Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 - 2/02/08

[mishy]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

The case against Joran is now open again and legal wire tapping is par for the course. Open season again on conversations between Joran and his parents, lawyers, journalists and friends.

i guess this announcement and warning is for those she might have forgotten to call or email.  maybe she'll have an announcement in the paper tomorrow and billboards up by sunday.
dennisintn

 

[Kat_Gram]

Peter DeVries program is two hours long. I am assuming he will tell the story from beginning to end. And that more than Joran better be running away and hiding.
All the friends of Paulus's. Hope they name names. Like Ben Vocking. Peter was quite taken aback that this guy, a high ranking justice official opens the door when the ALE present themselves to execute a search warrant.
And that former AG of Aruba, the one that said, there is no evidence that a crime was committed or who commited it ? Her son got justice and is serving time in NL for cocaine trafficking. He was nailed in the NL where I guess the ALE couldn't do him the favors. And it wasn't a small amount of drugs either.
Sure, a confession is nice, icing on the cake, but why was there no evidence for charges yet ?   

[jackb]

I sense that some believe Natalee's death was an accident. This was not an accident.  She was drugged so she would not resist the brutality he inflicted.  I think many will be surprised and shocked when they hear from his mouth what he did.  It was no accident.

No, it was not an accident.

Those human dregs say innocent people will be hurt.  The only innocent person there was NH.  They abused her and Joran's shoes show evidence.  Remember "...if they find the girl you will get 15 years."  They are trying to make light of this "accident."  If I had to evaluate this, I would have to say the girl did not willingly take any drugs and for them to try and smear the name of a productive human being in order to lessen the parts of their deeds is beyond bad.  It is depraved to the nth level.      jack b

[KarmaRoundUp]

I know my stance is unpopular about this...but think about it.  JORAN CONFESSED.  That is all that is going to happen.  Why have a trial?  He told us she died.  He carried her out past the sandbar and dumped her.  Sure it was bad judgment, but since when has anything the Dutch have done make sense?  JORAN CONFESSED that he disposed of Natalee's body.  That is a very light crime in Aruba...if a crime at all given the past history of that place. His confession fixes everything.  They have no need to question the Kalpoes about anything that happened that night...they were just lying for Joran..."that lie was for you".  No need to ask why Paulus was in the casino video...it was not him.  No need to find out why Paulus was out at 4 AM in the morning...other than to pick up Joran from the beach. No need to ask about all the corruption and cover up...there was no cover up...we just couldn't make any of this evidence jive with all these stories....now we know why.  Gosh! By doggies!  It was Joran with aid of an unknown guy fishing that has since been deported back to some unknown country of which we have no clue where that got rid of Natalee.  This is way too easy.  I hope I am wrong on this...I really want to be wrong...but my gut says I am not

I totally agree,I feel and think this will play out exactly as you stated.Aruba will look at this being the easiest way out of this mess but what happens when it happens again?I'm sure if it goes this way,the van der sloots will have to agree to joran never visiting aruba again.However......there is always Holland for joran to pull his murdering deeds.I too hope it doesn't go this way but I have absolutely no faith in anyone on aruba with the exception of Jossy.
Is there a transcript of Dana's show(last night)with Jossy?

[JodyO]

I'm saying that I don't think the coverup was for Joran or Paulus. The coverup was for this other kid, because of who he is. He's the one with real connecitons.

You could be correct, but I tend to think that PvdS has the goods on a lot of the usual dirty dealing by the gov't as he was in a position to see all the deals made outside the law, and that he called in all the dirty dealers to help him and his sociopath son out of the fix they were in, putting pressure on them with the knowledge he had witnessed for many years. If true, he was certainly in a position to bring down the gov't in the election the fall after NH vanished.

[sharon]

Joran needs to be arrested before the video is shown so he doesn't have time to think up his response to his confession.

or commit suicide !!!!!!!!!!!

with his hand in his pocket

[Kat_Gram]

'mornin everyone!

Joran sounded worried and scared on that P&W improptu interview. He kept muttering different things about the person with the boat and how 'innocent' people were going to be hurt. Paulus said the same thing once.

hmmmm

I think Joran is in big trouble - more than just the obvious.

I think the key to the coverup is the person with the boat - the person Joran revealed after all this time - the big secret. All the lies and changed stories were to cover for the person with the boat. The person who is revealed tomorrow on the show should point to the Aruban underbelly (at least his father should point to it).

Mos has seen the tapes. Koen is still large and at large.
What are they doing in Aruba ? Waitng for a TV program to be broadcast to find out how bad it is , so they can do the damage control .... What kind of justice is that ? Well, we have to see the TV show, then we'll know how high the pile of sh&t is and see if we have enought shovels at the ready to dig ourselves out of this one ?
If Aruba was listed on the NYSE what do you think the share value would be ?
 

[robots]

Joran is on the Loose - Look OUT !!!   WARNING  -- A KILLER IS ON THE LOOSE
 

[Blue Moon]

So granny says the Sporter has gone into hiding, says he's afraid to be arrested.  He thinks he is such a rock star-where could he be hiding?  Maybe he had himself committed for treatment, isn't that what all stars do to escape punishment?  Go find him in a treatment center.  He cannot run away this time.  He needs to BE A MAN and face the music.

