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« Reply #380 on: February 08, 2008, 10:45:01 AM »

Mother Van der Sloot: Joran has no half brother

Family Van der Sloot with left, Anita van der Sloot.  Joran has two younger brothers.

ORANJESTAD – The mother of Joran van der Sloot, Anita, wants to clear up the rumours that Joran has a half brother; he does not; this half brother does not exist.  She told the Amigoe this yesterday.   

Amigoe reported yesterday that the Dutch current affairs column and the local radio transmitter Cool FM assumed that a certain Lorenzo van R. was the person that helped murder-suspect Joran dispose of Natalee Holloway’s body with a boat.  Daury Rodriguez’s name was mentioned earlier as the ‘boatman’, but Rodriguez denied this.  Joran van der Sloot said in the talked-about footage of Peter R. de Vries that he was helped by ‘Daury’.

Also in the early stages of the investigation, family Van der Sloot has rebutted this rumour.  “Justice has investigated it at that time and could ascertain that nothing tallies.  But the media is digging into it again.  How are Joran’s brothers going to understand this now?  They asked me if what is in the Amigoe is true; that they have a half brother.  This is on top of everything that has already happened.”

Also Lorenzo’s family had already told a newspaper in the past that this story about half brother is not true.  The two families had contact with each other right after family Van der Sloot moved to Aruba in 1990.  “They had an auto-repair shop and we have taken our car to them a few times.  Lorenzo was five or six years old at that time and Joran two-and-a-half.”

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The Netherlands as well as the United States are keeping a close track of all the latest developments in the Holloway-case.  The Netherlands that was the first to broadcast Peter R. de Vries’ footage last Sunday, noted a viewing record of seven million people.  ABC has broadcast the footage on Monday and at least 12 million Americans watched it, which is 11 percent of the TV-viewers at that moment.

De Vries has meanwhile left for the US to appear in several prominent talk shows.  Aruban televiewers could watch the footage on ABC via cable for the first time on Monday.  They have already seen and heard fragments via local radio- and TV-transmitters and on internet earlier. 

Patrick van der Eem, the man that encouraged a confession from Joran van der Sloot on a hidden camera, seems to become ‘the big hero’ in the Netherlands and in the US, confirmed the office of Peter R. de Vries.  The telephone hasn’t stopped ringing and several bouquets were delivered ‘out of appreciation’.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_39496.php

Oh Anna, I am so glad you cleared up the half-brother status between Lorenzo and Paulus.  It was good to learn the Sloots arrived in 1990.  That has helped us in the Shango thread with some thing else we have been working on.  So Lorenzo isn't Joran's half-brother....but Joran has known him since he was a young child.  If Paulus and Lorenzo's father were good friends, I wonder if Joran played with Lorenzo as a child and on even into his teen years.  Regardless, Lorenzo still remains where he has been placed by so many from Aruba...a person of interest due to his nefarious dealings with drugs and his known rave parties.  Thanks again.
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« Reply #381 on: February 08, 2008, 10:46:39 AM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

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Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


GUESTS: Peter Devries and Dave Holloway

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« Reply #382 on: February 08, 2008, 10:46:40 AM »

I did not watch Greta last night ... cannot get Fox Channel.  Is the following transcript complete or ... did Greta have other guests besides Peter Devries?

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The mastermind behind catching Joran van der Sloot on tape is right here. Yes, you will hear from Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries. Now, Peter organized the hidden camera operation that busted Joran van der Sloot talking about Natalee Holloway. On tape, Joran says the night Natalee disappeared, she was unresponsive, shaking.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - TRANSLATED ON SCREEN)

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: All of a sudden, Patrick, like a movie, all the things she did.

PATRICK VAN DER EEM: Shaking?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, a lot. So I was, like, (DELETED), what's all this?

