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GRETA February 6, 2008 / Beth TRANSCRIPT

On The Record
February 6, 2008

Greta:

Nice to see you Beth

Beth:

Thanks Greta

Greta:

Alright Beth, let me ask you the question. Typically a social question, but I don't mean it just to be polite, so how are you?

Beth:

Well actually Greta, you know I'm taking a lot of peace and comfort in actually knowing what happened and it's just validation of the fight and it feels good Greta, it really does, it feels good.

Greta:

Take me back to when you first heard that there might be a tape of Joran caught on tape. When did you first hear about it?

Beth:

Peter de Vries had called me, oh I guess it was about umm mmmmm a little more than a week ago, so it hadn't been very long and the only thing he conveyed to me is that he had a major break in Natalee's case and asked me to come to The Netherlands and gosh I just said, what day? I didn't ask any questions, I didn't know what he had but he did say we had a lot to talk about and I just thought, ok, I mean I had no idea though what was about to unfold, absolutely not.

Greta:

So you get on a fly and you fly to Holland and then what happened?

Beth:

When I met him, we initially met at the airport and within the first 10 minutes he began to convey to me what he had and he began telling me some of the things Joran had admitted to during this taped session with Patrick and you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing, of course, the first things that I was hearing, of course the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me and there were some camera crews around and Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking and I tell you Greta, I had to ask everyone to leave the room, I wanted everyone out, I couldn't believe it, it was so stunning, it was stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because 2-1/2 years ago, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, 48 hours the lead detective Dennis Jacobs came to me in the Bubali police station and said 'does Natalee have history of epilepsy or seizures?' and I thought "No, why are you asking that" and they did it repeatedly to Jug and when I was hearing that it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

Greta:

Do you think, if the aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance and now we hear it on the tape with Joran 2-1/2 or 3 years later, whatever, do you think the aruban police heard him say that, do you think he told that to the aruban police that night when they talked to him?

Beth:

I have absolutely no doubt, the only reason that question was asked of us is because they had a confession, an admission of this from Joran van der Sloot himself, so definitely, there is no way we can tie what Joran said, you know, knowing that we can not tie what Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us by Dennis Jacobs within 48 hours, absolutely, absolutely they knew.

Greta:

It's sort of interesting watching, he's got a terribly callous disregard on that tape. A very different person than the person who sat down with me in March of '06 and a very different person than his mother described when the two of us were inside their howe in June of when she disappeared.

Beth:

Well, what was so striking to me was when I was watching Joran on the tape, it was like the first that I had seen that side of Joran since the first night I had met him on the island and over the 2-1/2 years I saw Joran, that's not the Joran that met me that night at the Holiday Inn Hotel, that wasn't the same man, and when I began watching the tape, I said 'there he is' 'there's the Joran that I met that night at the Holiday Inn' standing outside. That's the one that I knew.

Greta:

I remember when we sat in the van der Sloot home with Mrs. van der Sloot, I think maybe, correct me if I'm wrong, did we discuss with Anita and Paulus about what we had heard Joran had , that he had a bad temper or something or actually there had been some issues in the family?

Beth:

I remember during the first course of the conversation with Anita, she was conveying to us about this behaviour, this aggressiveness and that they were beginning to or they had already begun this program of seeking some assistance with his aggressive behaviour he was displaying. I mean that was definitely coming out as we were speaking with Anita, so yes.

Greta:

Have you now seen, have you seen the complete tape with the complete translation?

Beth:

Oooooo, ahhhhh I, well I think there's a total of 20 hours I'm guessing, so no, I have not seen all that, no and I might not even be correct about the number of hours that Peter de Vries was able to secure but you know, I have seen more than what was aired of course on ABC when I was in The Netherlands, they played a little different clips there, so this one was a little different.

Greta:

Alright Beth, if you'll standby, we have much more with you in just a few moments. And coming later the lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers is here and what's the story with them? Are they clearly off the hook or do they have problems?

(commercial break)

Greta:

No one who has not walked in your shoes can possibly understand what it's like to be you, you've got to walk in your shoes to understand it. In watching that videotape I'm enraged, you say you feel better, explain that to me

Beth:

Well now that I know what it's like to know the answers I would say that not knowing is the shear hell, I mean that was definitely my hell and knowing, you know even though it's painful and difficult as it is, and yeah I want to come to the tv and I want to choke him to death, absolutely I want to kill him like that, but you know Greta I have to look back and think you know, which is worse knowing, or not knowing and not knowing is the shear hell, absolutely.

Greta:

Have you had any conversations or has John Q Kelly had any conversations with the prosecutor to find out where this goes from here because there's some discussion about whether there will be a prosecution or whether he'll be arrested and even whether his statements are murder or something else

Beth:

No I hadn't yet, so I know that hopefully over the next, in the upcoming weeks something will come about Greta. I was hoping that now something can be done to move forward and you know I don't know what, I mean I think that all I can do was just hope for an answer and of course justice is out of my hands, of course I'd love to see it but I just don't know what will become of it, I don't know

Greta:

Now in the tape he says that she was shaking, something happened, that she fell unconscious and that he had later summoned someone to get rid of her. Do you think he was completely truthful or do you think he murdered her?

Beth:

Well I have to look back on it, you know Joran was 17 year old boy and in no way can make a determination whether a young woman is alive or not so I would have to go with Natalee was alive, she could very well have been in a coma and he disposed of her body alive. There's no way, there's no way we can go back and find out if she was alive or not Greta, absolutely, we can never recapture that, never.

Greta:

Do you think she was in a coma or shaking or whatever her condition was because of her own drinking or do you think she'd been slipped something?

Beth:

I think absolutely she'd been slipped something Greta, absolutely and I think any medical professional would tend to agree too, I mean Natalee had no history, there's nothing, absolutely nothing in her medical history to have something like that occur without having been given something and we have to go back and we know Joran was in charge of her drinks, we know that Joran purchased her drinks, paid for her drinks, we know that Joran served her drinks, so absolutely they had the ability to place a GHB, ecstacy, I don't even know what these drugs are that these males for these females, these perpetrators in bars for these females, but yes, I think she was drugged.

Greta:

If I was the prosecutor I'd want to find out what condition she was in when she left, if she was simply just intoxicated or whatever going into the Kalpoe car because if she's walking of her own volition that would make a difference to me because if you take a drug, even if you took it in the bar, it probably wouldn't hit you for 15, 20 minutes, I mean if she had been slipped something or slipped something when she was in the car.

Beth:

Right, I'm not exactly clear, I know that she was seen I believe, leaving the establishment with one of the suspects supporting her by the elbow, almost as if guiding her, you know I'm not, but I'm not as certain about that as I've been about some of the other details but I think that has always been a question in the back of our minds, that Natalee had been slipped some type of drug

Greta:

I'm curious what some of the people who are hostile to you in the country of Aruba will now have to say and we're going to keep our eyes on that and we're going to stay on top of this. Beth, as always,thank you. I'm glad you got this answer and I hope you get all the justice that comes with your answers. Thank you Beth.

Beth:

Oh me too, thanks Greta
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GRETA / Feb 4, 2008 / Mansur, Tacopina, Kelly TRANSCRIPT

On The Record
February 4, 2008

Jossy Mansur
Joe Tacopina
John Q Kelly

Greta:

Live on the phone is Jossy Mansur, Managing Editor of Diario Newspaper. Jossy, so what is the latest? Is he headed back to jail? Will there be an arrest warrant for Joran van der Sloot:

Jossy:

They did request the arrest warrant, it was originally denied but tomorrow they are appealing the decision because the prosecution insists they want this man arrested.

Greta:

Who is the man that Joran identifies as the person who dumped Natalee's body in the ocean?

Jossy:

What we found out today about that is that there are two persons that go by the same name and one of them is in Aruba, he had a press conference today in the office of his lawyer, we were present there, and the one who was there has vehemently denied having anything to do with Joran that night, the boat or throwing a body overboard

Greta:

How about #2, the other person?

Jossy:

Prosecutor claims to have identified him and located him so far

Greta:

Does he say #2, which is it? #1 who allegedly did the body dumping or #2 of Natalee?

Jossy:

#1 denied everything today, so #2 is the one that they're looking for

Greta:

Do you have anymore information about the second person and I guess the name is Daury, is that the name?

Jossy:

Yeah, D-a-u-r-y

Greta:

Do you know anything about this other person?

Jossy:

No, we don't know anything about either one of them. The one who is here now we know was born in Curacao, he lived there for awhile, he lived in Aruba for awhile and then moved on to Holland

Greta:

And I guess as of May of 2005 this first Daury was not in Aruba, at least that's what's being said tonight. Is that correct?

Jossy:

That's correct, not during that month that this took place

Greta:

So now the hunt is on for Daury #2. Does the prosecutor have any leads as to who he might be?

Jossy:

They know who he is, they know where he is. Whether they've contacted him so far, I don't know

Greta:

What does the prosecutor say his intentions are?

Jossy:

His intention is to continue with this case, his intentions are to arrest Joran whenever he sets foot on the island, that he can do because he has the competence to do that on his own.

Greta:

Are Joran's parents speaking out at all?

Jossy:

No, they're very quiet.

Greta:

What's the reaction in Aruba because quite frankly Jossy, at least it appeared to me that there were some, not all arubans, who were quite hostile to Beth Holloway?

Jossy:

No, no that has changed, for example the director of the largest, most listened to ratio station has said that he's going to publicly apologize to Beth for having misjudged her in the whole circumstances involved here.

Greta:

Jossy, thank you

Jossy:

You're welcome.

Greta:

The tape is out, Joran van der Sloot apparently caught on tape say he had a friend throw Natalee's body in the ocean. Last week Joran's lawyer said Joran wasn't worried, but what about today?

Here with me is Joe Tacopina, Joran van der Sloot's lawyer and I'll say one thing Joe, that who hasn't had a client who talks but anyway, you've got a mess on your hands

Joe:

You know, there are days when you question going to law school but I'll get over it and get through it. I have a mess on my hands that Joran created and he really has a mess on his hands that he created with his own mouth, to a degree with his attitude and he did some very stupid, very hurtful things and it's hard for me Greta to sit here and look you in the eye and say 'but you should believe him when he says he was lying about that' So what I'm going to do is say 'take his word out of the picture' whatever he said to you in your exclusive interview with him, whatever he said in the past because he's told so many different versions, he really isn't someone who I think you can say "let's evaluate what he says and see if it's truthful. I say look at the evidence in this case, put his words aside, whatever his version is, put it aside.

Greta:

Here's the difference, when he spoke to us for instance, he knew we were going to wrap it around the world in prime time and so he was necessarily guarded. I said I was inclined to believe him, not totally, I left a window open because I've been lied to, I've been a lawyer long enough to know I've been lied to and lied to by the best and then when he got caught on camera in the car, it was secret, he didn't know it was going to go around the world.

Joe:

It was secret but there are circumstances there that we need to put it in context. There were 20 hours of tape, I've read the transcripts of those 20 hours and it's a book, it's not the 3 minutes that people have seen.

First of all throughout all of these conversations, this individual Peter, is giving, has an undercover operative, even though he's a journalist, he's giving Joran van der Sloot marijuana

Greta:

Which is legal in Holland

Joe:

It's not legal in a car, it's legal in certain locations, so it's not legal and moreover it's certainly not a sound interrogation tactic. Imagine if the police started giving drugs to the people they started questioning "it's okay now, start telling us the story"

This person posed as a major criminal who was doing all these things, telling Joran all the bad things he'd done and yet supplying him with drugs and money and things of that nature and he decided he was going to let him know "well I'm a tough guy too, I can do these certain things" He lied about so many things regarding the cuts on his face, how he got them.

Greta:

One of the things I asked you to do is put together some of these things so we can get a fair organization. We have a graphic that we can put up and let's run right through them. Put them on the screen for the viewers.

Judge denied pre-trial detention - why is that important?

Joe:

It's important because it's a window into the value of this evidence Greta. In Aruba, in this case Joran has been arrested and detained twice on little or no evidence that would hold up in a Court of law yet he's been detained. In this instance the Judge has looked at that transcript, at that tape and looked at the evidence presented by the prosecutor, Hans Mos, that really dose refute the validity of that statement, this Daury individual. They know who this Daury is because there's phone records, recent phone records between Joran and this individual.

Daury, the one that Joran's talking about, the one he mentions by first and last name on the tape, who he knows, was not on the island in 2005

Greta:

Is that the one that Jossy just spoke about

Joe:

That gave a press conference in his lawyer's office.

Greta:

Alright, now another thing you had on the graphis is that Joran does not confess or admit guilt. Let me just say one thing that he says he's with her and he asks someone to dispose of her body and he doesn't know if she's dead or alive

Joe:

I heard these tapes and again, I think there's been some things lost in translation; he doesn't ask anyone to help him dispose of the body. What he said was that he went to a phone when he thought she died and called this individual from this payphone and I'll get to that in a second, another important piece of evidence, and called this person Daury, and Daury said "don't worry, leave her there, I'll take care of everything, just go home" and he went home and supposedly this Daury came and took him on this non-existent boat in 2005 and dumped her.

Aside from the fact there's no Daury in 2005 in Aruba, Joran didn't even know him

Greta:

What about the other Daury?

Joe:

It's not the other Daury because there's no relationship between Joran and the other Daury and Joran identified this guy by first and last name. They went to the right Daury.

Moreover, the payphone that's outside the Marriott, de Vries this journalist says he authenticated and went and checked out, is not a payphone you can make local calls on, we've spoken to the aruban Coast Guard as recently as yesterday. It's been part of the initial investigation, it was submitted to this judge in determining the validity of this tape.

This phone is an international call phone where you can only make outgoing calls and they have call logs of it and the call logs do not support any calls made that night.

Greta:

Why would Joran make these statements in this car? These are just horrible statements (inaudible) incriminating or not but we could argue with that, but what does he say, why did he do this?

Joe:

There's no good answer, no one with common sense would want to accept this and we understand that but what he says is this individual was telling all these things about himself and he was giving Joran this marijuana and he succumbed to all of these temptations; took money from him, took marijuana from him, this man took him (inaudible), took him to fancy places that Joran had never been to, he was peppering him constantly with questions.

Listen to this tape, the first time this is brought up, this conversation is brought up, the whole thing about Natalee Joran talks about how she died, she must of overdosed on the beach and she died, he says nothing about a boat. What this individual does to Joran as he's taking a puff of this marijuana cigarette, he says "and there was a boat right? And you see Joran, he ponders for almost 5 seconds already and says "yes". "who's the guy with the boat?" "I don't want to tell you that name" then he presses him and he gives up this name Daury who's someone he just met 3 months ago. The story is disprovable by the evidence, not because Joran's saying it now and he said something different then or you should believe him. It's disprovable by the evidence. I think that's what the people who are rightfully outraged should really stick to and why this judge did not detain Joran.

Greta:

I think it's significant he didn't detain him but when I met Joran, he seemed like a young kid and he was very earnest and against his parents' advice he sat down and talked to us, against his lawyer's advice and you listen to him in this tape and he's just a cocky, nasty kid and it's the same sort of description tht Beth Holloway gave to me when that first night they first night, when they rushed to that island to try to find out what happened to her daughter is that he's a nasty, cocky kid. It's almost like when the camera's turned on and he knows about it he's this good student, loves his parents and I know from talking to his mother and father they love him but I know there were some issues about whether he was an angry kid, it's like they're two very different people.

Joe:

I obviously knew him when the cameras were off, although in the setting of this case

Greta:

I don't know if he did know (inaudible) Why would he not be nice to you?

Joe:

that's when the cameras were off

Greta:

No, no, no, but he had every motive to impress you too as he did us

Joe:

Fair enough, fair enough but I think for a living I make an evaluation and I test people

Greta:

So do I, and I made a poor one

Joe:

Look, he may, his character is certainly something that we can all say is in question. His morality, without doubt, you can't talk the way he did, despite that he was under the influence of marijuana and say "ah this is a kid who's had a rough go" He has had a rough go, he's changed. The people who know him best, his parents who are two sweet people

Greta:

He hasn't had a rough go

Joe:

No, no, Greta, Greta, listen. Assuming for a second, as the evidence still points to, he is innocent. He had a rough go these last few years; he gets a death threat every day, some of them may be real, some of them may not be, so he's had a rough go. It doesn't excuse what he did, I'm not here to make an excuse for that conduct. I'm here just to say, keep your eyes on the ball, focus on the evidence and I think if you do that, look even the prosecutor said, the prosecutor in one of your screens has a statement that is really telling and what he says is you know, 'it's easy to get caught up in the hype of a tv production' This prosecutor Has Mos said this but he said "whether this sort of evidence would ever hold up in a court of law" it's right there on your screen right now, (inaudible) present a strong case on a tv news show, it may be insufficient for a finding of guilt by a judge. He keeps going back to say, there's a big difference between reality of a courtroom and reality of a tv screen

Greta:

And I agree and the prosecutor has the job of independently corroborate it and not be driven by the tone of it. We got to go, Joe thank you.

(commercial break)

YOu've seen the tape, Joran says Natalee had a seizure and arranged for a friend to toss Natalee's body of the boat even though, hang on to your seat, he wasn't sure she was dead. Joran van der Sloot callously talked about Natalee, referring to her using an obscene word. Natalee's mother has now seen the tape, she just got back from Holland. What are Natalee's parents saying today? Joining us live is John Q Kelly, the lawyer for Natalee's parents.

John, so what do the parents have to say about this?

John:

You know what? They're heartbroken. To have their daughter spoken about the way she's been spoken about worldwide in the last couple of days, what this young man says about her with callous disregard for what happened to her, it's just you know. It's like Dave just called me this morning and you ask that sort of 'how you doing' sort of question, it's just 'I didn't sleep last night' it's tumultuous for him, it's just painful for him, both of them.

Greta:

It seems like they got such a runaround, we all got the runaround, assuming that this tape is, I mean as Joe said the tape was something very different than what, and I understand that from his viewpoint as the lawyer but I remember very early on, I mean Jug said within a day or two of Natalee disappearing that the police asked him whether or not Natalee had a history of seizures and according to Jug, and Jug's going to be with us on Wednesday night, he thought that was so bizarre.

Where did the police get that seizure bit if they didn't get it from Joran when they picked him up?

John:

I can't imagine any other place, I mean this was right after they had originally interviewed Joran and both Jug and Beth recall at least four (4) investigators asking them whether Natalee had epileptic seizures in the past or any sort of seizure history at all. van der Straaten, Jacobs, Tromp and a female investigator all repeatedly asked both Jug and Beth "does Natalee have any history of this' and they didn't just make that up, they obviously got it from somewhere.

Greta:

What are the odds and if it is as we suspect, then frankly they are corrupt.

John:

Yeah, they're corrupt if that's true.

John:

I think they thought this would go away; these are the classic signs from a date rape drug GHB, the foaming at the mouth, the seizure, the cardiac arrest and someone like Joran, when you're the last person with someone alive and you don't call for help and dispose of a body, make up stories in terms of what happened to her, there's a reason you do that and you either summon help because something went wrong or you cover it up because you did something wrong, that's what happened here.

Greta:

When Beth described to me so many times what Joran was like when they first met him, cocky, nasty, horrible, when we met him butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Then you see him when he doesn't know the cameras are on and he's cocky, nasty

John:

Greta, this is a guy who threw a glass of wine into de Vries' face a few weeks ago, on camera

Greta:

I don't mind that so much

John:

Oh, come on Greta

Greta:

What I mind more is tossing a body off a boat

John:

Either one, it's sort of a mirror into the soul kind of thing. You can paint a pig but you can't make him a prince. A lot of people bought into the preppy, clean cut, golly gee good kid type thing and he's not a good kid, he's a bad seed. He was disrespectful of Natalee, the grieving parents, his parents

Greta:

To put it gently

John:

He's disrespectful of his own father in the tapes, the police, LE, the judicial system, the people of Aruba, he's just got no regard for anybody or anything, just callous disregard.

Greta:

Things may be changing for him fast. John, thank you.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2008, 08:54:41 AM »

Geraldo at Large Feb 2, 2008 TRANSCRIPT

Geraldo At Large
February 2, 2008

Geraldo:

What became of Natalee and who's responsible? This extremely shocking program will be world news after the SBS6 broadcast on Sunday.

"Make sure you're an eyewitness to the most revealing report I have ever made", so says Dutch reporter Peter de Vries/

Hi everybody, I'm Geraldo Rivera and Joran van der Sloot, the young dutchmen long suspected in the disappearance on the island of Aruba of Natalee Holloway, on Friday admitted that he did tell an undercover reporter that he was involved in Natalee's death.

"It is true I told someone" Joran admitted to a Dutch interviewer. That someone we think is a young man Joran met in a casino and befriended. The friend was actually working undercover for Dutch reporter Peter de Vries and for several months secretly taped van der Sloot according to my source very close to Beth Holloway who has seen the tape.

(plays tape of Beth wringing her hands)

"Look what they've done to Natalee, look what they've done to a country, look what they've done to, to

de Vries: to you?

"Look what they've done"

de Vries: She is somehow relieved because, well she was asking herself for almost 3 years now what happened to her daughter, now she's got the answers.

Geraldo:

"Everybody will see in Sunday" Joran admitted in an interview Friday night. Essentially the undercover tape shows Joran telling this kid he thought was friend that in the midst of sexual intimacy, whether literally in the act or not is unclear, Natalee had either a seizure or a heart attack and ultimately stopped breathing which may confirm various reports that the inexperienced Alabama teenager died on the beach of a drug overdose.

According to my source, Joran then frantically disposes of Natalee's body, wading with it into the water as far as he could go and letting it drift away, presumably sinking. And in the days and weeks (inaudible) before a proper search was mounted the body was carried out of the harbour by the hotels and into the caribbean sea.

Because Aruba is a one party consent jurisdiction, the tape was legally made and presumably would be admissable but what about corroborating evidence. I also spoke with Dave Holloway, Natalee's father who has not seen the tape and was not the source of this report. Dave told me that although he's been told the tape finally nails Joran, he wants to hold tight before celebrating because he's been burned so badly in the past.

Dave said he was convinced the last time around they had the evidence they needed, only to be disappointed. Dave told me he's keeping his guard up real high but Natalee's mother Beth is convinced the tape proves Joran's involvement. Beth telling the Associated Press "I can let her go now and begin mourning. The one percent of hope I had that Natalee was still alive is gone"

So although he admits making the damning statements that were caught on tape, Joran, his voice cracking, now claims he was only lying to the undercover reporter and still denies having anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. The tape airs tomorrow night at 3:15 pm eastern time.

I'm joined on the phone now by Joran's attorney, Joe Tacopina and by Fox News analyst, Detective Mark Fuhrman and here on the set by the host of the Lineup, Kimberly Guilfoyle and by Fox News analyst and former Prosecutor, Janine Piro.

Joe, you first. It sounds like not only do they have your client on tape but it admits making the statements.

Joe:

Well Geraldo, he admits making certain statements. Certainly not all the statements I've heard over the last 24 hours about supposedly what's going to nail him and not nail him and so on and so forth, but let me just backtrack for a second and say this:

We have not heard this tape yet. Before we get to the point where we've already figured out the case is solved, we've been down this road before, let's let this thing air and play out.

Let me say this to you and this is a very important fact Geraldo and you know I'm on with you and as sharp as you are, I know you're not in Joran's camp and I have Kimberley, Mark and Janine. I have two prosecutors and a detective and little old me so I'm going to try to hold my own here but let me just say this:

This prosecutor in Aruba, Hans Mos who I've met with and spoken with had this tape for over a week. Joran van der Sloot is at liberty and has not been arrested because of this evidence. This prosecutor has arrested Joran on absolutely no evidence in this case. The information that's gathered from this tape is absolutely disprovable as a cause (1) of Natalee's death and (2) more formally as to what happened. So certainly the prosecution is going to try and do something with this but he hasn't been able to act on the tape to put Joran back in prison and we know it's a very different standard.

Geraldo:

I hear you Joe. Mark Fuhrman, is the prosecutor just waiting until Monday, I mean today is Saturday.

Fuhrman:

Geraldo, let's give Joe the benefit of the doubt here. What he's saying is probably true but you're probably not going to rush out there the third time around without verifying, make sure you've got a voiceprint that matches, nothing's been dubbed, verify there's not been anything edited in the video or the audio, nothing else, that might take longer than a week, might take longer than 2 weeks.

That being said and Joe said something about he doesn't admit to all the statements. There's only one we care about and that's as to the death of Natalee Holloway and anything else we really don't care about. If that's there and there's 1,000 other things he doesn't admit to, what he did specifically he was asked, 'did you make that statement' ' No, I was lying' so let me tell you this Geraldo: the only time a suspect in an interrogation, when they know they're talking to the cops make a statement to take the blame is to protect a suspect they're afraid of, a co-suspect or to protect a loved one. They don't lie and admit to the crime for the sake

Joe:

Mark, Mark that's not true, Mark look there's a real phenomenon called false confession and I'm not saying that that applies here, let's not say that that's the only time

Geraldo:

Joe, Joe

Kimberley: Ha ha

Janine: Ha ha ha

Kimberley:

Joe, your client is one of the sharpest guys I've ever come across that's had the term a suspect in a case, he's no joke, he's no slouch, he's highly intelligent. What would possess him to make a statement that's 100% against his interest and confess to a crime of this magnitude if he had absolutely nothing to do with it?

Joe:

Is that a question for me?

Kimberley:

That's a question

Geraldo:

Let the Judge ask you another question then you can give me a compound answer Joe, go ahead.

Janine:

You know what Joe, the truth is that he wasn't being interrogated at the time, he was totally off his guard, it's not unlike defendants to slip and that's why you're able to prove cold cases years later. Everybody talks sooner or later and the fact that he says that he was lying validates the authenticity of the tapes.

They can splice it, they can see if it's been doctored, they can try to authenticate it. The fact he says it's a lie proves that he said it and the fact he goes right to the heart of the issue when he's not under interrogation, when his guard is down is devastating to you.

Joe:

Can I get my compound answer in now? First of all we don't even know what the tape says or what he's admitting to. Let's let it play out, I'll talk to any one of you on Monday again #1. #2 before we go and say this is proof positive he was involved, there is absolute, based on the stories we've heard, absolutely refutable evidence as to a boat being involved and an individual being involved. The prosecutor knows that and that's why they haven't acted on it, that's #1

#2 If you want to (inaudible) what he's saying, what he's saying is she died of her own, you know, accidental

Geraldo:

Unless he gave her the drugs

Joe:

seizure because of drugs. He gave her the drugs? Who said that?

Geraldo:

He obstructed justice, he disposed of the body and he inflicted untold cruelty on this poor woman's parents, he jerked us all around for 2 years

Joe:

Don't mix and match issues, is he admitting to guilt or is he admitting to being cruel. They're very distinctly different issues. Let's do this, let's wait for the tapes to come out and then let's talk

Geraldo:

Quickly, Mark

Mark:

Geraldo, that's great if he says she died on her own because of some kind of medical condition or an overdose, the problem is because of his actions you can't prove this was in his hands or not, so it's too bad now, you've got to take it on the chin, you want to admit to somebody you think you can trust and you can't because they're an undercover reporter, that's the way it goes.

Geraldo:

Gentlemen, thank you.



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February 1, 2008

Miss:

First of all your reaction to hearing about his development in the case

Dan:

It's so interesting for people who've covered this case for over 2 years now but we keep hearing about potential breaks.

First there was the initial arrest, then there was the follow up arrest, then they were released again, and then there's this. So there really is still a lot of interest in this case. I've got to believe there's going to be some ambiguity here.

