left was taken in 2004 and the right last night:

[klaasend]

So Greta is in the NL.  If Beth is still there I'm glad Greta is there as well.

[Lala'sMom]

Wait a minute!! Joran had sex with her and he thought she had died?  Thought she had died...and he decided to take her body out to sea?  WTH?  He thought she was dead so let's just dump her out there in the ocean?  WTH?  Koen actually comes to his aid??  Joran calls Koen and he comes right over and helps Joran take the body of a possibly dead girl, places her in his boat, and motors right out to the deep area and dumps her there? WTH?  Why didn't Koen's father do something when he found out?  Who's complicit here?  A whole bunch of people...a whole bunch!!! MOO

[MumInOhio]

Joran..........Koen.........Sander

Security Guards Mom in an interview said it was racial why her son was arrested...3 white guys...Have some stuff in the other thread, but don't have time to look for it now.

[Destiny]

This may be the Kalpoes lucky day.

No indication points to them. Time to come out and tell what they know.........

All eyes on Joran.

I TOTALLY agree with Bucksot on this point!

Hi Monkies....I've not been posting, partly due to still wearing my Christmas Garb...bad, bad me.  CBB, I left a message for you in the AVI lounge

This is great news....I hope. I hope the Karma Bus runs over the whole dang island!

Destiny

[Dihannah1]

Please, Everybody.  Let Beth, Dave and JQK decide if this is worthy information, something that can bring resolution about for Beth, Dave and their families. We doubted everybody, we doubted Mos, and we have voiced doubts about John Q Kelly, and even have questioned Jossy's motives, close to the point of accusing him of being a trafficker of drugs and humans and then on the other hand, we start demanding he get all the answers for us, that he just shut down the press unless it answers our questions and sadly enough, I admit some of us sound like we want him to come and babysit us.  Now, we are going to dash all hope that Dave & Beth might have, that confidence they have put in the Persistence, in Peter de Vries.  Stop it.  Beth will know when to tell us to doubt. 

In the main scheme of things, our opinions matter only to us, so let's not pick apart that which, albeit perhaps painful for Beth and Dave to face, but it least it is a point where they can know maybe, just maybe, what happened to Natalee and be it ever so painful, it is time they had some resolution.  We knew all along this was not going to be a pretty ending. 

Why would anyone ask if Peter de Vries has a motive?  Yes, that is the job of any good journalist, to investigate, to get answers, and think about it--- just think about it --- how many of us would risk our lives going into the lion's den of Aruba to seek answers the way Peter has.  Now, let's quit wallowing in our own self-pity of not being the ones to solve the case and let Beth decide if she thinks this warrants any merit.

Let Hans Mos have another crack at it, if he chooses to but let's quit bashing everybody that tries to help.  There are very few who have stood by Beth, and even if it was for some kind of self-gratification or whatever, Jossy and Peter have been there for her. 

Dana is going to have Jossy on his program.  Let's support Jossy and Dana by our careful and close participation.  Dana does a great job of finding the best questions for his guests.  He is a great host and he is "one of us," although we do not give him in return all that he does for our cause.  I am as guilty as the next person as I am not even able to pick up his program any longer with this silly computer, but I read the transcripts and I want to know what was said because I trust Dana to get the information we want from his guests.  He is trained, experienced and above all very savvy in questioning people, it was his life and still is.  So let's hand off some questions to Klaasen to forward to Dana, that he might be able to ask Jossy.

Red has a "pulpit" of sorts and a means by which to communicate with Beth, with Dana, with Jossy and perhaps he can get answers for us before we start once again desecrating anyone who has tried to help.  Red is our own.  He is our go-to-guy.  Klaas is his conscience and right-hand.  I am sure they will get information for us when they can.  In the meantime, let's settle down, support Beth and try to be patient.

Off my soapbox.

    I love your honest and thoughtful posts always, but this is very true!

ok, back to catching up.

[JA]

You wonder where it wa she had sex with her.  I know the Kalpoe's have also told several stories, but where do we think the Kalpoes last left Natalee and Joran off?

[Magnolia]

Well, the Kalpoes are pure nuts to have kept their mouths shut
about all of this.
Why did they work so hard to establish alibis and lawyer up
from the git go.

[Bearlyhere]

She hit her head and drowned...

Did they bang her head tossing her out of the boat?

[CapsLockWizard]

This one is a alive Natalee to compair too.

Klaasend

Where did you got these Picture

on of the picture has a time and date on it and it poster in revers

Check it out

I think it say 04/21 that is april 21 but no year

Now how is an April/21 picture associate for May Activity

[Lala'sMom]

So is Koen the 5th suspect?  Mum?  Where are you?  We have considered him often...but never made the alibi connection other than that supposed family get together.