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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7
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Has anybody turned up any additional Daury's yet? I have tried searching but keep getting all the current info on D. Rodriguez and don't know how to list in reverse date order. According to Peter de Vries, it was definitely a different Daury. . .somebody in Aruba should easily know if there is another one.
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Quote from: hotping on February 07, 2008, 11:42:24 PM
Welcome TXSunshine82!
Hi TXSunshine.... welcome to the cage.... don't be shy....
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Quote from: txsunshine82 on February 07, 2008, 11:45:02 PM
Quote from: hotping on February 07, 2008, 11:42:24 PM
Welcome TXSunshine82!
Thank you for the welcome.
You're Welcome! Peter and Patrick are definitely Heros right along with the Persistence Crew!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2008, 11:32:32 PM
Quote from: San on February 07, 2008, 10:32:52 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there.
I find it strange that this guy went to De Vries. He said he is good friends with Joran and doesn't believe his story. Why all of a sudden. When Greta asked De Vries what this guy Patrick did for a living he said he was a very successful business man. Then she said well what does he do again. De Vries said he was something technical and complicated. As a crime reporter he should know what Patrick does for a living.
Joran gave just enough info not to hang himself.
I think he wants this to go to trial and he wants the focus of the trial to be on the confession and not what he said on the PV's. The PV's are more damaging to all of them (including Paulus).
Yes ,I believe we all saw the true Joran but something isn't right about all of this to me. JMO.
Now don't flame me all at once.
San ... I am glad you brought this up. I feel exactly the same way.
I believe that it is all about Joran directing the blame on himself and ... distancing Paulus, the Kalpoes who can implicate Paulus and ... the sons of the elite who can implicate Paulus.
I am putting together some thoughts and will share my brainwave with forum on the weekend.
Janet
yes Joran called the Kalpoes retards many times. and disrespected his family uncluding his father (about not putting credit on his phone).
he wants us to think he was alone on the beach the only witness.
but then i think: why didn't he say that Natalee was really dead, checked her pulse, her body temperature everything??
so i won't be murder 'just' disposing of a body.
also in the MSN-chat Joran had with his ghost-writer sunday after the broadcast.
she asked "did you both do it in the hotel with girls" (that's Patrick and Joran).
Joran said: "yes, bad isn't?" i found this very weird. of course it comes from Joran.
maybe Joran noticed Patrick's Boca Grande (his scar) and realized he was a snitch...
and thought lets make a confession in a way they won't be able to charge me.
and also why confess to Patrick? to impress?? or to get best possible out of it.
but then he was just released from aruba... so off the hook.
some things really confuse me. but i get a headache trying to think how Joran thinks.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7
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Quote from: caesu on February 07, 2008, 11:50:14 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2008, 11:32:32 PM
Quote from: San on February 07, 2008, 10:32:52 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there.
I find it strange that this guy went to De Vries. He said he is good friends with Joran and doesn't believe his story. Why all of a sudden. When Greta asked De Vries what this guy Patrick did for a living he said he was a very successful business man. Then she said well what does he do again. De Vries said he was something technical and complicated. As a crime reporter he should know what Patrick does for a living.
Joran gave just enough info not to hang himself.
I think he wants this to go to trial and he wants the focus of the trial to be on the confession and not what he said on the PV's. The PV's are more damaging to all of them (including Paulus).
Yes ,I believe we all saw the true Joran but something isn't right about all of this to me. JMO.
Now don't flame me all at once.
San ... I am glad you brought this up. I feel exactly the same way.
I believe that it is all about Joran directing the blame on himself and ... distancing Paulus, the Kalpoes who can implicate Paulus and ... the sons of the elite who can implicate Paulus.
I am putting together some thoughts and will share my brainwave with forum on the weekend.
Janet
yes Joran called the Kalpoes retards many times. and disrespected his family uncluding his father (about not putting credit on his phone).
he wants us to think he was alone on the beach the only witness.
but then i think: why didn't he say that Natalee was really dead, checked her pulse, her body temperature everything??
so i won't be murder 'just' disposing of a body.
also in the MSN-chat Joran had with his ghost-writer sunday after the broadcast.
she asked "did you both do it in the hotel with girls" (that's Patrick and Joran).