You hear some people say "I wouldn't use the word 'confession' here I'd use 'admissions'" which makes it sound like Joran van der Sloot has made comments that suggest he was at the scene but suggesting you're at the scene or speculating about how something might have happened is very different from saying 'this is how I did it' Remember O. J. Simpson, he wrote this whole book "If I Did It". We don't know, that was considered to be his confession but there still was a lot of ambiuity.

Miss:

A lot of ambiguity and we still don't know the context of how this was necessarily obtained. Whether this admission or confession was somehow coersced from him, Joran van der Sloot the main suspect in the case or if the tape was edited down. So how carefully are prosecutors going to be looking at this tape, because they've had it for over a week now.

Dan:

Yes, very different presenting it on tv on Sunday night and presenting it in the courtroom.

They've first got to determine that it's authentic; they have to determine that it hasn't been unfairly edited/ they have to make sure things haven't been added or removed and then there are going to be admissability questions.

There are going to be questions about who was involved in making this tape, how was it made, is it reliable etc. so even if it's persuasive, then you still have a lot of legal questions to answer (a) even before the prosecutor even decides to say 'we want to charge him with this' and the (b) bringing it into court to seek a conviction.

Miss:

But it can be used against Joran van der Sloot as evidence?

Dan:

They can try but then again there are going to be questions, for instance 'were there any government officials involved in this?' In the United States for example, if there were, you have a lot of issues of someone says "hey why don't you go secretly tape them". The question then becomes "hey did you have permission to do that? Did you have a warrant? There are a lot of legal questions that have to be answered first

Miss:

Meanwhile the Dutch crime reporter, Peter de Vries is reportedly as Michelle said, very credible in The Netherlands, he's considered one of their top crime reporters.

Dan:

But he's still one of us, he's still a reporter, he's still selling his Sunday night story

Miss:

As a spectacular

Dan:

Exactly, he may be well respected, he may say it's a confession but I want to see it first.

Miss:

Beth Twitty sounds like she's convinced by what she's seen

Dan:

Absolutely, Beth Twitty wants answers here and she's long believed that Joran van der Sloot was involved so we have to take that with one grain of salt here. Beth has so much at stake here and is so involved

Miss:

She wants this case closed

Dan:

Yeah, she wants answers, and remember the one thing she knows is Joran van der Sloot is the last person known to have seen her daughter alive and she's always believed that he hasn't provided the necessary answers.


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Greta January 31, 2008 / JQK, Tacopina / TRANSCRIPT

On The Record
January 31, 2008

John Q Kelly and Joe Tacopina

Greta:

Someone cracked the Natalee Holloway case. Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries says, yes.
de Vries says he's solved the mystery of Natalee's disappearance during an elaborate undercover camera operation. Is this true? What did he find? So now what? Will Aruban authorities make an arrest again?

Eighteen year old Natalee disappeared during her spring break trip in Aruba in May, 2005. Joining us live in New York is John Q Kelly, Natalee's parents' lawyer. Good evening John

John:

Good evening Greta, how are you?

Greta:

Good, so John this is like we all of a sudden all got our blackberries going off and getting lots of messages from Aruba and all over, so what's the story about this undercover operation. What can you tell us tonight?

John:

First of all, Beth had just left me a voicemail yesterday that she was heading over to the Netherlands and said it could be important. She filled me in today when she got there. The next I heard were the press release from the prosecutor's office and then I actually spoke to Beth and and she indicated she had gotten over there at Peter de Vries' invitation, had viewed some videotape and some audiotape, you know, was just rather astonished at what she had seen and heard.

Greta:

Astonished or like , I guess ecstatic isn't the word to use but does she have answers? Did she convey to you that AHA, now I know. Is it that kind of thing?

John:

It was a couple of things. (1) she was satisfied that what she had seen and heard was authentic and secondly she just felt that some of her questions had been answered and some of the information she had been looking for, she felt she had now

Greta:

I this, I suppose we're not hearing much about it because the television show wants to save it and break it on Sunday. Is that right?

John:

That's right, I'm just talking generally now Greta

Greta:

I take it you know but you can't tell us, is that fair?

John:

I have a little more detail in terms of what I've been told is on there but we're not talking about it right now

Greta:

Can you tell us anything else that you can tell us before I start trying to trick you into telling us?

John:

I hate when you trick me Greta. Just that it's someone basically making admissions in terms of what happened the night Natalee disappeared in terms of what happened to her and why she disappeared, how her body was disposed of and why she hasn't been found.

Greta:

Obviously that's huge, how the body was disposed of, that's giant. Now, I just want to ask you one quick question. Was the information sufficiently detailed or was the disposal such that the body could now be recovered, because obviously that would be giant in making out a case

John:

It's my understanding that from what I've heard that it would not be possible to recover the body at this time, given the manner of disposal

You know Greta, I think it's going to be very simple, seeing is believing and this is something that's to air on Sunday night. Everybody's going to have the opportunity to see for themselves and judge for themselves and I hate to even talk about that something that's going to speak for itself when it does air.

Greta:

We don't yet know, maybe you can help us out, the circumstances surrounding it, whether it's a situation where he's sort of like cleansing his soul and saying this is what happened or whether he's sitting around drinking beers at a party and trying to be a show off and making stuff up

John:

I know it's not a confessional; it's admissions. It's my understanding that it's a rather lengthy, for lack of a better word, a sting operation that was developed over a period of months. Someone developed a certain level of trust and confidence and ultimately a lot of surreptitious video and audiotape was done and a lot of admissions were captured on this and we're going to air on Sunday night.

Greta:

Is this an uncut statement or is this an undercover operation and they sort of butted sound bites together, because that of course would be an issue if there are any cuts in it

John:

Of course, I mean I don't know if it's going to be a tape running for 10, 15, 20 minutes period of time, you know or if there are hours and hours and hours of audio and video tape that were logged in there and they're just going to use what they see as the most relevant or or the most damning admissions or most substantive admissions. I just don't know Greta

Greta:

Are you able to describe to us, you know who was the one who gained the confidence of Joran? Was it a friend, a teacher

John:

It's my understanding it was a peer, someone in the same age group, someone that spent time with him and was with him over a period of time

Greta:

Alright now our favourite mutual topic, the public prosecutor in Aruba. Have you heard anything or not about whether he has seen the tape and if he intends on doing anything with it?

John:

It's my understanding he's seen the tape. As a result of the tape they've gone before an examining judge, an initial judge again and you know it's the same thing with this press release today, he sort of talks a little bit in circles indicating that they will keep investigating, take another look at this in light of their other evidence and make decisions down the road. I haven't talked to him today Greta

Greta:

I'm just going to tease you on this one other thing. John Q Kelly is now representing the Savio, Kathleen Savio family and there is giant news and John is probably going to join us tomorrow night with it, but we're also going to talk a little bit more about it tonight, but it is big, it's big news, so anyway John I'm not going to ask you about that tonight, just tease the viewers with it. Thank you John.

So this breaking news must be rattling one person at least that person tonight must be Joran van der Sloot, or is he rattled.

Joran was arrested more than once in connection with Natalee Holloway's disappearance. Joran's lawyer Joe Tacopina joins us live in New York.

I know you're going to say your client's not rattled. If someone said I have a tape of you, even if I hadn't done anything wrong, I'd be rattled

Joe:

Maybe, I'm sure rattled, he's been arrested twice, detained without any charges and subsequently released so I'm sure there's a sense of being concerned that it's going to happen again Greta but I think the prosecutor in Aruba should concentrate more on the investigation instead of giving these ridiculous press releases that say much ado about nothing. They have new evidence 'maybe' - I have it in front of me - 'may' impact the investigation, that 'may' have some value but we can't tell you what it is.

Put this down, stop writing press releases and do an investigation. Let's see what happens on Sunday. What I will tell you is this, there is nothing that could come out of this episode on Sunday that's going to convince me and my investigators or anyone with intimate knowledge of this case that Joran had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance.

Greta:

You know that I've spent time with your client and I have said in the past and that after spending time with him, that I was inclined to believe him, I didn't say that I was 100% because I figure he could have lied to me

Joe:

99% I think you said

Greta:

Yeah, I mean I was inclined to believe him. However if there is a tape in which he gives details that only the killer could know and that can be corroborated with any kind of physical evidence that it wasn't something fanciful, I'll tell you one thing "inclined to believe" would be quickly lifted because that tape could be huge.

Joe:

Oh it could be huge and we talk in these hypothetical senses but remember this prosecutor, I don't know if you know but this prosecutor had this tape over a week ago. This didn't just happen today. The reason this prosecutor came out with a press release today is because de Vries put this on his website that he was doing a show on Sunday

Greta:

And people started calling

Joe:

Right and today the prosecutor released, if you read the wording of his press release, he was very careful to say they are not sure of the value of this. They had the tape for a week and today they're still not sure of the value. Let's not hold our breath, we've been there before, we've done that and before we get too exercised here, let's let it play, you know play the part of being investigated. Let the tape come out and let's see what it says.

Now again there's context and maybe things that are out of context and I think before, and I've spoken to Joran and I've spoken to his parents tonight and they've spoken to Hans Mos and there is no concern that this is going to lead to a revelation that's going to inculpate Joran van der Sloot so that's not the issue.

Greta:

Have you spoken to Joran?

Joe:

Yes

Greta:

And did you say "hey Joran, guess what? I just heard there's a tape of you?"

Joe:

You know, we had a conversation. As you know as a former attorney, you know there's attorney / client privilege

Greta:

There's nothing privileged about what you say to him, it's what he says to you. Did you tell him "hey Joran, guess what? There's a tape?"

Joe:

thanks counsellor. No, I'm not going to go into my conversation with the client but I will say this: I walked out of that conversation and I'll tell you I'm as determined as ever to stand here and tell you he had nothing to do with her disappearance

Greta:

You know Joe, I 'd say the same thing. I know

Joe:

I wouldn't say the same thing, I wouldn't be here tonight if I didn't believe that. I wouldn't say the same thing. I wouldn't be here if I didn't believe it.

Greta:

Are you kidding? A good lawyer should be defending his client.

What I'm asking you is what does this tape say? What are the circumstances under which the tape was made? Those, that's the important part and whether or not it can be corroborated by any physical evidence.

Joe:

That's exactly the key and the prosecutor's had this tape for a week and he's not sure this adds any value to their investigation, they've not sought permission to re-arrest Joran or anything like that so, all I'd say Greta is I certainly haven't heard it, I don't know and I'm not going to sit here and speculate about what the value of this tape is. Let's see what happens, I'll be here on Monday if you need me and we'll chat a little bit more.

Greta:

And the fact that he hasn't made an arrest could cut either way, that maybe he's learned his lesson that he should investigate first unlike what happened in December, or it means there's absolutely nothing there. Those are the two choices

Joe:

That's it.

Greta:

Alright, see you Monday Joe.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2008, 08:59:11 AM »

2.01.2008
Peter R. de Vries solves the case of Natalee Holloway
DIARIO Aruba
02/01/2008


ORANJESTAD(AAN): Thursday, the Public Ministry issued a press release in which it says that it is investigating new leads which could possibly bring some clarity to the manner in which Natalee Holloway died and the way in which her body disappeared.

The release continues to say that recently, the Public Ministry received this information from Dutch crime reporter Peter. R. de Vries.

This information could help, in an important way, to be able to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

According to the press release, together with the Aruba police corps, the Public Ministry is investigating the credibility and value of the information that has been handed over to them.

In this, the results of the in-depth investigation that has been conducted in the past are also included. At the end of the press release it says that in the interest of the investigation, the Public Ministry will not give any more information at this moment.

After the press release came out, different information related to it came out on the internet. Among other things, it came forward that the evidence that Peter de Vries gave to chief prosecutor Mos is a hidden recording on which Joran van der Sloot tells someone that he killed Natalee.

In a special program Sunday, February 3 on SBS6 of Holland, everything will be revealed by de Vries.

De Vries himself, in a short video to promote the Sunday program, said that what will be revealed is something that will shock many people and that this is the most interesting broadcast he has ever been a part of in his 30 year career.

According to information that has leaked, chief prosecutor Mos is very happy with the information, that according to him, it solves the case.

According to information, when Mos spoke to de Vries in relation to the secret recording, he said that he does not believe that Joran is lying when he says what he says.

Peter R. de Vries also got in contact with Natalee’s mom, Beth Twitty, who also will be present during the Dutch program.

De Vries, in an article, let it be known the way that he was able to conduct the secret recording operation and that it was one where he had to have a lot of patience.

Every time and with Kees van der Spek, who helped to bring everything together, there was fear that their actions could perhaps fail.

However, everything went as they had hoped and according to de Vries, the result was something that he will never forget.

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Romney Quits Presidential Race; How Did Natalie Holloway Die?

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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, political bombshell -- Mitt Romney quits the presidential race.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MITT ROMNEY (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This isn't an easy decision. I hate to lose.

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KING: Where does that leave John McCain?

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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm acutely aware that I cannot succeed in that endeavor without the support of dedicated conservatives.

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KING: Plus, is the Natalee Holloway case finally solved? The prime suspect appears to confess on camera.

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PATRICK VAN DER EEM: What happened to her? What the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) happened to her? Joran, listen. I'm from Aruba. I know the beach.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: And I'm telling you the honestly I know what happened to that girl.

VAN DER EEM: What happened then, Joran? She's dead, isn't she?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course. She's never going to be found.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Natalee's mother and the reporter who uncovered the story react.

And Britney Spears -- will she be hounded to death?

All next on LARRY KING LIVE.

We begin with my friend Glenn Beck, the host of "GLENN BECK" on CNN "Headline News" and syndicated talk radio host. Also, a "New York Times" bestselling author. The book is "An Inconvenient Book." He is an outspoken Republican on the right side of the ledger.

Let's run right down some issues. What do you make of Mitt Romney leaving today?

GLENN BECK, HOST, "GLENN BECK," HEADLINE NEWS: First of all, let me just say this. Thank you very much, Mr. King, for having me on the program.

KING: My pleasure.

BECK: Second of all, I'm not a Republican. I'm actually an Independent. I am a conservative. I was a supporter of Mitt Romney. I'm disappointed that he's out. I think the economy is a giant, giant issue on what we have coming toward us in the next four years. I have -- I remember being a young kid and thinking -- and watching Lee Iacocca turn around Chrysler. And I thought, jeez, why can't we've somebody like that to turn the country around? And I think he was -- I think he was the guy to do it.

KING: John McCain, what's -- what's the rub against him? You said on your radio show, "I think John McCain is more dangerous than Hillary Clinton." Why?

BECK: Yes, well, but let me put that in context. Saying more dangerous than Hillary Clinton, to the conservative movement -- I am a conservative and the reason why I felt it was important to point out that I'm not a Republican is I think the Republicans have sold out their values. I don't think -- I don't think we've had a real conservative in the White House -- certainly haven't had -- this last Congress was not conservative.

So I think John McCain is more dangerous to the conservative movement because he will redefine it. George Bush has already begun to redefine it as some time that, somehow or another, lower taxes and gigantic spending is supposed to work. It won't work and that's not a conservative value. Lower taxes and smaller government does work.

KING: Well, but don't all candidates -- candidates on the left move to the center? They figure the left will stay with them anyway. Candidates on the right move to the center because the right is supposed to stay with them.

BECK: (INAUDIBLE)

KING: What does McCain do now? Does he move to the center?

BECK: I don't -- you know, I -- look, you know, Larry, I'm a guy who -- I'm a conservative but I voted in Connecticut for Joe Lieberman. And the reason why I did it is because Joe Lieberman doesn't move back and forth -- with an exception of the Al Gore period of his life. He doesn't move back and forth. You know where he stands. I know Joe Lieberman to be a guy who will look you in the eye and say, Glenn, we're going to disagree on this and this and this, but this is exactly what I'm going to do. And he's right on enough issues for me -- especially on the war. I'm tired and I would think that the rest of America is tired of these politicians moving back and forth. Say what you mean and mean what you say. You know, you have -- you have the Republicans in Congress saying that they're, you know, conservatives and they're for smaller government and lower spending. And yet they spend like crazy.

And so what do the Democrats do? The Democrats say we're going to cut the earmarks, we're going to be transparent. They get in, they spend like crazy. Nobody -- at some point, the conservatives and the liberals in America need to let these parties know we're in charge and we want you to say what you mean and mean what you say.

KING: Speaking of flip-flopping, though, while Lieberman didn't flip-flop, he's got an 85 percent voting record for the -- for Democrat, for liberals.

BECK: Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

KING: He's thought of as a strong liberal.

BECK: Oh, yes.

KING: So he didn't cop out going with Gore. But how about Romney for switching?

BECK: Romney is an interesting case. And I'm a big -- you know, Larry, I'm a recovering alcoholic. And I'm a big pivot point guy. I can tell you that -- the moment -- I can tell you, the room I can tell you the color, I can tell you what time of day it was when I realized, oh, my gosh, I have to change my life. My life is out of control.

So I'm a big pivot point guy. I asked Romney the first time I spoke to him on my radio program -- and I warned my audience beforehand. I said let's look for the pivot point. If this guy can't tell you what color the wallpaper was, he's lying and he's moved just to become conservative for the day.

And I asked him about his stance on abortion. He knew exactly when it happened. He had a very clear recollection of when it happened. If you don't change -- I don't mean flip-flop -- if you don't change and at times have pivot points in your life, I don't think you're alive.

KING: Yes. What do you make of all the major turnout by Democrats everywhere? In all of these primary races, they are going to the polls in greater number than Republicans.

BECK: Oh, because Republicans -- you know, the Republicans are looking at our choices and saying gosh, I wish I could I wish I could -- you feel kind of like I wish I could have Dr. Frankenstein and just slice a little bit off of each of them and sew them together. Republicans are really confused on what to do because they can't find anybody who actually stands for a majority of the values that we're supposed to have as conservatives.

When it comes to -- when it comes to the Democrats, I think that Barack Obama is the most exciting candidate we have seen in a very long time. I disagree with his point of view. But he is exactly the kind of candidate that ignites the imagination of America. He's -- again not ideologically speaking. He is Ronald Reagan. He's a guy who can look into the camera and say we're better than this.

KING: Well, isn't that then what...

BECK: We don't -- we don't have to be this way.

KING: Isn't that what Glenn Beck wants in a person, the value of the person?

BECK: I want a guy who is -- and this is what I do like about Barack Obama. I want a guy who's not afraid to say, whew, I made huge mistakes but I learned from them. I did this in my life and this in my life, but this is what I learned. And it made me a better person. I want a guy who is absolutely unafraid to say you know what, I know you're going to disagree with me on this, but I believe it to the core of my being. And if you can't vote for me, and if I lose the election because of it, that's OK. I want that. And I think most Americans want that.

KING: Glenn, congratulations on all the good things happening to you.

BECK: Thank you.

KING: Next time we'll do a lot more.

BECK: I got it. Thank you.

KING: Again, continued success. I'll see you next week in New York.

BECK: You got it. Thanks, Mr. King.

KING: Glenn Beck, the host of "GLENN BECK" on CNN "Headline News" and the author of the bestseller "An Inconvenient Book".

Our political posse of experts join me when LARRY KING LIVE returns.

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ROMNEY: If this were only about me, I'd go on. But it's never been only about me. I entered this race -- I entered this race because I love America. And because I love America, in this time of war, I feel I have to now stand aside for our party and for our country.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MCCAIN: Many of you have disagreed strongly with some positions I have taken in recent years. I understand that. I might not agree with it, but I respect it for the principled position it is. And it is my sincere hope that even if you believe I have occasionally erred in my reasoning as a fellow conservative, you will still allow that I have, in many ways important to all of us, maintained the record of a conservative.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: We are joined now by Katrina Vanden Heuvel, the editor of "The Nation". She's in New York.

And Amy Holmes, Republican strategist and CNN political analyst. She's in Washington.

Katrina, what do you make of Romney saying good-bye?

KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL, EDITOR, "THE NATION": Conservatism in crisis. I think Romney's exit reveals the moral, political and intellectual bankruptcy of conservatism.

What's delicious, Larry, however, is to watch the right-wing media machine, the Limbaughs, the Hannitys, the Coulters, the Ingrahams, suffering from what I would McCain media -- McCain derangement syndrome. Here you have John McCain, a foot soldier in the Republican -- in the Reagan Revolution, who led the Bush reelection campaign. And they are going on because they have been rebuked -- repudiated by the foot soldiers of the GOP. And the fulminations make no sense.

KING: All right...

HEUVEL: John McCain is -- gives new meaning to the term quagmire as a warmonger, has an 82 percent American Conservative Union rating. So there is a crisis, there is a disconnect...

KING: All right.

HEUVEL: ... and there's a discombobulation.

KING: Amy, what's the rub on him?

AMY HOLMES, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, clearly, Katrina is not a fan -- not a fan of McCain, not a fan of conservatives or conservative radio talk show hosts. There's not a crisis of conservatism. The problems that you afield, you have candidate who don't represent all three wings of conservatism, just as Glenn was talking with you earlier in the segment.

I was at CPAC today. It was really -- it was interesting. I was there to hear Romney. I was there to hear McCain. And what I take away from Romney actually giving that with, you know, dropout speech -- he's calling his suspension speech. Suspenders speech is the new euphemism now that the politicians are using. John Edwards used it, too. What I got from that, actually, is the strength of conservatism. Instead of going back to Massachusetts surrounded by his wife and his five sons, he addressed a conservative audience. And I think what he was doing is that he was trying to set himself up, set up a potential 2012 run, perhaps, and really ground himself and base himself in the conservative base and the conservative movement, so next time around, it's not that hard.

HEUVEL: What I...

KING: Don't...

HEUVEL: But, Amy, the speech I heard was a wing nut speech, to be honest. Because Swift Boating began as Romney exited -- not that it hasn't always been in play with the Republican Party. You had someone who was saying that he was leaving the race to defend his country from two Democratic candidates who want an end to a war that has made us less secure.

HOLMES: Which is...

HEUVEL: It was as if...

HOLMES: ...a different standard...

HEUVEL: It was as if he was face saving...

HOLMES: ...conservative position that if we pull out of Iraq...

HEUVEL: No, but he was save...

HOLMES: ...that we'll be creating a nest of jihadists and terrorists that could come back and attack this country. What he was saying today...

HEUVEL: Amy, the war has created that.

HOLMES: Hold on, Katrina. What he was saying today are very standard...

HEUVEL: Wing nut.

HOLMES: You say it's wing nut, I say it's conservative. And, you know, there's the electorate that votes for Republicans who those messages, those work. And it's about national security. It's about family and social values. You know, this is a man who was pro-choice and became -- and moved toward pro-life.

HEUVEL: It's a man who flipped so many times on the road...

HOLMES: And, Katrina, you're obviously not...

HEUVEL: ...to Iowa.

HOLMES: ...going to be buying this message. This was not meant for you. This was meant for Republican voters. KING: All right, Katrina, where -- what -- where stands this Hillary -- is that race -- is your party's race going to go to Denver?

HEUVEL: You know, Howard Dean said the other day that he doesn't want a brokered convention. My view, Larry -- and this is not conventional wisdom -- is I think this is very healthy that this race goes on. Millions of voters will be participants, not just spectators. And the enthusiasm and the turnout build with each primary.

So I think you see a great enthusiasm gap when you had three million voting Super Tuesday -- more three million voters than one million for the Republicans. And I think what you see with Hillary Clinton the other day, with the loan, it's very interesting. I mean Joe Trippi, who worked with John Edwards, thinks it shows trouble. Her campaign says it's a tactic to get more people to contribute.

What's exciting, though, is when you look at Obama -- my view, by the way, is we need public financing back. This campaign, $100 million, crazy. But if you want to bring money into the process, Obama has 50 percent small donors. He raised $27 million online. Democratization of funding in the absence of public financing is very encouraging.

KING: Amy?

HOLMES: Sure, I agree with those last points.

KING: Amy, what do you think of the other side?

HOLMES: I agree with those last points about the democratization of the process. But I think for the Democratic candidate, this is awfully dangerous. What's going to -- what's happening is that Republicans are coalescing around John McCain. And while Hillary and Obama are going at each other and fighting each other and bruising each other up, Republicans will beating up on them, too, because now they have a unified message.

You're going to be hearing a lot more from Republicans attacking Barack and/or Hillary as being ultra liberal. We know Barack got -- was the most liberal Senator in -- amongst 100 senators, which is hard to do with Ted Kennedy in the chamber. So what you're going to hear is a unified Republican Party now going after the Democrats.

So while I understand the part about bringing people in and that's exciting and I think Barack's ability to do that is extraordinary, politically, it's very dangerous.

HEUVEL: But, Amy, I don't see a unified Republican Party yet. I think you could have a John McCain out there with conservatives still attacking him and he's not able to really focus on a Democratic candidate, he's shadow boxing.

HOLMES: Well, here's the thing...

HEUVEL: I think what's interesting...

HOLMES: (INAUDIBLE)...

HEUVEL: ...moving ahead, by the way, on the economy, to talk issues for one moment...

KING: All right, we...

HEUVEL: We talked about the war. The economy is emerging -- our tanking economy, the anxiety and the insecurity of millions. John McCain is someone who said he doesn't care that much about the economy.

HOLMES: Oh, he never said that he doesn't care about the economy.

HEUVEL: You could have two Democratic candidates...

HOLMES: That's (INAUDIBLE).

KING: I don't...

HOLMES: He never said that he doesn't care about it...

HEUVEL: You could have two Democratic candidates speaking focused...

HOLMES: (INAUDIBLE) another point about rallying...

HEUVEL: ...about the economy.

HOLMES: Hold on.

KING: Katrina, let Amy finish.

HOLMES: Hold on. Here's the point about...

KING: Amy, go ahead.

HOLMES: ...John McCain and the party rallying around him. I think a lot of people are forgetting, you know, all of us, pundits and reporters included, that John McCain is going to be picking a running mate. And that's yet another opportunity to bring Republicans conservatives, Evangelicals, to him.

KING: That...

HOLMES: One of the great ironies, Larry, that you were getting at, which is normally in this process, the Democrat or the Republican runs to the extreme...

KING: The center.

HOLMES: Whether it's to the right or to the left, to get the primary. And then they race back to the center in the general.

KING: Right. HOLMES: With McCain, it's the opposite. So he's a Republican candidate who has put together this extraordinary coalition of moderates and independents...

KING: And then...

HOLMES: ...and now, now that it looks like he's getting the nomination, he has to run to the right.

(LAUGHTER)

KING: But the danger if he runs...

(CROSSTALK)

HOLMES: ...for Republican support.

KING: If he runs too much to the right, does he lose the independents?

HOLMES: A...

HEUVEL: You know, I think...

KING: Thank you both.

HEUVEL: I think that's a serious issue, Larry. I mean I don't think it's a danger with John McCain.

KING: All right, we'll be -- all right, we've got to take a break.

HEUVEL: Thank you.

HOLMES: All right.

KING: Thank you both very much.

HEUVEL: Thank you.

KING: We'll be having you on a lot.

Katrina Vanden Heuvel, the editor of "The Nation". And Amy Holmes, the Republican strategist and CNN political analyst.

Do we finally know what happened to Natalee Holloway? You'll want to see this, after the break.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How were you so sure she was dead, Joran? You can't. You know, people can also go into a coma.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Welcome back.

