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« on: February 04, 2008, 06:21:48 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2008, 06:28:41 PM »

    
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2008, 06:29:06 PM »

Monday, 4 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 37: Joran's lawyer offers a talk between him and the prosecutors, Makes weak excuses, Joran is addicted to gambling, in debt
 
Joran's Dutch Lawyer is making excuses for Joran now. He's apparently a pathological liar and needed money for his gambling addiction, and this is why he told the 'lies' about Natalee's disappearance. De Vries has 'twisted' the evidence in his advantage.

Hans Mos and a Law psychologist have just joined the discussion and are not buying it. There argument is that the other evidence fits the story, and the main part that's interesting is the 'missing' part of the story between Ntalee dying and "Daury" showing up to dispose of the body.

Hans Mos has just claimed that the 'Daury' that appeared in the papers yesterday is a different one. The last names, beeped in the show, are different. Hans Mos has already contacted the 'real' Daury. He's hoping that Joran will help them with what actually happened this time.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-37-jorans.html
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 06:35:26 PM »

I am sure most criminals have their reasons for committing a crime  ........ SO WHAT!!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 06:40:07 PM »

Shout out to Simian!!  Hey! Go on the front page and tell us who the boat guy is?  Is he the same as the 5th suspect?  Come on!  Simian you know this answer...we can't find you on the FP. You know this.  Give us a hint.  Remember?  Simian says....


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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 06:40:11 PM »

Update from Equivocationnation:

An Aruban friend that van der Sloot described as 'Daury' helped him dispose of the body by dumping it in the ocean. During the TV show, a man named Daury, a former friend of van der Sloot's was found, but he can prove that he was in Holland at the time of Holloway's disappearance. Another friend of van der Sloot's, previously detained for questioning by the prosecution, Steve Gregory Croes, is now rumoured to be the one who helped van der Sloot.

Hi Spock,  Yesterday morning here that 6:30am phone call made to the VDS home was discussed, having been made by S Croes.

I also remember him calling the Sloots home at 6:30 but had originally read he was across the island and calling from Max Arands {sp} house which is close to Joran's school.  I have searched in vain for a link to this 6:30am call and can find nothing, even though I know I read it.

What have you read about a call like this, and do you think S Croes calling at that time and within hours of her being last seen backs up the thought he could have been the accomplice?

6:30 am - email to Steve Croes from Joran's computer.

6:30 E-mail or Text meassage to Steve Croes by Joran or Deepak 6:30 am Records show call from one of the 3 boys cellphones in Santa Lucia area in Aruba.  (confirmed by Aruba Today) Monday morning to another cell located in the cell site of Santa Lucia. This is north of Santa Cruz and that cellsite covers the middle northern part of the island. (this is also listed in the newsarticles that Julie Renfro reported as confirmed


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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 06:40:33 PM »

Ono's post on the last thread was very informative on the boat situation.  Maybe one of Joran's friends worked security at the Marina.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 06:40:57 PM »

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Whether or not Joran is ever convicted of anything, we now have it from his own mouth that he is guilty. He is forever a disgraced man, a pariah. There is some justice in that.

Shortly I'll be driving down that road you've all seen hundreds of times in the video of Natalee talking in the back of the car. This time it will feel different.


He certainly is a pariah Yellow ribbon. Personally I'd rather leave it just the way it is than see Hans Mos pull another FUBAR on Aruba and have those corrupt Dutch judges down there clear him again.

As it stands he has convicted himself. It will be spread all over the world tonite by ABC News.

GUILTY!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 06:44:26 PM »

Monday, 4 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 37: Joran's lawyer offers a talk between him and the prosecutors, Makes weak excuses, Joran is addicted to gambling, in debt
 
Joran's Dutch Lawyer is making excuses for Joran now. He's apparently a pathological liar and needed money for his gambling addiction, and this is why he told the 'lies' about Natalee's disappearance. De Vries has 'twisted' the evidence in his advantage.

Hans Mos and a Law psychologist have just joined the discussion and are not buying it. There argument is that the other evidence fits the story, and the main part that's interesting is the 'missing' part of the story between Ntalee dying and "Daury" showing up to dispose of the body.

Hans Mos has just claimed that the 'Daury' that appeared in the papers yesterday is a different one. The last names, beeped in the show, are different. Hans Mos has already contacted the 'real' Daury. He's hoping that Joran will help them with what actually happened this time.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-37-jorans.html


Joran's Dutch Lawyer is making excuses for Joran now. He's apparently a pathological liar and needed money for his gambling addiction, and this is why he told the 'lies' about Natalee's disappearance.


Question for lawyer: How does lying about what he did to Natalee Holloway get him more money to gamble with?

