Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 - 2/02/08

[Blue Moon]

typical joran

no need to worry

the tape will tell it all


he is jsut telling more lies

what he says in the tape will match up PERFECTLY with other things

BYE BYE JORAN and PAULUS

Typical isn't.  Aruba makes sure Ma and Pa know what is happeninig ahead of time to as to bring their little Sporter back in line with a cover story.  They have him this time, all they have to do is JUST DO IT for gawds sake.

[Dayhiker]

Posted on the front page of SM:

littlemonkey wrote:


Joran v d Sllot says it was a joke, meant to impress een older person whom he admired. His story ie now that it was very stupid, but he wanted very much to impress. He partucipated 10 minutes ago, telephonically in a Dutch news program (the same where the winw incident took place). He was at his grandmother’s place in the Netherlands.

Out clubbing last night, hiding out at Gramma's house today. Busy boy. I thought he said that last interview was the last one he was going to do?

[klaasend]

Here is the latest from Natalee's Freebirds:


The Deposit That Wasn't


What Was Paulus van der Sloot Really Doing at the Bank?

May 30th 2005 – Paulus van der Sloot stated he made two separate trips to the bank, for the purpose of depositing Joran’s gambling winnings from the night before.

How could Paulus have deposited Joran’s winnings from the night before?

Joran had not won any monies the previous night – he had lost.

Could Paulus have simply tried to use a “deposit” as his excuse for being gone from work on May 30 2005 at around 10:00 am?

Could he have read an official statement given to police by Andre Dos Santos about Joran’s winnings from May 30th, and tried to confuse the issue by saying Joran had won that money on May 29th instead – thus giving himself a plausible reason for going to the bank on May 30th at 3:30 pm?

Paulus was arrested 3 days after Andre gave his statement to authorities, and according to Aruban attorney David Kock, defense attorneys were receiving such statements within 3 or 4 days of them being given.

Did Paulus use information from Andre’s statement to then mislead investigators about his true reason for being at the bank and speaking with Ruth Dijkhoff at 3:30 pm on May 30th?

MAY 29TH - JORAN WINS NO MONEY

JORAN LOSES NOT ONLY HIS SPOT IN THE TEXAS HOLD EM TOURNAMENT, BUT ALSO HIS FATHER'S POSITION

Joran Statement
June 9, 2005

On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the "Excelsior Casino" at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play "Texas Hold'm poker". (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. I went to play "Texas Hold'm Poker" with my father. It is a poker game in which you get 7 cards and you have to make a card combination with your best (5) cards. You get 500 U.S. $ of fake money and with this money you play. I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too.

MAY 30TH JORAN WINS MONEY

ANDRE DOS SANTOS POLICE STATEMENT

Andre Statement
June 20, 2005

RADISSON HOTEL: Where Joran “won” on May 30th

I remained watching them gamble for a very long time. At some time I saw that "Deepak" walk into the casino and came up to us. At some time, I no longer remember the exact time, Guido, Joran and Deepak left the casino and I stayed behind. Approximately (1) one hour later, Guido returned because he had silver-plate US $100 =, chip. I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400 = and cashed in the chips

PAULUS CONTRADICTS JORAN'S OWN STORY ABOUT GAMBLING ON MAY 29TH, BY CLAIMING JORAN HAD WON MONEY

Paulus Statement
June 18, 2005

You are asking me whether I asked Joran for Guido's phone-number. I did indeed do that to verify with Guido if Joran had truly won third place at the Holiday Inn Tournament. Joran had told me he had won third place, he said he had won 150$ and had exchanged these into Aruban Florin. I had my doubts because he hadn't told me he had won the money immediately after winning it. I spoke with Guido at the “Raquet Club” and he told me Joran did indeed win third or fourth place.

THREE DAYS AFTER ANDRE GIVES HIS STATEMENT, PAULUS PASSES OFF ACTIVITIES FROM MAY 30TH AS FACTUAL FOR MAY 29TH AS AN EXCUSE FOR BEING AT THE BANK ON MAY 30TH

Paulus Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question if I tell you all the things I did on that Monday the 30th of May 2005, I can state the following. I went to work. The exact time I cannot remember but I think it was approximately 08.00 hours. I can also remember that around 10.00 hours I went to the C.M.B. bank. There were long cues at the bank so I left without having made any transaction and went back to work.