Have secretly recorded videotapes finally solved the Natalee Holloway case? It's been nearly three years since the American teenager disappeared in Aruba. Suspicion in the case has centered on Joran van der Sloot. He's been arrested and released three times in the case. But in mid-December, Aruban prosecutors announced that they were closing the investigation. And then last week, a bombshell -- hidden camera footage played on Dutch TV showed Joran claiming he was with Natalee when she collapsed on a beach in Aruba and that he asked a friend to dump her body into the sea.

Joining us now in New York is Beth Holloway, Natalee's mother. Natalee disappeared May 30th, 2005.

Also in New York is Peter Devries, the Dutch crime reporter who orchestrated the undercover surveillance operation against van der Sloot, long time suspect in the case.

Before we talk, let's take a look at a segment of the hidden camera tape some believe constitute a confession by van der Sloot. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP

VAN DER EEM: What happened then, Joran?

VAN DER SLOOT: Morta, she's dead, isn't she?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course.

VAN DER EEM: Did she die or what?

VAN DER SLOOT: But do you think -- come on. I would never kill a girl.

VAN DER EEM: No, I think, so. Joran, you know (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

VAN DER SLOOT: I just lucked out, that's all. That's -- that's what it was.

VAN DER EEM: What do you mean?

VAN DER SLOOT: Well, that it's just -- something happened there.

VAN DER EEM: Well, of course, something happened there. She's no longer around, is she?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. And the ocean's big, isn't it?

VAN DER EEM: Of course. The sea is big, man.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: OK. Beth Holloway, how do you react seeing something like that, hearing something like that?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALIE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, Larry, you know, it's difficult to -- you know, when I hear that, the words coming out of Joran. But I think the most difficult aspect of that is how he imitates her while she's suffering. I think that is -- gosh, that's just the hardest thing for me to comprehend as a human being, to listen to him and how he has such a disregard and just an utter, utter disregard for just the existence of human life.

And I'm thinking he certainly had the ability to seek help for her, to call an ambulance and see if someone could come. And he just chooses to call a friend to dispose of her, you know, body. And I just can't imagine another human being committing such a heinous act, or just such a barbaric action.

KING: Do you gather from listening to that she -- she was not murdered?

HOLLOWAY: Well, when I hear Joran, what I'm hearing, though, is he doesn't know, Larry, if Natalee was alive or not when he decided to dispose of her body. So, yes, he is a murderer, Larry, to me.

KING: Yes, all right.

HOLLOWAY: There is no way a 17-year-old can make a decision whether a young woman is alive or not. She could have been in a coma easily.

KING: Peter, explain how this whole -- this tape came about.

PETER DEVRIES, REPORTER, INITIATED ON-CAMERA "STING": Well, Larry, this tape came about because some guy named Patrick came to me and he said I am a close friend of Joran, he trusts me completely and I think he's not telling the truth about what happened to Natalee that night on the beach.

Is there something I can do for you? Yes. Well, I said, I think so. And then we worked out a plan with the hidden camera and the undercover camera operation.

KING: Why do you think he confessed?

DEVRIES: Well, I think he confessed because he was just released out of prison. The case was closed and he considered himself as a winner of the case. And, well, this guy Patrick, he trusted him completely. They were playing poker. They were cruising around. And he thought it was safe to tell him in the car.

KING: Now, Patrick -- who unearthed the confession -- he has a kind of tainted background, the fact that he was using marijuana to help gain this confession. Any concerns about who you collaborated with?

DEVRIES: Well, Patrick, indeed, has a conviction in the past, but that is already more than 12 years ago. And he is now a respected businessman. So there's no problem with that, I think.

And about the pot smoking in the car, that's the daily routine of Joran. Patrick didn't push him. Patrick didn't ask him to do that. He -- Joran just did what he wanted to do himself.

KING: Beth, do you believe this?

DEVRIES: I believe the confession, yes. I am convinced.

KING: Yes. But does -- does Beth believe it?

HOLLOWAY: Larry, I do believe the words that Joran was admitting to Patrick. I do. And I think there are a lot of things that, you know, we knew were transpiring early on and, you know, when we're hearing the condition and how he's describing her and, you know, his actions. Yes, absolutely I do, Larry. And I feel as if, for the first time, I saw the Joran that I had met that first night at the Holiday Inn. And I -- I felt like I hadn't seen him in the last two-and-a-half years. But when I saw him in the car with Patrick, I was like there he is. That's the Joran that I met that night at the Holiday Inn hotel.

KING: We'll be right back with Beth Holloway and Peter Devries on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE.

More to come. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER EEM: Did he ever tell you how he did it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course, he did.

VAN DER EEM: How did he do it then?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: I pronounced it Joran Van Der Sloot, because it's spelled S-L-O-O-T. But the correct Dutch pronunciation as Sloot, if it were S-L-O-A-T. My apologies. Let's take a look at another clip, taken some hours -- from some 20 hours of hidden camera tape. This one involves Joran talking about a boat -- a boat owning friend he says he asked to dispose of the body.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER EEM: How far do you think he took her? This guy must have done a really good job. This guy really knows what he's doing. Did he weigh her down to make her sink?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't think so.

VAN DER EEM: You don't even know that?

VAN DER SLOOT: No. VAN DER EEM: Did he ever tell you how he did it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course he did.

VAN DER EEM: How did he do it then?

VAN DER SLOOT: He just went out into the sea further and he just dumped her.

VAN DER EEM: He just threw her overboard, just like that? You've been really lucky, you know? You've really been lucky.

VAN DER SLOOT: That's what I say. I've been very lucky.

VAN DER EEM: Really lucky. That he has been so stupid to do this, you know? Then you have a giant angel hanging over your head.

VAN DER SLOOT: I was even able to sleep that night. I just went home and went to bed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Hard to believe. Beth, to your knowledge, what are the Dutch authorities going to do with this bit of information?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I think what they are planning on doing is to requestion Joran, and I'm not sure when that's taking place. Peter Devries might have more information than that -- on that then me. But I believe they were either headed to Holland, where he is in school, to perhaps question him some more, and I think that they'd also maybe were able to secure some -- some of his e-mail or cell phone, computer records. So, not too clear on exactly how that's going to transpire.

KING: Peter, do you know what's going to happen?

DEVRIES: Well, Larry, I understood that Joran offered to make a statement to the police investigators today. I don't know what he has been saying there, but he made a statement, and that's a very important development, because until this day, Joran refused to talk to the police. And he didn't say a thing about his whereabouts that night on the beach.

KING: Beth, has this finally, at least -- it's such an overused term -- put closure for you?

HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, what it really does -- it does in some way, Larry, and it just gives me the answers that I need. And it just brings to light, you know, what we have, you know, felt was there in front of us all along, but we could just not grasp it. So, it does. It gives you -- it's really given me just a lot of peace and comfort in finally knowing what happened.

I think it's a daily torture for a family that has a missing loved one and the not knowing. So, I can now say, Larry, you know, even though the knowing is difficult, the not knowing, that is just sheer hell. It really is. KING: Let's take another look at another video clip, one some people believe offers a chilling insight into Joran's character.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER SLOOT: And he says, Joran, what have you done. But she looks sweet, you know.

VAN DER EED: She's just lying still?

VAN DER SLOOT: Still, still, she's not doing anything. He says, what happened? I said, I don't know either man.

VAN DER EEM: Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course, I tried everything man. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I was like, what's wrong with you man. I almost wanted to cry. Why does this have to happen to me? I said to him, this isn't possible.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Beth, can you explain it all, rationalize to yourself, his cavalier attitude?

HOLLOWAY: Gosh, Larry, I just can't. I just can't imagine, as I said earlier, having such an utter disregard for someone's life. I don't know why, if you weren't involved in, you know, the disappearance or, you know, the possible death of someone -- as I said, we don't know if Natalee was in a coma or not when he disposed of her body, but why wouldn't you seek medical help? It seems like you would just pick her up and rush, just run to the Marriott, run somewhere, saying, please, someone help.

I can't imagine the first response would be to call somebody to dispose of her body. I feel as if he is fully aware of his wrong- doing, whether -- I mean, there was one part, I think, where he conveys to Patrick something that they will find inside of my daughter, and I think it's -- I think we all know it's -- but anyway, I can't even say it on TV, Larry -- but -- so, I know there was wrong- doing there, and he knows that he is responsible for the condition that she was in.

KING: Peter, when you challenged Joran, he got angry with you. He threw wine into your face?

DEVRIES: Yes, he threw a glass of red wine into my face, yes, in a talk show, yes.

KING: What were you accusing him of?

DEVRIES: Well, he there was on the show after the case was closed. He tried to gain some sympathy of the audience, and I was asking him questions about his whereabouts that night.

And I told the audience that there has been a lot of established lies, and that he wouldn't answer simple questions, and that he always revoked on his right to keep silence by the police. And why would an innocent man do this, I asked him, and that frustrated him very much. And at the end of the show, he threw the glass of wine into my face.

KING: Was he, in your mind, a suspect, to you, all the time?

DEVRIES: Yes, he was a suspect to me all the time because I am a crime reporter for 30 years now, and I've seen and done an awful lot of murder cases and disappearances. And, from the beginning, I had the impression this case could be solved.

I did an investigation on Aruba, one year and a half ago, and from then, I had the feeling Joran was not telling the truth and he was hiding something, and protecting, maybe, somebody else. But for me, it's quite sure that he knows exactly what happens on the beach, that he was present when Natalee die and that he got rid of the body.

KING: Will Joran van der Sloot's confession tape lead to a guilty verdict? That's the quick vote on CNN.com/LarryKing. You can head there right now and vote. We'll come back. We'll talk with a private investigator who works with Joran van der Sloot's attorney. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Beth Holloway and Pete Devries remain with us. We are joined now in New York by Les Levine. Les is a private investigator. He works with Joran van der Sloot's U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina (ph).

Where is Joran right now, Les?

LES LEVINE, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: He's in Holland.

KING: And how is he dealing with all of this?

LEVINE: Well, he's recognizing the damage that he's done to himself, that he's destroyed his credibility, that he's certainly hurt his mother and his father, and that he will have to live with this for the rest of his life, not in the least of which is, of course, he has torn down the credibility that Joe Tacopina, Rosemary Arnold and myself have been able to build for him over the last two and a half years.

Having said that, Larry, there is no truth to this confession. It plays well on television, but certainly does not stand up in a court of law. The prosecutor and the judge in Aruba are all aware of that fact. And the confession is loaded with one fabrication after another.

KING: Why would he confess to something he didn't do?

LEVINE: Because he was under stress. Because he wanted to puff himself up in front of what he perceived to be some wise guy who had offered him an opportunity to make some money in a deal that was in itself illegal. And, he told this guy exactly what this guy wanted to hear and had pumped him for it time and time again. KING: A pretty dumb thing to do.

LEVINE: Absolutely, no question about that. It was one of the more stupid acts that I have seen in my entire career.

KING: Let's take a look at another videotape clip. This one raises a nightmarish possibility about the timing of her death. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER EEM: You know, I wasn't there. I'm asking you, how were you so sure she was dead, man?

VAN DER SLOOT: I wasn't sure. But from the time it happened until the time he came, you know, she wasn't doing anymore.

VAN DER EEM: Did this Daury check if she was dead? Did he look, too?

VAN DER SLOOT: He looked and he said, yes, she's not alive anymore, dead.

VAN DER EEM: How did he do that?

VAN DER SLOOT: We were just standing over her and looked. It wasn't good.

VAN DER EEM: Of course, I understand it wasn't good. But he could have also been in a coma.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN DER EEM: That's possible, too, huh?

VAN DER SLOOT: That's possible.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Les, what do you think of Peter Devries, who is with us now, in another studio there in New York, who set this up, in a sense?

LEVINE: I think Peter did what he had to do to get a story and didn't care about how he went about getting it. He was successful. As I said, he was successful, but it certainly doesn't hold up in a court of law.

KING: Beth, how do you react to that?

HOLLOWAY: Well, Larry, I think that a lot of people have kind of stepped into this tangled web, into Joran's web, well into this journey, and we -- we have a lot of thing that were transpiring early on in the island of Aruba, within the first 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, and had a stunning revelation when I was watching the taped admissions of Joran to Patrick. And, when he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?

And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.

KING: Peter, what do you make of what Les has to say?

DEVRIES: Well, he said that Joran only told what our guy Patrick wanted to hear. But how did Joran, for heaven's sake, know what Patrick wanted to hear? Did he whisper that in his ears? Did he write a letter about it? It's nonsense, I think. And the other thing was, he told that he might try to impress Patrick -- but frankly, I don't think anyone in the world will be impressed by a story like this, because it's a horrifying story.

KING: Thank you all very much. We have not heard the last of this. And we'll continue to stay on it. When we come back, the saga of Britney Spears. It never goes away. More after this.

But first, John King stands by. John's going to host "AC 360" tonight, sitting in for Anderson. What's up, John?

JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks, Larry. Good to see you.

Coming up at the top of the hour on "360," and then there were two. Mitt Romney is out of the presidential race, leaving Mike Huckabee and front runner John McCain on the Republican side. We'll look at why Romney pulled out now and if the move will help McCain get support from those hard core conservatives that have so-far not bought in to his candidacy.

We'll also dig deeper into the story that Britney Spears is being abused by her self-proclaimed manager. There are allegations of mind control, of forced drug use, the list goes on. A strange story keeps getting stranger. All that, plus the latest on those deadly tornadoes in the south, including the story of what some are calling the miracle baby. That's "360" at the top of the hour.

L. KING: With the most capable John King at the helm. John, we'll see you at the top of the hour.

J. KING: Thanks, Larry.

L. KING: We'll be right back. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: We meet our panel in a moment to discuss the Britney Spears involvement. But first, we want to check in with Michael Sands, a spokesperson for Britney's manager Sam Lufti. Spears' parents accuse Lufti of drugging Britney, as well as controlling her life and her finances. Who is Sam Lufti, Michael?

MICHAEL SANDS, SPOKESMAN FOR SAM LUFTI: Sam Lufti actually happens to be a really good person. I had my concerns and my doubts about him. I was shocked when he called me yesterday, Larry, and he said to me, why don't you go do some research on me, check me out and call me back. Well, I called a couple of government agencies, and low and behold, my best friend was involved with Sam Lufti and Sam Lufti is a good person, and he may have a --

KING: He is a manager?

SANDS: I believe he is the manager, Larry, yes.

KING: What does he make of these charges made against him by Britney's parents?

SANDS: About drugging? well, he was really -- Sam has been mixing Britney's prescription medication cocktails that bipolar patients take, or bipolar people take. That's what this is about. It's about a disease called bipolar. It's not about Sam. If he drugged her, she wouldn't be out on the streets running around. This is the nature of bipolar people.

KING: How is he qualified to do the mixing of the cocktails?

SANDS: I believe that the doctors, the psycho-pharmacologists, instructed him how to give her the medication, whether crushing it up in the food, because, often, they don't want to take it.

KING: Is he still in contact with her?

SANDS: He has not contacted her at all.

KING: Thanks, Michael. We're going to call on you again. Bring us up to date on Sam. Let's meet our panel. Vanessa Grigoriadis is the contributing effort on "Rolling Stone." She wrote the Britney cover story for the current issue, a fascinating, long story. Kevin Frazier is correspondent and weekend anchor of "Entertainment Tonight." And Dr. Sam Katz is famed clinical psychologist. Vanessa, what is your over all read on this latest adventure?

VANESSA GRIGORIADIS, "ROLLING STONE": I think Britney is sick. I think she suffers from some sort of genetic mental illness. But I also think there may be some sort of drug problem in the mix. I think there's a fame problem in the mix. I think there's a narcicism problem. There's an impulse control problem. She wants to be out there on hunts with the paparazzi. She's a little bit of a menace to all of us citizens in Los Angeles.

KING: What do you make, Kevin, of what Michael just said about her manager?

KEVIN FRAZIER, "ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT": Here's the thing, if Sam Lufti was doing a good job of managing her, then she wouldn't be in this situation. It's really time for her to be in the hospital. I think her parents, just like everyone else, were shocked when she got out of the hospital on Wednesday afternoon.

And she returned to doing what she likes to do, driving around Los Angeles with a pack of paparazzi following her. It's very, very dangerous. If you have ever run into it, it will scare you to death. The thing is, she needs real help. Enough of it, now. It's really gotten to dangerous situation.

KING: But Dr. Katz, as an adult, you are allowed to drive around Los Angeles.

DR. SAM KATZ, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: She is allowed to do what she wants to do. If she's deemed competent, which she probably was at UCLA -- they found that she had adequate judgment. She wasn't dangerous to herself and others. She can do what she wants to do. There's no medical conservatorship, as far as I know, which means that she, at this point, can take care of her own medical care, despite the fact that someone has been granted the oversee of her business affairs.

FRAZIER: But there still has be a real concern that her parents released a statement, saying that they are very disappointed that she's out of the hospital. That are opposed to the fact that she's out of the hospital. And they are worried about her life right now.

KING: I'm going to take a break and come back and give you that parents statement, and get more comments from our panel. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Here's the statement issued yesterday by Britney's parents, Jamie and Lynne Spears, "As parents of an adult child in the throes of a mental health crisis, we were extremely disappointed this morning to learn that over the recommendation of her treating psychiatrist, our daughter Britney was released from the hospital that could best care for her and keep her safe. We're deeply concerned about our daughters safety and vulnerability. We believe her life is presently at risk. There are conservatorship orders in place and created to protect our daughter that are being blatantly disregarded. We ask only that the court's orders be enforced, so that a tragedy may be averted."

Do you fear the worst here, Vanessa?

GRIGORIADIS: I think it's certainly possible. I mean, I think the real problem with Britney is that she has a bad relationship with her parents. So, in addition to the fact they want to help her, she doesn't want to receive help from them.

KING: When you did that whole story, what shocked you the most?

GRIGORIADIS: What shocked me the most, really, is the way she's living her private life completely in public. We are just able to see almost everything that this going on with this woman. She has no real sense of embarrassment over the things that as she has done.

KING: What happened to her, Kevin? What happened to this bright, talented, young lady?

FRAZIER: No one was in control. And I think that's why her parents -- at least, the lawyers were back in court today, trying to figure out, in a closed hearing -- trying to figure out this conservatorship, to figure out how they can get her back under a doctor's care. I think it was too much, too soon, too fast. And she --

KING: You can have a conservatorship over an adult?

KATZ: You can. Yes, you can. I think what happened to her was she never made that transition from adolescence to adult life. She became a pop star. She never went through the rebellion with the parents. When she rebelled, she really rebelled, pushed everybody away. No one can control her. No one can help her. No one came to her aid.

We see this in a lot of the young celebrity stars. They don't want to take advice from anyone. We saw this with Michael Jackson. He wouldn't take advice from anyone. Wee see this with other stars now. So what we see is someone who is rebelling so much because she doesn't want to be a child again. She never made that transition.

And, so, she's lost right now. And she has to be found. As Vanessa says, she really needs help. She needs to be away from the public eye, too.

KING: Very hard to treat?

KATZ: Very hard to treat because I think it's multi-problems. I think there's a bipolar problem. I think there's a personality problem. There is the paparazzi. There's a lack of relationships. There's a lack of privacy. It's very difficult to treat, and everybody wants to exploit her also.

KING: What do you think is the caring of the public? Why do people sop up this issue of "Rolling Stone?"

GRIGORIADIS: I think Britney, when she was sold to us, she was sold as a virgin, somebody who was perfect, who was an amazing performer, who was going to be the next Madonna. And now we have seen this woman, who has completely just fallen apart to the point where, you know, she's not putting on a bra anymore in public. So, that's really become the problem, that she's the polar opposite of what she once was.

KING: Kevin, we only have 30 seconds. Is there anything to be optimistic about?

FRAZIER: If there can be control. If there can be a conservetorship put in place to get her back in the hospital, and she's in the hospital for an extended stay, get her away from the paparazzi and out of this situation, maybe she'll be OK. KING: That's an if though.

FRAZIER: That's a huge if. You hope her parents get control in this situation so they get her back in the hospital, because right now she enjoys riding around Los Angeles with a pack of paparazzi chasing her. That is a recipe for tragedy.

KING: She likes this.

FRAZIER: It's obvious she likes it. Because every day you wouldn't go driving around the city, Larry, if you knew guys were going to chase you.

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Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. It was a case that could not be cracked. For three long years, Aruban police claimed they couldn`t make a case against the former judge`s son, Joran Van Der Sloot. But tonight, a reporter does what the entire Aruban government couldn`t or wouldn`t do, crack the case of 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway, missing from her high school senior trip to Aruba, 2005.
Well, months of high-tech secret surveillance solves the mystery, and it proves what happened the night Holloway disappeared. After a stunning confession caught on video, as we go to air tonight, investigators grilling former judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot, last seen with Natalee Holloway. Was Holloway thrown into the choppy ocean waters late that night still alive? Why is an Aruban judge refusing to sign an arrest warrant?

And tonight, exclusive, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway`s father is with us live, along with the man who brainstormed the plan to finally crack this case, Peter De Vries.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The young man at the center of Natalee Holloway`s disappearance is meeting with investigators in the Netherlands. Joran Van Der Sloot`s lawyer said his client will answer any questions about the Alabama teenager`s disappearance. The new inquiry comes after Dutch television aired tapes of Van Der Sloot talking about the circumstances surrounding Holloway`s disappearance. Aruban prosecutors are waiting for a three-judge panel to decide if they can re-arrest Van Der Sloot based on what he said on those secretly recorded tapes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And tonight, Amber Alert, Austin, Texas, a 5-year-old little boy kidnapped out of the family car, the children en route to school. Tonight, where is 5-year-old Adrian?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news. An Amber Alert still in effect for 5-year-old Adrian Jaimes, abducted from this northeast Austin neighborhood. It happened about 7:45 this morning. Little 5-year-old Adrian Jaimes was actually in that brown-colored SUV you see there, sitting in that car with his mother and his sister. She was about to drive him to school when three suspects reached into this SUV you see there, snatched Adrian, threw him into his car and took him away. Little 5-year-old Adrian Jaimes, a Hispanic male, he`s 5 years old, 4 feet tall, 50 pounds, black hair and brown eyes. Now, he was last seen wearing a green jacket, a black T-shirt and dark blue pants.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Tonight, Natalee Holloway`s father, Dave Holloway, and the man who brainstormed the plan to crack the case of Natalee`s disappearance, Peter De Vries.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE`S FATHER: I just couldn`t believe what I was seeing, you know? You know, you almost, as a father, you know, you just feel like jumping through the TV set. You know, you just can`t believe that a person would stoop this low and have no lack of respect or remorse. I mean, he -- he has literally destroyed that island. And to top it all off, he laughs and said he was going to cash in.

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: (INAUDIBLE) investigation on the Natalee Holloway case (INAUDIBLE) Aruba, and I was very intrigued by it and I thought, Well, this is incredible that this case is not solved yet. So then I said to myself, I have to do everything to solve this, and that`s how it happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran Van Der Sloot says he was with Natalee Holloway when she died, that he helped dispose of her body and that she might not even have been dead while he was doing so. It`s all on video from a hidden camera. So how in the world is he still free? Well, Van Der Sloot spent the day being questioned by Dutch investigators and pledged to answer any question. And you can bet many of those focused on the new tapes of him discussing his night with Holloway.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Right! So now three years after the fact, nearly three years after Natalee Holloway went missing, he finally is going to answer police interrogators? As we go to air right now, Joran Van Der Sloot set to meet with Dutch investigators and answer their questions regarding Natalee`s death and disappearance. As you all know by now, those of you who have followed the case, a plan to secretly catch former judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot on tape giving a confession. Take a listen.

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JORAN VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): I looked that officer straight in the face and I just sat there the entire time. Not a word came out of my mouth. Even that judge, Patrick. Man, that (DELETED) judge -- and I`m sitting there before him that first time, I didn`t say a thing, you know? And the second time, the session`s over and the judge says, Do you have anything to say? And I said, I`d really like to go home. That was good. If I hadn`t gotten that, I`d have gotten 30 days. And the judge says, yes, but you`re not telling the truth. And I said, I`m not telling the truth? I have nothing to say. But then he told me, I think you know more. That`s what the judge said to me. And I`m thinking, This really isn`t going well.

PATRICK VAN DER EEM (through translator): This guy really knows what he`s doing. Did he weigh her down to make sink?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. I don`t think so.

VAN DER EEM: You don`t even know that?

VAN DER SLOOT: No.

VAN DER EEM: Did he ever tell you how he did it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course he did.

VAN DER EEM: How did he do it, then?

VAN DER SLOOT: He just went out into the sea further and he just dumped her.

VAN DER EEM: He just threw her overboard, just like that? You`ve been really lucky, you know? No (DELETED. You`ve really been lucky.

VAN DER SLOOT: That`s what I say, I`ve been very lucky.

VAN DER EEM: Really lucky that he has been so stupid to do this, you know?

VAN DER SLOOT: I was even able to sleep that night. I just went home and went to bed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Just went home and went to bed after Natalee`s body was thrown into the ocean. That was video from ABC "20/20." It`s Joran Van Der Sloot, completely emotionless about 18-year-old Natalee Holloway dumped at sea, according to him. Earlier, it was him mocking the justice system.

I want to go to straight out to Tracy Sabo, CNN senior producer. And then we`ll be joined by Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway, and the man who brainstormed this entire confession, Peter De Vries.

First, Tracy, I understand that Joran Van Der Sloot finally speaking to authorities. Tell me about it.

TRACY SABO, CNN PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. Today we learned that he was questioned again by three Aruban investigators who flew all the way to Holland. There`s contradictory information there on who actually asked for this meeting. The prosecution says Joran himself had asked to speak to them. Attorneys for Van Der Sloot say that the investigators asked him. But nonetheless, it happened today in Holland, and we are told by Joran`s attorneys that he agreed to answer any questions that they might have. But what came out of that, we`re still waiting to hear.

GRACE: Straight out to Natalee`s father joining us tonight, Dave Holloway. And we all feel like we know Dave Holloway because we have thought of him, prayed for him and his family throughout this entire ordeal. Dave, what good is anything Van Der Sloot says now? I mean, he`s given so many different versions of what happened that night.

HOLLOWAY: Well, I just hope that he comes clean this time. This is his last chance, Nancy. I just hope that he comes clean. He`s got an account to settle, and I hope he settles it on this earth this time. If he doesn`t, you know, God bless him.

GRACE: You know what, Dave? You`ve got a pure heart. Let me prepare you. He`s not going to come clean. He`s not going to tell the truth. He`s told so many different versions of what happened. But do you believe, Dave, at this juncture, after this secretly taped confession, he`s got to either say, I was lying when I was on tape, or she died, your daughter, died of some type of a convulsion and (INAUDIBLE) Is he locked into that statement?

HOLLOWAY: I`d be surprised if he tells the truth this time. I think his pattern is the same pattern, try and lie and get his way out of it. He`s tried to avoid this justice system for a long time, and you know, it - - I`m afraid it`s going to come back and haunt him some day.

GRACE: Dave, did you learn anything additionally from the Dutch version of this interview, as opposed to what we heard here in America?

HOLLOWAY: There was a few discrepancies. One of them was that she was foaming at the mouth, which would indicate possible use of GHB. On the other, there was an indication that Joran was slipped a cell phone by his father while he was in prison.

GRACE: He got a cell phone from his father, the former judge, while he was in prison? For what, Dave?

HOLLOWAY: I guess to communicate on what answers or whatever. I`m really not sure. That was the Dutch version, and I think Peter De Vries could answer that...

GRACE: Right.

HOLLOWAY: ... a lot more clearly than I could.

