Natalee Case Discussion #721 2/3- 2/4/08

[Lala'sMom]

What about the Kalpoes?  What about if they see that chit?  What does that mean? If they had nothing to do with this what was the big deal in the police van?  Why call Joran and say we hit the jackpot?  Why even tell the HI lie in the first place?  Deepak had to know what happened.  Deepak is dense alright, but for goodness sake is that stupid?  Come on! Deepak did you even try to help Natalee?  Why did that send him into a tail spin? 

What about Steve Croes?  Is that island overrun with idiots?  Why tell corroborate the HI lie? That is about as stupid as taking a dead body out to the ocean with no questions asked. 

What about Satish?  How's the girl?  What do you mean how's the girl?  Why even ask such a question?  Something happened to her BEFORE the beach drop off...if there was such a drop off...if they were even at the beach.

What about all the things we do know for a fact..they don't fit Joran's story and if ALE and Mos think this is going to wash they need new brains.  Make the 4 AM pickup fit the cell phone and computer log in times.  How can you be on your computer and out in the hood at the same time?  You can't.  The story doesn't fit what we know...

[Ono]

Joran: "Something happened, I didn't kill her, the ocean is big, right? I got very lucking they never found her (no body no case). I think I'm in the clear, they wont find a body. Let me tell you I never talked about this to anyone. They dumped her in the ocean. I know people who could helped me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat. "


why in the world would he throw in  'it's not my parents' ???

Because the "people" are close to/ in same social circle/ on the same power structure as his parents?  Or.....because it WAS his parents? The "people" have power and connections.

[truthseeker2]

Has anyone been able to determine why Joran threw away his shoes?  Having done that I doubt he walked home. 

[cubbeegirl]

JUST HAVE TO GET THIS OFF MY CHEST

I did not expect any more or any less of Joran in this confession.  It is just about what I expected.  I have always said that if she had died of natural causes, even from an overdose, Joran and/or his father would have sought help, taken her to the emergency room, called the friends at the Holiday Inn if and when she expired or was resuscitated, and Beth would have been notified.  Joran would have been a hero of some sort for rendering necessary help, but this was not NATURAL CAUSES. 

Further, I expected no more or less of the language he used and his "blame the victim" attitude, because we have seen and heard his Yenta mother, and he is only an extension of her greedy control.  We have seen her lying on TV, heard what she said to Beth & Greta, and witnessed what she raised and called a "child."  She raised a monster.  Normal, good, loving kind people do not raise these kinds of monsters.  He is a product of his environment.

Anita, Paulus, you are reaping what you sowed.  Paulus, you weakling.  You never stood up to that fat blob and told her that your children would need to be raised with morals and discipline.  You let her "woodstock" these children.  She has ruined your life which became warped because of your weakness and her control and in all probability she goaded you for not being a judge and then lied to make you look better, you weakling.  She controlled your family life, your children and has wrecked everything you worked and fought for and now your spawn has finished her off as well.  We hope Val will have enough decency and common sense to distance himself from your grasp and that Joran will no longer be around to kick poor Poppin' Fresh.  He is just a fat little guy who needs your love that you are unable to give him for cleaning out the vacuum cleaner that Joran sucked out of your household.  It's all empty now.  Everybody knows you for what you have done and what your #1 spawn has done.  Empty your vacuum cleaner.  Redeem yourselves.

Great post Tyler..... Poppin Fresh teehee

[robots]

question # 1

if joran didnt rape, drug or kill Natalee

why not just leave her on the beach

question #2

he spilled everything about this murder to his friend in the car EXCEPT the real name of
his helper........ why give a fake name


i know the answers........and im sure most here do also


but some dont, but they are questions the SLOOOOOTER should answer


here are the answers

because she didnt just die... she was drugged and raped and beaten


because he would never want to reveal the name of his father.......
to anyone because if papa sloot goes down, so does joran

they are forever linked to the DEATH of a beatiful young lady that had more potential
than either a failed judge or a failed gansta ever could hope to have

[Observer]

He didn't name him tonight either. It's Lorenzo or Koen that helped dispose of Natalee with the Boat. WHat he was telling was half truth here.MO
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the friend is older

knows Joran all his life

he will never name him until the day he dies, as an honor debt for brining away the body

at one moment he moved no more, Joran went to a pay phone called the guy and they got rid of her

the guy says, you go home, I will take care of it

Joran is full of praise for the man, the infiltrator tells he will get pay for the man

*******....yes...I personally still think it was Lorenzo....when I was making my phone calls quite awhile back, to the corrections institute in Aruba, when Lorenzo had been arrested, I was very disturbed to hear that Lorenzo was getting the same slap on the wrist from LEI, that Joran had recieved.

