Natalee Case Discussion #721 2/3- 2/4/08

[Blonde]

GMA Feb 4, 2008 Beth / Joe Tacopina / Patrick van der Eem

Beth with Diane Sawyer
Good Morning America
February 4, 2008

Beth Holloway
Joe Tacopina
Patrick van der Eem

** I missed the beginning of this, but they may replay it later.
Strange how Diane Sawyer appeared much more distraught by this
story than Beth did.

Diane:

Beth, are you in any way troubled by the method? As we know someone was paid to use hidden cameras in order to obtain this. Are you at all bothered by that?

Beth:

Ohhhh, no I think that, no, it was just a way to capture the truth for once. I mean everyone had tried to no avail and it's just amazing that, how it unfolded and that's what it took to finally capture the truth from Joran and that is what we received, so I mean I think it's a gift that what we were given from him.

Diane:

Again, I want to go back to you as a mother looking at this tape and the coarse words from this young man. When you saw the tape, was that the moment you said goodbye to hope/ Was it a moment that you said a farewell to Natalee in a different way?

Beth:

Well, it was Diane and for the first time I felt I put an end to my nightmare and the nightmare is the not knowing and I feel as if now that I can begin the mourning and the healing process for losing a child.

You just, even though you know there's only 1% chance, you know you can't, that's still you know, that's something that's in the back of your mind, you know, just the not knowing. Also you begin to even doubt the whole mission, why, who am I hanging on to as far as her perpetrators and now it's all brought to light and gosh I just couldn't take more comfort in knowing now what actually happened

Diane:

Beth, thank you for being with us and as always, our hearts go to you.

Beth:

Oh, thank you Diane

Good Morning America
February 4, 2008

7,000,000 people watched that 2 hour special containing all the footage of those secret tapes last night. Keep in mind there are only 17,000,000 people in that entire country, so it shows how this has captured the world's attention.

This morning we have an exclusive interview with the man who went under cover and set the trap that could break this case wide open.

Chris Cuomo as you know, live in Amsterdam for us this morning. Chris?

Cuomo:

Robin, the man you're about to meet believed he could do what no one else has. He describes himself as the ultimate concerned citizen. He's not a cop, he's not a reporter and that might have been the key to his success in getting Joran van der Sloot to admit his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Patrick:

How can you sleep, I did this thing, I had a lot of days I couldn't sleep and I wasn't harming nobody

Cuomo:

When was the first time you met Joran?

Patrick:

I went to the casino, I went over to him, he was playing the game and the first thing I said to him was "hey, matong", that means "hey, murderer" but in a funny kind of way you know

Cuomo:

Why did you say it that way?

Patrick:

Because it's the truth. I never planned him for being my friend, he was never my friend.

(play videotape)

Cuomo:

This is 34 year old Patrick van der Eem, married father of 2, born in the Antilles, filled with Dutch pride and disgust for what's believed to be Joran van der Sloot's lies. He decided to do what no one else had: get the truth out of van der Sloot. So for 6 months, up to 8 hours a day he palled around with Joran, mostly cruising, all a part of a carefully crafted scheme.

(end videotape)

Cuomo:

And why did you want this?

Patrick:

Why did I want this? It's obvious, everybody was looking for the truth, for a mother.

Cuomo:

And when you saw him in the casino, you thought this was your chance?

Patrick:

And I will finish him

Cuomo:

What was the game? How were you presenting yourself to him?

Patrick:

As a gangster, a big one

Cuomo:

Despite having no training, he posed as a dealer looking to set up an operation and the key was he ignored any talk about Natalee Holloway. With the foundation layed, he called television journalist Peter de Vries who hired him.

Patrick:

I had my Range Rover waiting all that time, the cameras, everything in it, people waiting outside filming, we were all ready for him

Cuomo:

And he took the opportunity and started to talk?

