Natalee Case Discussion #725 2/6 - 2/7/08

[klaasend]

Klaas,

Any translation!!

Give me a minute and I'll run through the translator

[Anna]

Lots of the transcripts posted on Greta's page of the Fox website are incomplete.  I think they are listed as partial or excerpts only.  They have always done that for some reason.  I think you can purchase some of the older ones that are now not posted anywhere as well but have wondered if even those have been edited and shortened.

Since Jug was usually the last to speak, lots of his are gone now so I am not surprised that it is this time as well.  Annoying.  Also makes me wonder if Joe T told her to take that down and she did!

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Good Morning Anna

As my cable package does not include the Fox Channel ... I have always relied on Greta's transcripts of her shows in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.

I am not aware of a show where Greta has excluded any guests on her panel in her transcripts until February 4th and 6th show.

Editing is one thing but ... outright exclusion of guest interviews!!!

Janet

Janet,

I recall discussing with Granny Toad an article in the beginning or rather a transcript that was in Two Parts.  Then later there was only One Part.  A whoe half of it was gone and it was one of the more crucial ones at that. 

In September, 2005, we found several already missing.  And sometimes there is hardly any transcript posted at all in other cases besides Natalee Holloway. 

We were working of several things then and were shocked to find things were vanishing.  I doubt that Greta personally is in charge of her transcripts but somebody does edit them at times for sure.

But ITA that it is very odd Jug is totally missing but am not really surprised.  Also would think you have things in your own archives that you would find are not there any more as well.  There is some time limit on some things, it seems.  Others never make it and get poofed.

Usually it doesn't happen nearly this fast, however.  Maybe Joe T is trying to protect his client's other defense team, the Aruban Law Enforcement from what Jug had to say.     Maybe Joe T is in good with Greta's transcriptionist to see that only his interviews get posted as well.  I agree, it's sort of shocking that it would not be included right from the get go and have to wonder wassup with that!

BTW, will you do a search of your own archives and saved things to see if you can turn up previous statements by Jug and or Dave or Beth stating that they were asked about seizures very early?  I remember one of them discussing this very early but can't recall who or where.  You or PITA or vms or one of those with such good records might could find that.  Just if and when you have time, nothing urgent but I know it's back there somewhere as heard it and knew this was nothing new.

[klaasend]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/

Front page of De Telegraaf:



 

Through the google translator:

Disappearance Natalee 'police cover-up'

The stepfather of Natalee Holloway says that the Aruban police already a few days after the verdwijining knew exactly how the case put together, but that there was a "cover up".
   
Stiefvader Jug Twitty said that after he's ties Peter R. De Vries had seen on American television. In a reaction against Twitty said that he FoxNews two weeks after the disappearance of Nathalee all 'foreign,' got the Aruban detectives.

'As if she was epileptisch allergies. " "I was very angry, and said, go find Natalee and set not the silly questions.

But now I think they have when all conscience what happened. " He speaks of a 'cover'.

Twitty says, without any further substantiation presupposes that earlier that evening probably something in a drink after Nathalee is thrown. The girl would be in a response on the beach are deceased.

[Lifesong]

Lala's Mom,

I lurked for years before I signed on.  Well, actually I was an intial monkey but got lost in the crash.  Anyway, I don't think Shango / Simian is all bunk.  The corruption was quickly evident and really the only way to convey some things had to be done cryptically.

I don't roll my eyes when you post.  You are providing an invaluable service to this overall mystery, as are countless others.  I look forward to reading your posts and even though you sometimes think your ink in invisible, I assure you it is not.
 

I am humbled by your kindness. Thank you for noticing.

Lala's,

Just had to add a "me too" to Miss Scarlett's sentiments. 

I was a FP poster during those first days, as well as an early monkey lost in the crash.  I've still been here and seem to find while reading the threads that my viewpoints and opinions are already well represented, so I don't post much.

