Natalee Case Discussion #725 2/6 - 2/7/08

[Observer]

Since I don't know...

What is the significance of one's hand in their pocket??

A warning maybe for everyone to see? He isn't the only one who was shown in the paper with one hand in his pocket.
**Warning Graphic photo**
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/hanging5_9.jpg

[Lala'sMom]

Since I don't know...

What is the significance of one's hand in their pocket??

I am guessing it's a sign or warning to others from someone.

[klaasend]

Janet - I agree

[Peaches]

I think the T-shirt is a good idea, I don't particularly like the black background.

CBB...wow...you work fast...very creative...but, it reminds me of Halloween...the colors combined with the hands...you wanted my honest opinion...

Hugs Sweetie...Dest

CBB--I think the hands look kind of creepy...sorry!  I think we want more loving hands, or even hands in prayer. 

Yessss..they do look creepy...also, perhaps soft rainbow colors>????

I want some pink.  You know, girly colors.  Right now, it's a little too Halloween for me.  And I agree about the softer hands.  I'll have to look again.  It's pretty busy.  I want to see Natalee but maybe closer to the hands?  Sans rainbow (that's the busy part for me).  But I love the idea.  I think black t-shirts rock.  Black background, some nice fuschia fading into a softer lighter shade.....

[martini]

http://www.youtube.com/v/7hDVgTd30vA&rel=1

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Note:  I haven't figured out how to imbed youtube in the forum yet so the link will have to do (klaasend)

[Lala'sMom]

My take on "Daury1" or "Daury2":

The day BEFORE De Vries' show -- Joran panicked and told his "biographer" that she should contact "Daury1" and warn him his name was about to be aired. This tells me that Joran clearly was referring to this same  "Daury1" that has appeared on TV.  If there was ANOTHER "Daury" -- Joran would have had the biographer warn THAT one! (make sense??)

That said, I don't think there is ANY "Daury" involved in reality. "Daury" was a made-up scenario along with everything else.  The only completely true thing Joran admitted to was being connected to Natalee's death directly.

I'm with you Wreck.   

[Peaches]

Wasn't this girl named Brigette something?  I think she was part of TeleAruba.  I may not have that right, I am also thinking she was not just the reporter but a producer or something. 

Lala's...LOL Its in the Shango thread...YES YES AND YES...

I was taking a look at the photos of her suicide. I am thinking she was working on stories about something Brough was involved in and I also am thinking she was close enough to find out things they may not want her to know.  I am thinking her office was in the same location as one of Brough's businesses.  Wonder if she saw something and put two and two together and was working on a story about it. 

Klaas...isn't Renzo...the DJ a friend of Brough's and Steve Croes. I just saw it this morning, I'll see if I have time to find and post it.

Yes, you're right.  I recall seeing his tickle page or whatever it was a long time ago.

[Lala'sMom]

Since I don't know...

What is the significance of one's hand in their pocket??

A warning maybe for everyone to see? He isn't the only one who was shown in the paper with one hand in his pocket.
**Warning Graphic photo**
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/hanging5_9.jpg

How do you jump off a building and manage to get your hand in your pocket before you die?

[ala_gunslinger]

Since I don't know...

What is the significance of one's hand in their pocket??

A warning maybe for everyone to see? He isn't the only one who was shown in the paper with one hand in his pocket.
**Warning Graphic photo**
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/hanging5_9.jpg

Thanks Obs.

[A's Fever]

the link to the video is provided with the article in de telegraaf.
'dutch readers are encouraged to watch it and judge for themselves' it says at the end of the article.

i so hope greta will bring this up with Peter tonight.....!!!!!!!
but Beth has brought it up with him already of course.

but i must remind that Peter very rarely speculates.
because if he gets misquoted other journalist can make him look stupid if facts turn out different.
but in earlier programs (he did at least three) about Natalee he went in great length about the PvdS en van Straaten connection and much more. even about the photo showing PvdS in the casino with Natalee.

I think Greta is making corruption her baby, Caesu, to get a firm footing in the story again since her derailment with Joran and Tacopina. Let's hope so.

The corruption angle is right up Peter's alley, hope he turns his attention to it.

I posted something like this yesterday.  Greta could really redeem herself and "own" this story again with some shrewd investigative reporting.  She could blow the coverup wide open on international tv.  She was with Beth in the beginning and probably is aware of a lot of the early discrepancies in the investigationn.  I hope she goes after it!

[Peaches]

My take on "Daury1" or "Daury2":

The day BEFORE De Vries' show -- Joran panicked and told his "biographer" that she should contact "Daury1" and warn him his name was about to be aired. This tells me that Joran clearly was referring to this same  "Daury1" that has appeared on TV.  If there was ANOTHER "Daury" -- Joran would have had the biographer warn THAT one! (make sense??)