I left my workplace at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30. I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.

To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank. At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately 500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he had taken over my place in the tournament.

These inaccuracies make us question the real reason Paulus was at the CMB Bank on Monday May 30th at 3:30 pm, for he certainly was not depositing any gambling winnings of Joran's.

*What, then, was the real transaction that occurred at that bank at 3:30 pm?
 
*Was a withdrawal made by Paulus?

*If it was an irrelevant transaction, why hide it from investigators?

Unfortunately Ruth Dijkhoff can't tell us what transaction she helped Paulus van der Sloot with at the bank that day, as she was dead two weeks later.

*Were any bank records subpoenaed by the Aruban prosecutor's office?


Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

[Magnolia]

Posted on the front page of SM:

littlemonkey wrote:


Joran v d Sllot says it was a joke, meant to impress een older person whom he admired. His story ie now that it was very stupid, but he wanted very much to impress. He partucipated 10 minutes ago, telephonically in a Dutch news program (the same where the winw incident took place). He was at his grandmother’s place in the Netherlands.

YEAH RIGHT. AND HOW IS THAT MEANT TO BE FUNNY AND WHO WOULD BE IMPRESSED BY THAT?

LYING JERK!

And the photoshopped picture of the lying jerk with Natalee was just a joke too.

[Bearlyhere]

Posted on the front page of SM:

littlemonkey wrote:


Joran v d Sllot says it was a joke, meant to impress een older person whom he admired. His story ie now that it was very stupid, but he wanted very much to impress. He partucipated 10 minutes ago, telephonically in a Dutch news program (the same where the winw incident took place). He was at his grandmother’s place in the Netherlands.

I knew it was coming.  But I don't buy it. 

This is what you say to impress older people?  What do you say to impress women? 

CYA time, Anita time to give up your big panties again.

[Dayhiker]

Typical isn't.  Aruba makes sure Ma and Pa know what is happeninig ahead of time to as to bring their little Sporter back in line with a cover story.  They have him this time, all they have to do is JUST DO IT for gawds sake.

Right! Just pull the damn trigger for a change. What do these lame bastards need to get them off their butts?

[Dayhiker]

YEAH RIGHT. AND HOW IS THAT MEANT TO BE FUNNY AND WHO WOULD BE IMPRESSED BY THAT?

LYING JERK!

And the photoshopped picture of the lying jerk with Natalee was just a joke too.

Yelp, this has all been a joke to Joran. Ted Bundy would be proud of him.

[SunnyinTX]

didnt think we were gonna make it out of there

blah...I won't bring your post over but you cracked me up and I completely agree with you!!

[BlueKYGirl]

Has anyone pointed out how stupid Joran is?

He has gotten away with this crime how many times? And then he can't help bragging about it (to someone who happens to have a hidden camera).

How many times can he mess up and have the legal system of his country come through for him?

[klaasend]

Posted on the front page of SM:

Antoine P wrote:

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‘Confession’ was a lie
Released: February 1, 2008 23:18
Last Modified: February 1, 2008 23:41

HILVERSUM - Joran van der Sloot acknowledges that he told a friend that he had the body of Natalee Holloway disappeared, but that was a lie. He said Friday evening in the TV show Pauw & Witteman.

He said Friday evening in the TV show Pauw & Witteman. “I told him what he wanted to hear.” It is so stupid, so stupid, “says Van der Sloot.” What I have been told is not true, they can sort it out easily. ”

How he could prove his innocence, said Van der Sloot, he doesn’t know. The question why he has lied again (previous statements by Van der Sloot proved wrong), he had to leave unanswered.

“That I ask myself also, yes,” he told Pauw and Witteman. “You have no reason to believe me.”

According to Van der Sloot he met the “older man” to who he has done his confessions about six months ago.

“I found him a very fascinating person, I was very interested in him,” says an audible nervous Van der Sloot.

“He also did a lot of things that I really did not know, that I never would do.” What that things would have wanted he did not say.

“I just told him what he wanted to hear,” says Van der Sloot. That story boils down that he was on the beach with Natalee Holloway had sex that she became unwell and then deceased.