GRACE: And let me go to Peter De Vries. Everyone, we have seen Peter De Vries briefly on other networks. Here he is with us tonight, talking your calls live. Mr. De Vries masterminded this plan to crack the case of Natalee Holloway`s disappearance. Mr. De Vries, Thank you for being with us.

Mr. De Vries, how did you get the idea to do this to start with?

DE VRIES: Well, because the case was still unsolved, and that amazes me because Joran lied a couple of times, established lies. And the whole case happened on, let`s say, 500 square meters on the beach. So I thought it must be possible to solve this case.

GRACE: Now, you are kind of the Dutch version of crime fighting, correct?

DE VRIES: Yes. That`s right.

GRACE: And so you have instinctively, for all these years you`ve been having your show, an interest in the outcome of unsolved homicides, missing people cases.

DE VRIES: That`s right. I`m a crime reporter for 30 years now, and I`ve been investigating almost 500 murder cases and disappearances.

GRACE: Whew! We have a lot of common, sir. Let me ask you something. You have very carefully reviewed this tape over and over and over. This was your idea. You had it executed at great expense, some say danger to you, as a matter of fact. Do you really believe -- do you really believe a perfectly healthy young girl, Natalee Holloway, with no history of drug use, no history that she had used drugs that night, no history of epilepsy, would go out on a beach and suddenly go into convulsions and die?

DE VRIES: I agree with you that`s very hard to believe. Young people just don`t die from drinking too much. So it`s hard to believe. But I don`t have any evidence of anything else, so this is the story...

GRACE: What about it, Dave Holloway? What do you make of it? And later on in his confession, this secretly taped video, he says, I hope they never find her body because if nay do, I`ll be in deep -- expletive. So if finding her body would land him in jail, why, if he hadn`t done anything wrong?

HOLLOWAY: Well, you and I have discussed that before. You know, when you go into a panic, which he said he did, the first thing you think of is call an ambulance. And with him choosing the alternative of getting rid of her, something else happened.

GRACE: Let`s go to...

HOLLOWAY: And I believe it was possible date rape drug used and a possible rape and murder.

GRACE: Back to Peter De Vries, Dutch investigative journalist joining us live. And we`re about to start taking your calls. Mr. De Vries, was there a difference? Did he ever say Natalee foamed at the mouth?

DE VRIES: Natalee what?

GRACE: Had foam coming from her mouth.

DE VRIES: No, no, no. He denied that.

GRACE: He denied that.

DE VRIES: Yes. Patrick asked him that, was there foam out of the mouth, and he denied it. No, he said, I didn`t see it.

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.

GRACE: Let`s go out to the lines. Martha in Tennessee. Hi, Martha.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. How are you?

GRACE: I`m fine, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was wondering if there was a possibility that Natalee could have had alcohol poisoning from that last big shot that he said he gave her of, like, 85 proof or something before he took her out to the beach.

GRACE: Let`s go out to Dr. Howard Adelman. He`s a former medical examiner and forensic pathologist. He is the author of "Forensic Medicine." Doctor, thank you for being with us. Don`t have to drink an inordinately large amount of alcohol to get alcohol poisoning and die?

DR. HOWARD ADELMAN, FORMER MEDICAL EXAMINER: Yes, you have to drink an awful lot of alcohol. And alcohol tends to make you sleepy, and so more comatose than active and have seizure activity. This seems to be more of a drug-related reaction.

GRACE: Yes, if it happened at all. That`s a good question, Martha.

To you, Peter De Vries. I noticed you shaking your head when Martha from Tennessee asked the question. What do you think about this theory of alcohol poisoning?

DE VRIES: No, I don`t believe that. Maybe she drank too much. That`s possible. But I don`t believe she died just from drinking too much alcohol.

GRACE: (INAUDIBLE) ridiculous! And another thing -- to Art Harris, investigative journalist. Art, why is it that we`re all doing backbends, contortions to make his account true, when obviously, Natalee was a healthy young person? What more can you tell us as of right now? I`m very interested in what Van Der Sloot has to say to the Dutch investigators. They`re grilling him probably about right now.

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, one of the questions, Nancy, is going to be, What did you do with those shoes? Did he possibly use the shoes to hold her down? You know, why did he throw them away? Anything that can fill in the gaps to this very implausible story is what they`re looking for.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Janet in Maryland. Hi, Janet.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, Nancy. I`d like to ask you, watching some of the tapes of Joran to Patrick, I noticed that this -- to me, his face, his demeanor changed when it was talking about disposing of the body to that person that he got to get the boat. It seems like, all of a sudden, he didn`t trust Patrick. And I wonder if he deliberately give them a red herring to throw them off.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: ... so interesting that you use the phrase "red herring" because when I first heard the mention of Daury, I said, That`s a red herring.

To Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author. Bethany, she is right. He paused. He wouldn`t tell. He wouldn`t give it up. Then he later on gave up the name Daury. He did have different body language. Explain, Bethany.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Janet is right. I mean, Joran Van Der Sloot can`t tell the truth even when he`s making a confession. And I think he thought that this insider, Patrick, was like a Don Corleone, the Mafia king, a "goodfella," and he wanted to impress him in some respects, but he still was afraid of getting into trouble in others. And you know, we talk so much on this show about sociopaths, how they have no conscience, no remorse, no anxiety about getting into trouble. This is our clinical vignette. This is what it looks like. This is what those words mean. This is a sociopath.

GRACE: To Peter De Vries. Everyone, Peter De Vries is a Dutch investigative journalist who has devoted much of his life to reporting on crime, murders, who masterminded the discovery, the creation of this taped confession secretly recorded of Joran Van Der Sloot. Also with us tonight, Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway.

Question to you, Peter. Where does the father, Van Der Sloot`s father, fit into this? Somebody had to help him. Peter?

DE VRIES: Yes, somebody had to help him, and we don`t know who it is. He claimed that it was Daury. And I agree that -- I think he`s protecting somebody else by mentioning that name. But we don`t know who it is. What we do know is that Joran told that his father smuggled a cell phone into the prison when he was arrested.

GRACE: So we know the father will break the rules.

DE VRIES: If Joran is telling the truth...

GRACE: If you believe Joran Van Der Sloot.

DE VRIES: ... yes, he is. Yes.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HOLLOWAY: I saw what I saw, you know, a person who had no emotions, no respect for human life at all. He deprived Natalee of a proper funeral. You know, he deprived us of her livelihood and grandchildren and whatever. And he also deprived a lot of the citizens of Aruba and Holland of many things. He was self-centered and only looking after himself.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: You are hearing the voice of Dave Holloway, Natalee`s father, who is with us tonight. Right now, you`re seeing video, stunning video from the TV show "Pauw and Witteman (ph)." That`s a Dutch broadcaster, NPS (ph). You see Joran Van Der Sloot throwing wine into the face of Peter De Vries. De Vries masterminded the tape that catches Van Der Sloot confessing to being with Natalee Holloway at the time of her death, then disposing of her body in the ocean.

Peter, what do you recall about that moment on that show, when Joran Van Der Sloot, true to form, misbehaves?

DE VRIES: Yes, well, it was at the end of the show, I wasn`t paying any attention to him. And then he stood up, grabbed the glass of wine and threw it in my face because he was so frustrated about my asking all the time. And he tried to gain sympathy by the audience because the case was closed. He was released. He thought he was off the hook. He considered himself as a winner.

But during the show, I asked him, Why were you lying all the time? Why didn`t you answer simple questions? And he was very frustrated about that, and that`s the reason he threw me the glass of wine into my face.

GRACE: To Dave Holloway. This is Natalee`s father. If he would treat a grown man that way, what would he do to Natalee Holloway alone, late at night, out on a beach, in an isolated area?

HOLLOWAY: Well, you just saw it. You just saw the tip of the iceberg of his behavior. Beth saw it in the beginning. And we saw, all of America, in fact, all the world saw what type of person this individual is.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HOLLOWAY: I believe all the information he told us was true. I think when he got into the point he was questioned about the boat, and he said he`d have to take that name to his grave, I think that`s where he became a little bit reluctant and things tailed off. But I do believe the confession, without any doubt.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Joran Van Der Sloot offering to meet with Dutch police following caught-on-video confession.

With me tonight, Dave Holloway. This is Natalee`s father joining us. Also with us, and the man who masterminded the sting, Peter De Vries. Mr. De Vries, the theory came out in Joran Van Der Sloot`s confession that he wasn`t really sure Natalee was dead when she was thrown into the ocean that night. Were you shocked when you heard that?

DE VRIES: Yes, I was very shocked. Patrick was asking him, How can you be so sure that Natalee was dead? And then he said, Well, I wasn`t. She was just not moving anymore and she wasn`t thinking (ph) anymore. And so I thought she must be dead. And then he dumped her into the ocean, and yes, that`s really shocking.

GRACE: When you first saw this video -- I mean, I`m sure that Van Der Eem called you and told you what had been said before you saw it. But when you first saw it and you saw Joran Van Der Sloot giving this confession, what was your reaction?

DE VRIES: I was shocked by the way -- by the disrespect he talked about Natalee. He called her a (DELETED) and things like that.

GRACE: He called her a whore.

DE VRIES: Yes.

GRACE: He called her a (DELETED) for absolutely no reason.

DE VRIES: Yes.

GRACE: This girl had a sterling reputation.

DE VRIES: Yes, and he`s showing no remorse at all. He`s telling that he didn`t lose one second of sleep.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DE VRIES: Yes, I`m pretty convinced by that. Because it was not a slip of the tongue, what he did. He told -- he did a full confession on tape, not once, not twice but more than ten times. And he did -- there were some days between it. And they were very detailed, and so I`m convince that he told the truth.

Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence, and now he confessed that. And he told what he did with the body, and he told how he came home, what he did with his shoes. It`s the complete story.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Caught on tape. This is part of what Joran Van Der Sloot said on secretly recorded audio and videotapes masterminded by Dutch investigative reporter Peter De Vries. "What happened to her? What the `F` happened to her? I`m from Aruba. I know the beach."

"Joran: I`m telling you honestly, I know what happened to that girl."

"What happened then? She`s dead isn`t she?"

"Of course. The ocean`s big, isn`t it?"

"Of course the sea is big, man."

"Joran: I just think that I`m incredibly lucky she`s never been found, because if they found that girl, I`d be in deep expletive."

On and on, these two drive around for hours, hours, discussing so many issues of crime, but especially this.

"Joran, What have you done?"

"She looked sweet, you know, Patrick, she is just lying still. Still, she`s not doing anything."

He says, "What happened?"

"I don`t know."

"Did you try to resuscitate her?"

"Of course, I tried everything. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the bitch. I was like, what`s wrong with you, man. I almost wanted to cry. Why does this have to happen to me? Why does this have to happen to me all the time."

You know, to Dave Holloway, Natalee`s father, who is with us tonight, it makes me wonder why he said all the time. What else has happened to him? Did you have that thought, too?

HOLLOWAY: Nancy, it`s been all about him all along. He`s -- he`s hurt us tremendously and other families tremendously and some innocent people of Aruba. He has no remorse, no -- a total disregard for anyone else except for himself, even his own family. And it`s just shocking to me that someone could do this. It`s just...

GRACE: Dave, you have...

HOLLOWAY: I`m just still reeling from it.

GRACE: You have lived through so many versions that Joran Van Der Sloot has spouted off. What are some of the inconsistencies you know off the top of your head?

HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, you start from the beginning. They lie about where they dropped Natalee off.

GRACE: Right.

HOLLOWAY: And, you know, it just guys on and on and on. You know, there`s just so many -- so many different versions and so many different lies, all -- all about trying to protect themselves from going to jail. And, you know -- and it`s come to the point in time where I don`t think anyone can be in his corner at all. And -- and he`s put himself in that corner.

And we`ve just got to find out who this boat operator is and continue our search in Aruba. We`ve got a boat out there right now, that`s combing the ocean floor and -- to -- to find Natalee`s remains.

GRACE: You know, I think fathers and mothers all across this country that are hearing you right now are shuddering, Dave, at the thought of being so far away from their child`s remains and sending boats out to troll the ocean to try to find her. You`ve never given up.

To Peter De Vries, when you heard this, when you saw this -- everyone, De Vries masterminded these secretly-recorded tapes. And we are taking your calls live tonight.

After you saw this, you realized you had to tell the parents. How hard was that, Peter?

DE VRIES: That`s, of course, very hard. I`m an experienced crime reporter for 30 years. But it`s always hard to tell parents what happened to their children, and when they are missing or murdered or raped and -- well, that`s very hard. And Beth was very emotional when I told her.

GRACE: You know, I thought I understood it, representing victims for so many years in court. But now that I have my own two children, I just -- I don`t know how you -- you do that. It must be very, very hard.

DE VRIES: It`s the most difficult part of the job.

GRACE: Let`s go out to the lines. Pauline in California.

Hi, Pauline.

CALLER: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

CALLER: If she was alive when she hit the water, would the water have woke her up?

GRACE: Well, I think we would have to know, wouldn`t we, Dr. Adelman, what was wrong? If she had passed out, if she was in some type of a seizure, she may never have come to.

ADELMAN: That`s true. Without a body, we`re at an extreme disadvantage. Because there`s no way of knowing what actually happened with her.

GRACE: To the attorneys, Doug Burns and Mickey Sherman. Mickey, without a body, it`s going to be very difficult to prove a murder took place. Do we have to take Joran Van Der Sloot`s word for it that she suddenly died of a seizure?

MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: But that`s not going to get them, you know, home. And that`s the problem. You know, the tape, which is excellent -- I`ve got to congratulate Mr. De Vries. I mean, just the technical quality is amazing and the fact that he clearly had no idea he was being videotaped.

Unfortunately, though, however, he doesn`t say, "I killed her." And I hate to say that so clearly to her dad here. But he doesn`t admit killing. And that`s -- that`s a problem. And also, he lies about other things. And he has his lawyers now in a very unenviable position of saying, "No, don`t believe my client, because he`s lying about this and he`s lying about that."

GRACE: All right.

SHERMAN: That`s the problem.

GRACE: So, Doug, you don`t have to have a body to go forward with a murder case, and you don`t have to have a confession, therefore. But what we need to go forward is somebody else he talked to.

DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You don`t need that. You`re absolutely right. And I think, Mickey, honestly, you hit it on the head. His quote about, "Man, if they had found the body, I would be in deep" whatever expletive he used, that is a huge thing we have to latch on. And the other point is getting this boat operator. That`s the key.

GRACE: Back to Peter De Vries -- De Vries, responsible for masterminding the scheme that caught Van Der Sloot on tape. Peter, honestly, what do you think will happen now? We Americans don`t get that the Dutch authorities have not pursued this further. I mean, they`re just executing search warrants now, nearly three years later to get his laptops or his computer? That doesn`t even make sense to us. We want search warrants now. We want justice now.

And I don`t understand it. Do you really think he will ever see a court of law, Peter?

DE VRIES: Yes. I am convinced he will finally stand on trial, really, believe me.

GRACE: Why?

DE VRIES: Because the Dutch and the Aruban police and investigators are really very busy with it. And...

GRACE: Why did this judge refuse to issue an arrest warrant?

DE VRIES: Well, that`s a technical law thing in the Dutch law. It`s not easy, but that`s the way it is.

GRACE: You`re telling me.

DE VRIES: He will stand trial.

GRACE: You believe that?

DE VRIES: I believe that.

GRACE: You believe it. Bernie -- what, what?

DE VRIES: Yes, maybe not next month, but he will.

GRACE: To Bernie in New York. Hi, Bernie.

CALLER: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good. What`s your question?

CALLER: Nancy, do the police know who this Daury character is? I`m assuming he`s the one that drove the boat to get the body in the water?

GRACE: Well, they do. I`ll throw that one to you, Art Harris. Explain Daury.

HARRIS: Well, Daury was the so-called friend he picked to blame helping him carry the body to the boat. The Daury he named, however, has an alibi. He was in Holland at the time. There is another Daury, I understand, who is being ruled in or out, but most people don`t think it`s Daury.

GRACE: What about that, Peter? Is there another Daury?

DE VRIES: Yes, sure there is. Because the Daury who is in the news now is not mentioned by Joran. It`s the wrong Daury. So...

GRACE: So there is another Daury?

DE VRIES: There is another Daury, yes.

GRACE: OK. I just got to ask you why you think this will end in court? Because I`m afraid it`s over. If they haven`t arrested him now, will they ever?

DE VRIES: They are working on it. A lot of suspect circumstances.

GRACE: I want to ask you very quickly before we go to break. A lot of people have attacked you, saying you crossed journalistic bounds by doing this. I say they`re just jealous they didn`t think of it first.

DE VRIES: I`m saying so what? I did. I did what was needed. That`s what I did.

GRACE: You certainly did.

With us now, taking your calls, Mr. Peter De Vries and Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway.

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When we come back, in addition to the Natalee Holloway story, Amber Alert. A 5-year-old boy kidnapped from his own driveway, Austin, Texas. Where is 5-year-old Adrian, and why was he taken?

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(NEWSBREAK)

GRACE: Joran Van Der Sloot says he was with Natalee Holloway when she died, that he helped dispose of her body and that she might not even have been dead while he was doing so. It`s all on video from a hidden camera. So how in the world could he be still free?

Well, Van Der Sloot spent the day being questioned by Dutch investigators and budged (ph) to answer any question. And you can bet, many of those focused on the tapes of him discussing his night with Holloway.

Before we go to Texas and the search for 5-year-old Adrian Jaimes, back to the calls on the Natalee Holloway case. With me, Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway.

Out to the lines -- Jackie (ph) in Wisconsin. Hi, Jackie (ph).

CALLER: Hi, Nancy. My question is, is Joe Tacopina still Joran Van Der Sloot`s lawyer and, if so, has he released any kind of statement about this?

GRACE: Jackie, I can answer that one for you. Yes, he is the States lawyer, United States lawyer, and he says Van Der Sloot made it all up, that it was just a big lie.

To T.J. Ward. What do you think investigators will get out of Van Der Sloot tonight? He is there being questioned.

T.J. WARD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, I hope they`re asking him the questions to try to confirm some of the information. The mere fact, I think, that he needs to talk about and the Dutch authorities need to talk about, arresting him for concealing a death, I mean, for starters.

I mean, he`s obviously, the statements that he`s made on tape warrants the application for concealing a death. He said he dumped the body and brought a boat in. And now they could get somebody for conspiracy of bringing a boat in. His intentions to dispose of the body is very, very clear in this whole conversation about the interview.

GRACE: I agree. T.J. Ward joining us, private investigator who worked with the Holloway family.

To Dave Holloway, Natalee`s father, what do you make of it when Peter De Vries says Joran Van Der Sloot will face trial?

HOLLOWAY: Peter must know something I -- that I don`t know. There must be a lot more information that he`s withheld for obvious reasons. And I think -- I think he and I both have very good confidence that this case is going to move forward.

You know, Nancy, our mission is we`re working in the ocean and if any of the viewers are interested in following along, they can go to Ken Miller, Texas EquuSearch`s Web site, click on a link, and you will see what a great job these guys are doing not the ocean.

GRACE: Dave, how do you stay so composed when you discuss Natalee`s death and disappearance?

HOLLOWAY: You just have to get yourself primed up for it, Nancy. There have been a lot of tough times away from the camera that is very tough.

We`ve got some serious things ahead of us. You know, I`ve got two young -- two young daughters that still believe in Santa Claus, and they`ve put up Natalee`s little stocking. And they still have hope. And you know, we`ve got that ahead of us.

GRACE: You know, I just realized for the first time that I have been now talking about, not Natalee`s disappearance but Natalee`s death and disappearance, because this tape seemed to make it -- I don`t know why. It made it so much more real. Did it do that to you, as well?

HOLLOWAY: You know, I had a pretty good idea what was -- what had happened. That`s the reason we`re out in the ocean, and Peter confirmed that for us. And you know, and I took it. And you know, it`s been tough.

You know, but I wasn`t prepared for the attitude of this kid towards Natalee. That`s -- that`s been the toughest part for me. I just can`t believe a human being can be that cruel and inhumane towards another person.

GRACE: You know, it`s funny that it struck you that way. I mean, odd. It did the same thing to me. Because I already believed he was responsible for her death, but to hear him speak of her and call her a bitch and a whore the way he did, I don`t know why. That just added insult to injury.

With us tonight is Dave Holloway. This is Natalee`s father. Dave, thank you very much for speaking with us tonight and talking the calls. Thank you very much.

HOLLOWAY: Thank you.

GRACE: Everyone, on to another missing child, this one only 5 years old. Won`t you help? Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE (voice-over): An Amber Alert is out for a 5-year-old boy kidnapped from his driveway as his family was getting into their car. Police in Austin say three teenagers in white hooded sweatshirts took Adrian Jaimes this morning. He reportedly tried to fight off his abductors. But he`s just 4-feet-tall, only 50 pounds. He could not get away. The kidnappers took off in a gray or silver Volkswagen Jetta. Police say this was not a random kidnapping.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Where is 5-year-old Adrian? Let`s go straight out to Emily Trube with KLBJ Radio 590 AM, joining us our of Austin.

What happened, Emily?

EMILY TRUBE, KLBJ RADIO: Good evening, Nancy.

Police are still trying to figure out exactly what happened. They were telling us this afternoon that they have received up to 30 tips about the possible location of this vehicle.

But the Texas Department of Transportation and Texas Department of Safety, rather, I should say, they`re not taking any chances. And they have put up bulletin boards up and down the highway between Austin and the Mexico border, alerting people not only to the little boy but the car that he may still be in with these three young men, asking folks to call if they have any information.

GRACE: Also joining us, the PIO with the Austin Police Department, Joe Munoz. Joe, thank you for being with us. What are the circumstances surrounding the little boy`s disappearance?

JOE MUNOZ, AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT: Well, right now, where it would stand, we are getting a lot of public assistance. We`ve received over 165 phone calls from citizens of Austin, saying they have seen the suspected vehicle.

GRACE: What happened this morning? What happened?

MUNOZ: Well, what happened was the young man was getting ready to go to school, went outside. Mother got in the car, his 10-year-old sister got in the front seat, and almost immediately, the suspect vehicle pulled up. Two remained in the car. Two of the suspects got out, opened the back door, and forced the young man out of the -- out of his family vehicle.

GRACE: The little boy was on his way to school, right?

MUNOZ: That is correct.

GRACE: What`s the description?

MUNOZ: The description of the young man? Or...

GRACE: No, the perpetrators.

MUNOZ: The perpetrators are described as Hispanic males in their late teens. There are four of them. Two remained in the car. One stayed outside of the vehicle as a lookout. And one of them was the individual that was -- actually pulled him out by force.

The -- little Adrian fought off, attempted to fight them off, but he was unsuccessful.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Where is 5-year-old Adrian Jaimes? He was taken out of his car this morning around 7:40 a.m. with his mom driving him to school, right there in his own driveway. Tip line, 512-477-3588. Please help find this little boy.

Straight out to Joe Munoz, public information officer of the Austin Police Department. Joe, why do you believe this family, this little boy was targeted?

MUNOZ: Well, we -- that`s a good question. I think right now we`re funneling all our attention to the safe return of the young man and the why`s will come later. We have a lot of information coming in, and we`re looking into every avenue that`s come across our desk. So, you know, it`s just a matter of time that the right information will come in.

As I mentioned earlier, we`ve already gotten 165 phone calls into our communications, stating how -- that they`ve seen...

GRACE: Right.

MUNOZ: ... the suspected vehicle. So we`re looking into everything.

GRACE: To Emily Trube from KLBJ Radio, 590 AM. There is a voiced concern that the kidnappers are talking the little boy to Mexico. Why? Why would they do that?

TRUBE: I don`t think anybody necessarily knows the reason. Office Munoz knows.

But I would like to say, too, that something we found out today from the school district where Adrian and his older sister go to school is that the sister recognized one of the man from this morning from a few weeks ago, that they had been harassed by some men as they came home from school.

And the school district actually asked Adrian`s parents to find another way to get them home from school in the afternoon. They had been walking, because they live just a few blocks away.

So the little sister told authorities today that she did recognize one of those young men.

GRACE: Incredible. Who would harass two little children as young as 5 years old?

Again, the tip line: 512-477-3588.

Let`s stop and remember Army Captain Benjamin Tiffner, 31, Pigeon, West Virginia, killed, Iraq. Second tour, on one of the Special Forces tab (ph). Two Army commendations medals and a National Defense Service Medal. A West Point grad, he loved God, family, country, sports, hunting. Leaves behind parents and missionaries Timothy and June (ph), sisters Rebecca (ph) and Sarah (ph), brothers Joshua and Seth. Benjamin Tiffner, American hero.

Thank you to our guests, but most of all, to you for being with us. See you tomorrow night, 8 p.m. sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The mastermind behind catching Joran van der Sloot on tape is right here. Yes, you will hear from Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries. Now, Peter organized the hidden camera operation that busted Joran van der Sloot talking about Natalee Holloway. On tape, Joran says the night Natalee disappeared, she was unresponsive, shaking.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - TRANSLATED ON SCREEN)

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: All of a sudden, Patrick, like a movie, all the things she did.

PATRICK VAN DER EEM: Shaking?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, a lot. So I was, like, (DELETED), what's all this?

VAN DER EEM: Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course. I tried everything. I was shaking the (DELETED).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VAN SUSTEREN: So what did Joran do? He said he made his friend dump Natalee's body off a boat, though he was not sure if Natalee was even dead. How did Peter De Vries get Joran to talk? What else did Joran say that you didn't see? Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries joins us live in New York. Welcome, Peter.

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER: Hello, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Peter, you're world famous. Everybody knows you. But just to give a little introduction to our viewers, tell us a little bit about your show in Holland and your background, sir.

DE VRIES: Well, I'm a crime reporter for more than 30 years now, Greta. I wrote several true crime books, and my show runs now for 13 years, and we solve quite a lot of murders and disappearances.

VAN SUSTEREN: So when did you first get started on sort of the Joran van der Sloot case?

DE VRIES: Well, that must have been 18 months ago. We went to Aruba and we did an investigation there on the case. And well, there it started.

VAN SUSTEREN: How many times have you actually met Joran van der Sloot?

DE VRIES: I met him a couple of times, but he didn't want to talk to me. And I can understand why, because I was asking him tough questions.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So now let's talk about the taping. How did that come about? How did you do that? Who worked with you?

DE VRIES: Well, about six months ago, a guy named Patrick came up to me and he said, I'm a close friend of Joran. I met him in a casino and we became friends, and I don't trust his story about what happened that night on the beach. Is there anything I can do for you, he asked me. Well, I said, of course you can. And then we worked out a plan with the undercover camera operation.

VAN SUSTEREN: What -- how did you know Patrick?

DE VRIES: Well, Patrick came up to me because in Holland, it is known that I'm intrigued and interested in the disappearance of Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does Patrick do for a living? Who is he?

DE VRIES: Patrick is a businessman. He has his own business. He has a criminal record for 12 or 13 years ago. He was convicted for drugs possession. But after that, he became a respected businessman.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is his business, do you know?

DE VRIES: Yes, it's a technical thing. I don't know exactly what it is, but it's OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: And he met Joran in a casino?

DE VRIES: Yes, he met Joran in a casino. They both like to play poker. They both speak Papiamento, and that's how they contacted each other.

VAN SUSTEREN: So how did -- if you know, how did Patrick befriend him and get him to start talking to him?

DE VRIES: Well, that's a long process. In the beginning, Patrick pretends that he wasn't interested in the whole Natalee story. And when Joran wants to talk about it, he said, Well, I'm not interested. Keep it to yourself. It's your business. And after a few months, when we were involved, he started to ask questions about the case, after Joran's second arrest.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

VAN SUSTEREN: What -- in terms of the high tech -- I mean, I've seen these tapes, and actually, the quality is quite good. Who set up the cameras inside? How was that done?