Joran said: "yes, bad isn't?" i found this very weird. of course it comes from Joran.
maybe Joran noticed Patrick's Boca Grande (his scar) and realized he was a snitch...
and thought lets make a confession in a way they won't be able to charge me.
and also why confess to Patrick? to impress?? or to get best possible out of it.
but then he was just released from aruba... so off the hook.
some things really confuse me. but i get a headache trying to think how Joran thinks.
It is impossible to think how Joran thinks because he is one sick individual ......
If I could think how he thinks I would be very afraid of myself....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7
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Quote from: cubbeegirl on February 07, 2008, 11:44:14 PM
I agree that Joran's life will be hell from now on no matter if he is convicted or not.........
The world has seen the real Joran .....
And it ain't pretty....
That statement from the doctor and professor are very disturbing to me as it just makes me feel even more so that she most probably was alive when she was dumped.......
I think she was alive too. She probably had a seizure and passed out. I read something that said GHB could cause you to be out for several hours, and during that time it was impossible to rouse you. IMO he slipped her GHB. It probably wasn't even a "coma".
You don't have to have a medical degree to tell if someone's alive. Feeling a pulse, listening for breath, putting a hand on the chest to feel for a heartbeat, etc. "Shaking the bi***" is not a valid method!
When in doubt, call 911.
He killed her.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7
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Quote from: BlueBob on February 07, 2008, 11:48:35 PM
Has anybody turned up any additional Daury's yet? I have tried searching but keep getting all the current info on D. Rodriguez and don't know how to list in reverse date order. According to Peter de Vries, it was definitely a different Daury. . .somebody in Aruba should easily know if there is another one.
BlueBob.... I am not convinced there is another Daury.... at least not one involved in the case....I think it was PapaSloot....JMO
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7
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Quote from: San on February 07, 2008, 10:32:52 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there.
I find it strange that this guy went to De Vries. He said he is good friends with Joran and doesn't believe his story. Why all of a sudden. When Greta asked De Vries what this guy Patrick did for a living he said he was a very successful business man. Then she said well what does he do again. De Vries said he was something technical and complicated. As a crime reporter he should know what Patrick does for a living.
Joran gave just enough info not to hang himself.
I think he wants this to go to trial and he wants the focus of the trial to be on the confession and not what he said on the PV's. The PV's are more damaging to all of them (including Paulus).
Yes ,\I believe we all saw the true Joran but something isn't right about all of this to me. JMO.
Now don't flame me all at once.
- A businessman as key figure -
Patrick van der Eem (34 years old) is born on Curaçao, but also knows the island Aruba very well. He considers the Antillean islands as the most beautiful place on earth. Nowadays he lives and works successfully in the Dutch city of Arnhem, which is the same city Joran van der Sloot moved to. Patrick van der Eem is the director of Pirtek Almelo (
www.pirtek.com
). This is a franchise company which maintains and repairs hydraulic equipment. He speaks five languages fluently (English, Dutch, Papiamento, Spanish and German.)
http://www.peterrdevries.com/insider.htm
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7
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Quote from: atlgirl on February 07, 2008, 11:53:03 PM
Quote from: cubbeegirl on February 07, 2008, 11:44:14 PM
I agree that Joran's life will be hell from now on no matter if he is convicted or not.........
The world has seen the real Joran .....
And it ain't pretty....
That statement from the doctor and professor are very disturbing to me as it just makes me feel even more so that she most probably was alive when she was dumped.......
I think she was alive too. She probably had a seizure and passed out. I read something that said GHB could cause you to be out for several hours, and during that time it was impossible to rouse you. IMO he slipped her GHB. It probably wasn't even a "coma".
You don't have to have a medical degree to tell if someone's alive. Feeling a pulse, listening for breath, putting a hand on the chest to feel for a heartbeat, etc. "Shaking the bi***" is not a valid method!
When in doubt, call 911.
He killed her.
Yes.....He did....and then discarded her like garbage,,,,
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Did Anyone catch when Dave said that the Persistence has located several targets that they will be checking out soon.....Dear Lord PLease Guide Them to Natalee and Bring Her Home. Amen!
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Quote from: txsunshine82 on February 07, 2008, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: txsunshine82 on February 07, 2008, 11:37:43 PM
For some reason my first monkey dance didn't work. LOL, guess I need to learn how to use this place.
Don't worry, your monkey dance was just fine, it's just that every once in a while, some of us need to see more skin...
