Could Daury be Freddy?

[stuart]

The identity of the real Daury, the man who helped Joran dump Natalies body in the ocean would be Freddy Arambatzis Zedan.   It is way too suspicious that Freddy didn’t try to join with the other boys who were excitedly conjuring up false alibis for Joran, to be included in this grand adventure,” just like in the movies”.  Freddy was staying overnight at Jorans pad the night Natalie disappeared.   Unlike the Kalpoes and Koen, Freddy seems to be a confident and cool headed individual  who is also central to the clique of teenaged drug dealing date rapists, (He would empathize with Jorans situation.  He was much later arrested for activities involving the date rape drugs).   And also, Joran “had stuff on him” as well.    I think that after Freddy dumped the body, he had had enough of the “adventure” and now wanted to step back and stay out of it as much as possible.  The other boys, still intrigued by the whole thing were excitedly trying to outdo each other with lies to support Joran, to be “team players” and earn their ways into the center of group importance.

[MumInOhio]

Hi Stuart...I just saw your thread....Freddy IMO is up to his eyeballs in this. Lot's of talk about him in the Shango thread....not sure if he's Daury...Lala's 5th suspect or Columbo's singing card...could have been right there at the Marriott that night....but he's in the mix for sure....questioned many times by ALE....but it seems nothing sticks to Freddy!

[San]

The identity of the real Daury, the man who helped Joran dump Natalies body in the ocean would be Freddy Arambatzis Zedan.   It is way too suspicious that Freddy didn’t try to join with the other boys who were excitedly conjuring up false alibis for Joran, to be included in this grand adventure,” just like in the movies”.  Freddy was staying overnight at Jorans pad the night Natalie disappeared.   Unlike the Kalpoes and Koen, Freddy seems to be a confident and cool headed individual  who is also central to the clique of teenaged drug dealing date rapists, (He would empathize with Jorans situation.  He was much later arrested for activities involving the date rape drugs).   And also, Joran “had stuff on him” as well.    I think that after Freddy dumped the body, he had had enough of the “adventure” and now wanted to step back and stay out of it as much as possible.  The other boys, still intrigued by the whole thing were excitedly trying to outdo each other with lies to support Joran, to be “team players” and earn their ways into the center of group importance.

Welcome Stuart.

Daury could be Freddy.  Deepak said Freddy needs to tell the truth and Joran's reply was Freddy did tell the truth.

Freddy's involvement is hugh.  He seems to be untouchable.  Paulus hired Freddy an attorny the very first week.  You don't hired an attorney for someone who is not involved.

[stuart]

Jorans description of the fictional Daury was a conglomeration of many people he knows.   1)  Daury whose name he used.    2)  Koen who was “My very best friend since childhood”   3)   Sinister and reclusive Lorenzo who lives alone and cannot be bothered with much.  4)  Paulus, the wise man who says “keep to your routine as to not arouse suspicion” and so on. 

Who is Jorans REAL accomplice?
1)    We already know it isn’t the real Daury.  (He was not in Aruba at the time of the crime)
2)   Joran dismisses and insults the Kalpoe brother on the tapes, so they are off the list of suspects.
3)   It seems that Koen is too timid for Joran to have considered calling.   Although Koen may have been as terrified to decline giving Joran an alibi as he would have been to lie for him.   
4)   Lorenzo is probably too high in drug dealer society to bother with a worm such as Joran.   
5)   Possibly his daddy Paulus, but I kind of doubt that Joran, with such an unusually active and loyal group of cronies would have wanted to call his Papa first (assuming I am correct in postulating that all these boys  are almost like a Mafia or a Scientology type cult in their loyalties to each other).

Did Joran say Daury never ARRESTED, or never even QUESTIONED?

[MumInOhio]

Stuart... as of this morning I am of the opinion that "Daury' as portrayed in the 'confession' does not exist.

My opinions are always subject to change when new information arises. Freddy is in this deep as are many others. I have never believed what was said on the tapes is what happened.

Please see my rant on page 98 of the 'Shango' thread.

[stuart]

MumInOhio,……….You are right in surmising that Daury, as described in Jorans “confession” probably does not exist.    IF there were any truth at all to the “confession” we can only guess which parts to consider believing.

