Natalee Case Discussion #721 2/3- 2/4/08

[MsVada]

call me silly

but i dont want them to prosecute him anymore for this

nope. they had their chance


Beth knows what happened


let him walk around causing more destruction to his happy little island and let him blow up again.

i dont want the sporter doing 3-6 months for hiding a body 

thats just making a sham of the whole MURDER


let him always be looking over his shoulder for the REST of his life

otherwise
he will always say "he i did my time now leave me alone"

let him go on his way

i hate his guts

but dont make a mockery of Natalee's life by giving the KILLER 3-6 months
and 300 guilders in $$$$

killing tourism will be far better than anything else

Robots
I think what you say makes a whole lot of sense, let the little puke have to keep looking over his shoulder.....someday, somehow, someone will provide justice for Natalee.

[Peaches]

Joran on tape said he would have been screwed if they found her body. Patrick asked why and he never really gave a answer. This confirms what Deepak said..If they find the girl,they will see the shit. You will get 15 years,you can say byyye to that scholarship of yours.

If nothing else,he is hated man right now in Holland. His own words said he was trying to prosper off of a victim he killed,and lost no sleep over any of it. Those people aren't stupid and most are thinking just like us. Everyone will be outraged until he is arrested and convicted,it will be a long time before people forget about last nights show in Holland.

I think after this whole thing airs tonite on US television, he's a dead man walking.

Especially in the South.

[Kermit]

Hi Monkeys...I hope I do this right...I'm new...
I have been a lurker on here since the beginning and after the latest events I HAD to become a MONKEY...I wanted to be part of this FAMILY. You all are some INCREDIBLE people. 
Like everyone here my heart was heavy yesterday reading what that little piece of poop was saying....my heart hurts for Natalee, Beth and the family.

d

welcome

[Spock]

Joran did say his semen was inside Natalee. The only thing hypothetical was "if they find the body"

From the video:

'I didn't say shit. They have nothing on me anymore. Even if they find her body with my sperm in it, they can't do shit. they're f***ing idiots."

[Kermit]

call me silly

but i dont want them to prosecute him anymore for this

nope. they had their chance


Beth knows what happened


let him walk around causing more destruction to his happy little island and let him blow up again.

i dont want the sporter doing 3-6 months for hiding a body 

thats just making a sham of the whole MURDER


let him always be looking over his shoulder for the REST of his life

otherwise
he will always say "he i did my time now leave me alone"

let him go on his way

i hate his guts

but dont make a mockery of Natalee's life by giving the KILLER 3-6 months
and 300 guilders in $$$$

killing tourism will be far better than anything else

Robots
I think what you say makes a whole lot of sense, let the little puke have to keep looking over his shoulder.....someday, somehow, someone will provide justice for Natalee.

he said he did it TWENTY TIMES BEFORE

[Dawntreader]

Vomit on the shoes...not a big deal in fact it would work to Joran's advantage.  She was sick. She had a seizure...see this is where she vomited on my shoes.  I could do nothing to help her...it was too late.  I panicked and tossed her out to sea.  I am so sorry...I was just 17 and it was just too much for me to think about.  Even analyzing the vomit could easily be interpreted as being in his favor... there would be alcohol, drugs and such and even maybe some GHB.  ALE would need to prove that he ordered the GHB for her. He already bought her a drink at CnC and we all know those are dangerous drinks there.  It would very hard to prove Joran did it without being able to test all the girls that night for the presence of GHB in their drinks.  I told you this scenario is easily defended without corroboration and Joran knew that did not exist when he made that tape.  We are giving this other guy way too much credit here...Joran is cunning. 

You are absolutely right. As we look back, vomit on the shoes is no big deal. But, having left Natalee on the beach in that state would have been no big deal either. (Looking back, I mean) But, at the time of the act, in his panic, he wanted no connection, so maybe he disposed of them for that reason, even if only vomit. Of course, this is the less malicious theory of what happened, and what is painted by JVDS's own remarks. Obviously, his confessed scenario may leave out a more dark explanation of what happened. I don't feel qualified to discern which and to what extent the statements are true. Wish a professional could analyze his body language in the video. The thought print web link is very interesting.
Oh and one more idea on the shoes - maybe they just fell off in the water while he was wading  out.