VAN DER EEM: Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course. I tried everything. I was shaking the (DELETED).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VAN SUSTEREN: So what did Joran do? He said he made his friend dump Natalee's body off a boat, though he was not sure if Natalee was even dead. How did Peter De Vries get Joran to talk? What else did Joran say that you didn't see? Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries joins us live in New York. Welcome, Peter.

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER: Hello, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Peter, you're world famous. Everybody knows you. But just to give a little introduction to our viewers, tell us a little bit about your show in Holland and your background, sir.

DE VRIES: Well, I'm a crime reporter for more than 30 years now, Greta. I wrote several true crime books, and my show runs now for 13 years, and we solve quite a lot of murders and disappearances.

VAN SUSTEREN: So when did you first get started on sort of the Joran van der Sloot case?

DE VRIES: Well, that must have been 18 months ago. We went to Aruba and we did an investigation there on the case. And well, there it started.

VAN SUSTEREN: How many times have you actually met Joran van der Sloot?

DE VRIES: I met him a couple of times, but he didn't want to talk to me. And I can understand why, because I was asking him tough questions.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So now let's talk about the taping. How did that come about? How did you do that? Who worked with you?

DE VRIES: Well, about six months ago, a guy named Patrick came up to me and he said, I'm a close friend of Joran. I met him in a casino and we became friends, and I don't trust his story about what happened that night on the beach. Is there anything I can do for you, he asked me. Well, I said, of course you can. And then we worked out a plan with the undercover camera operation.

VAN SUSTEREN: What -- how did you know Patrick?

DE VRIES: Well, Patrick came up to me because in Holland, it is known that I'm intrigued and interested in the disappearance of Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does Patrick do for a living? Who is he?

DE VRIES: Patrick is a businessman. He has his own business. He has a criminal record for 12 or 13 years ago. He was convicted for drugs possession. But after that, he became a respected businessman.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is his business, do you know?

DE VRIES: Yes, it's a technical thing. I don't know exactly what it is, but it's OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: And he met Joran in a casino?

DE VRIES: Yes, he met Joran in a casino. They both like to play poker. They both speak Papiamento, and that's how they contacted each other.

VAN SUSTEREN: So how did -- if you know, how did Patrick befriend him and get him to start talking to him?

DE VRIES: Well, that's a long process. In the beginning, Patrick pretends that he wasn't interested in the whole Natalee story. And when Joran wants to talk about it, he said, Well, I'm not interested. Keep it to yourself. It's your business. And after a few months, when we were involved, he started to ask questions about the case, after Joran's second arrest.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

VAN SUSTEREN: What -- in terms of the high tech -- I mean, I've seen these tapes, and actually, the quality is quite good. Who set up the cameras inside? How was that done?

DE VRIES: My program did it. We often work with undercover cameras. We are very experienced in that. And we were thinking where, Would Joran talk about his knowledge in the Natalee case? Not in his home. That would be a legal, a law problem for us. Not in a restaurant or a cafe. But he will feel safe in a car. And that's why we provided our man, Patrick, with a Range Rover car, and well, we equipped it with the latest sound and cameras.

VAN SUSTEREN: How much tape do you have? How many minutes or hours do you think total?

DE VRIES: Oh, we have in total, I think, 20 hours. But quite a lot of the 20 hours is spent with man talk about football, girls and things like that. And a couple of hours, they were talking about Natalee's case.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the 20 hours, that's over how many different days? I mean, is that one very long trip, or is it broken up into a number of trips?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's an important question, Greta. It's not just one conversation. It's not a slip of the tongue. We have been recording five days. So several moments, several days, and sometimes a week between it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was he smoking marijuana? Because at least it seemed that -- maybe I'm wrong, but it looked like he was smoking marijuana, or smoking something.

DE VRIES: Yes, Joran was smoking pot sometimes. That's his daily routine. He wasn't pushed to it by our guy, Patrick. We didn't aim for that. It's his daily routine. He has been writing about that in his book, too.

VAN SUSTEREN: And the marijuana laws are a little different in Holland, or at least in Amsterdam?