DE VRIES: My program did it. We often work with undercover cameras. We are very experienced in that. And we were thinking where, Would Joran talk about his knowledge in the Natalee case? Not in his home. That would be a legal, a law problem for us. Not in a restaurant or a cafe. But he will feel safe in a car. And that's why we provided our man, Patrick, with a Range Rover car, and well, we equipped it with the latest sound and cameras.

VAN SUSTEREN: How much tape do you have? How many minutes or hours do you think total?

DE VRIES: Oh, we have in total, I think, 20 hours. But quite a lot of the 20 hours is spent with man talk about football, girls and things like that. And a couple of hours, they were talking about Natalee's case.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the 20 hours, that's over how many different days? I mean, is that one very long trip, or is it broken up into a number of trips?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's an important question, Greta. It's not just one conversation. It's not a slip of the tongue. We have been recording five days. So several moments, several days, and sometimes a week between it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was he smoking marijuana? Because at least it seemed that -- maybe I'm wrong, but it looked like he was smoking marijuana, or smoking something.

DE VRIES: Yes, Joran was smoking pot sometimes. That's his daily routine. He wasn't pushed to it by our guy, Patrick. We didn't aim for that. It's his daily routine. He has been writing about that in his book, too.

VAN SUSTEREN: And the marijuana laws are a little different in Holland, or at least in Amsterdam?

DE VRIES: Oh, yes, it's not illegal in Holland. It's not a crime. You can smoke pot if you like, no problem.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the actual taping, and we've heard different snippets of it, after you had the tape in the can, did you ever contact Joran and say, Well, we have this tape?

DE VRIES: No, we didn't because we had a couple of hours on tape, so there was nothing to ask because he told the whole story. It was a full confession on tape.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know how he found out about the fact that you had a camera?

DE VRIES: Yes. He learned that from television.

VAN SUSTEREN: And has he ever tried to contact you or say -- because now he's saying, of course, publicly, that that was a big lie, that he was just lying.

DE VRIES: Yes. What else could he say, Greta? Because otherwise, he's going in jail. So that's the only thing he can say, of course.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where were they driving in all those -- in the tapes we've seen?

DE VRIES: Oh, they were just cruising around.

VAN SUSTEREN: Just got in the car and go for a ride? They weren't going, like, out to casinos or going cross-country or anything like that?

DE VRIES: Yes, they were going cross-country, looking for a building and things like that.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the actual conversation with Joran, some of it -- I mean, some of it seems a little bit prodding. For instance, I'm actually concerned with the part where it says that she was shaking. That's a very -- it may be an important part of the investigation. In the tape that we see, Patrick seems to suggest the shaking. I went over our transcript today. Am I wrong on that?

DE VRIES: I didn't understand that quite well.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did -- let me back up then. What does Joran say about Natalee the night that she died?

DE VRIES: Well, what he is saying is that he was on the beach with her and that she suddenly did like this, and then he panicked. And he said, Well, she died at that moment. She wasn't ticking (ph) anymore. And then he found his friend, and he wanted to get rid of the body. And they brought her into a boat, and then she was disposed into the ocean.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, there's a lot of rumors coming out of Aruba, as you might imagine. One thing I'm hearing tonight, that we had Daury Rodriguez on last night, who was the person who's actually identified on the tapes. But now there's a suggestion that there might be another Daury. Do you know, if there's another Daury?

DE VRIES: Yes, Daury Rodriguez is not the guy mentioned by Joran. It's another guy. He's in the news. I know that. But he's not the guy who was mentioned by Joran.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Where is this other guy mentioned by Joran, who helped, according to Joran, dispose of the body?

DE VRIES: Well, we don't know. The police investigators are looking for him. But I'm not quite sure if Daury is really Joran's helper because the first day, when he was talking about his helper, Joran said, I will never, ever mention his name. I will take that into my grave. And then the next day, when our man, Patrick, was pushing a little bit on that and telling him, Well, who was it, you can trust me, then he mentioned the name Daury. But I think he's protecting somebody else.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And do you know who that somebody else is? I mean, do you have any sort of -- besides just sort of a gut reaction, do you have anything independent to suggest who it might really be?

DE VRIES: Well, that's hard to say. Then I'm starting speculating, and well, I might not do that.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Peter, stand by because we have much more with you in a few moments. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries is still here with us. Peter, I got an e-mail question from Julia Renfro, who's the editor- in-chief of Aruba Today, and she asked this question, which I think is a good one. "How did you know Joran was lying when others were inclined to believe him?"

Now, I guess it's a little bit of a slap at me because I said I was inclined to believe him after I met with him. But nonetheless, it's a good question. I mean, what made you right from the get-go not believe him?

DE VRIES: Well, I have been doing some investigation on the spot, on Aruba, and I read the files and I spoke to people who were involved. And well, I'm an experienced crime reporter. And almost from the beginning, I didn't believe his story. And there were some established lies about Natalee dropping at the Holiday Inn hotel, the way he came home, the story about the shoes. It was too much to believe.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, let me just -- let me go to this press conference, Peter, if you can hold off for a second, in Kirkwood, Missouri. The police are talking about this shooting.

(KIRKWOOD POLICE NEWS CONFERENCE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Let's go back to Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries, who is still with us. Peter, I want to focus now for a second on the guy who supposedly assisted in tossing the body off the boat. What efforts are being made, if you know, by the police to locate him?

DE VRIES: Well, the Dutch police is very busy with the investigation. That's what I understood. And they are looking for this guy, whoever it may be.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, do you have confidence in the Dutch police and the Aruba police in terms of this investigation?

DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team. I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I'm confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.

VAN SUSTEREN: And boy talk, as you described it, or guy talk or something.

DE VRIES: And boy talk, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

DE VRIES: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: What about an arrest? Did they mention anything about -- you know that there was an effort to try to arrest Joran van der Sloot. The judge turned them down. It's now on appeal. Do you have any more information on that?

DE VRIES: No, what I know now is that Joran van der Sloot made a statement to the police investigators today. I don't know what he said, but there was a statement. And well, that's a great development because until now, Joran van der Sloot refused to talk to the police and didn't say a word. So now he's talking, and let's hope that he is answering all the questions.

VAN SUSTEREN: What prompted him to toss that wine in your face on that TV show? Did you say something to him, or what was that all about?

DE VRIES: Oh, he was frustrated about me because I was asking questions all the time, and I was saying -- I was telling the audience that Joran lied several times, that he couldn't answer simple questions, and that he was always keeping silent to the police. And well, that frustrated him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you already have in the can the tape and know what was on the tape, or was that -- or didn't you at that point?

DE VRIES: Pardon?

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you already have your tape completed at that time, the undercover tape?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. It wasn't completed. The undercover operation was running at that moment.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Both his parents -- were they both present for that?

DE VRIES: Yes, they were present. Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Joran's parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?

DE VRIES: After the show, they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother. She loves her son, but she doesn't know what he is doing, I think. And well, his father, I have some special thoughts about him.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And I hope you'll come back, Peter, as you develop more information on those special thoughts, if, indeed, you get some more information on them. Peter, you're always welcome back here. So thank you, Peter.

DE VRIES: OK. You're welcome, Greta.


 
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Nancy Grace Feb 8/08 "I Want to Kill Him" TRANSCR

Nancy Grace
February 8, 2008

Guest: Beth Holloway

I want to kill him, I want to kill him, I mean, and peel his skin off his face.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. It was the case that couldn`t be cracked for three long years. Aruban police claimed they couldn`t make a case against a former judge`s son, Joran Van Der Sloot. But tonight: A reporter does what the entire Aruban government couldn`t or wouldn`t do, crack the case of 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway, missing from a high school senior trip to Aruba 2005. Well, months of high-tech secret surveillance solves the mystery and proves what happened the night Holloway disappeared. After a stunning confession caught on video, as we go to air, investigators grilling former judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot, last seen with Natalee Holloway.
Tonight, bombshell. Van Der Sloot`s defense -- are you sitting down? -- just hours ago, he announces he was high on pot during his stunning confession caught on video. Was Holloway thrown into choppy ocean waters late that night still alive? And why did an Aruban judge refuse to sign an arrest warrant?

Tonight Natalee Holloway`s mother, Beth Holloway, with us live. And tonight, more of that secretly videotaped confession from suspect Joran Van Der Sloot, who literally talks for days.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An Aruban court should decide this weekend whether to re-arrest Joran Van Der Sloot, the former suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran Van Der Sloot grilled over the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, investigators demanding for a second day that he explain those hidden camera recordings. On the video, he details his night with Holloway in Aruba and how helped get rid of the body. But he insists it was all a lie and he had nothing to do with her disappearance. Joran Van Der Sloot remains free and claims he was high on marijuana when making that apparent video confession.

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Let`s go out to CNN senior producer Tracy Sabo joining us. Tracy, what happened today?

TRACY SABO, CNN PRODUCER: Well, we`re told that Joran was questioned in Rotterdam by at least three Aruban police investigators who flew to Holland, as well as members of the Netherlands national police force. We`re told it lasted about two hours only, and Van Der Sloot`s lawyer was present. And what I`ve been able to learn from that interrogation so far is that, first and foremost, Joran Van Der Sloot continues to deny to investigators that he had any involvement whatsoever in Natalee`s disappearance. And he is deferring to his earlier statements that he left Natalee alone on the beach that night and that the last he saw her, she was alive.

And he went on further, as you mentioned, saying that during these conversations in the car with this undercover investigator, he was under the influence of marijuana, which may have led to these statements, and clearly says that there was smoke that could be seen in the car. So that is the latest story and what we`re hearing from what came of the interrogations today in Holland.

GRACE: Back to Tracy Sabo, CNN senior producer. abut Tracy, that doesn`t even make any sense because what we saw on video -- and we`re about to show you more of that secretly video audio tape of Joran Van Der Sloot confessing to being with Natalee the night she died -- this wasn`t all in one night, everybody. This was taken over months and months, weeks of driving around, yes, smoking pot. And he stuck with the same story for weeks on end. He mentioned being there on the beach when Natalee went into convulsions 10 separate times, Tracy Sabo. It`s not as if he got high and drunk on one occasion and came up with a fabrication. This was something, a story he maintained over months.

SABO: That`s true. That`s what we`ve been told. And another interesting thing to point out is when these videotapes first surfaced, it was clearly a surprise to Joran Van Der Sloot, and his first defense was to call in to a local Dutch television broadcast. And he said publicly on the air that he was lying, he made this up because he knew that this Dutch crime reporter wanted something, and so he made up some lies to give him something to investigate. But clearly today, we`re hearing a different story. He`s now saying that in some capacity, didn`t know of what he was speaking, and that he was under the influence at the time.

GRACE: Out to Art Harris, investigative reporter, who`s been investigating the case. Art, how long was he under questioning today? And do you believe that the Dutch authorities got anywhere with him?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, Nancy, it was about a two- hour investigation. And the good news is that you have the Dutch national police involved with the Aruban police -- great oversight. They`re like the Dutch FBI, excellent investigators.

And you know, something -- the pressure is on. They searched a couple of locations, took hard drives from one computer, at least. And so they`re serious. They`re pressing the ground here.

GRACE: They`re serious. You said they`re serious. They`re serious three years later and they search his grandmother`s house? For all I know, he bought an iPod and an Apple notebook one year ago, and they`re just seizing it? That`s serious to you, Art Harris?

HARRIS: They appear to be serious, Nancy. I have a lot more confidence in the Dutch national police, though, than we`ve seen from the Aruban police.

GRACE: Well, I`ve got a lot more confidence in the reporter that hooked up with Van Der Eem and got this secretly recorded tape. Before we go to Natalee`s mother, who`s with me here in the studio, take a listen to what Joran Van Der Sloot said when police weren`t listening.

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JORAN VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): And she just came down from on top of the bar. She just came up to me.

PATRICK VAN DER EEM (through translator): Who?

VAN DER SLOOT: Natalee. Come take a jelly shot off me. So the whore jumped on the bar, and she wanted me to take a jelly shot out of her navel. I did it. Then she says, So now you have to buy me a drink. So I said, What do you want? She says, What`s good? I say, A shot of Bacardi 151. She says, OK, that`s fine.

So she takes a shot of Bacardi 151. She takes it, and right away she goes, Whoo, bam -- 151 proof, you know, 151 proof, that is. That`s 75 percent alcohol. So she asks for a chaser. She`s drunk, really drunk. What I was thinking, I`ll just take the girl with me. We`ll go (DELETED). So I say, What do you want to do?? You want to go to your hotel? I`ll just go with her to her hotel. That`s the best thing to do. She says, No, no, no, I don`t want to go to my own hotel.

VAN DER EEM: She`s just lying still?

VAN DER SLOOT: Still, still. She`s not doing anything.

He says, What happened? I said, I don`t know either, man.

VAN DER EEM: Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course! I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the (DELETED). I was, like, What`s wrong with you, man? I almost wanted to cry. What (DELETED) happening?

I said to him, This is impossible. He took the boat. He went far out, and he threw her over the side. Then he came back and he docked his boat there. And he came by my house for a bit.

VAN DER EEM: At night?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Then we talked for a bit, and he says to me, You know, it`s all good. She`s going to be missing, they`re going to search, but they`re not going to know a thing.

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GRACE: It`s all good. It`s all good. That`s what Van Der Sloot has to say. That`s video from ABC`s "20/20" of Van Der Sloot, emotionless, and he is describing what happened the night Natalee went missing.

With me here on the set is a lady that has been an inspiration to thousands of people. Not only has she never given up in the search for justice for her daughter, Natalee Holloway, but she is now a child`s victims` rights advocate. With me tonight, Beth Holloway. This is Natalee`s mother. We are taking your calls live. Beth, thank you for being with us.

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: Do you ever just get completely worn out with talking about this? Does it rake up the coals every time you talk about it?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, I`ll be honest, Nancy. There was a time when, yes, it just -- I felt like, How can I continue to do this? And where am I going and what am I getting? I just felt like I wasn`t getting anywhere. But you know what? All that steady, constant, every day steps that we took, each one was well worth it because look where we are today. I never thought I`d see this time come to where you and I would be sitting here with such absolutely amazing revelations and information, you know, coming from Joran himself.

GRACE: When De Vries told you he had new evidence, did he tell you what it was, or did he just fly you over there and you saw it for the first time? Because I saw the video of you seeing it for the first time.

HOLLOWAY: Yes.

GRACE: And you were so composed. I believe that you had to know something because you were so composed as you were watching.

HOLLOWAY: Well, what he did was, he kind of -- it was great how he presented this. I mean, he first just contacted me initially and just asked me to come. You know, no questions asked. I just said, When do you want me there? And the next thing he did, which really was great, is he sat me down and explained to me about what I was going to see. He didn`t just hit me with it. He really did it an utmost professional manner possible. And I just think he just respected, you know, me as an individual and what I was about to hear.

So he did a step-by-step process, and then we went in to the actual viewing of the video. So I knew what I was going to see. He prepared me well for what I was about to see. But of course, you still can`t get the full scope of it because now I was able to see it and hear it.

GRACE: Exactly.

HOLLOWAY: But he was very considerate in how he presented it.

HOLLOWAY: I just want to ask you -- you know more than anybody, and I recall you and I talking, oh, gosh, now over a year ago, and you know so much more than the rest of us know about the investigation. What are the inconsistencies that you have seen in his various stories? I mean, I know he started off by telling you, I dropped her off at the Holiday Inn. Then he told somebody else he had sex with her on the beach. Then he just said, We caressed and she had convulsions and that she just died. There are so many inconsistencies.

HOLLOWAY: There are, but now that we`ve been able to hear these stunning admissions from Joran, we`ve been able to go back now and we can corroborate with some of the things that he`s admitting to Patrick, the informant in the car. We can bring it full circle and we can go back to the very beginning because it`s absolutely amazing some of the things that Joran is saying and admitting, even the condition that Natalee was in as he`s watching her suffer.

I mean, it`s stunning that 48 hours into Natalee`s disappearance, I was asked by an Aruban detective if Natalee has a history of seizures or epilepsy. And when -- and when I`m hearing Joran say that it looked like Natalee was having a seizure, and then he even -- what makes me sick and I want to come through the screen and kill him, when he imitates her, he imitates her as she`s suffering. And that`s in a video clip with Patrick.

GRACE: I didn`t see that.

HOLLOWAY: Yes, there`s one (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: I watched the whole "20/20" -- oh, I`m sorry, was it on the Dutch version?

HOLLOWAY: Yes, I`m sorry.

GRACE: You mean he mocked her, he imitated her having seizures?

HOLLOWAY: Yes. Yes. So he not only verbalizes it, he imitates it visually. So yes, there was -- yes, there were some clips that I saw in the Netherlands perhaps that may not have been on "20/20." There was a lot.

GRACE: Yes, I mean, they drove around for days and days and days.

HOLLOWAY: Right.

GRACE: And what we saw were portions of all these days put together when he was talking about Natalee`s death.

HOLLOWAY: Right. And I`m so glad you brought that out when you began your show, is that this was not one incident where Joran gave this admission to Patrick, as you said. This was repeatedly over time, these same specific details. So you reiterated that. You make it clear that this was not just a one-time admission from Joran.

GRACE: A one-time, high-as-a-kite...

HOLLOWAY: Right. No.

GRACE: ... confession. He maintained this over a period of months.

HOLLOWAY: Correct.

GRACE: So what you just pointed out is very important. At the very, very beginning, police asked you, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures?

HOLLOWAY: Right.

GRACE: And you didn`t know why they were asking. Do you now, in retrospect, believe that Joran Van Der Sloot told police that at the beginning?

HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, when you look at the facts, it`s pretty stunning that -- and when you have an investigator who asks you that question within the first 48 hours, when we go back, there were no other medical questions. I mean, he didn`t say, Does Natalee have diabetes, or Does Natalee have, you know, other medical issues.

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HOLLOWAY: That was the only one. And they only asked me once, and I told them no. But they asked Jug, asked him probably about a dozen times, and Jug had to come to me at least half a dozen sometimes, and I`d say, No. Why do they keep asking you that?

GRACE: No, no history. Out to the lines. Keren in Nevada. Hi, Keren.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. You are a gift from God.

GRACE: Thank you. Would you tell the defense bar that, please? Thank you. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have a comment and then a question. I don`t have a camcorder, but I would like to nominate Dave and Beth Holloway for extraordinary parents by proxy from Natalee. And my question is, since the Kalpoe brothers were also last seen with her and they lied initially that they had dropped her off, what do you think their motive was for lying in the beginning, if they had no part in this whatsoever?

GRACE: You know, that`s a really good point, Keren in Nevada, because many people believe that Joran Van Der Sloot`s confession on videotape completely exonerates the Kalpoe brothers. But she`s right, they did lie and say they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn.

HOLLOWAY: Well, several things come to mind when I think about that. And one, we have to go back to -- that Satish Joran were in Carlos and Charlie`s with Natalee, so we know that Joran was -- you know, that these individuals were in charge of Natalee`s drinks. They bought Natalee`s drinks. They paid for Natalee`s drinks. So we can`t help but wonder if the drug, the GHB, perhaps was given to her by one of them at that moment.

And secondly, Joran during his conversations with Patrick -- I think this kind of sums it up. They -- when Joran got together with Deepak and (INAUDIBLE) reached out to him to help him to establish that Holiday Inn drop-off, he even states that there was one thing that Joran was mad about was he had no idea -- and he used some very explicit terms to describe Natalee, the "F" and "B" word and all that...

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GRACE: ... called her a (DELETED) and a whore.

GRACE: But the biggest -- and he also said the biggest problem is he had no idea of the magnitude -- he had no idea that, you know, the "F-ing" mother would never shut up and would never -- would have brought this so global. They had no idea what they were stepping into, Nancy, they were stepping into -- no idea.

GRACE: We`ll be right back, everyone. With us, taking your calls live, Natalee`s mom, Beth Holloway.

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DAVE HOLLOWAY: He`s hurt us tremendously, other families tremendously, and some innocent people of Aruba. He has no remorse, no -- a total disregard for anyone else except for himself, even his own family. And it`s just shocking to me that someone can do this. It`s just -- I`m still reeling from it.

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DAVE HOLLOWAY: When you go into a panic, which he said he did, the first thing you think of is call an ambulance. And with him choosing the alternative of getting rid of her, something else happened. I believe it was a possible date rape drug he used and a possible rape and murder.

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GRACE: With me here on the set tonight, Natalee`s mother, Beth Holloway, is joining us live and she is taking your calls.

I want to go out to Jossy Mansur, managing director of the "Diario" magazine there in Aruba. Jossy, welcome. At this juncture, after the people of Aruba have seen Joran Van Der Sloot`s confession, as far as I see it -- and more, the Dutch version was much more in depth than what we saw here in America -- what is their response?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": Well, over here we find that he is guilty. Most of the people we`ve consulted, most of the people that have called us and have a reaction find that he was very articulate, that he didn`t seem to be under any kind of drug influence, that he was talking freely, that he collected his thoughts, so much so that he could describe in detail what happened when he was with Natalee and Natalee died in his arms, and that he called a friend and threw her in the ocean. The people of Aruba now are very, very irritated with this character, so much so that the minister of justice today declared him persona non grata in Aruba.

GRACE: Persona non grata in Aruba. With me, Natalee`s mother, Beth, is with us. Natalee had no history of epilepsy whatsoever, but you mentioned the possibility of GHB, Gamma-Hydroxybutyrate, date rape drug. Why?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I`m not really sure of what all it can cause, but when I think about that, if a young woman has no medical history of any significance, nothing, there is nothing marked in Natalee`s history of any medical issues -- why would she all of a sudden go into convulsions or seizures? And I felt as if it had to have been attributed to a date rape drug.

GRACE: So you actually believe she had convulsions? You actually believe Joran Van Der Sloot on that?

HOLLOWAY: The only reason why, go back to the very beginning, why were we asked that question within 48 hours of her disappearance?

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PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Patrick was asking -- was asking him, How can you be so sure that Natalee was dead? And then he said, Well, I wasn`t. She was just not moving anymore. She wasn`t ticking (ph) anymore. And so I thought she must be dead. And then he dumped her into the ocean. And yes, that`s really shocking.

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GRACE: Welcome back. With me tonight live, Natalee`s mom, Beth Holloway. We are taking your calls live. Beth, I know the Dutch version of Joran Van Der Sloot`s confession was much more in depth. Is it true -- because I haven`t seen it -- that he said he was afraid for her body to be found because his semen would be on and about her body?

BROOKS: Yes. Yes. He does disclose that to Patrick.

GRACE: You`re positive?

HOLLOWAY: Yes.

GRACE: When you saw this and you heard him refer to her as a bitch and a whore, what was your response?

HOLLOWAY: God! I mean, Nancy, it`s just -- when I hear Joran talking about her like that -- my gosh, he just -- you know, first you want to come through the TV I want to kill him, I mean, and peel his skin off his face. And I think of the utter disregard he had for Natalee. And look what he`s done to his friends. Look what he`s done to a country. Look what he`s done to everyone.

And when I hear Jossy Mansur speaking, I`m thinking, God, look at the hell he`s dragged us all through. Look at the hell he`s dragged from Jossy through to all of us. I mean, he has just totally, totally dragged us all through hell with him, this Joran Van Der Sloot. It`s just despicable what he has done. It`s a sad form of a human existence, if you ask me, Joran is.

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GRACE: Do you really believe a perfectly healthy young girl, Natalee Holloway, with no history of drug use, no history that she had used drugs that night, no history of epilepsy, would go out on a beach and suddenly go into convulsions and die?

PETER R. DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, RELEASED ALLEGED "CONFESSION" TAPE: I agree with you that it`s very hard to believe. I -- young people just don`t die from drinking too much. So it`s hard to believe. But I don`t have any evidence on anything else. Patrick asked him that. Was there any foam out of the mouth. And he denied it. No, he said, I didn`t see it.

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GRACE: Why is Joran Van der Sloot still walking around? That`s what I don`t understand.

With me, Natalee`s mother, Beth Holloway.

Beth, you also were privy to many of the prosecution files. I seem to recall one evening after being with you that you mentioned to me Joran Van der Sloot gave an accurate description of Natalee`s underwear.

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Yes, he did. He did.

GRACE: You`re positive.

HOLLOWAY: Absolutely. Yes.

GRACE: OK. Out to the lawyers, Randi Karmel, Richard Herman, Ann Bremner.

Ann Bremner, you`ve got a guy that says I hope you don`t find her body because my semen will be in, on, and about the body. You`ve got him describing her underwear and he`s accurate according to her mother. This is not just caressing on the beach. Now he says she died of a convulsion and he disposed of her body?

ANN BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, either this is another iteration of statements he`s given before, which there have been scores of different statements, or in terms of the confession and proving this case, remember John Mark Carr. I killed JonBenet, coming home with the shrimp and a champagne. And, in fact, he didn`t. They tried every which way to show that he did it, but in this case, there is corpus delecti, no evidence.

GRACE: But the big difference - Ann, Ann, I appreciate that. Thank you.

BREMNER: Yes.

GRACE: Randi Karmel, the difference is that Joran Van der Sloot was seen by witnesses with her the last known person to be with her when she was alive. He confesses that he had sex with her. I can`t imagine that that was voluntary. And then disposes of his - of the body. Now, if it had been an innocent death, an accidental death, why not call 911, Randy?

RANDI KARMEL, CHILD ADVOCATE, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: He didn`t do anything right. This guy did everything he could to cover up this crime and he`s lying on top of lying on top of lying. This guy could have called 911. He chose not to.

GRACE: But why, Richard Herman, if you didn`t do anything elicit, why not call the authorities?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, first, you are a gift to the defense bar as well more than you know.

BREMNER: I was going to say that, too. Right.

HERMAN: And Miss Holloway, my sympathies go out to you. I don`t know how you`ve endured all this time. But you want a conviction here, you want to convict this guy because you think he did it. All the theories we`re talking tonight are all speculation. This tape is garbage. You know if that Aruba judge thought that this tape was viable, they would have arrested him immediately. Is there`s no corroboration.

GRACE: No, I don`t.

HERMAN: to the tape, Nancy.

GRACE: No, I don`t, Richard. They have bungled the case from day one.

HERMAN: They have but the guy.

GRACE: I don`t give them credit to do anything correctly.

HERMAN: I agree with you, but the guy that supposedly took her out on the boat doesn`t exist and he wasn`t in Aruba.

GRACE: You don`t know that.

HERMAN: .the whole year and the pay phone didn`t work. It only made international calls. There`s so many factual inaccuracies to what he says. The tape is not.

GRACE: Two. You just named two. You named two.

HERMAN: The tape is not reliable. It`s all speculation.

GRACE: All right, Richard. OK. Thank you, Richard, Ann and Randi.

Out to the lines, Holly in West Virginia. Hi, Holly.

HOLLY, FROM WEST VIRGINIA: Hi, Nancy. How are you tonight?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. Thank you. What`s your question, dear?

HOLLY: I`m wondering he admits on "20/20" that he used the pay phone at the Marriott. Has anybody checked the history on that payphone to find out if he called his friend or maybe his father?

GRACE: Art, Art Harris, he is clearly covering up for someone that helped him. What about the payphone?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Payphone supposedly was checked according to one of his lawyers. The Coast Guard checked it and there was not a record of the call.

GRACE: Why would the Coast Guard be checking a payphone? Why not the local police?

