Natalee Case Discussion #722 2/4 - 2/5/08am

[ldstlou]

Posted by Lazlo at RU.  Lazlo wants to know why Joran felt the need to hide Natalee in the bushes if he committed no crime:

J: I talked with him, and I told him something has happened, something bad.
P: Where did you talk with him?
J: I talked with him with the payphone there.
P: From where?
J: From the Marriott Hotel.
P: And where are those? Ah you mean those in the lobby?
J: No they are outside at the pool, I come there all the time.
P: And then you had just left her lying there?
J: No listen, then I have.... her, you have there these "dwergen" things... how do you call those..
P: Huts? Boats?
J: Yes but you have there these plants.
P:These Mangrove kind of things things?
J: Yes, that is what I mean, these Mangrove things, so I just got her and put her a little at these Mangrove things.
And I said to him I am here, you have to come here.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRhvg_tWtY

Hey Klaas, I can't picture in my mind the Marriot area. Is it the one that was closed for constrution? Do you have pics and/or maps?

[Dayhiker]

Posted by Lazlo at RU.  Lazlo wants to know why Joran felt the need to hide Natalee in the bushes if he committed no crime:

J: I talked with him, and I told him something has happened, something bad.
P: Where did you talk with him?
J: I talked with him with the payphone there.
P: From where?
J: From the Marriott Hotel.
P: And where are those? Ah you mean those in the lobby?
J: No they are outside at the pool, I come there all the time.
P: And then you had just left her lying there?
J: No listen, then I have.... her, you have there these "dwergen" things... how do you call those..
P: Huts? Boats?
J: Yes but you have there these plants.
P:These Mangrove kind of things things?
J: Yes, that is what I mean, these Mangrove things, so I just got her and put her a little at these Mangrove things.
And I said to him I am here, you have to come here.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRhvg_tWtY

Gotta love Lazlo. Thanks for posting that, Klaas.

[Lala'sMom]

Nancy Grace is tearing Joran a new one...OMG!  She is doing a great job. LOL

[Rob]

Hi DayHiker. Good to see you.

 

Good to see you friend! Just flipped the tube over to CNN in anticipation of Nancy Grace having a field day with the latest.

It's going to get a lot more interesting shortly - from what I hear. He He He.

I jokingly told Deetch to write a post in his eloquent style - titled "Joran seeks asylum in the Gaza Strip"... LOL

Anyway...

Well hello old friend!

HI GS

Nancy's show has only been on for 11 minutes and Aruban Tourism has already dropped 7 more points.

[yapperz1]

Hiya anidac. Long time no see.

Here is a link for translated version of the Peter deVries tapes:

http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/

[ala_gunslinger]

Just getting in from work and have had very little time to keep up with the fast moving threads since before this new topic started. 

Is there a link to the entire 2 hour show or next best thing some where?  What is the best source to view this with English sub-titles or is there no site providing it yet?

BTW - Good evening old and new friends.

its going to be on 20/20 tonight!!

Thanks Blah!  I didn't want to repeat my question and interupt the fast pass of discussion.  I am going to set up the laptop in the livingroom so I can work, watch the thread, and tune into shows at the same time.  Boy does this bring back memories of many a sleepless night working the topics of the day with the cage.

Be right back on a faster computer and more comfortable chair.

Day-um!!  If it ain't old timers reunion night!!! 

Hello old friend! 

[Dayhiker]

Nancy Grace is tearing Joran a new one...OMG!  She is doing a great job. LOL

 

[ala_gunslinger]

Posted by Lazlo at RU.  Lazlo wants to know why Joran felt the need to hide Natalee in the bushes if he committed no crime:

J: I talked with him, and I told him something has happened, something bad.
P: Where did you talk with him?
J: I talked with him with the payphone there.
P: From where?
J: From the Marriott Hotel.
P: And where are those? Ah you mean those in the lobby?
J: No they are outside at the pool, I come there all the time.
P: And then you had just left her lying there?
J: No listen, then I have.... her, you have there these "dwergen" things... how do you call those..
P: Huts? Boats?
J: Yes but you have there these plants.
P:These Mangrove kind of things things?
J: Yes, that is what I mean, these Mangrove things, so I just got her and put her a little at these Mangrove things.
And I said to him I am here, you have to come here.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRhvg_tWtY

Gotta love Lazlo. Thanks for posting that, Klaas.

Reminds me of the drawing that dude from Canada did...

[ldstlou]

Holy crap!!! Just checked out Rob's site to see who the Drury guy is...or what ever his name is. Would not want to get that guy po'd at me...looks like he can kick some butt!!!

[BUCKSHOT]

Monday, 4 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 37: Joran's lawyer offers a talk between him and the prosecutors, Makes weak excuses, Joran is addicted to gambling, in debt
 
Joran's Dutch Lawyer is making excuses for Joran now. He's apparently a pathological liar and needed money for his gambling addiction, and this is why he told the 'lies' about Natalee's disappearance. De Vries has 'twisted' the evidence in his advantage.

Hans Mos and a Law psychologist have just joined the discussion and are not buying it. There argument is that the other evidence fits the story, and the main part that's interesting is the 'missing' part of the story between Ntalee dying and "Daury" showing up to dispose of the body.

