Natalee Case Discussion #721 2/3- 2/4/08

[Spock]

The Judge said he would not authorize Joran's arrest on serious charges without more evidence. So the Dutch raid Grandma's house and seize the computers. Why don't they bring in SC and SG/KG for questioning, the key is in the sea disposal.

[kgwallace88]

somebody is going to be dead very soon

who it is ??

i have no idea

but someone involved in this is going to end up dead very soon

yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...

Hey Monkeys just got back on and i'm trying to catch up but ran across this and I have to agree!  Maybe that's why they don't want to ship the sporter back to Aruba!  Don't think the good ole USA will have to worry if they send him back there!

[Port Valerie]

Great photo, *******. Looks like he's smiling. Unbelievable. This is a worldwide story now, and Greta gave it up to ABC. I'm glad -- after all her effort to say that the Kalpoes took Joran home and then returned to Natalee on the beach because boys like that couldn't resist the chance to rape a beautiful blond American girl. Unbelievable.

[Magnolia]

I think that Joran was careful to exonerate anyone who was actually
involved: his parents....the Kalpoes.  All are described as "idiots".
ALE are idiots, the judges are idiots.
They can all implicate him so they are dismissed from his confession.

[Peaches]

Was that marajuina Joran was smoking in the Range Rover?

Oh yes.

[pinkbanana]

Update from Equivocationnation:

An Aruban friend that van der Sloot described as 'Daury' helped him dispose of the body by dumping it in the ocean. During the TV show, a man named Daury, a former friend of van der Sloot's was found, but he can prove that he was in Holland at the time of Holloway's disappearance. Another friend of van der Sloot's, previously detained for questioning by the prosecution, Steve Gregory Croes, is now rumoured to be the one who helped van der Sloot.

Hi Spock,  Yesterday morning here that 6:30am phone call made to the VDS home was discussed, having been made by S Croes.

I also remember him calling the Sloots home at 6:30 but had originally read he was across the island and calling from Max Arands {sp} house which is close to Joran's school.  I have searched in vain for a link to this 6:30am call and can find nothing, even though I know I read it.

What have you read about a call like this, and do you think S Croes calling at that time and within hours of her being last seen backs up the thought he could have been the accomplice?

Could SC explain why he called the Sloots or why he had their number if in his statement on june 18, 05 he said,"that he has NEVER seen the suspect JAP van der sloot in his life."....

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[klaasend]

KLASS  Do we have a place where you put the Peter R. DeVries transcripts TY

Also do we have a transcripts thread here?

The transcripts were posted in this thread and the previous thread.  None of them totally together.

No, we don't have a transcription thread.

Probably the most complete transcription would be found here:

http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/

[Observer]

Yes they are clearly laughing..Just can't tell for sure if that is Joran in the back seat or the other side. We know earlier they wanted to kill the house owner and he claimed he didn't even know Joran.

[SunnyinTX]

Glenda Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:49 pm   
Re: Aruban Prosecutor Says Tapes Admissable In Court

sarge wrote:
Aruban Prosecutor Considers Hidden Camera Footage of Holloway Suspect Admissible in Court

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328130,00.html


First they have to get a judge to allow them to Arrest him. Then they have to be able to prove with facts and evidence that what he said is true.

Presser at 5 pm. Lets see what Daury has to say about this? 

[caesu]

Yes they are clearly laughing..Just can't tell for sure if that is Joran in the back seat or the other side. We know earlier they wanted to kill the house owner and he claimed he didn't even know Joran.

highly probably not.
just a frame from the NOS journaal (news).
a mob gathered aroud the appartment block where Joran allegedly was staying.
the rang all doorbells until someone answered with the name Johan.
they thought he said Joran.
the mob threathened him and kept him awake all night but he had nothing to do with it - just his name was simular.

that's how how high the emotions are running.
JvdS is the most hated person in the netherlands for sure. and rightly so of course.
but we shouldn't start harrassing people with simular names at random.

[Windsor]

I guess I'm trying to think of odds and ends in Natalee's case, such as the underwear question I had earlier.

So, didn't someone have a note in their pocket with the name "Steve" on it?  With a phone number, possibly?

