Natalee Case Discussion #720 2/3 -

[klaasend]

More from RU:

Daury went away with natalee on his boat and visited Joran later that night at home.

Joran convinced Deepak and Satish to tell the HI-lie.

He never told D&S something about what happened. He calls those two stupid.

[jill]

More from RU:

Joran lied in his book about the phone his father gave him in jail.

january 16th: Patrick asks Joran to tell the whole story once again.

Joran talks about a friend of Natalee who wanted to f*** him that night. He says he didnt go after Natalee, but after a friend. He drinks something with the girls at the bar. Natalee approached him at the bar.

Natalee wanted to see sharks. He wants to f*** her but she didnt want to go back to the hotel.they go the beach Natalee wanted to f*** him also and her hand in jorans pants. Natalee starting shaking on the beach

Natalee was shaking, joran doesnt know for how long.

Joran called Daury at the payphone by the marriot. He left natalee at the beach. he put her at the mangrove-things. while making the phonecall....

Joran shakes Natalee...around 2 oclock, 2.30.... Daury works at the funboats...the bananaboats

Joran to Daury: I cant go to the police, so Daury says: Ill help you but you must go to school tomorrow, you must do normal things

Joran went to the casino next day to be caught on camera.

Joran put his shoes in a put...he threw them away and walked home. (why get rid of the shoes?)

no, somethings wrong there.  if as he says, no reason to throw away his shoes.

there had to be evidence on his shoes.

[Tylergal]

More from RU:

Joran lied in his book about the phone his father gave him in jail.

january 16th: Patrick asks Joran to tell the whole story once again.

Joran talks about a friend of Natalee who wanted to f*** him that night. He says he didnt go after Natalee, but after a friend. He drinks something with the girls at the bar. Natalee approached him at the bar.

Natalee wanted to see sharks. He wants to f*** her but she didnt want to go back to the hotel.they go the beach Natalee wanted to f*** him also and her hand in jorans pants. Natalee starting shaking on the beach

Natalee was shaking, joran doesnt know for how long.

He shook her.  She was terrified.  She had probably run away just like the psychic said and he caught her.  Yes, she was shaking.  Probably saw his tacky peni.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Is it me.. or is anyone else wondering if the Kalpoes may not be as guilty of anything like we all thought? 

yeah, but I will never forget the Xanga comments by one of them, I think Deepak.

Giving the finger to Natalee's family.

 Hi Jill.. I saw that as well.. I think Kalpoes were involved SOMEWHAT.. but after hearing all this... not to the extent I once thought.  IMO.   

[JA]

Notice, not once does he mention he was scared or that he didn't know what to do.  Not once does he mention any remorse or sadness for Natalee, another human being who died right before his eyes.  Not once does he regret that he didn't come forward telling that she "accidently" dies, or that he didn't seek out medical care for her.  Not once does he mention that she took drugs with him.

[Observer]

Natalee Holloway Update 26; Joran goes into more detail at van der Eem's request....Accomplice revealed, Daury (last name withheld)

Joran calls Natalee a 'Whore'...'Her friend told me she had shotgun on me. She was fu**ng drunk. I wanted to take her to her Hotel. But she wanted to see sharks, man, I shit you not.."
"So those guys(the kalpoes) dropped you off?"
"So we were on the beach, I'm kissing her, fingering her, she's in my pants (sic). then she starts shaking, foam on her mouth."
"Like an epileptic attack?"
"I don't know..maybe."
"And then you called...what's his name?"
"Daury Yeah...He showed up after I called him."
"Did you try to..?"
"Yeah, I tried everything.."
"He showed up and..."
"Everything was f***.."
"He told me he could help."
"I knew he had a boat nearby, he works for one of those banana guys.."
"So we carried her to his boat...and I went home...I dumped the shoes. he told me to just go to school the next day.."
" And you called him later."
"Yeah, we were both nervous, he said he just tipped her over the side."
"And teh Kalpoes?"
"Yeah, I f**** them a bit.... I got them to say they dropped us off. But I never told them shit..."
"So you were fingering her... and?"
"Yeah, I wanted her to give me a blowjob. And then she just died..man."