My guess is that Joran was conflicted in telling the story.  We don’t know for sure if he had a subconscious desire to confess to a crime for which he was guilty, but:
WE WE DO KNOW that Joran wanted to impress his “friend”.   I can say this with a high degree of certainty. 
WE DO KNOW that IF he wanted to impress his “friend”, he might have a tendency to fabricate or embellish his stories to make them more entertaining and to make himself seem like a more interesting person.
WE DO NOT KNOW if there is any truth at all on the tapes, but if we closely watch the confession video one last time and become convinced that indeed he IS agitated and confessing something on some level, (as some truth detector experts have stated) than we must ask ourselves:
1)  Which parts are fabricated?  2)  Which parts are embellished?  3)  And which parts have elements of truth?  4) And what hidden absolute truths are embedded within the video? 

On the one hand Joran wanted to communicate his story to his “friend”, while at the same time he would “take with him to the grave” the name of his accomplice.    If he had an accomplice, he changes the name and it is likely he went a step further and changes the description of the person and possibly even details of the crime, to protect himself and his accomplice from exposure.
 If he changed the important details of the crime as well, then there may be nothing at all of any use to convict anybody of the crime.   

Below is a list of items from the video I am confedent in calling crime leads and not just dead-end leads
1)    His description of Natalie shaking sounded authentic.
2)   The Kalpoes were not deeply involved
3)   He thinks the police are stupid (and most Arubans agree with that statement now)
4)   They either never arrested his accomplice, or never questioned him to any degree
5)   .
That’s all I have.    The rest of his details I believe are too disguised to consider listing as leads. 
Can anyone add to the list anything that is instinctually accurate from the “confession” video?     Thank You,    Stuart

[MumInOhio]

Stuart…I have not watched the video and was not able to watch the ABC show either. Any opinions I have of what you are asking are from reading whatever was put forth on SM.

For some reason my attention span is zero when I watch something on video…I do not have a problem watching something live on TV or when reading something. Because of this I now don’t even bother to try and watch any regarding this case. 

But I will give you my opinions regardless…LOL….subject to change as new information or rumors arise.

1.   I have felt since Jug addressed the seizures on SM radio a while back that this did indeed happen. From the research I did at that time I felt these where caused by her being given a date rape drug. Will add that Joran probably knew this....

2.   I believe one of the Kalpoes is more involved than the other. Because Deepak’s timeline ties in with Joran’s. I believed it to be him. If in fact one of the Kalpoes did lead Natalee out of C&Cs, I believe this to be Deepak. This would make him at the least guilty of kidnapping.

3.   This time he even included the OM and I believe the judges. Part of the reason I think he knew about it. Paulus pointed out on the show that he threw the wine in deVries face that he was only saying the police were stupid.

4.   Going to think on this one. Freddy was questioned multiple times and detained IMO more than once.

[Blonde]

My thoughts are DAURY= DADDY

[cubbeegirl]

My thoughts are DAURY= DADDY

I totally agree with Blonde on this......

[stuart]

Below are some observations about the secretly recorded conversations between Joran and the Kalpoes, copied from another blog.   

The Kalpoes DO NOT KNOW as much as y'all think.    Joran, to play innocent and to intimidate points out that there was an opportunity for the Kalpoes to kill Natalie.    The Kalpoes KNOW they didnt.    Joran states:  "That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit."  (IMO date rape drugs they all know about)

Kalpoe statemet "your own father, unbelievable" indicates to me that the Kalpoes "know" with a high degree of probability that Natalie is dead, and they "know" with a high degree of probability that date-rape drugs are involved.   
What they are shocked to consider is the possibility that Paulus might be involved with the rape, or that Joran would involve his father in the cover-up.   Kalpoes were just reading the papers like everyone else

The Kalpoes are in deep up to their eyballs, not because of the Holloway case, but because of previous baggage.   IMO they might have just once participated in a group rape of an unconcious drugged girl.   
"Don't you think that the police is interested in knowing that Satish touched a girl with the car?" 
Joran knows he is beign recorded so he doesnt say "rape", just "touched".   He wants to hold it over the Kalpoes, and they know what he is talking about.   

Joran is scared, not because his father was arrested, but because he know that if the kalpoes could get Paulus arrested by a simple innuendo, then Freddy could be arrested by any innuendos spoken by the Kalpoes, and Freddy might talk.    Joran:  "So, fxxx you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?"

Freddy is accomplice.   

[MumInOhio]

Freddy is accomplice....

Preaching to the converted here Stuart. I have done a lot of checking on Freddy and as I said before nothing sticks...Thanks San...I like that.