HARRIS: Good question. That`s according to the lawyer.

GRACE: That`s best effort right there.

HARRIS: Yes.

GRACE: It doesn`t even make any sense.

HARRIS: No. A lot of things don`t check out, Nancy, and there are also witnesses to some of his predatory behavior.

GRACE: You want me to buy into that theory just because the defense lawyer says it`s so, OK. Why the Coast Guard would be dragged in to checking a payphone on Aruban island. That doesn`t even make any sense.

To Damon in California. Hi, Damon.

DAMON, FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Nancy. I love your show.

GRACE: Thank you, dear. What`s your question?

DAMON: My question is if this case goes to court, will his confession be admissible even though he was high?

GRACE: Oh, Damon, you don`t have a big fat dubie on you right now, do you, Damon? Because let me tell you, voluntary intoxication of drugs or alcohol, no defense, and the fact that he was not speaking to police or to investigators, he`s not protected by the constitution either in America or there in Aruba or the Netherlands. It doesn`t protect you from blabbing to journalists or undercover journalists. So it will, repeat, will come into evidence in its entirety.

To John in California. Hi, John.

JOHN, FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Nancy. How you doing?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

JOHN: I`m just wondering what - who`s the friend that he`s talking about that had the boat. I mean did they ever questioned him or did they ever get any information or what`s the deal on that?

GRACE: You`re talking about Daury?

JOHN: Yes.

GRACE: OK. Yes. They have spoken to one Daury. That was a friend of JOran Van der Sloot who was not even on Aruba at the time of Natalee`s appearance. There`s his photo. He`s come forward voluntarily. According to de Vries, Peter de Vries, who masterminded this whole scheme, there is another Daury. However, many people believe that Van der Sloot could be covering up for someone else and we`re very close to him, someone whose name he`ll nevery give up, Beth.

HOLLOWAY: Absolutely. And there are two Daurys that have been discussed and I don`t think that one of them has been ruled out. So -- and that is something else that has been surfacing as to, you know, as Joran gives this statement, he also says this name he will take to his grave. Well, he`s not in his grave, Nancy. So he says he`s going to take it to his grave? Well, I`m not so sure if you`re going to be disclosing a name if you`re going to take it to your grave so.

GRACE: Let`s go out to medical examiner, Doctor Zhongxue Hua.

Dr. Hua, thank you for being with us. If Natalee`s remains were found now, there would be no way to determine the semen, the sperm, that Joran Van der Sloot refers to, would there?

DR. ZHONGXUE HUA, MEDICAL EXAMINER, UNION CO. NJ: Agreed.

GRACE: Why?

HUA: Because at this stage, if it`s in a high temperature, the body goes through significant degree of decomposition, I would expect if someone`s in the ocean, lots of fresh tissue would be gone.

GRACE: However, if there was a gunshot wound or a knife wound, that may be determined by the skeletal remains?

HUA: Yes, or even have some bone fracture.

GRACE: Yes.

HUA: .during the struggle.

GRACE: Let`s go out now to Pat Brown, criminal profiler. Pat, weigh in.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": I`m in total agreement with you that this convulsion did not happen. I believe that Joran is always making Natalee the bad person. He`s always the victim. My guess is he`s angry at her because he didn`t get the sex he wanted. He forced it on her, he smothered her or he strangled her. He knew he did wrong. He couldn`t make the phone call to daddy and say, hey I need help, this girl`s passed out on the beach. He knew he couldn`t call anybody because he killed her.

And I also would look at the possibility that he`s saying enough, he`s saying what he wants to in the sense of saying that he was with her, had sex, and, yes, something happened to her, but he may be lying about everything else to cover up where she is. I would say if he`s worried about semen, maybe she is buried on land. Hey, I got an e-mail that said she was buried under the gardener`s shack at daddy`s house. I would like to know how the police checked every single thing possible on that land or any place else she could have been buried.

Because if she`s found someplace where Joran or his father had anything to do with, I`d say that would be good information.

GRACE: With me here in the studio, Natalee`s mom, Beth Holloway, who`s become a victim`s rights advocate after the loss of her daughter.

Beth, when you -- we`re all talking about legal theories and evidentiary issues. When you hear that, do you steal yourself to it and not connect it to your girl?

HOLLOWAYL: Well, I think that, you know, when every parent is -- any parent that is faced with - faced with something like this, I think that you have to somehow, gosh, you know, you just -- and I don`t mean to detach, but you do have to kind of have some type of protective barrier there for you because you know you`re there to fight for your child. Yet it`s so hard to be in a fighting mode if you`re succumbing to all the emotions and the, you know, the hurt to it.

So it is a delicate balance of how to - to how to, you know, to keep hopefully moving forward towards justice for your loved one.

GRACE: Do you ever, the way that you feel now, Natalee`s presence with you?

HOLLOWAY: I think what I do, Nancy, is I take comfort in knowing that -- I feel the peace and comfort from Natalee and I`m not sure if it`s - really if I ever thought about it, if it`s her presence. But that I do. I feel - - I`ve always felt, you know, at peace in my heart because I knew that Natalee was with God and I think now after hearing Joran`s full admission, I take - can take even more peace and comfort in knowing that, you know, my prayers were answered and I needed to know what happened.

You know the not knowing is the sheer hell and the knowing, even though it`s difficult, it gives you that ability to have peace and comfort and begin the mourning and this journey.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(NEWSBREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DE VRIES: I was shocked by the way -- by the disrespect he talked about Natalee. He called her a bitch and things like that..

GRACE: He called her a whore, he called her a bitch for no reason. This girl had a sterling reputation.

DE VRIES: And he`s showing no remorse at all. He`s telling that he didn`t lose one second of sleep.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Joran Van der Sloot`s defense? He was high on pot. Do you buy it? I don`t.

Let`s go out to Doctor Susan Lipkins, psychologist and author. Susan, do you buy the theory that someone would confess repeatedly, repeatedly at least 10 times over a period of months just because they were on pot?

SUSAN LIPKINS, PSYCHOLOGIST, AUTHOR OF "PREVENTING HAZING": No, absolutely not. We all know that pot does not make you lie like that. And the fact that it`s consistent. So I`m quite sure that what he said was in some part reality and I believe that he is guilty of what he.

GRACE: Susan, what do you make of him saying he hasn`t lost a minute`s sleep over Natalee?

LIPKINS: I`m not sure if he was bragging and trying to be macho in front of this guy who he was trying to show off, or if in fact, he was just a psychopath and totally disconnected from reality and didn`t care.

GRACE: Here on the set with me is Natalee`s mother Beth. When you look back over nearly three years, what is your --- when you think about it at night before you go to sleep, what do you make of this three-year journey, this battle you`ve been through?

HOLLOWAY: I would have to say if I knew the day that I got that call that Natalee was not gathering in the Holiday Inn lobby to depart for the airport, if I had known what was ahead of me, Nancy, God, I don`t know if I could have - I don`t know if I could have fought as hard. Had no idea.

You know, Nancy, I just thought I was going to fly to Aruba and I was going get her and bring her home, you know, we were just go there and find her had, you know? I had no idea what was before me. And it`s a good thing because, golly, I think back and I think, God, I don`t know if I - you know, it`s so insurmountable anyway to think about when that much of a journey is ahead of you.

Yes, it`s a good thing I didn`t know what was ahead, because I just don`t know if I could have fought as hard, Nancy. God, because I had no idea it would be -- I know two and a half years later and from an investigative standpoint, I understand, sometimes it can take years, 10 years, and sometimes they`re not resolved. But to a mom and to a parent and when it happens, you want answers now and you want them today.

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BILL O'REILLY / Feb 15 ,2008 TRANSCRIPT

The Factor
Bill O'Reilly

February 15, 2008

BOR:

As you many know, the villain Joran van der Sloot, who we believe was directly involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway almost 2 years ago, was caught on an undercover tape saying the woman died in his presence and the body was thrown into the ocean.

Now, some people believe the aruban authorities have been covering up for van der Sloot. Joining us now from our New York studio, Geraldo Rivera. Do you believe that?

Geraldo:

If don't know if there's cover up per se, but there certainly is no desire it seems to have this case aggressively pursued. You have, there's rage, let me start that way Bill, there is real rage in Aruba, I've been on the phone with them all day today about the Appellate Court's Decision to support to lower Court Judge saying you can't arrest him.

The reason the rage is so virulent is that they're using as their rationale, that Joran van der Sloot, having told so many different stories, is now untrustworthy when he confesses like he's doing on the tape that's being shown right now.

In other words, at first he says he and and the Kalpoe brothers drive her back to the Holiday Inn where they see a black, adult security guard making the moves towards her. Then he says the Kalpoe brothers did it, you know this guy has changed his story so often that the Judge now says he's unreliable and you can't trust his confession.

BOR:

There's no question the guy's a pathological liar and a sociopath, you have to know that if you follow the case, but here's the deal. I've watched this tape now, four or five times, the undercover tape by the Dutch journalist; there's no way this guy's making this stuff up; there's no way this van der Sloot is making this stuff up

Geraldo:

That is why the local authorities, not the local authorities but certainly the local press and the people in the tourist business, because remember Aruba's tourist trade is down between 12% and 18% since Natalee Holloway disappeared so it's having a real world impact on the aruban people. Their rage is at the timidity of the judiciary, but the trouble is they have a tradition that once they arrest someone and release them, that the bar for evidence gets higher and higher

BOR:

Here's what they could do and should do, just go in with it in front of a jury, let the jury have it and then if he walks, he walks. Let the folks decide and here's the other wrinkle: this guy's father is a big shot, this guy's father has juice on that island, this guy van der Sloot was treated from the jump Geraldo, you know that

Geraldo:

Clearly, I believe that the father is the person that he called. Paulus van der Sloot is the person he called but let's dissect what Joran tells Patrick.

If indeed the death of Natalee Holloway was an "accident" then the person you would call would be your dad, the Judge. It's natural if the death was an accident and not a murder that you'd call your dad and then he tells the cops later that Deepak and Satish did it. Deepak and Satish tell him in the backseat of the car and it's on tape that 'if they find that girl, you're going to get 15 years'

Why didn't they call the authorities if it was an accidental death and how could he sleep like a baby unless he knew that her body had been disposed of. To think that he would trust a casual friend with the disposal of dead Natalee Holloway and then go walk home and then sleep like a baby, defies human emotion, it is unconscienable.

BOR:

You know me, I don't speculate okay, but I'll tell you right now why he didn't call the authorities or the EMS if the woman had a seizure and died, because he raped her, because they slipped some date rate drug inside and any kind of an autopsy would have seen the date rape drug, this guy had history of doing this kind of stuff, we know he prowled the casinos.

You've been down there Geraldo, you know what goes on there. They target the tourists, they take the tipsy girls and they do this and any kind of an autopsy, any kind of a medical exmination would have shown what these guys did to Natalee Holloway

Geraldo:

And he is a big kid, he's over 6 feet, he outweighs her 2 to 1. There's no doubt in my mind not only did he drug her but he also roughed her up, maybe even to the point where he murdered her.

BOR:

Okay, now

Geraldo:

But, we need some corroborating evidence because a confession without corroboration is a problem.

BOR:

I say charge him and put him on trial and I'm not going to Aruba until they do. I hope everyone around the world watching me says no aruban until the man gets in and gets on trial. Now, if the jury acquits him, OJ Simpson whatever, fine. Charge him, let the jury decide or no more Aruba and every decent person should feel the way that we do.
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The Big Story
John Gibson
February 20, 2008

Guest: Geraldo Rivera

Heatehr:

Why the legal drama over Joran van der Sloot's videotaped confession is not over after all, plus what Natalee's mother Beth is planning to do to try to bring Joran to justice once and for all.

Fox's Geraldo Rivera will react next, on The Big Story.

New developments tonight in the Natalee Holloway case. Aruba has just summoned the man who got Joran van der Sloot to fess up about Holloway's disappearance for questioning as a possible witness in the case. Prosecutors say Patrick van der Eem who has already spoken to the media and now he must answer their questions. If he doesn't comply, they're threatening to arrest him but he says he has no problem telling investigators what he already know.

Gibson:

Van der Eem has apparently just signed a book deal to cash in some more on Joran's big mouth and it's reported that it's due out in September and will be called "Disposed".

Meanwhile, Natalee Holloway's mother Beth still wants van der Sloot re-arrested but she's now considering filing a civil suit against him to take all his money away from him.

With us now for more of these developments is Fox's At Large's host, Geraldo Rivera.

So, first of all, prosecutor wants to talk to this guy who essentially taped Joran. Why?

Geraldo:

Well assuming he wants to corroborate some of the information on the tapes. John, it's not unreasonable for him to ask. What I find ironic is his tough guy attitude towards this informant, towards Patrick van der Eem. He's saying that if he doesn't voluntarily go for, he's in Aruba right now, Patrick is, if he doesn't come to them and spill the beans, everything he knows, he could be arrested. So it's ironic that here's Aruba threatening to arrest the informant and they won't arrest Joran van der Sloot.

So to me it's just another kind of little niche example of a corrupt judicial system, one that has made up its mind that it's not going to vigorously pursue this case.

Heather:

Natalee Holloway's mom, now she's threatening to file a civil suit; they've done that before in the United States and the Judge tossed it out. Presumably this suit would be in The Netherlands, so what does Natalee Holloway's mom expect to get from this?

Geraldo:

It's a great question Heather. Two lawsuits, they sued the Kalpoe brothers in California, that lawsuit was dismissed. They sued Joran here in New York and that lawsuit was dismissed for basically the same reason. There's no jurisdiction, neither New York nor Los Angeles had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance which happened in Aruba.

Now, I don't believe this story. This is a lawyer named Bram Moskowicz, he's kind of a tv flashy lawyer in Europe. He had someone call Beth we think and said 'do you want us to sue the lawsuit?' She said 'sure' but I don't think there's any lawsuit.

The problem is twofold. Number 1: there's very limited discovery in Aruba and The Netherlands in a wrongful death suit of this sort, so that's why John Q Kelly, the real lawyer is waiting for the disposition of the criminal case to have a record. Second: in a wrongful death lawsuit there as opposed to here, they call it economic feasibility, there's real financial limitation in the amount of money you can recover. The best hope is still that Joran gets busted, that corroborating evidence is found to corroborate that confession and he's re-arrested but it's a very, very difficult burden.

Heather:

They're saying they hope to find him guilty of committing an unlawful act; is that different from wrongful death, is there a lower bar perhaps?

Geraldo:

No, no the problem Heather is in Aruba and The Netherlands there's no jury, it's a Judge, in this case a 3 Judge panel so there would be no emotional value, the Judges would look askance.

Remember Paulus van der Sloot was Judge in Aruba and in fact, after he was arrested for 4 days the son of a gun got $30,000.00 in damages from Aruba which shows you the prejudice and certainly the preference of the aruban judiciary towards the defendants not the plaintiffs.  (Geraldo is a bit behind here since this award was appealed and PVDS got zero)

Gibson:

Geraldo Rivera At Large, don't miss the show. Thanks very much

 
 
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GRETA Feb 20, 2008 / John Q Kelly TRANSCRIPT

Greta van Susteren
On The Record
February 20, 2008

Greta:

Beth is set to sue Joran van der Sloot in Holland. That's what Dutch newspapers are saying. Is it true?

And the Aruban Chief Prosecutor now wants to question Patrick van der Eem, the man who secretly taped Joran van der Sloot talking about Natalee's death. Van der Eem says he has nothing to hide and the prosecutor just has to call him.

Joining us livein New York is John Q. Kelly, the lawyer for Natalee's parents.

John, what's the story on this civil suit in Holland? We've gotten lots of calls on it.

John:

I've seen a couple of articles on it too Greta. The lawyer that's been quoted is not someone Beth ever contacted, it's not someone she's ever spoken to nor have I, but you know I guess it's someone who's willing to put forth some suggestions and we'll always listen to those

Greta:

If what I understand from the news articles to be correct, he intends to sue him in Holland, is that right?

John:

There's been no discussion of that Greta, this is not some lawyer that Beth

Greta:

So is he making it up?

John:

I think it's just someone who offered to come forward and make suggestions, offer some help if we wanted it you know, and that's fine Greta but yeah, it's not accurate.

Greta:

Does this come through Peter de Vries, the Dutch television guy at all?

John: Greta, it hasn't come from Beth and it hasn't come from myself, we'll just leave it at that

Greta:

That's a dodge if I ever heard one

John:

I spend my whole life dodging you Greta

Greta:

I'm not that stupid

John:

I spend my whole life dodging you, Greta since I got involved in this case, right from the start I've looked for civil remedies. Obviously, not that's any secret to me.

Beth and Dave are very comfortable with the lawyer they have, very confident in that, you know, we know the civil remedies available to Aruba. We were hoping the criminal case would result in a prosecution and that's what we're still looking for.

Greta:

Alright, let's talk about Aruba. What is going on there with Patrick, the guy who taped Joran? He's now in Aruba vacationing and talking to someone about a book?

John:

I think there've been a lot of discussions about books, you know after the show came out but you know, he's more than willing to talk to the prosecution. The prosecution should talk to him. I actually had a very long talk with Hans Mos today, probably a half hour or more, going over things.

I mean, it's no secret I'm not happy with what's going on down there, I'm not happy with what's going on right now down there and I'd like to see something done. I think they have a strong circumstantial case right now against Joran and I wish they'd pull the trigger on him (it?), I wish they'd act.

Greta:

This is what's kind of silly, you say Hans wants to talk to him, Patrick wants to talk to Hans, the prosecutor. Why don't they just do it? I mean, this has been going on for like, just do it. You tell me they both want to talk to each other, the taper wants to talk to the prosecutor and the prosecutor wants to talk to the taper but it hasn't happened.

John:

It hasn't happened yet, I assume it will happen

Greta:

Is Hans Mos back from his vacation in Holland?

John:

They're on their own watch down there Greta, they move at their own pace and as I said it gets me agitated just talking about it, but looking at what they have right now you've got a young man who walks into a bar, he pays for a drink, he handles it himself, he hands it to Natalee, she drinks it, she leaves with him, you know as soon as she gets in the car, she's incoherent, she's lapsing in and out of consciousness, he's the last one with her alive and he makes up at least 3 different stories in terms of what happened to her and he refuses to co-operate and she's never heard from again. I mean it's not really hard to figure out.

Greta:

And the thing that's got me is he must have told the police the first time he spoke to them, because why would they have asked Jug about she shaking and the epilepsy type seizure or something. I think to myself, what are the aruban police up to but that's for another day

John:

Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta: May 31, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9

Greta:

Something's funny, I wish, something's not quite right, I wish the State Department would get a little busy on this one. John I gotta go but we'll do a lot more on this, thank you.

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Art Wood Interview Feb 26, 2008 TRANSCRIPT

Dana Pretzer Show
February 26, 2008

Guest: Art Wood

Dana:

In a recent interview with Beth Holloway I brought up the term to her about justice, and justice can be served in many different forms and I said justice in my opinion may not be served in a courtroom in Aruba but just as easily could be served by locating her missing daughter, Natalee Holloway and bringing her home to Alabama where she belongs.

With an update on the search for Natalee Holloway I have Art Wood, former Secret Service Agent and current private investigator. Hi Art and welcome to the program.

Art:

Hi Dana, I appreciate you having me on.

Quite frankly, we have some bad news regarding the search for Natalee. As you may or may not know, John Silvetti and his company and the crew of the Persistence has been searching since before Christmas. They have completed an underwater survey, a grid of all the territory they're going to search off the coast of Aruba. They've identified over 100 possible targets that could be Natalee on the ocean floor. They're trying to narrow that list to 30 or 40 more likely targets, they can dive on them however John has informed us that they have run out of money. Actually, if they can't come up with some donations within the next week to 10 days, they're going to be bringing the boat home.

It doesn't mean we're going to give up, the targets are marked and we're going to make every attempt to get the resources together to dive on these targets.

However, Dave Holloway has as we speak been talking to various officials and even asking the arubans to chip in to pay for the expenses. The cost of fuel and everything for the Persistence, it's cost them over a million $ already and without some charitable contributions, we're going to have to abandon the search at this time. Without contributions, Persistence is coming home and I'm very, very disappointed at that. It would be a tragic end to this mission. We need the search completed even if the chances of finding Natalee are dim, we will never know until we dive on those targets.

Dana:

You bring up a good point Art: the time, the effort since before Xmas, over a million $ of donated time. This is something people have helped with but they need help some more.

Tell us how my listeners or anyone that's out there with an organization or whatever who would like to contribute, how can they?

Art:

I'll tell them exactly how they can help, I can tell them also that every dollar they donate will go towards the mission of completing that mission of finding missing people.

The Natalee Holloway Foundation was set up as a charitable organization to find missing people abroad, to help families who are searching for their loved ones, who are missing abroad and quite frankly I would request that your viewers, if they are willing to make a contribution towards this cause to send their contribution to the Natalee Holloway Foundation located at P.O. Box 4363, Meridian, Mississippi and I assure them that there is no, now do you say, it's not like when you make a donation and only 10% of it goes to what you want it to; there are no administrative costs or anything associated with the Natalee Holloway Foundation.

I'm on the Board of Directors of the Natalee Holloway Foundation, I've served on that Board for 2 years and I do it for free, I'm a volunteer, everybody in the Natalee Holloway Foundation is a volunteer and we don't take any payment. I wouldn't even if I could.

Dana:

And how important is this.

Art:

The Persistence has done what nobody else could have done. They are a survey ship with the greatest technology in the world. They surveyed the entire coast off of Aruba and mapped it out in grids to the point that they were able to identify targets as small as a football on the bottom of the ocean and they've identified over 100 targets that could possibly be Natalee.

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It costs a fortune now with the price of gasoline skyrocketing and the price of diesel fuel rocketing to run that big ship. They're out of money, it's just totally gone. The crew of the Persistence, the company that owns the boat, the captain, it's cost over a million $ to date and it was all donated. They were never paid a dime but we need to bring in some divers and we need to put fuel in that ship in order to complete this mission and I think we can do it and they estimate that in 2 weeks we could dive on all of the high priority targets and determine once and for all if Natalee's down there. That's what our hope is that somebody will come forward, or many people will come forward and give us some minor dollar donations to help us complete this mission .....

Dana:

...... there's a press release that came out today as far as some fabric that was found as part of this search being analyzed by the FBI Crime Lab in Virginia I believe, not being the same as what Natalee was wearing on the night she disappeared. Can you comment on that?

Art:

Well you know, all I can say is I wasn't aware that the FBI Crime Lab examined anything. Did the report come out on the AP or?

Dana:

It was all over the newswires today

Art:

Well, I'll be darned, I was unaware of it. Quite frankly, that's kind of disheartening, I would rather they found something but quite frankly we're looking for Natalee and the answers are still there. 
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Joran Van Der Sloot Taped in Thai Sex Trade Deal

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the sudden disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway, missing off her high school senior trip to Aruba. Aruban police claim they can`t or won`t make a case against judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot. Even after a Dutch crime reporter taped months of high-tech secret surveillance proving what happened the night Holloway vanishes, Aruban courts let Van Der Sloot walk free.
But tonight, caught on tape, judge`s son Van Der Sloot is busted, preying on unsuspecting women, attempting to lure them into the sex trade between Thailand and his birthplace, the Netherlands. Van Der Sloot reported to make up to $13,000 per female recruit. Tonight, we have the photos. Will the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway finally end up behind bars?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it was an accident, I mean, I`m sure -- I really truthfully feel that he gave her some kind of drug, but -- and then, you know, if something happened to her, why not be a man and just say, Look, this happened and -- but I knew when they wouldn`t help us come look for her the next day and he goes out and starts hiring attorneys and everything that there was something bad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A former suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway has allegedly been caught on tape recruiting Thai women to work in the sex industry in Europe. A sting operation set up by crime reporter Peter De Vries allegedly shows Van Der Sloot attempting to arrange young women to come to the Netherlands. The sting was broadcast on Dutch TV and also reportedly showed Van Der Sloot receiving $1,000 cash for arranging the transaction. Van Der Sloot was confronted by De Vries and denied any wrongdoing. But he did make sure to thank the reporter for the $1,000 cash.

BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Talking about her like that, my gosh, he just -- you know, first you want to come through the TV and I want to kill him, I mean, pull the skin off his face. And I think of the utter disregard he had for Natalee. And look what he`s done to his friends. Look what he`s done to a country. Look what he`s done to everyone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And tonight, police desperately searching for a beautiful 3- year-old Florida girl, Caylee, after her grandparents report her missing, little Caylee now not seen 21 long weeks, last seen with her mother. So why didn`t Mommy call police?

Headlines tonight. Texas Equusearch, a team of bounty hunters from across the country and over 2,000 volunteers converge Orlando, the massive search by land, by air, by water zeroing in on heavily wooded areas near the Orlando airport and the Anthonys` home, the search locations based on mom Casey`s cell phone pings and the discovery of a suspicious beaded cross. Bones discovered during a search, but are they connected to the case? Grandparents George and Cindy Anthony show up at the search, angrily insisting little Caylee`s still alive. At the search head (ph), bounty hunters stay on searching for Caylee. And as mom Casey sits behind bars, another alleged sighting of the tot emerges. Tonight, where is Caylee?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Despite thousands of volunteers and extensive searches, Caylee Anthony still hasn`t been found, but bounty hunter Leonard Padilla is following his own leads.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Padilla says he has a feeling Caylee`s body is here because he says Equusearch volunteers found a beaded cross near here that matches beads Casey was stringing at home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Padilla claims there was a cross in Blanchard Park, Padilla hiring expert divers to search in the Little Econ River in Blanchard Park. Padilla thinks Caylee`s body may be in that very river, the California bounty hunter also announcing he`s holding a memorial service tomorrow morning. But not everyone`s happy with Padilla`s involvement. Just hours ago, Cindy Anthony confronted Padilla and told him she`s got a problem with Padilla holding a memorial service for her granddaughter.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Breaking news tonight in the disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway. Tonight, caught on tape, the prime suspect, judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot, preying on unsuspecting women to lure them into the sex trade between Thailand and the Netherlands. Will he finally go to jail? And how`s Daddy going to get him out of this one?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH TELEVISION REPORTER: Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence. And now he confessed that and he told what he did with the body, and he told how he came home, what he did with the shoes. It`s the complete story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Joran Van Der Sloot, a former suspect in the case of missing teen Natalee Holloway, has allegedly been caught on tape arranging for Thai girls to come to Europe to work in the sex industry. Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries set up a sting operation on Van Der Sloot. De Vries`s associates allegedly got to know Van Der Sloot and claimed they were interested in bringing Thai women to the Netherlands. Van Der Sloot is shown meeting with De Vries`s men at a hotel room in Bangkok, Thailand, along with two young Thai women. Later, Van Der Sloot was allegedly shown accepting a large cash advance from one of the men, reportedly in the range of $1,000. When confronted by De Vries, Van Der Sloot denied any wrongdoing.

DE VRIES: I was shocked by the way -- by the disrespect he talked about Natalee. He called her a (DELETED) and things like that.

GRACE: He called her a (DELETED). He called her a (DELETED) for absolutely no reason. This girl had a sterling reputation.

DE VRIES: Yes. And he`s showing no remorse at all. He`s telling that he didn`t -- didn`t lose one second of sleep.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Joining us right now, Deborah Pugatch with CNN affiliate WBMA. What`s the latest?