Patrick:

(snaps his finger) the minute he got in my Range Rover. He's telling about the (inaudible) dying of Natalee Holloway in his hands and without any emotion, you know I felt sometime I had to cry but I had to keep it in you know, but as soon as he'd get out of the car, my tears were coming, BANG.

Cuomo:

Joran told him he called a friend and they used a boat to dump the body. At one point Joran even brags about his ability to outsmart the authorities.

(play videotape)

Joran:

I played it right though, I played the whole thing right in the beginning. I can tell them whatever they want. If they can't get any evidence against me, then yeah, they won't be able to screw me

(end videotape)

Cuomo:

You said it's like a chess game

Patrick:

But I'm finished, it's checkmate.

Cuomo:

And so Patrick has outsmartted Joran getting the 20 year old to make this startling admission

(play videotape)

Joran:

So we took her to the boat

Patrick:

Carried her?

Joran:

Yes, the two of us

Patrick:

And no one saw you even then?

Joran:

No one

(end videotape)

Cuomo:

An admission that now brings two strangers, a mother and an informant together

(play videotape of Patrick and Beth)

Beth:

with doe eyes fixed
on Patrick "Patrick, you ended my nightmare

Patrick:

I'm happy

Beth:

You, ended my nightmare

(end videotape)

Cuomo:

Do you have any feeling of betrayal, that you betrayed him?

Patrick:

No, you betrayed my country and you betrayed the whole world Joran, this is your punishment

(end interview)

Cuomo:

You know, I asked him 'why didn't you keep going with this Patrick, maybe you could have found out something about exactly how Natalee Holloway died that's different than what you'd heard. He said he couldn't take it anymore emotionally, that literally it was too much sitting in that car pretending not to care about something that as a father and as a human he just couldn't withstand.

He says he doesn't care what the prosecutors do with this tape, now that it has aired, it will condemn Joran van der Sloot to a life of shame and he says that's punishment enough.

GMA:

Joining us now is Joran van der Sloot's attorney, Joseph Tacopina, to get this side of the story. Thank you Joe for being here.

We know that the prosecutors are asking for the case to be re-opened but right now they're not going to re-arrest your client?

Joe:

Well they tried. The prosecution had this tape for over a week and they struggled with the evidenciary value of it because they didn't even seek to re-arrest Joran for a week. They've arrested him twice in this case with no evidence. They went to a Judge finally after we sort of questioned why they wouldn't even seek an arrest and Joran denied Joran's arrest last night, which speaks volumes for the evidenciary value of this tape.

There are problems inherent in the tape, many of the facts are easily disprovable based on corroborative evidence. No one's asking at this point, certainly I'm not asking anyone to believe Joran, or any of his statements. Clearly his credibility is zero, but look separately, look independently at what he's saying are the facts in this case, the evidence and his story is inconsistent as it was

GMA:

Why would he lie like that?

Joe:

Well look, you know that is the toughest question but the facts are easily disprovable. The guy allegedly with the boat, Daury, wasn't even in Aruba in May of 2005, he's never owned a boat, Joran didn't meet him until 2 months ago so he made up these facts.

On thing that you'll see in this tape recording that you've played earlier is he said, the undercover said "In a boat?" and Joran paused and said "yes". Understand that each and every one of these conversations are after there was marijuana induced, introduced into the set, this undercover if you will provided Joran with drugs, marijuana, things like that, said things, he was acting like an idiot quite frankly but don't forget this individual just said he was making himself out to be a mobster, a criminal, a big individual and I think Joran was just playing this game.

He's [inaudible) about a lot of other things too independent of this investigation.

GMA:

But why would he go into such great detail. For Joran to know that people have suspected him and to go into such great detail, to talk with someone as he did with this informant, has a lot of people saying, at the very least, if he did not kill her, that he was there and was involved in the disappearance and wasn't that a crime in itself?