DE VRIES: Oh, yes, it's not illegal in Holland. It's not a crime. You can smoke pot if you like, no problem.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the actual taping, and we've heard different snippets of it, after you had the tape in the can, did you ever contact Joran and say, Well, we have this tape?

DE VRIES: No, we didn't because we had a couple of hours on tape, so there was nothing to ask because he told the whole story. It was a full confession on tape.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know how he found out about the fact that you had a camera?

DE VRIES: Yes. He learned that from television.

VAN SUSTEREN: And has he ever tried to contact you or say -- because now he's saying, of course, publicly, that that was a big lie, that he was just lying.

DE VRIES: Yes. What else could he say, Greta? Because otherwise, he's going in jail. So that's the only thing he can say, of course.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where were they driving in all those -- in the tapes we've seen?

DE VRIES: Oh, they were just cruising around.

VAN SUSTEREN: Just got in the car and go for a ride? They weren't going, like, out to casinos or going cross-country or anything like that?

DE VRIES: Yes, they were going cross-country, looking for a building and things like that.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the actual conversation with Joran, some of it -- I mean, some of it seems a little bit prodding. For instance, I'm actually concerned with the part where it says that she was shaking. That's a very -- it may be an important part of the investigation. In the tape that we see, Patrick seems to suggest the shaking. I went over our transcript today. Am I wrong on that?

DE VRIES: I didn't understand that quite well.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did -- let me back up then. What does Joran say about Natalee the night that she died?

DE VRIES: Well, what he is saying is that he was on the beach with her and that she suddenly did like this, and then he panicked. And he said, Well, she died at that moment. She wasn't ticking (ph) anymore. And then he found his friend, and he wanted to get rid of the body. And they brought her into a boat, and then she was disposed into the ocean.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, there's a lot of rumors coming out of Aruba, as you might imagine. One thing I'm hearing tonight, that we had Daury Rodriguez on last night, who was the person who's actually identified on the tapes. But now there's a suggestion that there might be another Daury. Do you know, if there's another Daury?

DE VRIES: Yes, Daury Rodriguez is not the guy mentioned by Joran. It's another guy. He's in the news. I know that. But he's not the guy who was mentioned by Joran.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Where is this other guy mentioned by Joran, who helped, according to Joran, dispose of the body?

DE VRIES: Well, we don't know. The police investigators are looking for him. But I'm not quite sure if Daury is really Joran's helper because the first day, when he was talking about his helper, Joran said, I will never, ever mention his name. I will take that into my grave. And then the next day, when our man, Patrick, was pushing a little bit on that and telling him, Well, who was it, you can trust me, then he mentioned the name Daury. But I think he's protecting somebody else.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And do you know who that somebody else is? I mean, do you have any sort of -- besides just sort of a gut reaction, do you have anything independent to suggest who it might really be?

DE VRIES: Well, that's hard to say. Then I'm starting speculating, and well, I might not do that.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Peter, stand by because we have much more with you in a few moments. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries is still here with us. Peter, I got an e-mail question from Julia Renfro, who's the editor- in-chief of Aruba Today, and she asked this question, which I think is a good one. "How did you know Joran was lying when others were inclined to believe him?"

Now, I guess it's a little bit of a slap at me because I said I was inclined to believe him after I met with him. But nonetheless, it's a good question. I mean, what made you right from the get-go not believe him?

DE VRIES: Well, I have been doing some investigation on the spot, on Aruba, and I read the files and I spoke to people who were involved. And well, I'm an experienced crime reporter. And almost from the beginning, I didn't believe his story. And there were some established lies about Natalee dropping at the Holiday Inn hotel, the way he came home, the story about the shoes. It was too much to believe.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, let me just -- let me go to this press conference, Peter, if you can hold off for a second, in Kirkwood, Missouri. The police are talking about this shooting.