DEBORAH PUGATCH, WBMA PRODUCER: What`s the latest, Nancy? Well, I`ll tell you this. What I do know from a Dutch contact of mine who`s a reporter over there is that Joran Van Der Sloot says he did nothing wrong. But according to Peter De Vries, he says he caught him undercover, trying to get young Thai women to go to the Netherlands to go into the prostitution ring. That is illegal and -- according to Dutch prostitution law, that is illegal. Prostitution is legal in the Netherlands, but that is not.

GRACE: Out to Jossy Mansur, owner and director of "Diario" magazine. Jossy, it`s great to be with you again. What do you know about these latest charges against Joran Van Der Sloot?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": Well, what I understand is that he did violate the law, both in Thailand and the Dutch law, and that he can be prosecuted for that.

GRACE: To Rupa Mikkilineni, our producer. Rupa, exactly what is alleged happened?

RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, Joran Van Der Sloot was caught on tape, on a videotape, secretly taped by a journalist, Peter De Vries. And he walked into a hotel room with two young Thai women to meet two of De Vries`s men, who were posing as Dutch sex trade bosses.

GRACE: Hold on. Here you are seeing the shot. There are many of them. Investigative reporter Peter De Vries hosts a program allegedly showing Van Der Sloot, suspect in the Holloway case, setting up a sex trade operation between Thailand and Europe. "Good Morning America" has purchased the rights to this video. Go ahead, Rupa.

MIKKILINENI: Well, as you see in this video -- it`s a very grainy video, and they`re sitting around and having drinks and they`re discussing potentially bringing these women somehow, illegally, legally, illegally -- it`s very confusing. He discusses a three-month visa, says he can, you know, formulate some type of false documents that could get these women into Holland to work temporarily. He offers $15,000 or some such amount to pay for these women. These women indicate, Look, we`re not sure. You know, We`re students. This is very tricky. What will we have to do? And then he says that all that it would require is dancing.

GRACE: I believe his words were, Shaking your" -- an expletive -- in front of men, talking to them, sitting down and having a drink with them, and as if they`re going to be models, having your photos taken while you`re dancing.

MANSUR: Yes. That`s correct.

GRACE: OK. Now, you said the women were students. What did he promise the women? What were they to get paid?

MIKKILINENI: Well, in the videotape, he indicates $15,000. He doesn`t say whether that`s for the entire three months, for what amount of work, but he does say that you`ll be working -- they`d be working from 5:00 PM to 5:00 AM. This is a 12-hour day. We`re talking six-day weeks, possibly.

GRACE: With me right now exclusively, Natalee Holloway`s father, Dave Holloway. Dave, it`s great to hear your voice again. Can you believe it? It`s like a bad penny turning up again.

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: It`s absolutely disgusting that this guy is involved in something like this.

GRACE: When did you first learn of the charges?

HOLLOWAY: I learned of the potential video sometime last week, but I wasn`t aware of what the extent of it was.

GRACE: What do you make of it?

HOLLOWAY: I tell you what, I hope the Thailand police do their job and get this guy. He needs to be taken off the streets.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, international law attorney Theodore Simon out of Philadelphia, child advocate Susan Moss, Lauren Lake, defense attorney out of New York, Alex Sanchez also a veteran defense attorney out of New York.

To Susan Moss. Weigh in, Susan.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: First, Natalee is dead and now he`s selling Thai women for bread, and it`s all on tape. Joran is a moron, and luckily, now he`s going to be brought down by his own hubris, his own greed and his own words.

GRACE: To Theodore Simon, international law attorney joining us from Philadelphia. Come on, we`re talking about Thailand. It is the capital of the sex trade business in the world. Like they`re going to bust Joran Van Der Sloot?

THEODORE SIMON, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY: Well, it`s hard to say. I mean, what we`ve seen briefly is a tape, only words. We haven`t seen any objective evidence. And the last time Mr. De Vries produced a tape, it was rejected by the Aruban courts when they failed to reopen his case...

GRACE: Theodore...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Theodore, if these allegations...

SIMON: He, you can call me Ted.

GRACE: Mr. Simon, if these allegations are correct, will he be prosecuted in Thailand or not~!

SIMON: Well, it`s certainly possible, if the allegations are true. I think we`re a far cry from whether or not the allegations turn into any kind of objective proof.

GRACE: You know what? Before I throw a stone at Thailand, Eliot Spitzer got nothing and he is caught by the feds with hookers. So you know, I guess I shouldn`t trash Thailand too much. But what I`m trying to say, Mr. Simon, is if these allegations are true and it is true that he is preying on unsuspecting young women, students, as a matter of fact, promising them $15,000 to be models and they turn out to end up in the sex trade, stuck in another country with no way back home, will Thailand consider that a crime and prosecute him?

SIMON: Well, I think you`re adding many, many facts that may not be - - may only be fiction.

GRACE: OK, you know what? Maybe you didn`t hear the beginning of the question -- if the allegations are true. You`re the international lawyer.

SIMON: Right.

GRACE: Will that be a crime in Thailand? It`s a yes/no question!

SIMON: Well, you know, it`s a big if. If someone commits a crime, they`ll be prosecuted.

GRACE: Oy!

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DE VRIES: Oh, yes, I`m pretty convinced by that because it was not a slip of the tongue, what he did. He told -- he did a full confession on tape not once, not twice, but more than 10 times. And he did it -- there were some days between it. They were very detailed. And so I`m convinced that he told the truth. Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence, and now he confessed that and he told what he did with the body, and he told how he came home, what he did with his shoes. It`s the complete story.

Patrick (ph) was asking him, How can you be so sure that Natalee was dead? And then he said, Well, I wasn`t. She was just not moving anymore. She wasn`t kicking anymore. And so I thought she must be dead. And then he dumped her into the ocean. And yes, that`s really shocking.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well, he`s back. The prime suspect in the disappearance of Alabama beauty and honor student Natalee Holloway is allegedly right in the middle of the international sex trade -- that`s right, caught on grainy surveillance video actually trying to recruit, according to allegations, young students, female students, promising $15,000, I believe it was a week, to model back home in the Netherlands, his birthplace.

We are taking your calls. To Mary in California. Hi, Mary.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, first I want to tell you my family thinks you`re wonderful and your babies are beautiful.

GRACE: Thank you very much. I am blessed. I am blessed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, you are. My question is, does anybody know if Natalee`s mother is going to go to Thailand to look for her?

GRACE: Interesting question. To Dave Holloway. This is Natalee`s father. Is Beth or anyone else in the family going to Thailand? Is there any suggestion that Natalee could be alive in Thailand?

HOLLOWAY: No. The first tape that Peter De Vries did back in January had indicated that Joran Van Der Sloot disposed of her, or had some help disposing of her at sea. This part about the prostitution ring came up in that tape, where, apparently, Joran wanted to get involved in a -- another activity, and that activity was prostitution. So this was...

(CROSSTALK)

HOLLOWAY: ... he wanted to get involved in, and now he did.

GRACE: Let me get this straight. Everybody, with us exclusively tonight, Dave Holloway. This is Natalee`s father. Refresh my recollection, Dave. Are you saying, in the original Peter De Vries tape, that Joran Van Der Sloot -- this is hours and hours, taken over weeks of surveillance inside a high-end SUV of Joran Van Der Sloot -- he said at that time he wanted to get into another enterprise?

HOLLOWAY: Yes. The first one was the growing and selling of marijuana, and then the other was this prostitution-type ring, so there was two of those type of activities that he wanted to get into. And then as time went on, he had met a friend in Thailand or over there (INAUDIBLE) or whatever, and he approached this friend about making this enterprise come true.

GRACE: Enterprise. You mean prostitution.

HOLLOWAY: Prostitution.

GRACE: You know, in one of the articles, some of the research I was reading, they called it the Dutch sex industry entrepreneur. Translation in this country, a pimp. I wonder what his daddy has to say tonight, Dave Holloway.

HOLLOWAY: Yes, it`ll be hard for him to get him out of this one.

GRACE: The judge.

HOLLOWAY: That`s right. And in that TV show last night, there was one witness who also had implicated Paulus. His involvement was a lot more than what we had originally thought.

GRACE: And there`s the best shot of Paulus Van Der Sloot, the judge, running from questions about Natalee missing. I`ll never forget the shot of his backside running down a dark alley.

Back to Rupa Mikkilineni, our producer. Where is he believed to be now? I thought he was in college in the Netherlands. What happened to that?

MIKKILINENI: Well, Natalee (SIC), apparently, after he was studying in the Netherlands, Peter De Vries`s first videotape came out, and it caused such havoc with his life -- apparently, he was worried for his life -- and so he disappeared off the face of the earth for a while.

GRACE: Translation, dropped out of school?

MIKKILINENI: Yes.

GRACE: So he dropped out of school. Do we know if that`s his decision or did the school throw him out?

MIKKILINENI: We believe he dropped out. It`s a little bit uncertain, but he actually disappeared. He didn`t show up in Aruba. He wasn`t in Holland. We don`t know where he was. And then he suddenly turns up in Thailand a few months later.

GRACE: Thailand. Now, I wonder why Thailand? To Jossy Mansur, owner and managing director of "Diario" magazine. Jossy, what was he allegedly saying on the tape to the young women?

MANSUR: He was offering them a job as models in Holland, and in truth, he was trying to coax them into prostitution -- in other words, into the sex industries in Holland. That`s what I gather from the paper that I saw.

GRACE: Back to Deborah Pugatch from WBMA. Deborah, again, thank you for being with us. Has Van Der Sloot admitted to anyone else that we know of anything incriminating about Natalee Holloway?

PUGATCH: Well, what we do know is there is a new witness that was a part of Peter De Vries`s piece last night. The witness, who I`ve been told is named Celeste (ph), told Aruban authorities or Dutch authorities last week when they questioned her that Joran did tell her the same thing he told Peter (SIC) van der Eem in Peter De Vries`s first investigative report, that Natalee is nowhere, anyhow. I talked to Hans Mos, the chief Aruban prosecutor, and he confirmed that for me this afternoon.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TWITTY: When I hear Joran talking about her like that, my gosh, he just -- you know, first you want to come through the TV and I want to kill him, I mean, pull the skin off his face. And I think of the utter disregard he had for Natalee. And look what he`s done to his friends. Look what he`s done to a country. Look what he`s done to everyone. It`s just despicable what he has done.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s hurt us tremendously and other families tremendously, and some innocent people of Aruba. He has no remorse, no -- a total disregard for anyone else except for himself, even his own family. And it`s just shocking to me that someone can do this. It`s just -- I`m still reeling from it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Kathy in Tennessee. Hi, Kathy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What I have wondered from the very beginning is when the party boat captain came forward and seemed to delay the investigation -- I have often thought how far out could that party boat have gone without lights on so as not to be noticed, so someone waiting out there could have taken Natalee off of that party boat.

GRACE: To Jossy Mansur with "Diario" magazine. What about it? How far could they have gotten?

MANSUR: I don`t (ph) think they could have gotten that far, or they should have gotten far enough so that the body couldn`t wash back into the beach. But the party boat has sufficient power, motor, to go as far as the currents will do the job that they had in mind (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: And what would be the closest body of land to transport her?

MANSUR: It would be the beach right by the fisherman`s hut, by the Marriott Hotel.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just hope that he comes clean. He`s got an account to settle, and I hope he settles it on this earth at this time. If he doesn`t, you know, God bless him.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I gave already some investigations in the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba, and I was very intrigued by it and I thought, well, this was just terrible that this case is not solved yet. So then I said to myself, I have to do everything to solve this. That`s how it happened.

Yes. And he (INAUDIBLE) like that, because it was not a slip of the tongue what he did. He told -- he did a full confession on tape, not once, not twice, but more than 10 times. And he did it with some days between it. It was very detailed.

And -- so I`m convinced that he told the truth. Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence and now he confessed that and he told what he did with the body and he told how he came home, what he did with the shoes. It`s -- the complete story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that the police knew that she was not alive the second day. When he did the shaking thing in the video -- you know, they questioned Beth and I the first day, second day and then also question me two weeks later and they kept asking about the epileptic fits or, you know, that type stuff.

Well, you don`t ask that straight out of the box. I knew there was something funny. So they knew. I think Joran told them that probably something happened on the beach and she did this but Vonder Striden, you know, just probably wanted to cover his friend`s son`s butt and actually just got into it early on and then it just got deeper and deeper and snowballed and they just covered every track from then on so.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: We are taking your calls live. Headline tonight, Joran Van Der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Alabama beauty and honor student, Natalee Holloway, has turned up again, this time on grainy surveillance video, reportedly soliciting young female students to become prostitutes, sending them back home to the Netherlands, basically, where they`d be stuck with no way back for about three months.

Again, we`re taking your calls live but right now take a look at the last time he was caught on tape. This is from ABC`s "20/20."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (Through translator): She`s just lying still?

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT (Through translator): Still, still. She`s not doing anything. He says, what happened? I said, I don`t know either, man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course. I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the bitch. I was like, what`s wrong with you, man? I almost wanted to cry. What the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) happened? I said to him, this isn`t possible.

He took the body. He went far out, and he threw her over the side. Then he came back and docked his boat there. And he came by my house for a bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At night.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Then we talked for a bit and he says to me, you know, it`s all good. She`s going to be missing. They`re going to search but they`re not going to know a thing.

PATRICK VAN DER EEM (through translator): How were you so sure she was dead, Joran? You can`t, you know, people can also go into coma.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I wasn`t sure about that but it really scared me to death.

VAN DER EEM: No, but I understand that. I definitely understand that, that you were scared. She really (INAUDIBLE).

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. But it didn`t look good.

VAN DER EEM: How didn`t it look good then?

VAN DER SLOOT: Just, you know, she had been shaking and stuff.

VAN DER EEM: What, really shaking?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I don`t know. Yes. Pretty much.

VAN DER EEM: I`m asking you. How were you so (EXPLETIVE DELETED) sure she was dead, man?

VAN DER SLOOT: I wasn`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) sure.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And even after that, still no arrest. That is video from ABC`s "20/20" of prime suspect Joran Van Der Sloot seemingly more concerned about his own fate than the death of the American teen, Natalee Holloway.

We are taking your calls live. And with me right now exclusively, Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway. When you hear that, does your blood still boil?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Nancy, it -- does. You know, still -- it`s still tough even after three and a half years of hoping for the best and, you know, we see the worst. And it`s tough. It really is.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Theodore Simon out of Philadelphia, Susan Moss, child advocate in New York, Lauren Lake, defense attorney in New York, Alex Sanchez, also veteran defense attorney in New York.

So, Lauren Lake, on this latest alleged event, what`s your best defense?

LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I`ll tell you what, Nancy. Even though we`re all sick of Joran, I mean, but for my defense attorney hat tonight I`m sick of him. The bottom line is not a lot of objective, incriminating evidence in this video and De Vries should know from the last try. We need more than that. OK. The taking of a thousand dollars...

GRACE: You mean more than somebody caught on tape?

LAKE: Yes. We need more than that. Look what happened the last time, Nancy. This guy is somehow eluding the law on every occasion. If they`re going to try to catch this guy they`ve got to nail him and right now I don`t think just this videotape and this thousand dollars is what we call nailing him.

GRACE: Speaking of catching the guy, Rupa, where is he?

RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Great question. It looks like last time Joran was seen in Thailand in Bangkok was at a party on Friday night. De Vries` documentary aired over the weekend and he`s disappeared. We think he`s left the country.

GRACE: So he`s gone from the Netherlands to Thailand to the Lord only knows where.

To Alex Sanchez -- Alex, the guy is reportedly caught on tape, arranging having these girls go to the Netherlands to act as prostitutes, luring them under the guise of being models, taking money for it. He`s even caught on tape thanking his benefactor for the money.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`ll tell you, this guy De Vries is Joran Van Der Sloot`s worst nightmare.

GRACE: Tell it.

SANCHEZ: In terms of -- in terms of a defense in this case.

GRACE: Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I agree with you on that, Alex. But I don`t care who set him up. I don`t care how he was caught. He`s caught.

SANCHEZ: Well, that`s important. That`s important, though, because the person that set him up was De Vries.

GRACE: So?

SANCHEZ: And De Vries had set him up the first time around. And one begins to wonder whether De Vries has crossed the line and has gone overboard in trying to lure this kid into doing something that he did not intend on doing.

GRACE: You know what, Alex? Alex, if somebody came up to you and said, hey, I`ve got a plan. You talk young women, students into going overseas to be hookers and I`ll give you 15 thou per girl. You would run, run for the hills, as if you had seen a monster.

I mean, he`s not set up. He`s right there in it. And like Dave Holloway says, he`s caught on tape months before saying he wants to go into prostitution.

SANCHEZ: Then why, after speaking to De Vries, would he say thank you for the thousand dollars? It`s almost like he knew what was going on and he was out to trick De Vries who had previously tricked him.

GRACE: To Dr. Lisa Boesky, psychologist and author of "When to Worry," I`m not surprised that he made that smart comment when he was caught. What else could he say?

LISA BOESKY, PSYCHOLOGIST, AUTHOR OF "WHEN TO WORRY": Well, remember, this is an arrogant young man. This is one of the most dangerous kind of offenders that are out there. They don`t look like thugs. They don`t look like the strangers that people have warned us about.

This is a good looking, manipulative, charming young man who is cold, callous, and arrogant. It`s not that he thinks law enforcement is stupid. He just thinks he`s smarter than them and he can avoid getting caught.

GRACE: Which he has managed to do so far before he went on the lamb.

Back to Rupa Mikkilineni. Rupa, apparently he has made an incriminating comment to another young girl on a beach.

MIKKILINENI: Yes. That`s correct, Nancy. According to De Vries` documentary, which was mentioned, there is a witness, a young woman that might have been a girlfriend of sorts and he made a comment that indicated he knew how to get rid of corpses from a beach.

GRACE: Do we know what his words were?

MIKKILINENI: I think we do. It`s -- who knows? You may now be on the beach with someone who`s able to get rid of a corpse.

GRACE: OK. Alex Sanchez, thoughts?

SANCHEZ: I think that`s a very troubling statement but if that is true.

GRACE: Very troubling.

SANCHEZ: . then how come the authorities don`t go to the grand jury with the tapes made in that car as well as this witness.

GRACE: You know what?

SANCHEZ: And obtain an -- an indictment?

GRACE: Susan Moss, why don`t they?

SUSAN MOSS, CHILD ADVOCATE, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: I don`t know. This guy is a walking felony. You know, certainly the expectation is, is that because somebody is trying to protect this guy because of his father`s stature but I -- I don`t know why.

GRACE: On the line, Sue in Maryland. Hi, Sue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi there, Nancy.

GRACE: What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God bless you and your family. I hope they keep you safe from all these monsters out there.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, isn`t it possible t to go to the Netherlands and find some of these girls and these prostitution rings that will also help?

GRACE: To John Lucich, former investigator and author of "Cyber Lies" what about it? Is that where we start this investigation?

JOHN LUCICH, INVESTIGATOR, AUTHOR OF "CYBER LIES": No. I don`t think so. It`s a needle in a hay stack when you try and go over to Thailand and try to find somebody like Natalee Holloway.

First of all, I believe, like Peter De Vries, and let me just say God bless Peter De Vries. People have said he tried to cross the line or he may have crossed the line. He did more than anybody to bringing this creature to light.

Everybody knows what -- he`s a serial predator, based on everything we know about him right now. There is nothing, and unfortunately Thailand is not going to do anything because they have a horrible track record, it`s crimes against children, and his own country is protecting him.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it was an accident, I mean I`m sure -- I really truly feel that he gave her some kind of drug but -- and then, you know, if something happened to her, why not be a man and just say, look, this happened and -- but I knew when they wouldn`t help us come look for her the next day and he goes out and starts hiring attorneys and everything that there was something bad.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the sudden disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway, missing off her high school senior trip, Aruba. Aruban police claim they can`t or won`t make a case against Van Der Sloot in the disappearance of Holloway, even after a Dutch crime reporter takes months of high-tech secret surveillance proving what happened the night the Alabama beauty vanished. Aruban courts let Van Der Sloot, the judge`s son, walk free.
But tonight, we have obtained the video and audiotape that may land judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot behind bars. That`s right, judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot busted, preying on unsuspecting young women, attempting to lure them into the sex trade between Thailand and his birth place, the Netherlands, Van Der Sloot reported to make up to $13,000 per female recruit. And now that Van Der Sloot is busted again, Aruban prosecutors say they`re back on the Holloway case, now deciding whether to re-arrest Van Der Sloot. But tonight, will Van Der Sloot, reportedly in hiding, finally land where he belong, behind bars? Somebody tell me how`s Daddy going to get him out of this one?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like dancing.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: And he offering you $15,000 to dance. And I understand you tell me that you have school you have to finish. I understand. And you can tell me, OK, after your school, will we talk about it again?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. And how long I have to dance for, one hour, two hours?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, like, 10 hour a day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh! That`s too much!

VAN DER SLOOT: I don`t know.

(CROSSTALK)

VAN DER SLOOT: From 5:00 in the afternoon to 5:00 in the morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That a lot!

VAN DER SLOOT: That`s a lot, yes, I know, but it`s not dance the whole time. You take break. You talk to the guys, you know, make them feel good, give them drink.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Yes, he`s the man.

And tonight, the mystery surrounding a beautiful young mom of two vanishing into thin air straight out America`s heartland.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Searches resumed today in the case of missing 27- year-old mother of two Alisha Sidie. According to reports, Sidie left her home between 9:00 and 10:00 PM Friday night after an argument with her ex- husband. Over 150 volunteers are assisting in the search effort, with helicopters, canines and dive teams all scouring the area for the young mom. Alisha`s sister, Tracy, says there`s no way that Alisha would have left without her 2-year-old twin boys at her side. Police say there`s no evidence of foul play and will continue to search for Alisha, who was last seen wearing a long-sleeved white shirt and blue scrub pants.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is very unusual for her. I`ve known Alisha since she was a little baby. She`s like a sister to me. She`s like my daughter. She is -- this is very unusual for her, very unusual. She would never do this. Never.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Breaking news tonight in the disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway. We have obtained a video and audiotape that may land judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot behind bars.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For me -- $15,000 is nothing for me.

VAN DER SLOOT: OK, $15,000 is nothing for you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. No. Not much.

VAN DER SLOOT: $15,000 is nothing for her.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... but when we do overtime, yes, maybe we can do that, like (INAUDIBLE)

VAN DER SLOOT: OK, but look what you have to do for that. From here, you have to shake your ass. That`s all you have to do. If I could shake my ass for $15,000, I would shake my ass for $15,000.

(LAUGHTER)

VAN DER SLOOT: Today, all they want is just to see you, so you show them how beautiful you are...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... because you understand we have a club in Holland.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m interested to go abroad, but you know I cannot because I make the decision that I cannot leave my school.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: OK. Like, listen, baby, I`m from Holland and they from Holland also. And I go to the Holland embassy already and I look and for to get the paper to give to you right away. That`s not a problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

VAN DER SLOOT: So for -- go for, like, three months or something is very easy. It`s very easy. But for to get work permit, like, one year or two years, is more hard. And Holland very, very different than Bangkok. Holland is also very nice and very peaceful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think you can get a lot of lady to go over there if you go to the government for looking people to find a job.

VAN DER SLOOT: The important thing is they want to do it good also. You don`t want to do it like paperwork good and that`s important for them also for the name and cannot do it like wrong. Just like no, no, no, they want to do it good. Real job is good also.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Is a real job even for the nice club.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Yes, he is the big man. That`s judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Alabama honor grad Natalee Holloway. He managed to escape jail in her death, but now he`s busted again, this time trying to lure college students into the European sex trade. You just saw the videotape.

Out to Jossy Mansur, the owner and managing director of "Diario" magazine. Jossy, will there be charges?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": I think they have to introduce charges against him because the evidence is too much. I mean, it`s been recorded. I mean, we have all seen what was going on, how he tried to lure these girls, how he lied to them that it was going to be a modeling job, photo sessions, et cetera. But all the time, he had in mind a work time of 10 hours (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: And in fact, he`s caught on videotape accepting payment, a down payment on luring young college co-eds into the sex trade, telling them they`d be models and ending up in a brothel in the Netherlands. That`s what Joran Van Der Sloot has been doing. In case you`ve been wondering whatever happened to Joran Van Der Sloot, now we know.

With -- reporter from WBMA, Deborah Pugatch -- what can you tell us, Deborah?

DEBORAH PUGATCH, WBMA PRODUCER: Well, what we do know is the first footage in the United States aired this morning. When it aired Sunday in the Netherlands, Thai authorities said, I want a transcript, to see if they had a case against Joran Van Der Sloot.

GRACE: Oh, blah, blah, Deborah! The said the same thing the last time Joran Van Der Sloot was caught on videotape talking about Natalee Holloway`s death. And what did they do? Let it slip through their fingers. OK, maybe the second bite of the apple will be different.

Take a look at Joran Van Der Sloot caught on videotape.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER SLOOT: Today, all they want is just to see you, so you show them how beautiful you are...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... because you understand we have a club in Holland.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m interested to go abroad, but you know I cannot because I make the decision that I cannot leave my school.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: OK. Like, listen, baby, I`m from Holland and they from Holland also. And I go to the Holland embassy already and I look and for to get the paper to give to you right away. That`s not a problem.

OK. Like, listen, I from Holland and they from Holland also. I go to the Holland embassy already. I look for them to give the paper they give to you right away. That`s not a problem.

To go for, like, three months or something is very easy. Very easy. For one year or two year is more hard. And Holland very, very different than Bangkok. Holland also very nice, very peaceful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think you can get a lot of lady to go over there if the government for looking people for a job.

VAN DER SLOOT: The important thing is they want to do it good also. You don`t want to do it like paperwork good and that`s important for them also for the name and cannot do it like wrong. Just like no, no, no, they want to do it good. Is real job.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is real job even for the nice club.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: He is so busted! Yes, the Netherlands very nice, very peaceful -- for hookers! He didn`t finish the sentence. We are taking your calls live.

Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Ray Giudice, defense attorney out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Michael Mazzariello, defense attorney and host of "Closing Arguments" on WGNY, and a special guest joining us tonight, international law and criminal defense attorney Michael Griffith. He is based in New York, travels all over the world handling cases.

Michael Griffith, if it were anywhere but Thailand or Aruba, I would say he`s busted. What about you?

MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY: Nancy, first, hi. It`s nice to see you. Nancy, I hate to burst everybody`s balloon. I`m a member of the criminal law committee of the international bar. I`m a member...

GRACE: "Burst your bubble." Go ahead.

GRIFFITH: All right. I`ve got the transcript here. There`s nothing in the transcripts that have been said except that these girls were going to go for dancing. Maybe that`s not true, but that`s what the tapes show. This Mr. De Vries really dropped the ball. If he wanted to get something out of this...

GRACE: Well, hold on. Hold on.

GRIFFITH: ... they should have -- Nancy, they should have...

GRACE: That`s a good point, Michael. That`s all we`ve heard so far. But hold on. Out to Peter Schouten, spokesperson for De Vries. He`s joining us from the Netherlands. Peter, isn`t it true that he is caught on tape going over the scheme where he represents to the young girls it`s a modeling job, but where he`s actually talking about it being prostitution?

PETER SCHOUTEN, SPOKESMAN FOR PETER DE VRIES: Yes. That is exactly correct, Nancy. And that is, of course, not the only thing. Joran also took the initiative to basically employ this kind of operation and he contacted people to work out a network for him in the Netherlands that he could trade the girls. So I disagree with the attorney there. There is a lot done (ph) to basically make this a criminal matter.