I still wonder at the *special* treatment he got...he only served 18 days in prison, for a much larger crime.  And, he too had a *private* closed door meeting with the judge who let him off scott-free.

Dest

He will never ever name Lorenzo either or his father..You know Destiny,It was reported at RU that Lorenzo was let go scott free because of mistakes made by the OM or prosecuters office,and will never serve time because of those mistakes. Your contact told us he had a private mediation with a dutch judge and it would never go to trial. It's possible it was a mistake but I still have the email from Jossy that says Lorenzo was nailed with a cache of weapons and was looking at a great deal of time just for that. But that was when he was called Van Gijn and the next day we were told he had no weapons.

[Yellow Ribbon]

Joran, we've known it was you from the first night when Beth, Jug and their friends showed up at your gate. Now you are on tape admitting to getting rid of the body. We will pursue you until justice is done.

[Kiwi]

A few weeks ago I recommended that the Aruban police should look at all the phone records of the evening and rule in anyone the family knows. The list should include other judges and anyone of authority. Well the good news on that island at 2-3:00am there weren't that many phone calls total. Possibly as few as 100. Since 90% or more of the island was asleep. Even Joran didn't call Deepak that late. Instead he used texting on a computer. My guess one number will come up and cross reference that with boat owners in the Mariott marina. It would take too long to trailer a boat and put it into the water.

[Spock]

Joran: "Something happened, I didn't kill her, the ocean is big, right? I got very lucking they never found her (no body no case). I think I'm in the clear, they wont find a body. Let me tell you I never talked about this to anyone. They dumped her in the ocean. I know people who could helped me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat. "

why in the world would he throw in  'it's not my parents' ???

Noly I wondered the same thing.......His parents were involved in someway in this no doubt about it...JMO 

Good find, I didnt know about the "Its not my parents, it was a friend" statement

[Tylergal]

Found at another site regarding Joran and the PDV expose, but thought it worth posting here.

 ::MonkeyDance::35 seconds of water-boarding would have nipped this crap in the bud. I don't advocate this for teenagers. Rather, only for murderers that pose a threat to American citizens.

[cubbeegirl]

What about the Kalpoes?  What about if they see that chit?  What does that mean? If they had nothing to do with this what was the big deal in the police van?  Why call Joran and say we hit the jackpot?  Why even tell the HI lie in the first place?  Deepak had to know what happened.  Deepak is dense alright, but for goodness sake is that stupid?  Come on! Deepak did you even try to help Natalee?  Why did that send him into a tail spin? 

What about Steve Croes?  Is that island overrun with idiots?  Why tell corroborate the HI lie? That is about as stupid as taking a dead body out to the ocean with no questions asked. 

What about Satish?  How's the girl?  What do you mean how's the girl?  Why even ask such a question?  Something happened to her BEFORE the beach drop off...if there was such a drop off...if they were even at the beach.

What about all the things we do know for a fact..they don't fit Joran's story and if ALE and Mos think this is going to wash they need new brains.  Make the 4 AM pickup fit the cell phone and computer log in times.  How can you be on your computer and out in the hood at the same time?  You can't.  The story doesn't fit what we know...

What about cleaning out the car at 2 a.m. .......?
What about... "you would be surprised how simple it was that night"?
What about the casino video with Papa Sloot sitting at the table with Natalee?
Why get rid of the shoes?

Too many questions rolling around in my mind right now...

[cubbeegirl]

What about the Kalpoes?  What about if they see that chit?  What does that mean? If they had nothing to do with this what was the big deal in the police van?  Why call Joran and say we hit the jackpot?  Why even tell the HI lie in the first place?  Deepak had to know what happened.  Deepak is dense alright, but for goodness sake is that stupid?  Come on! Deepak did you even try to help Natalee?  Why did that send him into a tail spin? 