(KIRKWOOD POLICE NEWS CONFERENCE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Let's go back to Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries, who is still with us. Peter, I want to focus now for a second on the guy who supposedly assisted in tossing the body off the boat. What efforts are being made, if you know, by the police to locate him?

DE VRIES: Well, the Dutch police is very busy with the investigation. That's what I understood. And they are looking for this guy, whoever it may be.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, do you have confidence in the Dutch police and the Aruba police in terms of this investigation?

DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team. I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I'm confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.

VAN SUSTEREN: And boy talk, as you described it, or guy talk or something.

DE VRIES: And boy talk, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

DE VRIES: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: What about an arrest? Did they mention anything about -- you know that there was an effort to try to arrest Joran van der Sloot. The judge turned them down. It's now on appeal. Do you have any more information on that?

DE VRIES: No, what I know now is that Joran van der Sloot made a statement to the police investigators today. I don't know what he said, but there was a statement. And well, that's a great development because until now, Joran van der Sloot refused to talk to the police and didn't say a word. So now he's talking, and let's hope that he is answering all the questions.

VAN SUSTEREN: What prompted him to toss that wine in your face on that TV show? Did you say something to him, or what was that all about?

DE VRIES: Oh, he was frustrated about me because I was asking questions all the time, and I was saying -- I was telling the audience that Joran lied several times, that he couldn't answer simple questions, and that he was always keeping silent to the police. And well, that frustrated him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you already have in the can the tape and know what was on the tape, or was that -- or didn't you at that point?

DE VRIES: Pardon?

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you already have your tape completed at that time, the undercover tape?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. It wasn't completed. The undercover operation was running at that moment.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Both his parents -- were they both present for that?

DE VRIES: Yes, they were present. Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Joran's parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?

DE VRIES: After the show, they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother. She loves her son, but she doesn't know what he is doing, I think. And well, his father, I have some special thoughts about him.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And I hope you'll come back, Peter, as you develop more information on those special thoughts, if, indeed, you get some more information on them. Peter, you're always welcome back here. So thank you, Peter.

DE VRIES: OK. You're welcome, Greta.

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« Reply #383 on: February 08, 2008, 10:46:57 AM »

  Please keep in mind that the Term "Swallowing your tongue "  was always being incorrectly used back then  .
  It really only meant that the tongue would lie back across the trachea  blocking the airway which is never good .
   They also taught us to use a Bite stick or a wooden depressor with much gauze taped to the end for cushioning  of it but it has now been found that this is usually unnecessary  also .  so much changes in modern emergency medicine and the treatments also .



 But, yes, the "swallowing of the tongue" was a concern at that time, years ago.
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Yes...I can see that and thanks for explaining!  It was a grand mal seizure - not a petie mal and frightening to see and hear, especially for eight year olds.  The patient became extremely limp afterward for awhile as the seizure taxes the body considerably.  I would imagine that Joran was shocked but the natural thing to do would have been to summon 911 asap. Hard heartedness demonstrates weakness and conjures up all sorts of reasons for his criminal behavior.
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« Reply #384 on: February 08, 2008, 10:48:42 AM »

  Please keep in mind that the Term "Swallowing your tongue "  was always being incorrectly used back then  .
  It really only meant that the tongue would lie back across the trachea  blocking the airway which is never good .
   They also taught us to use a Bite stick or a wooden depressor with much gauze taped to the end for cushioning  of it but it has now been found that this is usually unnecessary  also .  so much changes in modern emergency medicine and the treatments also .



 But, yes, the "swallowing of the tongue" was a concern at that time, years ago.

Yes...I can see that and thanks for explaining!  It was a grand mal seizure - not a petie mal and frightening to see and hear, especially for eight year olds.  The patient became extremely limp afterward for awhile as the seizure taxes the body considerably.  I would imagine that Joran was shocked but the natural thing to do would have been to summon 911 asap. Hard heartedness demonstrates weakness and conjures up all sorts of reasons for his criminal behavior.
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Ooops! I meant "petit" mal seizure.
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« Reply #386 on: February 08, 2008, 10:50:07 AM »

Good Morning.....