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/

[Lala'sMom]

From the SM front page:

He just said what he did with his shoes, he ditched them in an drain

What was wrong with his shoes?  Why throw away a perfectly good pair of shoes when the girl only died on the beach? 

[klaasend]

More from RU:

Daury went away with natalee on his boat and visited Joran later that night at home.

Joran convinced Deepak and Satish to tell the HI-lie.

He never told D&S something about what happened. He calls those two stupid.

Joran send his girlfriend a textmessage when he left the beach.

He doesnt feel bad about it.

Joran says all this on camera...secret footage.

[crazybabyborg]

zondag 3 februari 2008
J: "First time in jail, I said dad, I need a phone. His dad got him the phone to Joran. My dad is so stupid, he got me a prepaid phone, with hardly any credit on it".

Joran also told this in his book, but then he didnt mention his dad brought it in.

P: "we spent a few days with joran, but we need some more info, we ask him to make joran teel it once more, just to be clear".

J:"These bitches asked me to come to C&C and they been drinking all day, some used cocaine. I didnt wanna go, I had school next day, but I knew she wanted to f*** (talks about Natalees girl), so I went anyway. I didnt even 'go' for Natalee. But her friend said: no Natalee got shotgun on you, so go talk to her... I went there, she came down from the bar. The ho jumped on teh bar and said: do a jellyshot... I then gave her a bacardi 151 (75% alcohol). She asked for a chaser, I see shes so drunk, but I thought: Im gonna f*** her. She said: I wanne see some sharks. Im telling you Pat, she wanted to see sharks. So I said to S&D, drop us on the beach, Ill f*** her, and then Ill take her to the hotel. We walk to the beach... She wasnt that good looking but the WANTED man, she wanted.... Then she started shaking like crazy... The beach was empty, I walked to her, no reaction, she just kept shaking, NO foam around her mouth... I started thinking, no one know I even left the house. But I knew this guy I "had" something on, so I phoned him. This DAURY, even if he wouldnt have helped me, he wouldnt have said anything... I called him from a payphone outside the Mariott. I picked Nat up and put her near the mangrovetreas at the mariott. The guy came and saidwhat happened, she looks sweet"....
Joran says: this cant be happening, this was around 02:30. This guy has his own boat, he worked for banana boat company... But he has his own boat as well. The guy said, this will be a problem, either way, youll be blamed. He sais, OK, help me, so we picked her up and put her on the boat. There was noone there, dark. Even IF someone wouldve seen us, they wouldve thought were playing... The guy told me I should go to school etc. I went to the casino the night after.... The shoe story is bullshit, I just threw them away, in a sewer. After I left the guy sailed away. he told me later he just dumped her. He came by the house that night, he said: she'll be missing, but they wont find her. I said: we should get our stories straight....
We did some thing before, so I know I could call him.
I knew, we should have our stories straight. D&S were just some dummies. It was great to make them say as well that we brought her to the hotel.. Now, looking back, I never couldve imagined this would get so much media coverage... But I can use that as an advantage"....
I only spent 2 hours with her. I fingerfucked her, she jerked me off, I just wanted to ask her for a blowjob went she started shaking... I didnt lose a nights sleep, I have to look good"
"I still talk to Joran to DAURY"....

[Nut44x4]

From the SM front page:

He just said what he did with his shoes, he ditched them in an drain

they took her to the boat at the pier near the marriot and put her in the boat.

the guy says you need to go to school tomorrow to give you an air of doing normal things.

Joran even says that he went to the casino next day to be on camera.

says he walked home, threw his shoes into some well along the way home.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Why is Joran still walking around free?  I don't understand this...If anything he needs to produce this Daury guy to corroborate his story...so they can let him go on something minor like disposing of a corpse or something.  If I were Daury...I would be scared, very scared right now.

Daury probably has diarehhea right now

[Dana]

Posted by Daniel at RU:

Well, De Vries was right.. I *am* shocked.

Damn!

Dilbart is also shocked.  Wonder if Medleyrelay and Moonshadows are shocked?  I'm not shocked.