Let's all hope and pray we finally get Justice for Natalee.
I wonder why our charming sporter feels a need to hide if he did nothing wrong?
I also wonder why he feels such a need to protect his culprit in crime, his father?
Watching this house of cards fall is going to be quite interesting.
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Quote from: Anna on February 07, 2008, 11:35:28 PM
Greta is on BOR and making the seizure point herself. She is really talking about it in detail.
They are also talking about Mos taking vacation in the middle of this. BOT asking if Greta thinks they will ever prosecute.
BOR saying he told everybody not to go to Aruba when this first broke and he is NOT going to go to Aruba. Wants them to charge Joran but Greta says they have to wait until they can make it stick.
But Greta did a good job with the information on the seizures obviously having been reported to police very early on by questions asked the parents, etc.
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Thanks for posting Anna...I mossed BOR tonight;
Also, if calico sees this, re: my witnessing my fellow classmate's epileptic seizure many years ago - at that time there was this concern of the patient "swallowing his tongue"....The teacher did lay him down on the floor, on his side [ as you say your mother was instructed to do ] until his seizure finally subsided, but she had some sort of cloth to press down on his tongue and she was very comforting to him and was poised.....It was very disturbing to us children but she was very kind and calm and explaining things to us which helped calm us.
She had been prepared by his parents that he was an epileptic and coached as to what to do if a fit should occur. There are wonderful medications now which ease the situation and lessen the chances of a seizure. But, yes, the "swallowing of the tongue" was a concern at that time, years ago.
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Quote from: atlgirl on February 07, 2008, 11:44:12 PM
Quote from: Anna on February 07, 2008, 11:35:28 PM
Greta is on BOR and making the seizure point herself. She is really talking about it in detail.
They are also talking about Mos taking vacation in the middle of this. BOT asking if Greta thinks they will ever prosecute.
BOR saying he told everybody not to go to Aruba when this first broke and he is NOT going to go to Aruba. Wants them to charge Joran but Greta says they have to wait until they can make it stick.
But Greta did a good job with the information on the seizures obviously having been reported to police very early on by questions asked the parents, etc.
.
Bill O has always been on Natalee's side. He's been on the boycott bandwagon for a while.
He reminds me of an angry father when he talks about this case.
IMO he thinks PVDS is in this up to his neck, but I've never seen him accuse him directly. As outspoken as he is, that may change. He's certainly not scared of sweatyRunningMan.
Umm ... BOR was initially on the boycott side and then he and Geraldo both stated that a boycott was unfair to Aruban people. He has not been for a boycott in quite some time as I have sent him emails after he changed his opinion saying ,,, Who's looking out for Natalee.
I like BOR but he is using revisionist history. What he first said is not what he said later.
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- so now Glenda and MF's game is to discredit Patrick right?
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I thank God that Natalee had wonderful parents, step parents, and extended family.
Beth, Dave, and Jug still going out and speaking on her behalf trying to seek justice through their pain is for lack of a better word, just AWESOME... Each of them has touched my heart....
Tonight Dave especially trying to speak through his pain...if only every girl had a dad like Dave.
His pain was so evident but he maintained his composure even when speaking of how badly Natalee had been disrespected on the tapes. When I think of my statements to my husband on what my thoughts were after two days of the tapes......and Dave saying I'm human and of course I had thoughts....God bless him. And now he has to break it to his other daughters that she's not ever coming home....just heartbreaking.
I pray that God gives them all the strength to keep on speaking out for Natalee until there is justice for her. I know that He will carry them through this.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Quote from: hotping on February 07, 2008, 11:55:40 PM
Did Anyone catch when Dave said that the Persistence has located several targets that they will be checking out soon.....Dear Lord PLease Guide Them to Natalee and Bring Her Home. Amen!
Yes, I did catch that!
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*******
- so now Glenda and MF's game is to discredit Patrick right?
No doubt about it!
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Quote from: hotping on February 07, 2008, 11:42:24 PM
Welcome TXSunshine82!
Hi TXSunshine.... welcome to the cage.... don't be shy....
Thanks for the welcome. I will try to speak out more instead of always just reading. But I must warn you, I am the silent type. This is my favorite site to read about Natalee and her family. I have followed the news and searched the internet on Natalee since the day I saw this on tv. The news about Natalee touched my heart as it did most of you on this forum.
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=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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