I am a first time poster and have a question about Aruba's Social Clubs.
Has anyone ever investigated social connections?

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

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« Reply #387 on: February 08, 2008, 10:51:02 AM »

If Anita doesn't snap to, and see just how at risk Joran is, as well as society from his behavior, her other children should be taken from her. She is behaving as if she is an unfit Mom interested in only herslef and not the welfare of her child.

ANITA, WATCH THE TAPE AND SEE JUST HOW SICK JORAN IS, WHAT YOUR PATH HAS BROUGHT HIM, AND RE-EXAMINE YOUR DIRECTION TO HIM. DO YOU HEAR HIS THOUGHTS? THIS IS YOUR OTHER 2 CHILDREN'S ROLE MODELS.
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« Reply #388 on: February 08, 2008, 10:51:56 AM »

Hotping,I have seen his DOB somewhere,I will try and find it tommorow..It's 3am and if I don't sleep now ill be messed up all day tommorow Sad
We know it is Dec 13th  but not where and the year....Thanks!

It is my understanding that Val is 2 years younger than Joran. Joran was born in 1987. My guess is 1989 or 1990. I do not believe Val was born on Aruba and I do not think Val had anything to do with this...although he may know what happened, not sure about that either.
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« Reply #389 on: February 08, 2008, 10:52:22 AM »

People have been discussing Lorenzo and his connection to the Sloots for 2 1/2 yrs. and just now Anita suddenly comments on it?  All of a sudden her two younger sons are confused?  So I smell another law suit coming on behalf of the two younger boys suffering mental anguish over these rumors?
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« Reply #390 on: February 08, 2008, 10:52:39 AM »

Question. How did everybody get the spelling of Daury? Couldn't it be Dorry? Or Dowry? Or Dury? They were going by the name as Joran pronounced it. I don't think Patrick asked him to spell it. Just wondering.



Or DORY

this could also be a nick name...many people in the Caribbean are known by nick names....not their real names....or it could just be urine being the a-hole he is.....I still believe it was papa slop and steve croes
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« Reply #391 on: February 08, 2008, 10:53:35 AM »

Murder & Crime thread - 51,472 views.

That's about 1500 in the last week ...

WOW...that's great....thanks Ms. Marple
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« Reply #392 on: February 08, 2008, 10:55:39 AM »

Mother Van der Sloot: Joran has no half brother

Family Van der Sloot with left, Anita van der Sloot.  Joran has two younger brothers.

ORANJESTAD – The mother of Joran van der Sloot, Anita, wants to clear up the rumours that Joran has a half brother; he does not; this half brother does not exist.  She told the Amigoe this yesterday.   

Amigoe reported yesterday that the Dutch current affairs column and the local radio transmitter Cool FM assumed that a certain Lorenzo van R. was the person that helped murder-suspect Joran dispose of Natalee Holloway’s body with a boat.  Daury Rodriguez’s name was mentioned earlier as the ‘boatman’, but Rodriguez denied this.  Joran van der Sloot said in the talked-about footage of Peter R. de Vries that he was helped by ‘Daury’.

Also in the early stages of the investigation, family Van der Sloot has rebutted this rumour.  “Justice has investigated it at that time and could ascertain that nothing tallies.  But the media is digging into it again.  How are Joran’s brothers going to understand this now?  They asked me if what is in the Amigoe is true; that they have a half brother.  This is on top of everything that has already happened.”

Also Lorenzo’s family had already told a newspaper in the past that this story about half brother is not true.  The two families had contact with each other right after family Van der Sloot moved to Aruba in 1990.  “They had an auto-repair shop and we have taken our car to them a few times.  Lorenzo was five or six years old at that time and Joran two-and-a-half.”