That doesn't mean he's your 'Daury' just that he's involved bigtime, along with a few others.

[Lala'sMom]

Hi Stuart.  I am not ready to release the Kalpoes of any complicity in this matter. Deepak allowed Natalee in his car and he was the driver and the oldest.  He is responsible for her safety.  Any old info Joran may have on Satish or Deepak is useless by now.  No one in their right mind would continue to allow Joran to drag them around for so long.  If the Kalpoes are truly innocent then maybe they need to start talking for a change. What does Freddy need to tell the truth about?  They never said in that van conversation.

[stuart]

LalasMom,……If I am not mistaken,  the Kalpoes have spoken against Joran for some time now.   Only problem is,  they really don’t  know enough to nail Joran.   They would love to bring him down if  they could.
 
Kalpoes are recorded saying   “something bad has happened to her”.    If you would have recorded Freddy, Koen, Sanders, the DJ, Lorenzo,  etc.,     I am sure they were ALL saying “something bad has happened to Natalie”.    Why?   Because they know Joran and they are all into the same drug scene.
 
Deepak says to Joran “your own father,..Unbelievable”.    Deepak is reading the media stories and speculates that  Joran is so low as to involve his own father.   
Until people start looking elsewhere for accomplices there may be no more progress.    Arrest Freddy and he will point to Sanders and Koen.

[Lala'sMom]

LalasMom,……If I am not mistaken,  the Kalpoes have spoken against Joran for some time now.   Only problem is,  they really don’t  know enough to nail Joran.   They would love to bring him down if  they could.
 
Kalpoes are recorded saying   “something bad has happened to her”.    If you would have recorded Freddy, Koen, Sanders, the DJ, Lorenzo,  etc.,     I am sure they were ALL saying “something bad has happened to Natalie”.    Why?   Because they know Joran and they are all into the same drug scene.
 
Deepak says to Joran “your own father,..Unbelievable”.    Deepak is reading the media stories and speculates that  Joran is so low as to involve his own father.   
Until people start looking elsewhere for accomplices there may be no more progress.    Arrest Freddy and he will point to Sanders and Koen.

Freddy was arrested.  I think to tell him to shut up and be quiet.  They could have hung him out to dry on the porn charges and they didn't.  What would Freddy say about Sander and Koen?  They provided the boat, maybe?

[stuart]

LalasMom,......
Sanders Gottenbos “lost” his cell phone.   If I recall, was it on May 30?   I would like to know the exact range of times this phone was lost.    It would be quite interesting for the phone to be “lost or stolen” at the exact same time Natalie was disappearing.   I think this is the case, but can anyone out there confirm?
 
There was a rumor that Koen Gottenbos was in a shaken, panicky state of mind the days following Natalies disappearance.    Was he a timid person who was just scared that Joran wanted him to give a  false alibi?  A timid guy who was even more afraid of NOT  caving in to Jorans request for an alibi?   Maybe Koen was scared that he knew too much, that his brother Sanders had been out the previous evening and had used the boat.  Maybe Koen had seen a number on Sanders phone as he passed the phone to Sanders.  At that age, brothers pretty much take turns losing their cell phones phones and they must often share.   Would Joran call Koen to reach Sanders, or visa versa?

So many possibilities for the police to investigate, if only the Gottenbos brothers were not so well connected, the police might have inquired further before they skipped town.    It seems the police want to just round up “the usual suspects”,  the black security guard, then the island drug dealers etc. 

Maybe Koen is not a timid person at all, maybe he is a tough skinned guy who Joran might have called to help him.    Does anyone know the personality profiles of Koen or Sanders?    It would be real interesting to see handwriting samples of Koen and Sanders for personality analysis.    We already know Freddys personality profile pretty well.   
Was Sanders a street wise guy who might have the smarts to tell Joran to “go about your usual routine tomorrow so as to not arouse suspicion”?

Why did Paulus look up alcohol and drugs on a google search before the Holloways had even landed in Aruba?    Perhaps Mrs. Gottenbos might have called Mrs. Van der Sloot to ask if the rumors of a drunken missing girl stumbling into the ocean after leaving the company of Joran were true.   (hear no evil see no evil speak no evil)   What are the phone records between the senior Gottenbros and the senior Van der Sloots.  What kind of cars were available to Sanders or Koen on the night in question?   Were security videos ever checked for the 2 Gbros?   There are enough questions for a whole new topic thread.

