Natalee Case Discussion #721 2/3- 2/4/08

[Scrappie]

Question--did De Vries go to van der Eem first, or did van der Ee go to De Vries and offer to "get the goods" on Joran?

[SunnyinTX]

Server was "bogged" down again, Dugga just rebooted 

Could we please have a warning if possible?  Sometimes I wonder if it's just me.   

Thanks Dugga for all the hard work the past several days and days to come!

No way to warn people except to say for the next few days expect occasional problems and assume it is the site and not your PC.

Thanks for the warning Klaas!   

I can usually tell because my computer starts breathing heavy right before it goes down.

[klaasend]

I'm at a stupid conference out of town, talking to you from my laptop in my hotel room, so please forgive me for not having time to go back and read to catch up. (I will be in stupid conference sessions off and on until 8:00 tonight - pffttt!!!)

Someone told me this afternoon that they had heard that the ocean search for Natalee had been called off now. Can anyone tell me if that's so or not?

TY

Not to my knowledge, I've heard nothing about it being called off.

[caesu]

his lawyer on dutch tv NOVA:

"Joran is going to speak to the police"

thanks...can you verify who the attorney is???

attorney is bert de rooij

http://www.novatv.nl/

hans mos is now on nova. i report interesting news but there is al lot being said.
mos says joran's confession fits into his investigation.

thanks...is this a well known attorney??? CRIMINAL??

wish Nova was in English!!

unknown attorney.
he said he usually doesn't like appearing on tv/media shows
there was a lot of info in this nova program. ik couldn't keep up with it.
most important thing was that joran is going to speak to the police to explain how he got tricked in a confession.

bit i think he is going to give himself up to prevent the police from arresting him in the coming days.

very unusual for dutch tv: both lawyer en public prosecutor on same program.

now the whole peter de vries-crew is on pauw and witteman show.
i have to watch that on a differrent tv-set so i can't report on that while watching.

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328130,00.html

Aruban Prosecutor Considers Hidden Camera Footage of Holloway Suspect Admissible in Court
Monday, February 04, 2008

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  A hidden-camera interview with a Dutch student saying he believed missing teenager Natalee Holloway was dead and asking a friend to dump her body at sea is admissible in court, the chief Aruban prosecutor said Monday.

The courts in Aruba will likely accept the tape as evidence because it was recorded by a private citizen without any influence by authorities, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos told reporters.

"I take it very seriously," Mos said of the video.

The tape, which was first broadcast Sunday on Dutch television, has appeared to spur the investigation: Mos said authorities in the Netherlands searched two homes Monday where van der Sloot has lived while attending college there.

The prosecutor declined to provide any details about the searches.

A judge in Aruba denied a prosecution arrest to detain Van der Sloot based on the new information. Mos said they will file an appeal Tuesday and expect a decision within a week.

In the secret recordings broadcast, Van der Sloot said Holloway, 18, was drunk and that she began shaking and slumped down on the beach as they were kissing in May 2005.

"Suddenly she started shaking and then she didn't say anything," Van der Sloot said in Dutch, adding that he did not kill her. "I would never murder a girl."

He said he panicked and tried but failed to revive her. He said that Holloway looked dead but that he could not be sure she was not still alive when a friend took her away.

Mos said prosecutors believe Van der Sloot was telling the truth in the video because he seemed to struggle as he told the story and repeated it several times.

"Now, whether that is the truth, that has to be seen ..." he said. "Finally the court will have to decide whether this is a declaration ... that we can use as evidence in this court of law."

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for student Joran Van der Sloot, said his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession.

"There was no confession, no admission of a crime by Joran on any of these tapes, which is very telling," Tacopina said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance. In the secret footage, Van der Sloot spoke with a man he believed to be his friend, who gave him "drugs, marijuana, things like that," Tacopina told ABC.

But Natalee's mother, Beth Twitty, told ABC: "I don't think any of us are surprised by his reaction (that his comments were fiction), but I know one thing. Once people see the video of Joran there are no more questions. There is no one who can walk away from this believing that he is innocent."

She said Van der Sloot didn't even know if her daughter was alive or not.