‘Joran-shows’

The Netherlands as well as the United States are keeping a close track of all the latest developments in the Holloway-case.  The Netherlands that was the first to broadcast Peter R. de Vries’ footage last Sunday, noted a viewing record of seven million people.  ABC has broadcast the footage on Monday and at least 12 million Americans watched it, which is 11 percent of the TV-viewers at that moment.

De Vries has meanwhile left for the US to appear in several prominent talk shows.  Aruban televiewers could watch the footage on ABC via cable for the first time on Monday.  They have already seen and heard fragments via local radio- and TV-transmitters and on internet earlier. 

Patrick van der Eem, the man that encouraged a confession from Joran van der Sloot on a hidden camera, seems to become ‘the big hero’ in the Netherlands and in the US, confirmed the office of Peter R. de Vries.  The telephone hasn’t stopped ringing and several bouquets were delivered ‘out of appreciation’.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_39496.php

Thank Anna.

I wonder why this "rumor" has taken two years to clear up.

 

Janet


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« Reply #393 on: February 08, 2008, 10:56:44 AM »

Good Morning.....

I am a first time poster and have a question about Aruba's Social Clubs.
Has anyone ever investigated social connections?

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

Thank you for any info......

Welcome AVA - yes it was discussed a long time ago mostly in reference to the Shango/Simian posts.  You may want to post your question in the Shango/Simian thread for further discussion.  That thread should be right below this thread in the forum.
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« Reply #394 on: February 08, 2008, 10:57:02 AM »



Howdy AVA, and welcome!!

Welcome to all the new monkeys.
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« Reply #395 on: February 08, 2008, 10:57:04 AM »

Emotions Run High, Aruba Is Angry At Van Der Sloot

February 7th 2008, Aruba.

Arubans still feel attacked by the U.S. media.
Many believe the pride of Aruba has been tarnished.

ORANJESTAD-Hundreds of locals expressed their anger on radio shows and via e-mail to newspapers after watching the "confession-on-tape" on Monday evening. Arubans reacted massively against Joran van der Sloot, and that for the first time since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on May 30th, 2005.

For the past 2 years the public on the island gave Joran van der Sloot the benefit of the doubt, in that he was involved in the disappearance of Natalee. There was no blood, no body, and no evidence of a murder. Many on the island believed that Natalee was still alive, and was in hiding somewhere. Others believed that she may have accidentally drowned at sea, after she was left alone by Joran on the beach.

At least 5,000 government employees were granted two days free, to help with the search for Natalee in 2005. Dutch F-16 planes were sent to scan the entire island for a body recently buried underground. Thousands of volunteers helped search for the missing teen without any result. There was a search every day for months. And the government was spending millions in the investigation.

Arubans felt that they were constantly attacked by the U.S. media, and at times by the Holloway family. That did not help with having sympathy for the Holloway family, and it certainly did not help the case. In the contrary Arubans shifted in a defensive mode, and felt that their pride was being attacked by the media. Arubans felt nothing that they did to help find Natalee was appreciated.

The Dutch crime reporter, Peter R. de Vries started to investigate the case at the beginning of 2007. De Vries has spent months studying the investigation reports, and interviewing those involved in the case. Patrick van der Eem –a 34 year old Antillean- approached De Vries in The Netherlands in the middle of 2007, he wanted to help out solving the case.

De Vries hired Van der Eem as an undercover thug that would make Joran comfortable enough to tell exactly what happened that night. Joran told his story on different occasions while Van der Eem was driving, and it was all captured on hidden camera.

Van der Eem is a businessman in Arnhem who loves Aruba, and wanted closure for the parents of Natalee. In addition, he was tired of the bad press Aruba has been getting. With the story of Joran on tape, De Vries added the pieces of the puzzle together and claimed he has solved the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. His program was broadcasted on Monday evening to the Aruban public.