That said, I don't think there is ANY "Daury" involved in reality. "Daury" was a made-up scenario along with everything else.  The only completely true thing Joran admitted to was being connected to Natalee's death directly.

I'm with you Wreck.   

Me. too.  I'm still thinking PVDS.

[wreck]

Since I don't know...

What is the significance of one's hand in their pocket??

Sling,
The Aruban newspapers always show grizzley murder and suicide pictures on the front page. We noticed that many of the "suicide" victims were hanging with their "hand in one pocket." -- very odd. To me, it sounds like a "mob" hit signature. I don't think it is normal to put a hand in your pocket when offing yourself.

[Lala'sMom]

http://www.youtube.com/v/7hDVgTd30vA&rel=1

please imbed if relevent


Note:  I haven't figured out how to imbed youtube in the forum yet so the link will have to do (klaasend)

If this is the guy, why is he not in jail?  Leaving him to roam free could be detrimental to Aruba's ability to continue the cover up.  He might actually start talking to someone this time. MOO

[Observer]

Since I don't know...

What is the significance of one's hand in their pocket??

A warning maybe for everyone to see? He isn't the only one who was shown in the paper with one hand in his pocket.
**Warning Graphic photo**
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/hanging5_9.jpg

How do you jump off a building and manage to get your hand in your pocket before you die?

Your right,his neck was perfectly fine and still managed one hand in his pocket after jumping from another bldg. Also Brigitte's suicide pic bothers me for many reasons.

[vms]

So which Daury is it?  The one on television or what? Do we have pics of both these guys? 

Daury Rodriguez:
http://www.hi5.com/friend/3664670--Daury--Profile-html

Daury Franciso is the first pic on Rob's blog...or so as identified on Dutch blogs the first night his name was mentioned.
His hyve page will not open for me now.
Screenshot here:
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1122641

So this Daury on Rob's blog is the Daury in Aruba?  Was he acquainted with any of our players in this case?  So there is another Daury.  What does he do for a living? Where was he that night?

JMO

The first pic on Rob's blog is Daury Francisco. I don't know anything about him other than the night the name was mentioned he had posted a derogatory comment about Joran on his hyves page.

The other three pictures on Rob's blog are Daury Rodriguez and we know he says he has proof he was not in Aruba at the time. Joran gave his number to the author of his book to contact and warn him his name was going to be mentioned on the tapes.

[ldstlou]

Katysmom? If you would rather be in the Valentine's Day Spirit, here this is. Christmas is always good though! 

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/vktm.gif

Thank you very much; I'm horrible with avatars.  Actually, I've been trying to come up with a good pic of our beloved miniature yorkie, "Sherlock" who passed away this past monday of prostate cancer.  If I find a good one, would you mind helping with that?

Klaas and I both would be happy to, Katys. 

Thanks for the comments, all! Before I go, let me sum up your suggestions........
The colors need to change to look less like "Fall or Halloween"...... I can do that, but what do you guys think about a color scheme that would work on a black or white t-shirt? I prefer a black t-shirt to wear, and hoped the guys might as well, but that might not be universal. The candle looses something on a white one, imo, but I can change the pic.
The resolution of the pics needs to be sharper. I'll have to see what I can find on the net. I can't figure a good way to say "We Stand With The Girl" without a pic of Natalee.
Fix the Date of Birth: Absolutely! I wasn't sure, so I just did the math, knowing you smart monkeys would know and correct that.

I would appreciate comments on the content. Is that OK, or can you come up with suggestions there too?

would a navy blue t-shirt help? feminine enough for the girls and masculine enough for the guys..lol...and it would show off her beautiful eyes and blonde hair.

[Ono]

VanderStraaten's drawing on yesterdays thread was very symbolic of a disposal of Natalee's body at sea to me. A hand was above water and a hand was below water. In the water were also three sets of eyes, if examined carefully.

For those who have not seen it before, maybe someone could repost it here today.

That's exactly what I thought also.  It is chilling.

[Lala'sMom]

Does anyone remember this business? SNUBA?  Is that the name of Paul Brough's legit business? 

[ala_gunslinger]

Since I don't know...

What is the significance of one's hand in their pocket??

A warning maybe for everyone to see? He isn't the only one who was shown in the paper with one hand in his pocket.
**Warning Graphic photo**
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/hanging5_9.jpg

How do you jump off a building and manage to get your hand in your pocket before you die?

With someone's help.

[Tamikosmom]

VanderStraaten's drawing on yesterdays thread was very symbolic of a disposal of Natalee's body at sea to me. A hand was above water and a hand was below water. In the water were also three sets of eyes, if examined carefully.

For those who have not seen it before, maybe someone could repost it here today.

Buckeye ... I missed it.

I would appreciate If the picture could be reposted.

Janet