[MumInOhio]

Stuart quote:
So many possibilities for the police to investigate, if only the Gottenbos brothers were not so well connected, the police might have inquired further before they skipped town.

Perhaps Mrs. Gottenbos might have called Mrs. Van der Sloot to ask if the rumors of a drunken missing girl stumbling into the ocean after leaving the company of Joran were true.   (hear no evil see no evil speak no evil)   What are the phone records between the senior Gottenbros and the senior Van der Sloots.  What kind of cars were available to Sanders or Koen on the night in question?   Were security videos ever checked for the 2 Gbros?
End quote:
 

I am interested in why you would think the Gottenbos’ were so well protected. The father owned an Insurance office from what I have read. Though I am intrigued as to how the family managed to move to the US in such a short period of time. Unless there are extreme circumstances it takes forever to deal with the red tape of INS.

Have you considered that Deepak was the taxi cab driver?

The link to my thoughts on Freddy for the day! Thoughts?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.new#new

[stuart]

CubBeeGirl and Blonde,......I have at times believed that Paulus might be the accomplice.    But it is often the case that in dysfunctional family situations the parents will believe the child no matter how many times they lie.   “My child can do no wrong”.    Hear, see, speak no evil.    In cases of Munchausen By Proxy the husband will always believe every new version of the stories that the woman dishes out as she gradually poisins her own child.   People only believe what they want to believe.   The mafia wife, the cult member etc.

Paulus believed version #1, (Holiday Inn).    Paulus then believed version #2, (Left her on the beach).   I wouldn’t be surprised if  he believes  Joran now saying that he just made up version #3 (Body dumped out at sea). 
Kalpoes made up version #1 (Holiday Inn)while they wishfully believed version#2 at first (that he left her at the beach).  Early on, was version #3 circulating yet? 

The Kalpoes say “Freddy knows”.    Kalpoes had started to speculate that Joran had likely killed Natalie, and if he did he would have told Freddy.    What makes them think that Freddy knows more?    Maybe Joran told Freddy version #2 but accidentily added one more detail, such as the seizure, which the Kalpoes hadn’t heard yet.
 
No proof yet that Freddy knew version #3, but I think he was the first to tell police version #2.   Did he even try to tell version #1 first?   I wonder if Joran saw that version #1 was collapsing (hotel security videos) and then exploited Freddy to put out version #2.   If I were Freddy I would have just told police general second hand hearsay (version #1).   I would have acted just as confused as might Anita that version #1 wasn’t in agreement with the hotel  surveillance videos.    Kalpoes were no longer of any use (version #1) so Joran threw them aside and used Freddy to put out version #2.   Perhaps Freddy had as much to gain in manipulating the police as Joran.   

[Kiwi]

I didn't see this thread the other day. I agree with this possibility. I posted something out of the conversation in the police van that matches with the undercover statement. Maybe Klassend can bring if over. The part where Joran says he trusts Freddy with his life. Sounds familiar doesn't it.

[klaasend]

Translation of the Natalee Holloway Case police report
Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot accuse each other
DIARIO Aruba
4/20/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN)