[nonesuche]

Thanks to Helen for reminding us of the Aruba Dirty Police blogspot, if you haven't read this one it's quite something too. Amazing, very good work and passionate righteous anger.......savagery, that's the word he uses. Yes Joran and his family are savages for sure.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/aruba-look-what-theyve-done-to-natalee.html

[Peaches]

Mum
I don't know why the phone is in my mind now.  It just does not make any sense that he would walk to a pay phone with one in his pocket.  Teens use a cell phone as if it's a third appendage these days.  Joran would have grabbed that sucker and whipped it out and called whoever before he even thought about walking to a phone.  There is a reason he said he walked to a phone...it's the same as the reason he mentioned the shoes.

Exactly!  Lala's, you are dead on about the cell phone.  Walk to a pay phone?  BS!  He's not that ambitious.  He said he walked to the payphone to distance himself visually from what he had just done with his damn shoes.

[cubbeegirl]

I am just going to put it out there that I have known alot of "potheads" in my time and can be quite sure that none of them would ever admit to killing someone and disposing of a body due to the influence of marijuana...If anything they might be a little more paranoid than most people.... JMO

[Destiny]

Shepard Smith covering the case in 2 minutes....

UGH!  The Blond was *channeling* Greta...betcha Greata was sitting behind her chair, hand shoved up her butt, and flappin' her gums like a dummy!

[eightball06512]

I watched the Dan Hill, facial and body language expert, segment on tv.  Here are some things he said after reviewing the 3 sements of Urine, from the taped show last night.  Dan did say that he had ample time to review the segments before the interview.

1.  He said that Urine was telling the truth is what he was saying regarding Natalee being dead, and Urine being involved.

2. That the facial expressions in some of the footage, indicated that Urine had *disdain*...and *contempt*
for Natalee.

3. That this type of reaction, of disdain and contempt, is associated with *being rejected* by Natalee.

4. That Urine was telling the truth about not having any concern nor remorse for Natalee.

So...this still fits in my theory that Natalee fought her perps with every once of life in her...and she died, when the perps/pimps, beat it out of her.

Dest

Destiny....I saw and heard that report as well....and I do agree that Natalee was 'harmed'.....not simply died......in fact I think Natalee was not dead when she was dumped in the ocean.....

there is no way she overdosed, i think she puked some of the date rape drug out when she rode in the kalpoes car,thats why they were cleaning it. she was killed because she  saw who was raping her and that might include paulus. she was the only witness they couldnt control.

[SunnyinTX]

Yes they are clearly laughing..Just can't tell for sure if that is Joran in the back seat or the other side. We know earlier they wanted to kill the house owner and he claimed he didn't even know Joran.

It sure looks like urine in the back seat laughing...the bastardddddddddddddd....any idea who the people are in the front seat???

[Dayhiker]

The Judge said he would not authorize Joran's arrest on serious charges without more evidence. So the Dutch raid Grandma's house and seize the computers. Why don't they bring in SC and SG/KG for questioning, the key is in the sea disposal.

They don't want to hurt their feelings, Spock. Hoppalong Hans is cracking the whip again saying he'll arrest Joran if he comes to the island but so far Granny is the only person who's been inconvenienced.

It's the Dutch system, the one we don't understand.

[Lala'sMom]

I believe that Joran implicated Paulus in the Peter Devries' confession video.

In January of 2007 ... the Superior Court reversed the compensation that had been previously awared to Paulus van der Sloot for wrongful detention.  The Superior Court determined that Paulus' detention had been justified.

Janet

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Superior Court
January, 2007

The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court).  The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

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The Taped Information (Casino Video):

Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee 


Paulus' Declaration:

Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
March 26, 2006

TWITTY: ...... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 12, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

Finally!  Someone is seeing what I am seeing.  There is an abundance of information out there with documentation that will back up things that fit here.  There are reasons for everything Joran says...he's cold...calculating and devious.  He is perfectly aware of what he says and knows how to fit it into his lies.  We have the info, it's just lost in smallness among other places.

[robots]

i have a "friend"  that tried smoking pot a couple times

all it did was make me hungry and tired

i did 3-4 times ..errrr ahhhh i mean MY FRIEND and that was enough 

but it never  made me  MY FRIEND admit to anything other than wanting to eat a jelly donut or two