Then he would have called a friend, who (with a boat)came to the spot. The body of Holloway has taken away and dumped into the sea have.

“I am really been tricked” said Van der Sloot. He explained that he spoke to the man who had been setting him up, shortly before the show.

He wanted nothing more to say. Van der Sloot said he’s not angry at him.

Van der Sloot said he regret that his invented confession led to Peter R. De Vries letting the mother of Natalee travel to the Netherlands.

De Vries said he is not too bad. “he’s just doing his work. I think it will make good TV.” Van der Sloot added that Sunday evening he would look into the broadcast.

Van der Sloot said that his father has spoken with justice. This call was about the safety of his son.
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(sorry for the errors, but I did my best to get it here asap. Source : Nu.nl )

[flyer33716]

ok, not that anyone cares but here is my take. Joran made a mistake and spilled some of the beans. Neverr really implicating him in the actual crime just an accident. He is caught now in this mess. Now he denies it, it was joke. Well what reasonable person implicates them selves in a crime to impress someone???????/ Simple BS. However, The powers to be in Aruba may just have had enough of this drama. Do they want this problem to go away, I damn sure think so. An example is going to be made. Does daddy have the balls to use blackmail when the sporter turns up floating in the canal? I honestly doubt it. The sloots maybe will be compensated for the loss but enough is enough. A loose cannon floating around with the ammunition that it has is a VERY big liability. Time to disable the weapon. The sloots have no control of this cannon and it must be taken out. Just my theory

[klaasend]

Posted on Greta's blog:

UPDATE - NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION
by Greta Van Susteren
Have you seen this news in the Natalee Holloway case???? This is a story from the Associated Press:



Aruban Officials Reopen Holloway Case After Seeing Secret Tapes From Dutch Journalist Friday , February 01, 2008

Aruban prosecutors said Friday that they are reopening their investigation into the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway after seeing secretly taped material from a Dutch journalist. “The recordings made available to the Public Prosecutor have given the Public Prosecutor a reason to reopen the investigation,” the public prosecutor’s office said in a statement. Prosecutors made no reference to the possibility of an arrest, and said they wouldn’t comment further so as not to jeopardize the investigation. Dutch reporter Peter R. de Vries has promised to broadcast on Sunday a secretly taped “confession” by one of the suspects in Holloway’s May 2005 disappearance. He has not made clear what the “confession” consists of. Dutch newspapers published a partial transcript of his talks with Aruba prosecutor Hans Mos, and Mos’ office said Friday that “what appeared on the Internet seems to be a reproduction of a part of the conversation.” In the transcript, De Vries refers to a “confession” he obtained from suspect Joran van der Sloot, but doesn’t say what he allegedly admitted to. “This is very impressive,” Mos is quoted as responding in the transcript, though it was not clear what specifically he was referring to. “We have thought to ourselves that this was a very probable chain of events but until now we lacked sufficient evidence.” In another part of the transcript, the prosecutor says: “Clearly, it’s the first time that he’s confessed to somebody. This is his coming out.” Holloway, 18, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, was last seen in public leaving a bar with Van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers — Deepak and Satish Kalpoe — hours before she was due to board a flight home from a school trip to Aruba. The three were re-arrested in November, but released within weeks for lack of evidence. Prosecutors then dismissed their case against them, saying they lacked evidence even to prove a crime had been committed. Authorities have said the case could be reopened if new evidence surfaces. Van der Sloot, who lived in Aruba at the time of Holloway’s disappearance, has denied any role in her disappearance, as have the Kalpoe brothers. On Thursday, Aruban prosecutors had said they were investigating new information provided by De Vries. Without providing details, the prosecutors said the new material might help them determine how Holloway died and what happened to her body. De Vries told Dutch television that he used a hidden camera in Aruba and the Netherlands to obtain images “that have proved to be very important” and that he would reveal what happened to Holloway on Sunday. Two weeks ago, during a televised interview with De Vries, Van der Sloot threw wine in the journalist’s face after he challenged his credibility

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

[Dayhiker]

“That I ask myself also, yes,” he told Pauw and Witteman. “You have no reason to believe me.”

Where have we heard this before? The Chris Cuomo interview? Didn't he say, "I would not believe myself."?