"Joran is a psychopath, he has lied to everyone on the island." said an angry water-sports businesswoman, who did not want her name to be made public. "I feel so sorry for Natalee, and her parents who had to go through years of uncertainty as to what happened to their daughter. Our island will suffer for a long time too, we will bare the consequences of the actions of one man. My colleague of Pennsylvania was told by his family, are you going again to that murder island? A person on CNN also advised tourists that they are better off in Bermuda.''

Management Consultant, Mathilde Robles said that she knew Joran van der Sloot by face. "He seems like a nice guy, and I did not want to pre- judge him. But now after watching the program on Monday, I am certain that he is behind the disappearance of Natalee, he himself has admitted it."

Robles is shocked on Van der Sloot's comment, that he can not believe that this has happened to him. "If the judge does not punish this man, we the Arubans will," said Robles.

Joran van der Sloot said on different occasions that he felt particularly sorry for the Aruban community. The image of Aruba as the safest country in the Caribbean has been tarnished ever since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

According to the government, the case has cost the island tens of millions of dollars. Tourism from the U.S. fell by 9 percent during 2006. Aruba is 70 percent dependent on the U.S. generating market. There are barely arrivals from Alabama, the state of Natalee Holloway. The Governor of Alabama has imposed a travel boycott to Aruba.

Public anger is also directed to the father of Joran, Paul van der Sloot, mainly because Paul has smuggled a cellular phone to his son in prison. Many on the island now believe that the family Van der Sloot is out for the money. Paul van der Sloot said earlier that he would sew the country of Aruba, because he was held as suspect in the disappearance of Natalee. On tape, Joran said he will also sew, and wants to cash in big time for a house in Spain.

Emotions ran so high, there were a few people who expressed that the Van der Sloot family should be deported from Aruba.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=54632

thanks Klaas.....I'd like to SEE that outrage on TV
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« Reply #396 on: February 08, 2008, 10:57:54 AM »

This is my favorite part of the Greta interview

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Joran's parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?

DE VRIES: After the show, they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother. She loves her son, but she doesn't know what he is doing, I think. And well, his father, I have some special thoughts about him.[/b]VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And I hope you'll come back, Peter, as you develop more information on those special thoughts, if, indeed, you get some more information on them. Peter, you're always welcome back here. So thank you, Peter.

DE VRIES: OK. You're welcome, Greta


Peter ROCKS!  I love to see him speak and not hold back!  LOL
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« Reply #397 on: February 08, 2008, 10:58:23 AM »

If Anita doesn't snap to, and see just how at risk Joran is, as well as society from his behavior, her other children should be taken from her. She is behaving as if she is an unfit Mom interested in only herslef and not the welfare of her child.

ANITA, WATCH THE TAPE AND SEE JUST HOW SICK JORAN IS, WHAT YOUR PATH HAS BROUGHT HIM, AND RE-EXAMINE YOUR DIRECTION TO HIM. DO YOU HEAR HIS THOUGHTS? THIS IS YOUR OTHER 2 CHILDREN'S ROLE MODELS.

I have had similar thoughts for awhile, PrivateEye. As long as Anita and Paulus enable Joran, as they have all his life, the other 2 boys will think it's OK to act like that. I have recently wondered if they shouldn't have their kids taken from them, as they are endangering the children's psyches and their very lives, by supporting Joran, giving him so much attention...they are neglecting the ones who are still able to be saved and devoting all of their time and energy on the one who cannot.
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« Reply #398 on: February 08, 2008, 10:59:20 AM »

This is my favorite part of the Greta interview

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Joran's parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?

DE VRIES: After the show, they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother. She loves her son, but she doesn't know what he is doing, I think. And well, his father, I have some special thoughts about him.[/b]

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And I hope you'll come back, Peter, as you develop more information on those special thoughts, if, indeed, you get some more information on them. Peter, you're always welcome back here. So thank you, Peter.

DE VRIES: OK. You're welcome, Greta


 
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« Reply #399 on: February 08, 2008, 11:01:17 AM »



I am so glad Perter is being recognized so far up the legal ladder!!!
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