"Natalee never even had the chance for a medical doctor or a coroner, anyone, to determine (if she was alive)," Twitty said.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, was last seen leaving a bar with Van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers hours before she was due to board a flight home.

The three were arrested shortly after her disappearance and again in November, but released for lack of evidence. Prosecutors then dismissed their case against them, saying they lacked evidence even to prove a crime. All three have always denied any role in her disappearance.

[klaasend]

Question--did De Vries go to van der Eem first, or did van der Ee go to De Vries and offer to "get the goods" on Joran?

Not sure.  I THINK van der Eem went to DeVries but I could be wrong.

[BTgirl]

I'm at a stupid conference out of town, talking to you from my laptop in my hotel room, so please forgive me for not having time to go back and read to catch up. (I will be in stupid conference sessions off and on until 8:00 tonight - pffttt!!!)

Someone told me this afternoon that they had heard that the ocean search for Natalee had been called off now. Can anyone tell me if that's so or not?

TY

Not to my knowledge, I've heard nothing about it being called off.

Thanks, Klaas.

[Anna]

How many times have I said that even with training, I would not want to pronounce a person as deceased???  No way young punks could tell without stethescope or even with one! 

Did anyone else think Joran looked very bad in the tape.  Maybe he is dead.  Maybe someone should dump him a few miles out in the ocean because he doesn't look too good to me.

Just saying. . . .

LOL...Anna...he looks dead to me!! Let's dump his ass for sure!!!

Well, acccording to Joran and apparently Aruba in general, this is SOP for dealing with a person who might be deceased so why not?  They are saying this is perfectly normal behavior especially is one is "scared."  OK, I'm scared, we are all scared.  Scared monkeys, lol.

But first, we need to buy him a drink!  Jossy said $20 at C&C is the going rate.

my opinion only

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[MumInOhio]

Bert de Rooij...lawyer

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/975/548

[SunnyinTX]

Question--did De Vries go to van der Eem first, or did van der Ee go to De Vries and offer to "get the goods" on Joran?

I understand  that Patrick went to Peter....if this is incorrect I am sure someone will correct me

[blah]

Posted by MF at RU:

Joran under death threats.

Van der Sloot al eerder met de dood bedreigd.

Joran: 'Serieuze aanwijzingen dat mensen mij willen laten vermoorden.'

Joran van der Sloot werd vrijdag al met de dood bedreigd. Vrijdag kreeg Van der Sloot bezoek van iemand die nauw betrokken was bij het OM Aruba en hem kwam waarschuwen. Van der Sloot: ‘Hij zei dat er serieuze aanwijzingen waren dat mensen mij willen laten vermoorden. Tja, ik weet niet of dat echt zo is.’

Joran van der Sloot zit momenteel ondergedoken. Niet alleen de binnen- en buitenlandse media maken jacht op hem, ook de bevolking wil hem graag laten weten wat ze van hem vinden. Zo wordt hij op zijn hyves-pagina massaal veroordeeld en verzamelen tientallen mensen zich voor zijn vermeende onderduikadres in Drachten.

Van der Sloot sliep al enige tijd niet meer in zijn studentenhuis in Arnhem. Donderdagavond maakte Peter R. de Vries bekend dat hij de vermissing van Natalee Holloway had opgelost. De Vries had met een verborgen camera een bekentenis losgekregen bij Van der Sloot.

Vrijdagnacht ging Van der Sloot nog uit en zaterdagavond wilde hij ook het liefst carnaval vieren. Maar zijn familie raadde hem dat af. Want toen belden al geregeld journalisten aan, dus bleef hij binnen.

DAG-verslaggeefster Zvezdana Vukojevic bezocht hem op zijn onderduikadres, dat niet in Drachten is. Toen was hij nog onbezorgd en maakte hij nog grapjes. Van der Sloot:‘De politie is nog niet gekomen, toch?’ Zaterdagmiddag werd Van der Sloot toch naar een andere schuilplaats gebracht.

Na de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries was hij al een stuk minder vrolijk. In een chatsessie met Vukojevic liet hij zondagnacht weten waar hij ondergedoken zat en dat hij misschien Nederland moet ontvluchten.

De ouders van Van der Sloot konden de uitzending niet zien vanaf Aruba.

Full google translation:

Van der Sloot already threatened with death.