[Observer]

Bah..Joran got caught red handed this time..Now Rudy Croes and his Evil group are in damage control trying to figure out how to cover this up again.MO

Either way De Vries releases the goods in less than 2 days for the world to see. WTH is Aruba's excuse this time?

[Dayhiker]

Bah..Joran got caught red handed this time..Now Rudy Croes and his Evil group are in damage control trying to figure out how to cover this up again.MO

Either way De Vries releases the goods in less than 2 days for the world to see. WTH is Aruba's excuse this time?

This time the "no evidence" bullshit ain't gonna wash. Let's see them spin this, *******. Even they must be sick of Joran wrecking their island by now.

[Lala'sMom]

Posted on the front page of SM:

Antoine P wrote:

———————-

‘Confession’ was a lie
Released: February 1, 2008 23:18
Last Modified: February 1, 2008 23:41

HILVERSUM - Joran van der Sloot acknowledges that he told a friend that he had the body of Natalee Holloway disappeared, but that was a lie. He said Friday evening in the TV show Pauw & Witteman.

He said Friday evening in the TV show Pauw & Witteman. “I told him what he wanted to hear.” It is so stupid, so stupid, “says Van der Sloot.” What I have been told is not true, they can sort it out easily. ”

How he could prove his innocence, said Van der Sloot, he doesn’t know. The question why he has lied again (previous statements by Van der Sloot proved wrong), he had to leave unanswered.

“That I ask myself also, yes,” he told Pauw and Witteman. “You have no reason to believe me.”

According to Van der Sloot he met the “older man” to who he has done his confessions about six months ago.

“I found him a very fascinating person, I was very interested in him,” says an audible nervous Van der Sloot.

“He also did a lot of things that I really did not know, that I never would do.” What that things would have wanted he did not say.

“I just told him what he wanted to hear,” says Van der Sloot. That story boils down that he was on the beach with Natalee Holloway had sex that she became unwell and then deceased.

Then he would have called a friend, who (with a boat)came to the spot. The body of Holloway has taken away and dumped into the sea have.

“I am really been tricked” said Van der Sloot. He explained that he spoke to the man who had been setting him up, shortly before the show.

He wanted nothing more to say. Van der Sloot said he’s not angry at him.

Van der Sloot said he regret that his invented confession led to Peter R. De Vries letting the mother of Natalee travel to the Netherlands.

De Vries said he is not too bad. “he’s just doing his work. I think it will make good TV.” Van der Sloot added that Sunday evening he would look into the broadcast.

Van der Sloot said that his father has spoken with justice. This call was about the safety of his son.
———————-

(sorry for the errors, but I did my best to get it here asap. Source : Nu.nl )

Yes, Paulus.  I suspect people are getting tired of this crap even in Holland.

[Shell]

Bah..Joran got caught red handed this time..Now Rudy Croes and his Evil group are in damage control trying to figure out how to cover this up again.MO

Either way De Vries releases the goods in less than 2 days for the world to see. WTH is Aruba's excuse this time?

This might have been posted but I had to skip ahead to catch up with the threads. Where and when is De Vries show going to be broadcast? Thanks

[Nut44x4]

Has anyone pointed out how stupid Joran is?

He has gotten away with this crime how many times? And then he can't help bragging about it (to someone who happens to have a hidden camera).

How many times can he mess up and have the legal system of his country come through for him?

Apparently as many times as he wants.

[Keepthefaith]

Bah..Joran got caught red handed this time..Now Rudy Croes and his Evil group are in damage control trying to figure out how to cover this up again.MO

Either way De Vries releases the goods in less than 2 days for the world to see. WTH is Aruba's excuse this time?

It's frustarting watching someone admit to a crime knowing the Aruban Govt. isn't going to do anything.Still would like to know who's got what on who????Why is a country allowing it's slow demise happen at the hands of Joran.What does this or any other suspect in this crime have on the powers that be????Anyone know???It's gotta be BIG....

[Bearlyhere]

Joran wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the ass.

I wonder how the people on Aruba feel about him now.  His joke/lie cost the island plenty of money, all night meetings, etc.  If he would have to pay for the expenses his little joke/lie costed, he may stop telling lies/jokes.

I will wait to see if it is really a joke or the joke is on him.