D says to J: How do you feel Joran?
J says to D (in an upset tone): You had them arrest my father, my friend
D says to J (very calmly): That’s what I’m telling you, how do you feel?
J says to D: You know very well my father’s not involved
J says to D: I read your declaration, my friend.
D says to J: That’s bullshit.
J says to D: You lied, shit.
J says to D (very calmly): You know what happened to the girl, if you don’t know, then nothing happened to her.
J says to D: Then f*** you.
J says to D: What did you say that Freddy has to be detained?
D says to J: That Freddy has to say the truth.
J says to D: You know very well that Freddy told the truth.
S says to J: You’ll see, you’ll see.
D says to J: From the beginning, you could have avoided the matter of your dad.
D says to J: You know.
J says to D: What, where, how?
D says to J: That he wouldn’t have been detained.
J says to D: Hoe, hoeooooooo.
J says to D: You declared shit against him.
J says to D: My friend, the only thing my father wanted to do was to help you.
J says to D: My father only wanted to help you. My father even arranged a lawyer for you.
J says to D: And this is how you pay him back.
J says to D (angry): I have to give you both a klap/wanta [punch in the face?]
D says to J: Try numa [?]
D says to J: You can straighten everything out in one shot, you know
J says to D: Why?
J says to D: You can straighten things out too
J says to D: Straighten things out how?
D says to J: You have to tell the truth.
D says to J: Tomorrow I’m getting my last 8 days and then I’m going home.
J says to D: That’s what you think.
D says to J: I’m going home.
J says to D: Wait until I start saying things about you.
J says to D: Then I want to see if you’re going home.
D says to J: I guarantee you.
J says to D: You don’t think the police are interested to know that Satish hit a girl with the car?
S says to D (should be to J): He he, you make me laugh, my friend, simply laugh.
D says to J: You know very well, you’re always trying to come between us.
J says to D: Then you’re going to start talking shit about the choller (drug addict).
J says to D: My friend, it was me that helped you with that shit / the matter of the choller.
D says to J: I said that too.
J says to D: I didn’t read that, I also read the declaration.
S says to J: The thing about the choller was from me.
D or S says to J: That’s what I just said.
D or S says to J: I also said that in my first declaration. I did that for myself.
S says to J: I said that in my interest.
J answers back: That’s what police are telling me now.
J says to S or D: Police told me about you now, if you go against me then that’s when I will go against you.
Brothers laugh: Heheheheheh
S says to J: We didn’t put you in this problem.
S says to J: We simply told the truth.
J says to the brothers: You didn’t do that.
J says to the brothers: Half of what you said isn’t the f***ing truth.
J says to the brothers: That’s going to show in time.
J says to the brothers: Same as they control me, they control you too.
S says to J: About us, about us. They can find proof, but not about you.
S says to J: With lies there is no proof.
J says to the brothers: Everything is shit from Karen, you don’t know shit.
J says to the brothers: f*** you.
D says to J: You think the girl doesn’t have anything on, you’re going to see who, who f***/coy (the last part could not be heard well).
J says to D: We will see.
J says to D: You know when I’m going to laugh; when I give you a wanta [punch?] in the face.
J says to D: And I’ll laugh if they find the girl alive, f*** you.
J says to the brothers: I know very well that you’re scared.
J says to the brothers: If you did something bad to the girl, then we will see.
S says to J: I’m not scared.
S says to J: What do I have to be scared about?
D says to J: I want them to find the girl.
D says to J: You’re going to say shit about me in regards to the girl, that I buried the girl at the Fisherman’s Hut.
J says to D: Who said anything about a burial, I didn’t say anything about a burial.
D says to J: You declared that.
D says to J: Stop with the bullshit.
J says to D: I didn’t say anything about a burial.
J says to D: The only thing I can think of is that you know people, who are people of Automotive Enterprises.
S says to J (apparently in a sarcastic tone): Hahahaha, after I’ll get a flat tire he.
S says to J: Hahahaha, after went to get you and after I went back to the beach for the girl.
J says to S: Who said that.
S says to J: That’s what you said.
J says to S: My friend, I didn’t say that.
J says to S: My friend, I never said that you went back (apparently referring to the beach).
J says to the brothers: That’s your problem.
J says to the brothers: If they find the girl, then they will see the shit.
D says to J: 8 more days and I’m going home, I guarantee you this 1000 per cent.
J says to D: We will see.
D says to J: You don’t give a shit about your family members.
J says to D: The only thing I can think about is my family, I am doing what my family told me to do.
J says to the brothers: He, +++++.
D says to J: You’re like your father, incredible.
J says to D: What about my father, it’s your fault he was detained. I didn’t declare anything against my father, it was you who spoke against my father.
S says to J: I didn’t declare anything.
J says to the brothers: Of course you did.
S says to J: What did I say / against your father?
J says to the brothers: You said that he (Joran’s father) said that if there’s no corpse there’s no case, or I don’t know what more sorts of shit.
J says to the brothers: That’s not true, the only thing he (Joran’s father) said that if there’s no body there don’t have a case.