Anyway, I'm grateful to you for keeping all those early clues in the mix.  No eye-rolling here either.   

[Miss Scarlet]

Buckeye...Good morning.....Is that painting by van der Straten the one jackb referred to a couple of weeks back? IIRC he said he saw 'something' in it.   TIA


Pair of Dice....someone asked.....sorry I just found it

SANDERS, Ed & Janet – owners of the PAIR-A-DICE travel boat

Miss Scarlet.......I found this over in the Important Docs, thread....

Thank you.  Don't know my way around real good yet.  Ed & Janet Sanders.  Am I correct to assume they are Koen's parents?

[JodyO]

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Frank,

You made me spit coffee all over my screen when you posted Schippers' remarks. Had to clean up the mess before I could continue reading.

Rob or Anybody,

Can someone tell me who Menses is? I don't remember that name at all. Rings no bells.

Thanks. Back to reading what I missed last nite and earlier today...

Hi JodyO - we do not know very much about him and everything seems to indicate he was interviewed 7-8 times. Some believe he could be a young kid around 17 at the time and from Costa Rica and involved in flight simulators. Valentijn VDS seems to have an interest in that also.

Others think he could be a pilot. I'm not sure who he is.

Also, when Joran says that he is exonerated because he gets home with-in a 1/2 hour, so he couldn't have committed the crime. He seems to say it is impossible. Everyone knows that. It would make it even harder for the Kalpoes based on his own words.

Thanks, Rob. I don't feel so bad about having no idea who Menses is if nobody else does either. At least you guys recognize the name which meant nothing to me. So many names, so little time, especially if you're old and as bad with names as I am...

[martini]

Hans Mos is with his family in Holland, on a pre-planned holiday. The Press Prosecutor also confirmed that Van der Sloot has offered to meet with investigators in Holland, and that he will do so sometime in the future. She will not say when.

resource: Gretawire

[littletxlady]

Joran said in his "confession" that he bought Natalee a shot of 151 and she slammed it down. Does anyone know how long before they left C&C' s that happened? I am speculating that was the drink w/the date rape drug was in. Any thoughts on this anyone?

[Frank]

Insane!!!!

What is it with these Dutch "vacations" it is so corrupt. NO frickin way this is a coincidence.

It's Janssen all over again.

[BUCKSHOT]

DeVries slams Tacopina on Good Morning America, LOL!

"Maybe he is the same like his client and made some things up."


Van der Sloot's attorney, Joe Tacopina, says there's evidence to suggest the pay phone call never happened. Tacopina says the Aruban Coast Guard checked the pay phone that Joran talked about on the tape and found no such call, which would apparently give credence to van der Sloot's claim that the story he told on the tape was a lie.

"The Aruban Coast Guard has already looked at that pay phone. There is no such call," said Tacopina.

But De Vries said Aruban investigators have told him it was not possible to for them to determine if the call was placed.

"I don't know how [Tacopina] knows this, because I had a telephone call a couple of months ago … saying it's impossible to say," De Vries said. "Maybe he is the same like his client and made some things up."

maybe the pay phone call never did happen, AND IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT BECAUSE JORAN COULD HAVE (A) USED A FRIEND'S PHONE OR (B) COULD HAVE JUST ASKED HIS DAURY IN PERSON, WHILE AT HIS HOUSE.

[klaasend]

Joran said in his "confession" that he bought Natalee a shot of 151 and she slammed it down. Does anyone know how long before they left C&C' s that happened? I am speculating that was the drink w/the date rape drug was in. Any thoughts on this anyone?

It was right at closing time so they must have left fairly soon after.

[klaasend]

Insane!!!!

What is it with these Dutch "vacations" it is so corrupt. NO frickin way this is a coincidence.

It's Janssen all over again.

Joran wouldn't need to give his statement to MOS.  One thing that is different about this vacation is at least MOS is going to where Joran is, instead of where he isn't.

