Natalee Case Discussion #727 2/8 - 2/10/08

[yuknomenot]

Hi everyone,  this may be old info, but Sunday night there is supposed to be a new episode of 48 Hours: Hard Evidence about Natalee at 10 p.m. Eastern.  This show is on the old Discovery Times channel which is now called ID.  They say it's new, but with cable what they sometimes claim is new is only new to that particular channel.

Thanks I was hearing about another show but couldn't find it.

You're welcome.  After over 2.5 years hanging on to every word here, I was finally able to contribute some possibly unknown info  .  You all are amazing.

[hotping]

Hi everyone,  this may be old info, but Sunday night there is supposed to be a new episode of 48 Hours: Hard Evidence about Natalee at 10 p.m. Eastern.  This show is on the old Discovery Times channel which is now called ID.  They say it's new, but with cable what they sometimes claim is new is only new to that particular channel.

Thanks I just looked on My Dishnetwork and it will be on Sunday night at 9:00.PM Central time chanel 192 it is new for 2008 

[Observer]

Hi everyone,  this may be old info, but Sunday night there is supposed to be a new episode of 48 Hours: Hard Evidence about Natalee at 10 p.m. Eastern.  This show is on the old Discovery Times channel which is now called ID.  They say it's new, but with cable what they sometimes claim is new is only new to that particular channel.

Thanks I just looked on My Dishnetwork and it will be on Sunday night at 9:00.PM Central time chanel 192 it is new for 2008 

Well done yuknomenot! Not easy to come up with new info 

[yuknomenot]

Hi everyone,  this may be old info, but Sunday night there is supposed to be a new episode of 48 Hours: Hard Evidence about Natalee at 10 p.m. Eastern.  This show is on the old Discovery Times channel which is now called ID.  They say it's new, but with cable what they sometimes claim is new is only new to that particular channel.

Thanks I just looked on My Dishnetwork and it will be on Sunday night at 9:00.PM Central time chanel 192 it is new for 2008 

You're welcome.  I find myself watching this network quite a bit recently.  My hope is that it truly is a new episode.  Even if they don't have anything new, any time Natalee's story is on tv is a positive and could be one more step closer to justice.

[yuknomenot]

Hi everyone,  this may be old info, but Sunday night there is supposed to be a new episode of 48 Hours: Hard Evidence about Natalee at 10 p.m. Eastern.  This show is on the old Discovery Times channel which is now called ID.  They say it's new, but with cable what they sometimes claim is new is only new to that particular channel.

Thanks I just looked on My Dishnetwork and it will be on Sunday night at 9:00.PM Central time chanel 192 it is new for 2008 

Well done yuknomenot! Not easy to come up with new info 

Thanks  .  I have to repeat myself, you all are amazing.

[msmarple]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=981&Itemid=30

Fiscal a baha pisa riba gang di Santa Cruz       

Saturday, 09 February 2008 

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna Edmond Jory L.A.N a y Edmar J.T a presenta dilanti di huez.
E.N tin diferente acusacion contra dje.

E ta wordo acusa di a maltrata su pareha, planta mata di marihuana, posesion di arma di candela y intento di homicidio.

E.T ta wordo acusa di ta complice di e intento di homicidio hunto cu E.N. E prome acusacion cu a wordo trata ta esun unda cu E.N a maltrata su pareha riba 22 y 23 di September 2006.
Segun fiscal “Jory” manera e acusado ta wordo yama, na dado momento a dal e mucha muher cu kende e tabata tin un relacion y un yiu, cu mokete y schop den su cara y na diferente otro parti di su curpa.

Den corte Jory a admiti cu el a dale mucha muher. El a bisa cu despues cu el a traha durante 9 luna pa e baby, diripiente e mucha muher no tabata kier a lage wak su yiu mas.

Huez a mustra e acusado e potretnan riba cual bo por a wak marca blauw na cara y diferente parti di curpa di e muher. El a admiti tambe di a dal e muher schop den su cara, cu e asina yama “stalen neus” cu tin den su zapato.

Jory a splica cu ora cu el a wordo laga den libertad, el a haya curso pa controla su agresion, pero ainda e falta di bay mas les.

El a splica tambe cu despues e mucha muher a bin bek for di Hulanda y nan a biba cu otro un tempo atrobe.

Pa loke ta e acusacion, autoridadnan na cas di Jory a haya un cantidad di mata di marihuana.
Jory a bisa cu e marihuana tabata pa propio uso.

Segun Jory e no tabata bende marihuana, sinembargo e mucha muher cu kende e tabata biba e tempo ey, a bisa cu e tabata bende e droga.