HOW PALE IS TACOPINA RIGHT NOW READING AND WATCHING THIS!!!

Tomorrow we will see his resigning from the case.

Peter R. De Vries, you are now added to my list of heros.

I have always questioned his role anyway, is he Jorans media lawyer, is he his aruba lawyer. He wont resign there will be a great deal of media attention for this. He knows Greta wont be hard on him.

To the contrary ...

Greta last time with Joe was a little hostile saying that if she saw evidence she would be inclined not to believe him.

I think those that have blindly followed Joe are regretting it as this De Vries tape plays

Also, media attention where you are 100% wrong is not good for pundit work

Greta wants to save face as much as she can, she proved her unworthyness by that vile post she made on her blog. She has no comprehension.

[Lala'sMom]

More from RU:

Daury went away with natalee on his boat and visited Joran later that night at home.

Joran convinced Deepak and Satish to tell the HI-lie.

He never told D&S something about what happened. He calls those two stupid.

Well, he's right about that.  What kind of idiot lets Joran keep them strung out like this for over 2 years if they are innocent?? 

[Port Valerie]

More from RU:

Joran lied in his book about the phone his father gave him in jail.

january 16th: Patrick asks Joran to tell the whole story once again.

Joran talks about a friend of Natalee who wanted to f*** him that night. He says he didnt go after Natalee, but after a friend. He drinks something with the girls at the bar. Natalee approached him at the bar.

Natalee wanted to see sharks. He wants to f*** her but she didnt want to go back to the hotel.they go the beach Natalee wanted to f*** him also and her hand in jorans pants. Natalee starting shaking on the beach

Natalee was shaking, joran doesnt know for how long.

One red flag for me, i realize anything is possible on that crap can island but if the prosecution has had this tape for a week why isnt Jorans ass sitting in a cell right now ?

Why isn't Daury's?

[JA]

Of course Paulus never wondered why this guy came to visit Joran later that night.  Of course when Paulus realized that Nat was missing and his son had been with her, he never thought to connect any dots.

[Frijole]

One red flag for me, i realize anything is possible on that crap can island but if the prosecution has had this tape for a week why isnt Jorans ass sitting in a cell right now ?

Dana, earlier the poster from Holland said that Mos was not given all of the info from DeVries.  Perhaps this is why.  Perhaps PDV wanted to make REAL sure the whole world saw this so that there would be no question as to move this case forward.?  Just a guess.

[klaasend]

More from RU:

Daury went away with natalee on his boat and visited Joran later that night at home.

Joran convinced Deepak and Satish to tell the HI-lie.

He never told D&S something about what happened. He calls those two stupid.

Joran send his girlfriend a textmessage when he left the beach.

He doesnt feel bad about it.

Joran says all this on camera...secret footage.

Joran sometimes talks about People (plural!) according to PRDV. One time he says the guy is older, the next time he only is 25. To not interfere with the criminal investigation, pRDV decided to not investigate this..

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[ciskebab]

Peter de Vries thinks the name Daury is just made up b JOran to cover someone else up Peter thought this so he diddn't ask around on Aruba who this person was he aslo thinks that there are more than 1 people besides 'Daury"who are involved, JOran said he dumped the shoes on his way back home in a sewer and he indeed went to the casino the next day to be on camera's.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Notice, not once does he mention he was scared or that he didn't know what to do.  Not once does he mention any remorse or sadness for Natalee, another human being who died right before his eyes.  Not once does he regret that he didn't come forward telling that she "accidently" dies, or that he didn't seek out medical care for her.  Not once does he mention that she took drugs with him.

 I agree with yah 100% JA...   Tiz more to the story then meets the eye IMO.  If someone lay dying in my arms.. my ass would be speed dialing 911.. doing CPR to help. Not calling a friend for a body disposal.    Im getting pissed reading all this wicked shit that asshole has said.  Ughhhhhhhhhh

[Noly]

But his father did call in a favor and got him a phone inside the jail. His father bought him a phone, calls his father a f***ing idiot for not putting any phone minutes on the phone he procured for him.

I was thinking the same thing. What an ungrateful little b*stard,

unbelievable!