[private eye]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

The case against Joran is now open again and legal wire tapping is par for the course. Open season again on conversations between Joran and his parents, lawyers, journalists and friends.

i guess this announcement and warning is for those she might have forgotten to call or email.  maybe she'll have an announcement in the paper tomorrow and billboards up by sunday.
dennisintn

 

In the kingdom of the Monkeys, it has been open season on Joran every since he committed the crime!!!!!!!!!!

[Frank]

Every time i read someone saying paulus has 'the goods' on officials i laugh. Paulus has nothing everyone else in the Aruba government doesn't have. He's no player.

It's a small club in Aruba and he, like his son, lied to those around him, quickly, and by doing so made them culpable before they knew it. That's it.

Nobody is going to care if he is yelling and screaming about everyone else when they haul him off. The world doesn't know the names Oduber, etc.

Paulus believes he did what he did on behalf of Aruba. They are linked. It's a sick corporate CYA. Tacopina is now the spokesperson for Aruba.

Oduber's silence is so fascinating.

[robots]

the only person joran is hiding from is himself

it finally caught up with him


he gets out of a lie by telling more lies

NEWSFLASH to joran

NOBODY BELEIVES YOU

[Tamikosmom]

WAS PETER DEVRIES SET UP/DECEIVED BY THE "POWERS THAT BE" IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION?

I suspect a collaborated setup ... a colaborate setup where ultimately nobody will be held accountable.  The secret "confessin" recording will be ruled inadmissable under Dutch law.  A confession ... that was not obtained under oath ... will be ruled inadmissable.

However ... the family will back off now that they have been convinced that their precious Natalee is no longer alive and ... her remains are not retrieiveable.  The family will back off now that they have received a measure of closure ... a measure of peace.

In other words ... Aruba wins!

Janet

[wreck]

WAS PETER DEVRIES SET UP/DECEIVED BY THE "POWERS THAT BE" IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION?

I suspect a collaborated setup ... a colaborate setup where ultimately nobody will be held accountable.  The secret "confessin" recording will be ruled inadmissable under Dutch law.  A confession ... that was not obtained under oath ... will be ruled inadmissable.

However ... the family will back off now that they have been convinced that their precious Natalee is no longer alive and ... her remains are not retrieiveable.  The family will back off now that they have received a measure of closure ... a measure of peace.

In other words ... Aruba wins!

Janet

See my "Worry Wart" message above. Aruba is way past "winning".

[private eye]

So granny says the Sporter has gone into hiding, says he's afraid to be arrested.  He thinks he is such a rock star-where could he be hiding?  Maybe he had himself committed for treatment, isn't that what all stars do to escape punishment?  Go find him in a treatment center.  He cannot run away this time.  He needs to BE A MAN and face the music.

Where he thinks no one will find him, in his grannies panties::)))))

[memphis]

I'm saying that I don't think the coverup was for Joran or Paulus. The coverup was for this other kid, because of who he is. He's the one with real connecitons.

You could be correct, but I tend to think that PvdS has the goods on a lot of the usual dirty dealing by the gov't as he was in a position to see all the deals made outside the law, and that he called in all the dirty dealers to help him and his sociopath son out of the fix they were in, putting pressure on them with the knowledge he had witnessed for many years. If true, he was certainly in a position to bring down the gov't in the election the fall after NH vanished.

Good point. You're probably right. Plus, I forgot about Paulus in the casino video. Where do I stick that messy little detail?
I'm just always trying to fit the puzzle pieces together in the simplest, most straightforward manner, but it doesn't seem possible.

However, there is something key about this person with the boat. Why would Joran be worried about someone other than himself? It seems they've all worked hard to keep whoever it is hidden.

The Kalpoes went home. Who took their place?

[robots]

 

joran angry

[Kat_Gram]

There are no winners in this one.
I have put my belief in DeVries and I don't think that he is the sort of man that would get into bed with Aruba. That isn't what drives the man. He has spent his life and career solving these types of crimes and he does not care whose toes he steps on to do so. Peter is a Monkey !   
 

[cubbeegirl]

I'm reading posts from earlier today. It strikes me that the relationship Joran had with the older man he spoke to (lied to) was rather "Brokeback Mountain" in nature. To me he sounds awestruck and in his own word fascinated with the guy. That's kind of weird. Peter deVries must understand Joran's nature pretty well, to send in someone like that. He must know that a more obvious choice, such as an attractive young girl, would not have been so compelling to Joran.

I had the same thought, Port Valerie! I agree!

Those were my thoughts about this also.... I don't even want to go there on the things he says this person has done that he will not get into......

[San]

I may have missed this so sorry for asking again.  I would like to know where Dave Holloway is and what is his opinion of this tape.  Why was it that Beth is the only one in the Netherlands to view this so called explosive tape.  Wouldn't they invite the father also.