This prick is as lame a Joe Tacopina.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2008, 06:44:27 PM »

I love how you started the thread, Klaas! That really is a beautiful tribute!
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2008, 06:44:34 PM »

jorans says "it was stupid, stupid, stupid"


huh???????????

no no no... joran if you were just "PLAYING" with the guy it wasnt stupid
you should be rejoicing that you tricked him


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joran, you did not TRICK ANYONE

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2008, 06:45:46 PM »

OK, I admit it - I read all afternoon at work.   

When I read the part where the people of Holland are so pissed they are stopping taxi drivers to make sure our Sporter isn't trying to escape I wanted to jump out of my chair and do a dance.   

This is exactly what I was hoping for.... and it hasn't even really hit the US yet... you wait.... oooh it will get ugly.  Even Joe Taco won't be able to spin it.  Greta will be inclined to take her words back - the panel will be "axing" all kinds of questions of Joran.  lmao

Joran you are a walking target.  I love it.  About time.  Now time to turn up the heat on Paulus.
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OK, I admit it - I read all afternoon at work.   

When I read the part where the people of Holland are so pissed they are stopping taxi drivers to make sure our Sporter isn't trying to escape I wanted to jump out of my chair and do a dance.   

This is exactly what I was hoping for.... and it hasn't even really hit the US yet... you wait.... oooh it will get ugly.  Even Joe Taco won't be able to spin it.  Greta will be inclined to take her words back - the panel will be "axing" all kinds of questions of Joran.  lmao

Joran you are a walking target.  I love it.  About time.  Now time to turn up the heat on Paulus.

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2008, 06:47:01 PM »

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Whether or not Joran is ever convicted of anything, we now have it from his own mouth that he is guilty. He is forever a disgraced man, a pariah. There is some justice in that.

Shortly I'll be driving down that road you've all seen hundreds of times in the video of Natalee talking in the back of the car. This time it will feel different.


He certainly is a pariah Yellow ribbon. Personally I'd rather leave it just the way it is than see Hans Mos pull another FUBAR on Aruba and have those corrupt Dutch judges down there clear him again.

As it stands he has convicted himself. It will be spread all over the world tonite by ABC News.

GUILTY!!!!


I agree!  I know many call for this guy's head.  But, he'll never be able to live the way he's been living for the past few years.  He's the Dutch O.J.!  He'll be a joke and a novelty from this point forward.  And, trust me when I say this...he'll pay the piper much sooner then later...
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2008, 06:47:29 PM »

Posted at RU - this is a chat Joran just had with the publisher of his book.  Joran just can't stop talking:

This from an interview online:

Terwijl heel Nederland de huiveringwekkende bekentenis over Natalee Holloway op tv volgt, zit Joran van der Sloot te msn-en (alias: Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master altijd 1 stap voor). Hij heeft geen idee over de verontwaardiging die hij heeft losgemaakt. Hij chat met een DAG-journaliste die een boek met hem schreef.
While Holland is watching his horrible confession about Natalee Holloway on the television, Joran is chatting using msn messenger (his alias: Joran Forc@ Barc@ Chess master, always 1 step ahead!). He has no clue about the indignation he caused. He chats with an DAG-reporter who co-wrote his book.

Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master, altijd 1 stap voor: Hoi, hoe gaat 'ie
Hi, how are you?
Z: Wat is nou de waarheid?
What is the truth?
J: Ha ha, je weet het zelf niet meer. Kom op Zvezdana. Ik heb toch ook tegen de recherche geluld. Dit wordt ook gewoon een lulverhaal want het klopt niet, maar dat maakt het in mijn ogen misschien nog erger.

Hahah, you dont remember anymore. Come on Zvezdana. I have also lied to the police. This is just a piece of shit (or: a story he made up), because it isnt correct, but maybe what I`m concerned, this makes it only worse.
Z: Zit je nou in Friesland?
Are you in Friesland (=one of the northern states of Holland_J: Ik ben ergens waar niemand het weet en misschien moet ik Nederland wel verlaten.
I am somewhere no one knows and I might have to leave Holland.

Z: Wegens dreigementen?

Because of threats?
J: Denk niet meer dat ik hier naar school kan.
I dont think I`ll be able to go to school here anymore.
Z: Euh... nee.
Uh..No.
J: Nee, maar een hoop mensen zijn boos.
No, but a lot of people are mad.
Z: Dat snap ik wel. Je hebt heel duidelijk en kil verteld dat je een meisje dood hebt laten gaan en in zee hebt gepleurd. Wat zeiden je ouders?
I can understand. You told really clear and cold how you let a girl die and tossed her body in the ocean. What did your parents say?
J: Zij weten ook wel dat het een lulverhaal is. Vanaf hoe ik m'n litteken heb gekregen tot aan alles. Ik was behoorlijk stoned. Ik ben 8 maanden met hem omgegaan hè, dus je hoort nu alleen wat zij willen.

They know its a piece of shit. From how I got my scar to everything. I was pretty stoned. I hang around with for 8 month, so now you only hear what they want you to hear.

Z: Besef je hoe erg het is? Denkt je advocaat dat je weer wordt opgepakt?