[Lala'sMom]

Wow! Froggy. Thanks again and again. 

Using this description from Joran is there a drainage ditch nearby that he would need to go near to retrieve those shoes? Also, what happened to those shoes in the picture?  If no one has been to look for them,could they still be there buried under sand and muck?  Yes, he discarded those shoes and he knows they are the one thing that could be found should someone choose to look or they are in the fish cage with Natalee or at the  location he really dumped her body.

Joran van der Sloot statement June 14, 2005
At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes

[Tamikosmom]

GMA Interview with Beth Holloway

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237586&affil=wncf
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Dave Holloway talks about Joran's Admissions

http://www.netwerk.tv/weblog/index.php?itemid=74

Will the emotional roller coaster ride from H--- that the parents of Natalee Holloway have been forced to ride for almost three years ... compliments of Aruba ... ever ends?

 

Janet

[mishy]

Posted by Sunmoonstars at RU:

Rechercheurs Monday of the KLPD have searched two addresses in Arnhem in the investigation into the disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway. The Aruban public prosecutor had this commissioned.

De Telegraaf says: Joran's house and his grandma's house are being searched. (in Arnhem)

Poor granny...she didn't sign on for this. This goes beyond typical highschool kid's hijinks...

[Spock]

Joran did say his semen was inside Natalee. The only thing hypothetical was "if they find the body"

From the video:

'I didn't say shit. They have nothing on me anymore. Even if they find her body with my sperm in it, they can't do shit. they're f***ing idiots."

This is confirmed by what Deepak said:

"If they find the girl, they will find the shit...you will get 15 years"

[Bearlyhere]

Trying to keep up while at work so sorry if this has already been posted.
http://www.equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
Monday, 4 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 35: Joran's house searched. Peter R. De Vries calls for Joran 'to come clean' Arubans guarded at press conference.

Joran van der Sloot's last known address, his house in Arnhem, has been searched at the request of the Aruban Justice department. Police have also searched his Grandmother's house where he was reportedly staying over the weekend. The apartment complex in Drachten where he is reported to be right now is being secured by a private security firm and the police. This just in... the apartment complex is not van der Sloot's location, the dutch news has just released an interview with the inhabitant of the apartment, it's all a misunderstanding due to the fact that his name is Johan.

Peter R. De Vries recently said in an interview; "Even if this all a lie....I don't think so. There is no one in the world you are going to impress with a story like that. It's going to be hard after lying for so long, to his parents, to everyone, but he has to come clean, now more than ever."

The press conference by the Aruban prosecutors was remarkably less optimistic than the interview with Hans Mos. "They are being cautious.." Lex Runderkamp, legal expert told the NOS journaal. "They can't convict him yet, and before they can arrest him they need more."

Posted by Olivier de Vries at

Of course not, this is a school day.  After all, the Sporter never misses school.

[Dawntreader]

Vomit on the shoes...not a big deal in fact it would work to Joran's advantage.  She was sick. She had a seizure...see this is where she vomited on my shoes.  I could do nothing to help her...it was too late.  I panicked and tossed her out to sea.  I am so sorry...I was just 17 and it was just too much for me to think about.  Even analyzing the vomit could easily be interpreted as being in his favor... there would be alcohol, drugs and such and even maybe some GHB.  ALE would need to prove that he ordered the GHB for her. He already bought her a drink at CnC and we all know those are dangerous drinks there.  It would very hard to prove Joran did it without being able to test all the girls that night for the presence of GHB in their drinks.  I told you this scenario is easily defended without corroboration and Joran knew that did not exist when he made that tape.  We are giving this other guy way too much credit here...Joran is cunning. 