Hans Mos has just claimed that the 'Daury' that appeared in the papers yesterday is a different one. The last names, beeped in the show, are different. Hans Mos has already contacted the 'real' Daury. He's hoping that Joran will help them with what actually happened this time.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/2008/02/natalee-holloway-update-37-jorans.html

Klaas,

A real "Daury" exists and they have spoken with his person?? Interesting....

Most have though "Daury" was a coded name for someone else.

Wonder if this is a ploy to further trick Joran into talking some more?

If they have spoken to "Daury" and this person corroborated the confessions / admissions on the tape, my money says Joran is in big trouble. "Daury," otherwise unknown to the world, at least by me as I have not heard the name before, is probably not to happy about having his name thrown out there by a stoned Joran, implicating him into a crime of disposing a corpse.  In turn, this may lead to that person telling all to ALE in exchange for a lessor penalty.

But, who knows, just when you have it somewhat figured out, you realize you are still missing a few pieces...

We shall see - the plot is really starting to thicken. Cards are starting to fall... Joran definitely wishes he was not the movie star that he became on PeterDeVries' show.  I bet he wishes that he could take it all back. He has really screwed himself and those who have protected him for so long. He has insulted them and I think ties will be cut as a result, protection will be lost.  They will think, "If this kid is that stupid, well, he deserves what he gets."

Too bad for Aruba, though, they have already shit in their beds, blackened their eyes, by choosing to protect their own instead of seeking justice. Both Joran and Aruba have bit the hand that has, for so long, fed them.

[ldstlou]

how many more lives is joran going to affect? what an a-hole. If this guy had nothing to do with it, I hope he kicks is arse!!!

[blah]

some dude on Nancy Grace just said that Joran could be tried in Aruba OR the Netherlands!!

(y'all are lucky cuz I never watch NG, cant stand her) 

[ala_gunslinger]

Nancy Grace is tearing Joran a new one...OMG!  She is doing a great job. LOL

Is she calling him everything but a white boy?   

[Nut44x4]

yes they also havent seen it yet if im right it is also tonight on tv there they are going to look at it at the same time you will on abc

Thank you.  The people of Aruba have been very silent about this - the only anger I have seen is at Beth and the family.  I think when they see/hear Joran firsthand they will go with their heart and at long last respond with a vengeance.

Nancy Grace on now.  They will be tuned in to that I am sure.   

Peter's show was broadcast in Aruba as it aired. If they don't 'get it' now, they never will.

[Lala'sMom]

Nancy Grace is tearing Joran a new one...OMG!  She is doing a great job. LOL

Is she calling him everything but a white boy?   

Pretty much.

[CapsLockWizard]

In this latest version, has urine Joran said how he got "home" from the beach?

I think some of the stuff that Joran said in the tapes is probably factual, but I also think a lot of other stuff he said is made-up stuff.

I'm still not sure as to which "beach" they disposed of Natalee's body. Even in this last version, Joran mentions about her wanting to see the sharks, and I'm wondering why that tidbit keeps popping up. Maybe that's the "beach" that was actually used.

In any case, guess soon we'll hear of Greta van susteren again saying: "I'm inclined to believe him (Joran)" but she never says which lies of his she believes. Maybe Greta believes everything Joran has said. . . .

Back to the main question that I had: Did Joran say how he got "home" from the "beach" in this version?

Thanks.

I think he HOPPED home.

He is too embrassed to tell anyone he is a toad.

It all a lie again, do not fall for this stories.
I post couple a week ago that the these kid have a game going on call " I did not lie, It's you that believed me"

meaning what you believe is a lie

the time is a problem for them.....What ever stories they create, you have to start from 1:00 am.

till 4:00 am where is father pick him up at The Mc Donald at food.


that leave 2:30 hour to work with.

party a bit more, have sex, go to the beach, swim, walk to a telephone boot, call an invisible friend to help, now the friend needs to sail out, dump, come back, and leave still time to go back to the casino.

About the shoe, The only way you loose your sneaker in when you step in muddy soft surface where when you feet sinks, the mud will create a suction around your sneaker and when you lift you feed the sneaker is left behind.

In salt water and soft white sand it does not happend: This is from experience.

this is telling me that they never went to the beach...it mist be a pond where there is mud.

[Blue Moon]

What does "Morta" mean in the picture?

[SunnyinTX]

Jug was just on local TV.  (I must say I have never seen him look better.)
He said that Joran's confession is just part of the story. Get Joran back
to Aruba and make him tell the truth.  He said there are a lot of people
on Aruba who know the true story, get them to talk and confront Joran
with it.  Some of them are ready to talk.  They would just like a little piece
of Natalee to bring home.  Then they had Hodges, but I didn't listen to what
he said.
They said that Beth is back in Birmingham.

Jug will be on my show Tuesday night

thanks Magnolia and DANA!!!

[Rob]

Holy crap!!! Just checked out Rob's site to see who the Drury guy is...or what ever his name is. Would not want to get that guy po'd at me...looks like he can kick some butt!!!

Hi Leesa,

Actually Grande found that guy, and knowing Grande I felt confidant posting that info. If it would have been anyone else, I would not have posted it. I trust Grande has it correct.

I think he was born in 1986.

anyway, nice to see you - like always.

[yapperz1]

Hiya GS

Let's put it this way..Nancy is giving goon child a verbal beating. He shouldn't be able to get his head out from under the covers for a month or so