Joe:

Well actually no, there is no admission. This thing has been deemed a confession and that was done for ratings for this guy's show in The Netherlands last night. It was deemed a confession, there's no confession, there's no admission of a crime by Joran in any of these tapes, which is very telling, I mean that's one of the things the prosecution

GMA:

But to say that he was there, that she may still have been alive when she was thrown into the water?

Joe:

No, no, he didn't say that. There are various portions of this tape where his story is drastically different and that's part of the reason, you know he doesn't have details that are accurrate, his story changes over 20 hours but what he says is she died, he panicked and called a friend from a payphone, which by the way is disprovable because the Aruban Coast Guard has already looked at that payphone and there's no such call, we have the records.

GMA:

What are the authorities telling you right now?

Joe:

They're looking at the case again, which they should do. Joran deserves this if you will, but the fact of the matter is he's still not responsible, the evidence, not Joran, the evidence says he's not responsible for Natalee's death.

GMA:

Joseph Tacopina, thank you very much.

[Blonde]

Sorry hit tip to Heli

[Frank]

Any word from the ship Klaas?

[blah]

lawyer on dutch tv nova.

police have confiscated joran's laptop and a hard disk from granny's home.

yesterday joran's was very upset. regretted his confession.

lawyer is implying that joran made friends with patrick to obtain weed and more importantly money to feed joran's gambling addiction.
lawyer suggests confession is all a big set up. patrick acts like a criminal and joran's thinks he needs to proof he is a criminial too so he makes up a confession.

wait a minute, the lawyer is saying Joran made a confession?  Did he say what he confessed to?  Which lawyer said this??

thanks!!!

[robots]

People in Drachten are hunting down Joran. They are holding up cabs to see if he might escape in one. There are rumours that he’s in this flat




thats a shame


NOT

[wreck]

blah:

COOL!!!

I WOULD LAUGH SO HARD IF SOMEONE CAPPED HIS ASS!!!!!

GO GET 'EM DUTCHIES!!!

Where's "Dexter" when you need him??

[klaasend]

Any word from the ship Klaas?

Frank - I don't have direct contact with them unless Red tells me something they told him.  Normally I only know what is either posted on their blog or whay Kyle posts here or on other sites.  I haven't heard anything new in a few days.

[Dayhiker]

Oh no, he's not gonna get away with this by dying!

 

[Lala'sMom]

This may have already been posted...if so delete.

From Jos at BFN:

NOVA latest news:

Joran is prepared to make a statement on Aruba. he will not be taken in but his lawyer says he is prepared to tell the police that his story was a lie and why it was a lie.

The Lawyer says also that Patrick had threatened Joran's parents.

They took all his computer.

Mos on the phone: 90% of the story resembles earlier given statemnet, so why should te story have to be considered as a lie?

Guest lawyer in the studio: we have to know what happened on the beach, he is not telling the truh.

[kgwallace88]

Any word from the ship Klaas?

I asked about that this morning but still haven't heard anything yet

[SunnyinTX]

Posted on the front page of SM:

gekke aap wrote:


look at these pics. the comment under the second picture:

People in Drachten are hunting down Joran. They are holding up cabs to see if he might escape in one. There are rumours that he’s in this flat


http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2008/02/peiling_bekentenissen_joran_kl.html

I am so happy to see the people of the Netherlands reacting like this......the aruban people only rallied against the truth and against Beth....looks like the Dutch are pissed and are not going to take this piece of slime putting them in the world spotlight so adversely ...after all he is Dutch

[thirdstrike]

Good afternoon everyone.  What's the word?

[KarmaRoundUp]

Okay, ABC news is all over it. Three lead-ins including a hype for their program tomorrow at 9:30 PM.

http://abcnews.go.com/

"Did you try CPR on her?" asked van der Eem.


"Of course, I tried everything," van der Sloot said. "I tried to shake her. I was shaking the bitch. I was like, 'What is wrong with you man?' I almost wanted to cry. Why does this s*** have to happen to me?"