D says to J: That’s true.
J says to D: Nothing of that is true.
D says to J: I also said in my declaration that he wasn’t kiermen [?] like that.
J says to D: 20 (what’s is 20? Should be the word ‘esey’) I didn’t read that in your declaration.
J says to the brothers: That’s what they’re using against my father.
D says to J: We have suffered a lot because of you.
J says to the brothers: That’s the price that you’ve let my father pay. That you’re suffering so: f*** you. If you let me suffer, I say OK. I don’t have cunes [?] I can sit calmly 160 days here, for me it doesn’t make a difference. I’m ok here.
Brothers say to J: Me too, me too.
J says to S: And you Satish, they told me that you son of a bitch…see spirits in your cell.
J says to S: They told me that you see the girl in your cell and you get very scared.
S says to J: I saw a spirits? Two other guys saw spirits.
S says to J: You also believe people who are in this prison.
S says to J: What you say has nothing to do with spirits and is cheap shit.
J says to S: They speak well of me, but not of you.
J says to the brothers: And also the two guards (the two security guards who were detained the first time?_ guaranteed me that they will kill you when you get out of prison.
D says to J: Oh, yeah?
J says to the brothers: Who made the declaration about the guards; it was you and not me. Why? Because I didn’t want to bring anyone into the problem who has nothing to do with this case.
D or S yells to J: The lie was for you.
J says to the brothers: It was you who admitted that.
D or S again yells to J: The lie was for you.
J says to the brothers: You paid (with money) him (referring to a male person) however.
Brothers laugh: Hahahahaha.
J says to the brothers: You called by telephone saying that ‘I’ (the ‘I’ here is referring to one of the Kalpoe brothers) hit the jackpot. You said by telephone: “I hit the f***ing jackpot.” You forgot that the telephone was tapped.
S or D says to J: Shut your face.
J says to the brothers: You forgot that, +++++!
J says to the brothers: And when you got home and said that you fixed everything. You told me “I fixed it’.
J says to D: Good for you. Because of you I’m also in prison.
D says to J: Ayiaaaiaaai.
J says to the brothers: Juffle [?] man, what can you do?
D says to J: What can you do?
J says to the brothers: Make me shut my face, no.
Brothers say to J: f*** you, we’re not talking to you anymore.
D says to J: Talk until you get tired.
S says to D: You have clothes
D says to J: What are you going to do with that. I’m getting out of here in 5 days.
J says to O (apparently D): That’s what you think.
D says to J: Shut your face.
D says to J again: Shut your face, you bitch.
J says to D: What can you do.
J (should be D) says to J: f*** your father.
J says to D: If my father doesn’t get out tomorrow, then you’ll see.
J says to D: My friend, shut your face before I hit it shut.
D says to J: Do it if you can. You’re already in prison.
J says to D: It doesn’t make a difference, they can put me in the f***ing Cachot [?] I don’t have cunes [?]
D says to J: They’re going to give you 15 years if they find the girl.
J says to D: Why? Why?
D says to J: That scholarship of yours. Gooooooodbye, you can forget about it.
J says to D: Yes, because of who, because of you, +++++.
J says to D: You know very well that you did something bad, otherwise you wouldn’t lie.
Brothers say: Aaiaiaiaiaiaiai.
J says to the brothers : I should kill you, +++++.
J says to the brothers: Shut your cancer face.
D says to J: Won’t it be nice if tomorrow you’re standing in front of the RC (judge).
D says to J: How not? Too much proof.
J says to D: Then they can hit me too.
J says to D: You think that to me that makes a difference? One strike will be enough.
S says to J: You think, you think.
J says to S: You think that you can go home to get your gun.
S says to J: That I have a gun?
J says to S: Satish, you go get a gun from home, I shoot you dead [?]
S says to J: Look, police went to my house, they searched the house and they found a gun?
S says to J: What did they find?
D says to J: It’s been hours you’re talking bullshit.
J says to D: How is this shit not true, witnesses saw you.
S says to J: In the end, we’ll see who gets out and who stays.
S says to J: You tell the truth, we will see.
J says to the brothers: I know that I’m getting out.
Brothers say: We will see hahahahaha.

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I think one more person on Aruba knows what happened.  The young man whose phone Joran borrowed to call Freddy.   He says he ran up to the Marriot hotel to use the payphone, but,........
 
He wouldn't have said to DeVrie, "Oh, I just ran up the steps and happened across Sanders Gottenburg and borrowed his phone rather than use the payphone whose records are more accessable by the police." 

As far as Sanders knows, Natalie was abducted by Arabian slave traders later in the evening and Joran was just calling Freddy to arrange a late night poker game.   

On the video Joran says, refering to his accomplice: 
What do I have to do?
Look, there are not a lot of people I trust, but this is a boy, I also have something on him. I can't say he owes me.
That's too much.
But I told him, I have a problem.
And I know if he would have told me: I can't help you, you have to take care of this yourself......then he also would not have talked.
Maybe yes, but I don't know.
But I also know what this person is like.
And um I told Daury, Something bad has happened, something bad.

P: where did you talk to him?

j: the payphone, from the MH,

p: in the lobby?

j: no outside by the pool.
I always sit there.