You are absolutely right. As we look back, vomit on the shoes is no big deal. But, having left Natalee on the beach in that state would have been no big deal either. (Looking back, I mean) But, at the time of the act, in his panic, he wanted no connection, so maybe he disposed of them for that reason, even if only vomit. Of course, this is the less malicious theory of what happened, and what is painted by JVDS's own remarks. Obviously, his confessed scenario may leave out a more dark explanation of what happened. I don't feel qualified to discern which and to what extent the statements are true. Wish a professional could analyze his body language in the video. The thought print web link is very interesting.
Oh and one more idea on the shoes - maybe they just fell off in the water while he was wading  out.

You are absolutely right. As we look back, vomit on the shoes is no big deal. But, having left Natalee on the beach in that state would have been no big deal either. (Looking back, I mean) But, at the time of the act, in his panic, he wanted no connection, so maybe he disposed of them for that reason, even if only vomit. Of course, this is the less malicious theory of what happened, and what is painted by JVDS's own remarks. Obviously, his confessed scenario may leave out a more dark explanation of what happened. I don't feel qualified to discern which and to what extent the statements are true. Wish a professional could analyze his body language in the video. The thought print web link is very interesting.
Oh and one more idea on the shoes - maybe they just fell off in the water while he was wading  out.

[Kermit]

Joran did say his semen was inside Natalee. The only thing hypothetical was "if they find the body"

From the video:

'I didn't say shit. They have nothing on me anymore. Even if they find her body with my sperm in it, they can't do shit. they're f***ing idiots."

from polis tape:
D to J: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your f ather


J to the brothers: If they find that girl, then they will see that shit

[robots]

MsVada   

who was the person that took the picture of the sneakers ?

thats what i want to know

[snoopy]

Good Morning everyone.  Welcome to the new monkeys, and great to see some of the old familiar faces these last few days.

I wonder what Juron called Paulus when they were in the casinos gambling?  I bet it wasn't father or papa.  I wonder if Juron called Paulus Daury?  hhhmmmm.

[cubbeegirl]

Joran did say his semen was inside Natalee. The only thing hypothetical was "if they find the body"

From the video:

'I didn't say shit. They have nothing on me anymore. Even if they find her body with my sperm in it, they can't do shit. they're f***ing idiots."

This is confirmed by what Deepak said:

"If they find the girl, they will find the shit...you will get 15 years"

Exactly.... that does not fit with Natalee just peacefully, spontaneously dying there on the beach....

[SunnyinTX]

When Mos referred to misinformation on the Oprah show,
did he mean that she referred to the case as closed?

of course I can't speak for Mos...but that is what I think he was referring to.  IMO they won't ever close the case....then they would have to give up all the case documents...that is never going to happen IMO

[robots]

Joran did say his semen was inside Natalee. The only thing hypothetical was "if they find the body"

From the video:

'I didn't say shit. They have nothing on me anymore. Even if they find her body with my sperm in it, they can't do shit. they're f***ing idiots."

This is confirmed by what Deepak said:

"If they find the girl, they will find the shit...you will get 15 years"

jorans admits to everything you can imagine and the prosection is out looking for a color video tape of the murder before they can go any further 

[cubbeegirl]

When Mos referred to misinformation on the Oprah show,
did he mean that she referred to the case as closed?

of course I can't speak for Mos...but that is what I think he was referring to.  IMO they won't ever close the case....then they would have to give up all the case documents...that is never going to happen IMO

I agree Sunny.... cause it's all there in black and white....

[Lala'sMom]

Dawntreader
Thanks for your response and welcome to the cage.  I only pause in your assertions at the fact that if those shoes fell off in the ocean, then they would have washed back to shore and there would be no discussion of them now. Those shoes are pivotal in this case.  He made an effort to mention them in his story.  He talked about them in his statements and maybe in his book. That I don't know for certain.  What I do know is Freddy was trying to get him another pair. Deepak felt the need to inquire about them and the shoes won't go away.  Natalee did not just die on him on the beach from a self-induced drug overdose...there is more...much more.