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/

Front page of De Telegraaf:



 

Jug is my hero.  He is not politically correct ... he says it how he sees it and ... he sees a corrupt Aruban investigation that had an agenda from the getgo ... an agenda to distance Paulus and Joran from implication and ... deny his precious stepdaughter justice.

I wish the readers of De Telegraaf could access Greta's website and ... read Jug's words for themselves.  However ... considering that Jug interview was left out of transcript ... that is not possible.

Janet

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html
Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008

[Magnolia]

Nut, you're welcome. I have most of the points of interest plugged in, so it only takes me a second to get the info you want.

Mum, it seems to me that Menses being interviewed 7-8 times, there must be a real reason. I can only come up with two.
1. He saw something or knows something and the ALE wants to make sure that info does not come out.
2. He saw something or knows something and the ALE wants to get his head "right" and are afraid he may go to higher powers.

He don't see any connection to Joran and Menses. Maybe I missed it. I also wonder if this is the alleged boat guy.

I remember back in mid 2005 in the codetalkers thread, it was discovered
that there was an Aruba Junior Flyers Club....not exact name, but something similiar.
Something like Junior Civil Air Partrol.  All of the boys were members.
The Gottenbos, Vander Sloots, etc. etc  I think that may be where Menses
comes in.  That was discovered at the same time as the Lions Club was being
looked into.

[Puzzler]

I am sure we could go around the mulberry bush on this pic's interpretation as only Jan would know his intentions.

The hands are different colors, which indicates two different nationalities, to me.
The nails of the hands are different, which indicates male and female, to me.

The eyeballs I was referring to are below the surface, not the big EYEBALL(S).

BUCKSHOT,

I see the three smaller sets of eyeballs, (in a non captioned one).  Could it be the four large eyeballs were really a cryptic way of saying pair of dice?  Who did that boat belong to again?

My take on the painting:  Blond-haired, blue-eyed Dutch vs. Others in Aruba and the mysterious eyes are the eyes of the world looking at them.

[Frank]

klaas, Rob,

How about taking the video of Joran smoking week and replace his head with the head of Mos?

That would be sortof funny.

[klaasend]

Janet - read my google translation of that DeTelegraaf article above.  It pretty much mirrors what Jug said on Greta 

[AZLady]

Joran said in his "confession" that he bought Natalee a shot of 151 and she slammed it down. Does anyone know how long before they left C&C' s that happened? I am speculating that was the drink w/the date rape drug was in. Any thoughts on this anyone?

Joran arrived at C & C's at 12:30 AM.  Natalee was dancing.  Then they did the jelly shot thing.  Then, they walked to a different bar area and he bought her the 151 shot.  The bar closed at 1 AM.  I have to assume the shot was consumed about 12:45 to 12:50 AM.  GHB takes only 15 to 20 minutes to take effect.  Shortly after 1 AM (about 1:15 AM) another student saw Natalee being helped out of the bar by Deepak.  She was most likely incapacitated by then.

[Puzzler]

Lala's Mom,

I lurked for years before I signed on.  Well, actually I was an intial monkey but got lost in the crash.  Anyway, I don't think Shango / Simian is all bunk.  The corruption was quickly evident and really the only way to convey some things had to be done cryptically.

I don't roll my eyes when you post.  You are providing an invaluable service to this overall mystery, as are countless others.  I look forward to reading your posts and even though you sometimes think your ink in invisible, I assure you it is not.
 

I am humbled by your kindness. Thank you for noticing.

Lala's,

Just had to add a "me too" to Miss Scarlett's sentiments. 

I was a FP poster during those first days, as well as an early monkey lost in the crash.  I've still been here and seem to find while reading the threads that my viewpoints and opinions are already well represented, so I don't post much.

Anyway, I'm grateful to you for keeping all those early clues in the mix.  No eye-rolling here either.   

Lala's....add me three...

[Destiny]

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