Do you understand how bad it is? Does your attorney think they`ll arrest you once again?

J: Nee, hij denkt van niet, maar je weet het nooit, en ja, ik weet hoe erg het is. Ja, sorry voel me ook niet zo goed.

No, he thinks not, but you`ll never know and yes, I know how bad it is. Yes. I don’t feel well either.
Z: Waar voel je je niet goed over? Dat de hele wereld dit ziet en nooit meer gelooft wat je over Natalee zegt?

Where do you feel bad about? The whole world watching this and not believing anything you say about Natalee anymore?

J: Allebei.

Both.

Z: Heb je gehuild toen je het zag?

Did you cry when you were watching the broadcast?

J: Nee, ik huil niet. Ik heb het samen met Leon (advocaat, red.) bekeken. Kijk, ik wist wat ging komen. Was precies hoe ik dacht. Jammer dat ze alles weg hebben geknipt wat Patrick zei.

No, I never cry. I watched it together with Leon (lawyer). Look, I knew what was coming. It was exactly what I thought it would be. Too bad they cut out everything Patrick said.
Z: Maar wat vonden je ouders ervan?

What did your parents think?

J: Ja, ik had ze al alles verteld. Ze hebben meegeluisterd via de telefoon.

Yes, I told them already everything. They listened to the broadcast by phone.

Ik heb er niet voor gekozen om dit met de buitenwereld te delen. Ik dacht: gewoon een gesprek tussen mij en m'n dealer. Ik vertel hem wel wat hij wil horen.

It wasnt my choice to share this with the world. I thought: just a conversation between me and my dealer. I`ll just tell him what he wants to hear.

Z: Wiet? Gaf hij je ook coke?

Weed? Did he give you coke also?

J: Nee mij niet maar hij snuift zelf zo veel dat zijn neus bloedt.

No, not to me, but he sniffs (as in: uses cocaine) so much his nose bleeds all the time.

Z: En hebben jullie samen meisjes gedaan op hotelkamer?

Did you do some girls together in a hotelroom?

J: Ja allemaal. Erg he.

Yes, everything. Bad huh?

Z: Hoe kan jij nog aantonen dat meer van wat er is uitgezonden gelul is?

How can you prove that the footage is bullshit?


J: Ja, niks ervan gaat kloppen, dus dan moet het wel gelul zijn toch. Het OM gaat dit zeker onderzoeken maar als ze niks vinden? Dan kan het toch niet waar zijn?

Yes, nothing is going to add up, so it must be bullshit right? The OM is definetly going to investigate this, but if they don’t find anything? Then it cant be true, right?

Z: Je sprak over een medeplichtige half-Arubaan, half-Nederlands, woont hier, ietsje ouder. Ik dacht...

You talked about a accomplice. Half aruban, half dutch. Livs here, a but older. I thought…

J: Haha, je bent te erg Zvezdana. Denk je echt dat iemand dat 3 jaar lang voor zichzelf houdt?

Hahaha, youre too bad Zvezdana. Do you really think someone will keep this a secret for 3 years?

Kan toch niet, welke reden zou die daar voor hebben?

J: Cant be, what reason would that person have?


Z: Ik snap gewoon niet goed waarom je nu voor het eerst een heel gedetailleerd verhaal bij elkaar ‘liegt’ en zegt dat je er wel iets mee te maken hebt. Wat heb je daar zelf nou aan?

I dont understand why you at this moment, for the first time, will make up a pretty detailed story and say you did have something to do with it. Whats in it for you?

J:Hij beloofde me veel geld. Hij deed zich voor als een echte gangster

He promised me a lot of money. He pretended to be a real gangster.


Thanks Klaas.

Who obtained this transcript?  Who released it?

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2008, 06:47:48 PM »

oran van der Sloot
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 .... On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there. I at that moment was more worried about the shoes that I had left behind because I was unaware that Natalee had gone missing. At approximately 19.45 pm I arrived at the Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino.



Robert Ainsworth is the Green River Killer and he also always went back to where he had killed and left his victim dead.

Joran did the same thing.


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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2008, 06:50:33 PM »

Janet - MF posted it at RU without a reference link (big surprise).  I suspect it's in one of the Dutch papers but can't be certain which.
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2008, 06:52:37 PM »

Well, if Aruba dosn't get justice for Natalee, he's a dead man walking. He is now and for ever Hated by ALL> Someone will take care of him.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2008, 06:53:17 PM »

Hans Mos, you need to  find all the bones  that have  washed up on Aruba and retest them.  While you are  at  it, look and see who was  covering up all the evidence.  There are pieces  of  Natalee's top that washed  up-that fits into his admission.   Get Joran, Paulus  and everyone that covered up for them.   How does a   judge not  find enough evidence to hold a  criminal when he  has obstucted  justice.  That is a  big clue the guy is guilty.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2008, 06:55:10 PM »

ABC News here in Birmingham has just said that the tape will be submissable (sp) in court.
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