Joran: 'Serious evidence that people want to murder me. "

Joran van der Sloot was Friday already threatened with death. Friday was Van der Sloot visit from someone who was deeply involved in the OM Aruba and came warn him. Van der Sloot: "He said that there were serious indications that people want me to murder. Well, I do not know whether that is really the case. "

Joran van der Sloot is currently hiding. Not only the domestic and foreign media to hunt for him, even the people want him to let him know what they think. Thus, he runs hyves-page en masse and collect dozens of people convicted for his alleged onderduikadres in Drachten.

Van der Sloot slept for some time as a student no longer in Arnhem. Thursday was Peter R. De Vries announced he of the missing Natalee Holloway had been resolved. De Vries had a hidden camera with a confession losgekregen at Van der Sloot.

Vrijdagnacht, Van der Sloot and even Saturday he also wanted prefer celebrate carnival. But his family advised him that. Because when belden already covered journalists, so he remained inside.

DAY-Zvezdana Vukojevic reporter visited him at his onderduikadres, which is not in Drachten. When he was still free and he even jokes. Van der Sloot: 'The police has not yet come, right? "Saturday was Van der Sloot yet to another shelter.

After the broadcast of Peter R. De Vries he was already a lot less cheerful. In a chat with Vukojevic Sunday night he know where he is hiding Saturday and that he might flee the Netherlands.

The parents of Van der Sloot could not see the broadcast from Aruba.

COOL!!!

I WOULD LAUGH SO HARD IF SOMEONE CAPPED HIS ASS!!!!!

GO GET 'EM DUTCHIES!!!

 

[Bearlyhere]

his lawyer on dutch tv NOVA:

"Joran is going to speak to the police"

thanks...can you verify who the attorney is???

attorney is bert de rooij

http://www.novatv.nl/

hans mos is now on nova. i report interesting news but there is al lot being said.
mos says joran's confession fits into his investigation.

Thanks!  I love having all these new Dutch posters to keep us posted and shedding insight we may not have/know.

Welcome to ALL new Monkeys!

[MumInOhio]

Sorry I meant to add Tilberg....Paulus too IIRC

[littletxlady]

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[Observer]

Question--did De Vries go to van der Eem first, or did van der Ee go to De Vries and offer to "get the goods" on Joran?

HI scrappie..Patrick approached De Vries first..

[klaasend]

REMINDER

In the Media thread alot of the videos pertaining to the case are being posted.  Carpe copies all of them he can and posted the YouTube links in this thread.  Also ******* and I have posted a couple.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9.msg339766#new

[BlueKYGirl]

Question--did De Vries go to van der Eem first, or did van der Ee go to De Vries and offer to "get the goods" on Joran?

Not sure.  I THINK van der Eem went to DeVries but I could be wrong.

That was the way I understood it. I think Van Der Eem met Joran and realized that he could gain his confidence, so he went to DeVries so that Natalee's family would finally have justice (I think that was how it was explained on here yesterday).

[robots]

like i said earlier

i dont want them to prosecute any more

3-6 months for hiding a body

that is shameless and an insult to Natalee and her family and mankind

nawwwwwwwww... let the freak be in constant danger from the PUBLIC

let him think everyday might be his last

the ALE and DUTCH prosectors  have screwed around for the last time

i hate everyone involved in this that NEVER ONCE DID THEIR FREAKING JOB AND LET THIS PIG RUN AROUND DAY AFTER DAY AFTER like he was a prince

im sick of joran and paulus and anita and k2 and HANS MOS and DOMPIG and GUIDO
and the list goes on and on and on
 

let him go and someone will take care of him once and for all... cause he will step on the wrong toes soon enough

RANT OVER 

GRETA IS A WITCH

[Spock]

Question--did De Vries go to van der Eem first, or did van der Ee go to De Vries and offer to "get the goods" on Joran?

I understand  that Patrick went to Peter....if this is incorrect I am sure someone will correct me

Van der eem went to the police first, the police said they could do nothing because Joran was no longer a suspect. Van der eem then went to Devries who set him up with the vehicle and hidden cameras.

Yes, the police turned him away.

[klaasend]

Thanks Littletxlady  - yes GHB would be my guess put into her drink at CnC.