What about Steve Croes?  Is that island overrun with idiots?  Why tell corroborate the HI lie? That is about as stupid as taking a dead body out to the ocean with no questions asked. 

What about Satish?  How's the girl?  What do you mean how's the girl?  Why even ask such a question?  Something happened to her BEFORE the beach drop off...if there was such a drop off...if they were even at the beach.

What about all the things we do know for a fact..they don't fit Joran's story and if ALE and Mos think this is going to wash they need new brains.  Make the 4 AM pickup fit the cell phone and computer log in times.  How can you be on your computer and out in the hood at the same time?  You can't.  The story doesn't fit what we know...

What about cleaning out the car at 2 a.m. .......?
What about... "you would be surprised how simple it was that night"?
What about the casino video with Papa Sloot sitting at the table with Natalee?
Why get rid of the shoes?

Too many questions rolling around in my mind right now...

Oh, and I forgot about Natalee fell and hit her head...

[Tamikosmom]

When I compare the translated transcript of Joran's words and ... then watch this video ... I am convinced that the lack of remorse ... the lack of caring ... THIS GUY HAS NO CONSCIENCE.

What are his parents thinking?  The happenings regarding the morning of May 30, 2005 would have been the perfect opportunity to get there son the help he so desperately needs and ... the family of Natalee Holloway would not have been put throught almost three years of a H--- on Earth.

Hey ... Paulus and Anita van der Sloot do not have any conscience.  They could care less about the risk their son poses to other "Natalees".

The hate I have in my heart at this moment is more directed at Anita and Paulus than ... Joran.

Janet

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VIDEO OF JORAN'S CONFESSION

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40829/08150258/joran_loopt_volledig_leeg.html

[Ono]

Good night all....I am fading fast.  See you tomorrow.

[robots]

paulis was the wold sitting across from natalee at the table

he is the WOLF


paulus is daury 

[Lake Erie Princess]

 ::MonkeyLaugh::IMO,
Joran is guilty 105 % !
When Natalee started to seize,
or passed out, he had NO right to assume she was dead.
He threw a body into the ocean, which was probably still alive.

This creepy young man has had months to fess up. IF he
had a conscience he would have told LE.

IMO, Joran is a murderer, without a doubt in my mind,
and he is a
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[robots]

What about the Kalpoes?  What about if they see that chit?  What does that mean? If they had nothing to do with this what was the big deal in the police van?  Why call Joran and say we hit the jackpot?  Why even tell the HI lie in the first place?  Deepak had to know what happened.  Deepak is dense alright, but for goodness sake is that stupid?  Come on! Deepak did you even try to help Natalee?  Why did that send him into a tail spin? 

What about Steve Croes?  Is that island overrun with idiots?  Why tell corroborate the HI lie? That is about as stupid as taking a dead body out to the ocean with no questions asked. 

What about Satish?  How's the girl?  What do you mean how's the girl?  Why even ask such a question?  Something happened to her BEFORE the beach drop off...if there was such a drop off...if they were even at the beach.

What about all the things we do know for a fact..they don't fit Joran's story and if ALE and Mos think this is going to wash they need new brains.  Make the 4 AM pickup fit the cell phone and computer log in times.  How can you be on your computer and out in the hood at the same time?  You can't.  The story doesn't fit what we know...

What about cleaning out the car at 2 a.m. .......?
What about... "you would be surprised how simple it was that night"?
What about the casino video with Papa Sloot sitting at the table with Natalee?
Why get rid of the shoes?

Too many questions rolling around in my mind right now...

Oh, and I forgot about Natalee fell and hit her head...

 

[klaasend]

And another thing...

If Joran was BSing this guy, why not blame it on the Kalpoes?  If you are going to BS, say you had sex with her and left her with the Kalpoes.  Place the blame on them.  Placing the blame on yourself makes no sense whatsoever.  I can see bragging about having sex with a girl but not disposing of a "maybe" dead body. 

[crazybabyborg]

I don't know about all the questions, Cubbee, but IMO, Paulus' mind was racing and I think he was hoping he could keep Joran from being connected in any way and had K2 totally clean the car to erase all traces that both she and Joran were in the car. Maybe he had Joran call to tell them to do it.

BTW: DESTINY I had missed your post in all the news, and am sorry. Check the avi thread. 

[klaasend]

Nite Ono