"ME"!!!  Always about Joran!!  Man, just read these words...this is what's posted on the abc news link...just wait until more people hear this!!

Here's more from abc news:

But was she really dead?


"How were you so sure she was dead, Joran?" van der Eem asked on the tapes. "You know, people can also go into a coma."


"Yeah, I wasn't sure about that, but it really startled me to death," van der Sloot admitted.


"But she could also have been in a coma," van der Eem said.


"That's possible too huh," van der Sloot answered. "That's very possible."


Van der Sloot said he immediately began crafting an alibi.


"I have to do normal things," he said. "And I am going to casino tomorrow night so I'm on camera."

Why would joranhave to do normal things the night after Natalee was murdered......because this is the night they got rid of her body,the 2nd night not the first.I don't think joran got rid of her body,someone else did while joran did normal things for an alibi just in case someone saw them getting rid of Natalee.Also,when joran used the payphone to call his"best buddy in the world,I will NEVER tell his name"pal Daury,why did he tell the person on the other end of that call"not to bring police"?Could this person called had been Jan Van der Straaten?

[blah]

Posted on the front page of SM:

gekke aap wrote:


look at these pics. the comment under the second picture:

People in Drachten are hunting down Joran. They are holding up cabs to see if he might escape in one. There are rumours that he’s in this flat


http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2008/02/peiling_bekentenissen_joran_kl.html

WOOOHOOOO Go Get him Boys!!!

Lynch that SUmbich and go get His sweaty Pig Father next!!!


 



 

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[SunnyinTX]

Posted on the front page of SM:

gekke aap wrote:


look at these pics. the comment under the second picture:

People in Drachten are hunting down Joran. They are holding up cabs to see if he might escape in one. There are rumours that he’s in this flat
http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2008/02/peiling_bekentenissen_joran_kl.html

Good, he has become a pox on society. Many more Americans will feel the same way tomorrow morning after seeing the ABC News Special.

This afternoon I spoke with a friend who said when she saw the pictures on urine on the internet this morning she felt she was looking into the face of EVIL!! 

[Dayhiker]

Joe: Well actually no, there is no admission. This thing has been deemed a confession and that was done for ratings for this guy's show in The Netherlands last night. It was deemed a confession, there's no confession, there's no admission of a crime by Joran in any of these tapes, which is very telling, I mean that's one of the things the prosecution


TACOSHITHEAD, SAYING YOU ARRANGED TO DISPOSE OF A PERSON WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE DECEASED IS NOT A CONFESSION?

WHO'S GONNA BUY THAT CRAP?

[Scrappie]

Question--did De Vries go to van der Eem first, or did van der Ee go to De Vries and offer to "get the goods" on Joran?

Not sure.  I THINK van der Eem went to DeVries but I could be wrong.

Thanks!  I am curious about the relationship between Joran and van der Eem.  It would actually be interesting to see all the other things that were taped--even the things that may have nothing to do with NH.  It would be great insight into Joran and also the friendship between the two.  He says he was trying to impress vde, but other discussions may point to a true trust between the two.  That would indicate a willingness to "confess" as opposed to "impress".

[blah]

Listen to this IDIOT Rose Marie Arnold on FOX

"the only thing he confesses to is making a phone call"

Joran - how much are you paying for this moronic defense?
 

Who is paying this moron to go on FOX news and spew this crap like we cant hear the tape???

Oh yea, keep taling Rose Marie, I dont know who is sinking Joran faster - you,  Joran or Taco!!!


 

i think she is a SLUT




did i just say that ??????

 


 

[Observer]

Oh no, he's not gonna get away with this by dying!

 

This is the Northern Province of Holland not Africa or the Middle East..If Joran got Death Threats then they had to be coming from Aruba..Not sure what the good dutch people will do to him if they catch him..It wont be asking for his autograph that is for sure..They probably just want him out of the country!