GRACE: So long story short -- with me is spokesperson for De Vries, Peter Schouten. Peter, he`s on tape talking about the young girls being prostitutes in the Netherlands. Yes, no.

SCHOUTEN: Yes. Correct. He is basically doing human trafficking to deliver girls to whorehouses, brothels and window (ph) prostitution.

GRACE: With me tonight exclusively joining us, Dave Holloway, Natalee Holloway`s father. Dave, thank you for being with us. We spoke briefly last night. Now that you`ve had time to digest all of this, now that you`ve seen the tapes yourself, what do you think?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Thank you for having me, Nancy. It`s really unbelievable. But you know, talking to the experts in the past about his behavior, they pegged him right on it. They said he`d strike again in some form or other fashion, and he`s done that.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was offering them a job as models in Holland.

VAN DER SLOOT: Look what you have to do for that. From here you have to shake your ass. That`s all you have to do. If I could shake my ass for $15,000, I would shake my ass for $15,000.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in truth, he was trying to coax them into prostitution -- in other words, into the sex industries in Holland.

HOLLOWAY: It`s absolutely disgusting that this guy is involved in something like this. I hope the Thailand police do their job and get this guy. He needs to be taken off the streets.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For me, $15,000 is nothing for me.

VAN DER SLOOT: OK, $15,000 is nothing for you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no. Not much.

VAN DER SLOOT: $15,000. Is nothing for her. $15,000 is nothing.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: The women you see, judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot snugged up in a hotel room with are college students there in Thailand. According to Peter De Vries, investigative reporter who`s responsible for this undercover video, he is trying to talk them into going to the Netherlands, his birth place, to be dancers and models. Translation, hookers.

We are taking your calls live. Out to Leah in Virginia. Hi, Leah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. The children are beautiful. I was wondering what charges could he possibly be facing?

GRACE: Back to the lawyers. Joining us, international law and criminal defense attorney Michael Griffith, veteran trial lawyer Raymond Giudice out of Atlanta, Michael Mazzariello out of New York.

Ray, hit me. What could he be facing?

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I want to switch the venue from Thailand to Holland. I think there`s two problems for this gentleman. One is, is he the front man for a group of clubs or organizations and he`s been sent over to bring these girls back, so there`s a big conspiracy? And secondly, is he attempting to defraud the Dutch immigration authorities? When you go to Europe, they want to know why you`re there, how long you`re going to stay, and if you`re working, it has to be for a legal and moral purpose.

GRACE: Ruh-roh! What about it, Mazzariello? He`s right about immigration, at least. I guess the feds aren`t going to pooh-pooh this.

MICHAEL MAZZARIELLO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s why I like Ray. He`s right on the money, Nancy. Throw in a couple of, you know, trafficking charges in there, get the tax people involved, and he could have real problems in Holland.

GRACE: Tax people? You think this guy`s ever held down a job? Are you kidding me?

MAZZARIELLO: Well, Nancy, that`s -- at least it`s what they could get the Thai government to get to hold him and to inquire further. I mean, just hold the guy and try to interrogate him.

GRACE: Michael?

GRIFFITH: Nancy, there`s been no crime committed here because, number one...

GRACE: He`s soliciting for prostitution!

GRIFFITH: Nancy, Nancy...

MAZZARIELLO: Not on tape.

GRIFFITH: Nancy, listen to Mike. Right now, there`s nothing on tape saying anything about prostitution.

GRACE: You`re making my jaw hurt.

GRIFFITH: No, just listen to me. This is what I do.

GRACE: Oh!

GRIFFITH: The second thing is, if they would have waited to have the false papers made out, help to pay for the airline tickets, bring the girls to Holland and then put them in prostitution -- by the way, where it`s legal there -- but then put them in...

GRACE: And wait until the girls get their first $20?

(CROSSTALK)

GRIFFITH: That`s how you make the sting. Nancy, that`s how you make the sting. De Vries, to get his 15 minutes of fame, messed things up. He jumped the gun.

GRACE: So you won`t be happy until a college student actually turns her first trick. Do I have that right, Griffith?

GRIFFITH: No. No. I said...

GRACE: Yes, I do.

GRIFFITH: ... you got to -- you have to have false papers, put them on the plane, send them to Holland...

GRACE: Listen...

GRIFFITH: ... and then you can make the arrest.

GRACE: Let me just break it down. To Mike Brooks. You know the deal, Brooks -- former fed with the FBI. Mike, when an undercover cop is doing a sting, a vice sting, they don`t actually do the deed. You go solicit a hooker, she gets in the car, says, Yes, I`ll turn a trick for X amount of money. Boom. That`s when the sting goes down, right there.

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Usually, Nancy, to make a prostitution case, you need a place, a price and an act. Now, in this particular one, we`re talking, you know, college students that are, you know, allegedly college students...

GRACE: They`re college students.

BROOKS: Yes. OK. And there`s a the lot of college students working their way through school in Las Vegas also, Nancy.

GRACE: You`re right. Blame the victim. Go ahead.

BROOKS: No, I`m telling you. You know, I -- look, if you look at prostitution rings...

GRACE: Make your point, please. Please. Point.

BROOKS: Look. Bangkok, do you think that they really care? Because...

GRACE: No.

BROOKS: ... -do they want any -- do they want any attention into the sex industry in their country? Absolutely not. I think Raymond is absolutely right. You got to go back on the Dutch end of things and work it from there.

GRACE: They don`t care, either. The Netherlands don`t care.

BROOKS: Well, yes, the Dutch authorities screwed the Holloway investigation up from the very beginning, but...

GRACE: Yes, I mean, Dave Holloway, he`s got a point. With me exclusively tonight is Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway. Yes, he`s caught on tape again, but he`s been caught on tape before, describing Natalee`s death. Nothing happened. So we really think the Netherlands care about planning prostitution? Dave Holloway?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, I`m sorry?

GRACE: Go ahead, dear.

HOLLOWAY: You know, Nancy, I really don`t think that -- in my opinion, that they`ll probably do anything with this. It`s my hope and faith, and you know, just prayer that they will do something, but I`ve been down this road...

GRACE: How much more evidence do we have to hand them on a silver platter before they finally do something, Dave Holloway?

HOLLOWAY: You know, they`ve been handed the confession on a silver platter and they didn`t do anything. And that`s why I think in this case, you know, maybe I`m being a little bit negative on it, but...

GRACE: Well, I`m sure you don`t want to...

HOLLOWAY: ... you know, I know that...

GRACE: ... get your hopes up and then be dashed.

HOLLOWAY: I don`t want to get my hopes up high. You know, I think...

GRACE: Speaking of that tape, Dave...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Go ahead. I`m sorry.

HOLLOWAY: I think they could probably charge him for preparation of human trafficking. I think they`ve probably got a good case there because I`ve seen some of the e-mail transmissions between he and his friend where they talk about it.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. To Linda in Texas. Hi, Linda.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I am calling -- first every all, Mr. Holloway, I would like to apologize for the loss of your daughter. And I hope we can somehow or another bring closure soon. My question is, since we`ve never actually found Natalee`s body, is it possible that the word could spread in Thailand, that maybe she might be there or maybe some of the girls that Joran Van Der Sloot has talked to has maybe mentioned her name and her whereabouts?

GRACE: What about that, too, Jossy Mansur, managing director and owner of "Diario" magazine? What about it, Jossy?

MANSUR: I think that`s very highly unlikely, Nancy. I don`t think that -- according to all the evidence we`ve seen from the beginning of this case, I don`t think she`s alive. I`m sorry to say that. I wish she were. But I think that in view of that and confirming it in the first program of De Vries, in Joran`s own voice, we heard him say that he was with her when she died.

GRACE: Well, actually, you know what? I`ve got that with me right now. Let`s roll that, Jossy. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): She just lying still?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Still. Still. She`s not doing anything. He says, What happened? I said, I don`t know either, man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Of course. I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the bitch. I was, like -- like, What`s wrong with you, man? I almost wanted to cry. What (DELETED) happened to me. I said to him, This is impossible.

He took the body. He went far out and he threw her over the side. Then he came back and he docked his boat there. And he came by my house for a bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): At night?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Yes. Then we talked for a bit and he says to me, You know, it`s all good. She`s going to be missing. They`re going to search, but they`re not going to know a thing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is from ABC`s "20/20." It`s from Peter De Vries`s hidden camera interview of Joran Van Der Sloot describing what happened to Natalee Holloway the night she went missing.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: You are seeing secretly recorded video of Joran Van Der Sloot, the judge`s son, the prime suspect in the death and disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway. He is busted again.

Out to Peter Schouten, spokesperson for Peter De Vries. Peter, how was this set up?

SCHOUTEN: Well, Joran has a poker buddy, an on-line poker buddy, which he boasted a lot to after he moved to Thailand when we exposed him the first time, about how he was living like a king there. And then slowly, he started to ask this poker buddy if he could help him in setting up a network in the Netherlands for trafficking girls.

Now, what Joran didn`t know was that this buddy was actually a certified security guard. So of course, his moral standards were totally not the same like Joran`s. And he choose to contact Peter De Vries and tell him what was perspiring (SIC). So then we were getting involved in the case and decided to set up a sting.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For me $15,000 is nothing for me.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: OK. $15,000 is nothing for you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no. Not much.

VAN DER SLOOT: $15,000 is nothing for her. $15,000 is nothing for her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But when we do overtime, yes, maybe we can do that, right, at $15,000.

VAN DER SLOOT: OK. But look what you have to do for that. From here you have to shake your ass. That`s all you have to do. If I could shake my ass for $15,000, I shake my ass for $15,000.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like dancing.

VAN DER SLOOT: And he offering you 15,000 baht to dance. And I understand you tell me that you have school.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: You have to finish. I understand. And you can tell me OK, after your school we talk about again?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: But.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And how long I have to dance for? One hour, two hour?

VAN DER SLOOT: No. Like 10 hour a day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s too much.

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, no. I don`t know. I don`t know.

(CROSSTALK)

VAN DER SLOOT: From five to ten. Yes, from 5:00 in the afternoon to 5:00 in the morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, that`s a lot.

VAN DER SLOOT: That`s a lot, yes, I know. But it`s not dance the whole time. You take break. You talk to the guys, you know, make them feel good. Give them drink.

Today all they want is to see you is to show them how beautiful you are.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because you understand we have a club in Holland.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m interested to go abroad but, you know, I know I cannot because I make the decision I cannot leave my school.

VAN DER SLOOT: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: OK, like, listen, baby, I`m from Holland. And they`re from Holland also. And I go to Holland embassy already.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: And I look and for to get the paper to give to you right away. That`s not a problem. So for go for like three month or something is very easy. But for to get like work permit like one year or two year is more hard. And Holland, very, very different than Bangkok. Holland also very nice and very peaceful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think you can get a lot of lady to go over there if you go to the government for looking people to find a job.

VAN DER SLOOT: Well, the important thing is you want to do it then they want to do it good also. Also you don`t want to do it like paperwork good and everything in order. Everything good. That`s important for them also for the name and cannot do like wrong, just like no, no, no, they want to do it good. Is real job is good also.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Is real job even for the nice club.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: And when you hear him offering, Joran Van Der Sloot, the judge`s son, the prime suspect in the death of Natalee Holloway, talking about $15,000. It`s not $15,000, it`s 15,000 baht which equals $428 for a month of prostitution. Yes, that`s a real deal.

We are taking your calls live.

To Dr. Marty Makary, physician and professor of public health, joining us from Johns Hopkins -- Dr. Makary, thank you for being with us. It`s now over three years since Natalee went missing.

What is the likelihood, if her remains are found now, that the Aruba authorities are interested in the case after seeing this? What would you expect to find, assume it`s under water?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, of course, the likelihood is very low. You know an entire merit case will rest on the forensic evidence from a body because it`s a gold mine of evidence.

And in this case they`ve searched the ocean. Salt is a natural detergent. The currents of the ocean floor are strong and accelerate decomposition. So it is highly unlikely that anything is going to come out of this.

You know crimes at sea are difficult for this reason. And you do not want to get on a boat with anybody that you don`t trust fully.

GRACE: To Patricia Saunders, clinical psychologist joining us in New York -- Dr. Saunders, you know, he came this close to an arrest in a murder case. Why didn`t he just lay low and mind his own business? What happened to going to college and going straight?

PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, this guy is a predator and he`s obviously a parasite. He dropped out of college because he wants the easy way. Joran Van Der Sloot really looks like a sociopath, Nancy, no remorse, no empathy, thinks he is a lot smarter than he really is.

The only good news so far is if he doesn`t get caught this time he will continue doing it and he will get caught.

GRACE: Well, I guess you can view that as good news that he will continue to prey on other people and maybe get caught. And then there`s the big maybe whether authorities in Netherlands will do anything about it.

I want to go back to Peter Schouten, spokesperson for Peter De Vries.

Peter, it`s my understanding that he cannot be found. He`s gone in hiding under the name of Murphy Jenkins and maybe on an island off the Thai, Ko Samui. What do you know?

PETER SCHOUTEN, SPOKESMAN FOR PETER DE VRIES, EXECUTED STING OPERATION: Yes, it`s correct. He ran off and according to the rumors, he took a plane to Ko Samui together with his accomplice. So at this moment it`s difficult to find him.

We have people posting outside the house after Peter De Vries made this phone call to Joran. But suddenly (INAUDIBLE) at the house and he was (INAUDIBLE) in driving away and just went into hiding.

GRACE: There is Van Der Sloot at the airport believed to be traveling under the name, the pseudonym, Murphy Jenkins, last known to be boarding on a plane to Ko Samui.

Let`s see that map again.

Out to the line, Beth in Florida. Hi, Beth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, Nancy. Love your show.

GRACE: Bless you. Thank you for calling in. What is your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One, who is funding this guy? I mean who is actually paying for him?

GRACE: Excellent question.

Jossy Mansur with "Diario" magazine, is daddy still footing the bill, mommy and daddy?

JOSSY MANSUR, OWNER AND MANAGING DIRECTOR, "DIARIO": I think probably, because I -- I don`t see any other source of income that he has. He never worked in his life.

GRACE: What happened to school?

MANSUR: Well, I don`t know, but he`s not going to school anymore. He disappeared from Holland. And suddenly he is living in Thailand and now he disappears again. So I don`t know what his interest in school is.

GRACE: To Donny in South Carolina, hi, Donny.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love your show and thank you so much for sharing the pictures of your adorable babies with us every week.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Question is, if he is charged with human trafficking, what is the most amount of time he can get in jail? And also, can he be charged for evading the police since he is hiding under a new alias now?

GRACE: OK. Michael Griffith, try to answer that objectively. Go ahead.

NANCY GRIFFITH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I don`t know what the statute is in Holland, but if this were done correctly, since only maybe 11 people in Thailand know where Aruba is, and if they could have got this man and done this sting in the Netherlands, then they could have used the charges in the Netherlands to possibly make him cooperate with what happened in Aruba. But they didn`t do that. Mr. De Vries totally messed up things here.

GRACE: If it weren`t for De Vries we wouldn`t even have the knowledge that this is happening. What is with you and De Vries? You`ve never even met him.

GRIFFITH: He didn`t do this properly. He should have done this properly with the police.

GRACE: Yes, the police should have done it. The police should have done it. But guess what, they`re twiddling their thumbs. No, they`re sitting on their thumbs. And I won`t describe that any further.

Ray Giudice, what about it? What could he face?

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, certainly not running from law enforcement. There`s no charges.

GRACE: How do you know? He`s in hiding.

GIUDICE: Somebody should issue a warrant, put it through Interpol and let him get picked up. That`s how it happens. So until there`s a warrant, Nancy, or an investigation he`s not running from any.

GRACE: He`s not running. You`re absolutely correct.

Michael Mazzariello, agree or disagree?

MICHAEL MAZZARIELLO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, HOST OF "CLOSING: Absolutely agree.

GRACE: Back to the lines, Julie in Indiana. Hi, Julie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. You look great.

GRACE: Thank you, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is they`ve found Natalee. Have they ever thought about looking for her in a brothel?

GRACE: I want to go back to Natalee`s dad with us exclusively tonight, Dave Holloway. That theory had been floated at the beginning. What do you make of it?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Yes, it was. We had all kinds of theories in the very beginning. But as the investigation continued and this first Peter De Vries tape pretty much summarized what happened to Natalee.

I had a long in-depth conversation with Patrick, the person who was with Joran for six or seven months. And there`s a lot of things that he told me that was not on the videotape. And he assured me that Joran told him on many occasions what happened.

GRACE: What, what, what did he tell you?

HOLLOWAY: Well, he just basically said what was on the tape was the truth and that was confirmed by three other experts.

GRACE: Well, speaking of the tape, Dave, here it is.

Everybody, we are showing you the tape he`s talking about from ABC`s "20/20."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PATRICK VAN DER EEM (through translator): How were you so sure she was dead, Joran? You can`t, you know, people can also go into coma.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I wasn`t sure about that but it really scared me to death.

VAN DER EEM: No, but I understand that. I definitely understand that, that you were scared. She really brought it to herself.

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. But it didn`t look good.

VAN DER EEM: How didn`t it look good then?

VAN DER SLOOT: Just, you know, she had been shaking and stuff.

VAN DER EEM: What, really shaking?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I don`t know. Yes. Pretty much.

VAN DER EEM: I`m asking you. How were you so (EXPLETIVE DELETED) sure she was dead, man?

VAN DER SLOOT: I wasn`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) sure.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That was from "20/20" from ABC. Joran Van Der Sloot seemingly concerned about his own fate as opposed to that of American teen Natalee Holloway.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(NEWSBREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like dancing.

VAN DER SLOOT: And he offering you 15,000 baht to dance. And I understand you tell me that you have school.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: You have to finish. I understand. And you can tell me OK, after your school we talk about again?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: But.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And how long I have to dance for? One hour, two hour?

VAN DER SLOOT: No. Like 10 hour a day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s too much.

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, no. I don`t know. I don`t know.

(CROSSTALK)

VAN DER SLOOT: From five to ten. Yes, from 5:00 in the afternoon to 5:00 in the morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, that`s a lot.

VAN DER SLOOT: That`s a lot, yes, I know. But it`s not dance the whole time. You take break. You talk to the guys, you know, make them feel good. Give them drink.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We`re about to take you to America`s heartland and a missing mom of two. But very quickly, back to Peter Schouten.

Peter, have the authorities in the Netherlands displayed the least bit interest in prosecuting Van Der Sloot?

SCHOUTEN: Well, they did and also in Thailand. The ambassador immediately asked for the tapes and translated them. Where Michael is wrong is that masterminding and flipping a crime like this is a criminal offense which can be prosecuted in both Thailand and the Netherlands.

GRACE: And.

SCHOUTEN: Joran produced the girls and he took the money as advance payment. And those are criminal (INAUDIBLE) and offenses.

GRACE: Absolutely. And to Deborah Pugatch of WBMA -- Deborah, what can you tell me about Ko Samui and the possibility he`s traveling under the name Murphy Jenkins?

DEBORAH PUGATCH, PRODUCER, CNN AFFILIATE WBMA, COVERING STORY: I did that -- tonight is the first time that I`ve actually heard about him traveling under an alias. I had not heard anything about that. All we know.

GRACE: What do you know about that island?

PUGATCH: I do not know much of anything about that Thai island either. This is the first time that I have heard that he has gone there or has been traveling under an alias.

GRACE: Peter, has it been confirmed that he is there at Ko Samui?

SCHOUTEN: No. It has not been not confirmed. It is a rumor.

GRACE: In the Dutch reports.

Everyone, we are staying on top of it. Joran Van Der Sloot may be finally be looking at the inside of a jail cell.

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THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(NEWSBREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like dancing.

VAN DER SLOOT: And he offering you 15,000 baht to dance. And I understand you tell me that you have school.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: You have to finish. I understand. And you can tell me OK, after your school we talk about again?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

VAN DER SLOOT: But.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And how long I have to dance for? One hour, two hour?

VAN DER SLOOT: No. Like 10 hour a day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s too much.

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, no. I don`t know. I don`t know.

(CROSSTALK)

VAN DER SLOOT: From five to ten. Yes, from 5:00 in the afternoon to 5:00 in the morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, that is long.

VAN DER SLOOT: That`s a lot, yes, I know. But it`s not dance the whole time. You take break. You talk to the guys, you know, make them feel good. Give them drink.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: I can hardly even look at it.

(INAUDIBLE) Joran Van Der Sloot, caught in the act, reportedly, trying to ensnare young college students to become hookers. Of course, they thought they were going to be dancers and models.

To Art Harris, investigative journalist, unconfirmed reports as we go to air, that police have finally tracked down Joran Van Der Sloot. Yes, no.

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, COVERING STORY: That`s right, Nancy, on a small island off the coast of Thailand. A policeman who actually had his photon on his mobile phone spotted him and he`s now reportedly under arrest for -- you know, for this investigation.

I spoke to the Thai embassy today, Nancy, and if this is true, under Thai sex trafficking laws passed this June, he could face stiff prison term and a big fine.

GRACE: Oh boohoo.

Let`s go back to the lawyers, now joining me, along with Renee Rockwell, Atlanta, Alan Ripla, New York, international law attorney, Michael Griffith in New York.

Michael Griffith, you`re back for more.

MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY. CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I love being here seeing you again.

GRACE: So what about this? Why is he hiding out in Ko Samui?

GRIFFITH: Well, you know, Nancy, after seeing this video again, you know, I believe there`s been a double scam here.

GRACE: Let me guess.

GRIFFITH: Listen to this.

GRACE: Van Der Sloot is the victim?

GRIFFITH: No, listen to this.

GRACE: Can you make it brief?

GRIFFITH: Nowhere has -- prostitution been mentioned on this video or in the transcript. Yesterday, the spokesperson said that prostitution was mentioned. It was mentioned, it would have been on your video.

I believe what happened was, Van De Vries, the reporter, took a film crew over there, spent thousands of dollars, was probably paid for to do a sting, they got a hotel, and no prostitution was mentioned. And now they`re pandering to the world that there was prostitution.

GRACE: So what is he doing trying to pay these college students $428 to get papers to go to the Netherlands?

GRIFFITH: First of all, there were no papers.

GRACE: We just heard him say that. What was he talking about, Griffith?

GRIFFITH: To dance. He`s a self-styled dance promoter, obviously.

GRACE: OK, you know what, I`m glad you said that.

GRIFFITH: He has nothing to do with prostitution.

GRACE: I`m going to save that clip for your (INAUDIBLE).

I want to go to Peter Schouten, spokesperson for De Vries. It is on the video, he is caught talking about prostitution, correct?

PETER SCHOUTEN, SPOKESMAN FOR PETER DE VRIES, EXECUTED STING OPERATION: Yes, hi, Nancy, that`s correct. And he has (INAUDIBLE), he represented himself clearly as a pimp. Michael is totally wrong.

Joran initiated this crime himself. He produced the girls, he made the deal, he took the money. He did human trafficking with the intent to exploit the girls, and that carries a maximum of eight years in jail.

GRACE: To Rupa Mikkilineni, our producer on this story -- Rupa, the offshoot of all of this is it has reignited the investigation into Natalee Hallow way`s death. Explain.

RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s correct, Nancy. Basically, the Aruban authorities -- I was on the phone with Hans Moss with yesterday, and essentially, De Vries, his original tape which was aired last year, at the end of last year, reignited the case. They were about to close the case last December.

Now let me just make this clear. They weren`t going to close the investigation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. They were only going to close the investigation against Van Der Sloot.

GRACE: The new witness, the new witness, the new witness. Tell me.

MIKKILINENI: So they have a new witness that`s come out, and apparently this guy came forward before, but authorities didn`t take him seriously. They didn`t think he was credible. Now this witness was given polygraph tests, two polygraph tests that he did pass, and he says that the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared, he saw somebody looking like Joran Van Der Sloot and he does say that he recognizes Joran Van Der Sloot later on in the upcoming days.

GRACE: You know what, I`m interested, Rupa, that you said he`s passed two polygraphs.

Art Harris, what exactly does he say he saw the night Natalee went missing?

HARRIS: Two questions. He says that he saw Joran Van Der Sloot walking down a road at the time that Natalee was reportedly disappeared. Muddy, from the waist down, and later driving back in a red jeep, with a man he later recognized as Paul as his father.

GRACE: To Dave Holloway, joining us tonight exclusively. This is Natalee`s father. What do you make of this witness?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: You know, we knew about the witness probably eight or nine months ago. He identified himself to the boat captain, John Savati, and from there we proceeded to introduce him to the police department, so that they could take a witness statement.

And unfortunately, the police did not want to take him seriously. So we in turn provided him with an attorney. The attorney believed the witness. And we allowed him to talk to the prosecutor, and the prosecutor still discounted him. So the last resort was we.

GRACE: It`s ridiculous.

HOLLOWAY: We asked him to come to Houston, Texas, and we did a polygraph test, and guess what.

GRACE: He passed.

HOLLOWAY: He passed.

GRACE: Back to Art Harris, investigative journalist, he`s passed two polygraph tests. Tell me, how does daddy, daddy judge Van Der Sloot fit into this scenario?

HARRIS: Well, Nancy, he has told police that he woke up that morning at 7:00. So the worst case, this witness can only be used right now to show that father, the judge, is lying if he is believed. This is not enough to reopen a murder investigation.

GRACE: Says you. I`m sorry, I thought you were an investigative journalist.

(CROSSTALK)

HARRIS: Well, I`ve known you long enough, Nancy. But since he told - - Hans Mos told your producers that only if they found a witness who saw Natalee Holloway on the beach with Joran would they be able to make an arrest.

GRACE: To Rupa Mikkilineni, doesn`t the witness place the judge on the scene?

MIKKILINENI: Yes, the witness does place the judge on the scene. But the thing is we`re not sure where the scene of the crime is. We don`t know if Natalee died on the beach, we don`t know if she died in a pond.

GRACE: Well, that`s what he said on the videotape in the SUV. He says she died on the beach. And he got rid of the body, Rupa. Didn`t he?

MIKKILINENI: He does confess this or admit this in the tape, Nancy. But here`s the thing. We`ve got this witness that places him near a pond that his first.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Speaking of miscarriage of justice, back to the lawyers. Michael Griffith, Renee Rockwell, Alan Ripka.

Renee Rockwell, I`ve never heard anything so ridiculous in my life that you`ve got to have a witness placing him there on the beach with her the night she died? That`s not true. You can make a case on circumstantial evidence. Plus he confessed on a -- in that SUV when he was being secretly recorded.

ROCKWELL: Nancy, I don`t know what else it`s going to take. I`ll say one thing. This deal with the pond and the slow walk and the dad following him, the best -- I have to agree with Art -- that you`re going to get out of that is perhaps some false swearing. Nothing near homicide.

GRACE: Says you.

To Dr. Joshua Perper -- Dr. Perper -- oh-oh, satellite down on Perper. Alan Ripka, weigh in.

RIPKA: Well, at the end of the day when you have an unsolved murder it`s amazing that they would discount a witness statement that placed the father and son together. I can`t believe that, Nancy. Certainly that shows that the father was lying. And that will continue an investigation because you know he`s got something to hide.

GRACE: Michael Griffith, I know what you`re going to say. So to Mike Brooks.

MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: Well, Nancy, you know, if you recall back during the investigation, apparently they did pay attention to him a little bit, because if you recall, during the investigation in Aruba, they went back and they drained that pond that was right near the Marriott Hotel. Apparently they thought that some of his story was at least true.

GRACE: Joran Van Der Sloot. Apparently, police have caught up with him on an island off the Thai coast. We`ll keep you posted.

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