Pa loke ta e acusacion di intento di homicidio, huez a repasa algun parti di e rapport y el a hasi diferente pregunta relaciona cu esaki.

E problema a cuminza ora cu segun testigonan Jory a dal miembro di un otro gang.
Despues di esaki, miembronan di e gang ey a mustra Jory un arma di candela y a pasa man na garganta como menaza.

Jory e ora ey a haya lift di Edmar T. pa su cas. Eynan Jory a busca dos arma di candela. Huez a puntra Edmar si e tabata sa di e armanan di candela y el a bisa cu no.

For di eynan nan a bay core rond y na dado momento nan a wak algun miembro di e gang di warawara y Jory a saca su armanan y el a los varios tiro den nan direccion. Un di e personanan a wordo alcanza na su pia y e otro a haya bala na su barica.

Huez a bisa cu diferente testigo a declara cu e auto den cual e sospechosonan tabata core, tabata core hopi poco poco, ora nan a yega cerca di e victimanan. Edmar kende tabata core e auto, a bisa huez cu e tabata core poco poco pasobra su auto ta hopi abao y eybanda tabata tin basta buraco den caminda.

Huez a puntra Jory dicon el a tira riba e personanan sinta riba e banki. El a bisa cu ora nan tabata pasa cu auto, el a wak un di e mucha hombernan cu den pasado na diferente ocasion a yega di tira riba dje, a sac pa coi algo for di un tas preto.

Segun Jory, el a asumi cu e mucha homber a coi un arma di candela y el a dicidi di tira riba dje, prome cu e mucha homber por a tira riba dje. Jory a splica huez cu den pasado el a yega di entrega diferente denuncia contra miembronan di e otro gang, pero polis no a hasi nada.

Fiscal a trece dilanti cu loke a sosode ta hopi serio. Manera el a bisa biaha pasa durante tratamento di e caso di e hobennan cu a kima auto di polis, kendenan ta miembro di e mesun gang di Jory, e ta haya cu henter e gang ta un set di “Looser”.

Nan a wak television y pelicula y kier imita esaki, sin pensa riba e consecuencianan. Segun fiscal, e mucha homber cu a wordo alcanza pa bala na su barica a perde un nier y su bida tabata na peliger.
Fiscal a bisa cu el a adverti biaha pasa cu si nan sigui asina, hendenan ta bay muri y esey a sosode tambe, ora cu algun tempo pasa e hoben Francis Gomez lamentablemente a perde su bida, ora el a los tiro riba un agente policial y esaki a tira bek riba dje, causando su morto.
Fiscal a pidi pa Edmar T. un castigo di 6 aña y pa Edmond J.L.A.N el a pidi un castigo di 10 aña.

Online Pap translation:

fiscal owing to descend pisa on gang of santa cruz

saturday, 09 february 2008

oranjestad(aan): diabierna edmond jory l.a.n owing to y edmar j.t owing to present fast of huez.
e.n have various acusacion contra dje.

the is wordo acusa of owing to maltrata his pareha, plant kill of marihuana, posesion of arm of candela y attempt of homicidio.


e.t is wordo acusa of is complice of the attempt of homicidio together cu e.n. the first acusacion cu owing to wordo deal is esun where cu e.n owing to maltrata his pareha on 22 y 23 of september 2006.
according fiscal “jory” as the acusado is wordo calling, at dado instant owing to strike the child muher cu that the was have one relacion y one child, cu fist y schop in his cara y at various another part of his curpa.

in corte jory owing to admiti cu past owing to dale child muher. past owing to tell cu after cu past owing to work during 9 month for her baby, diripiente the child muher not was wanted owing to lage look at his child more.

huez owing to show the acusado the potretnan on cual could you owing to look at mark blauw at cara y various part of curpa of the muher. past owing to admiti also of owing to strike the muher schop in his cara, cu the so calling “stalen neus” cu have in his zapato.

jory owing to splica cu hour cu past owing to wordo let in freedom, past owing to achieve curso for controla his agresion, but still the miss of bay more lesson.

past owing to splica also cu after the child muher owing to come bek for of the netherlands y they owing to live cu another one time again.

for thing is the acusacion, autoridadnan at home of jory owing to achieve one cantidad of kill of marihuana.
jory owing to tell cu the marihuana was for own usage.

according jory the not was sell marihuana, sinembargo the child muher cu that the was live the time ey, owing to tell cu the was sell the drugs.

for thing is the acusacion of attempt of homicidio, huez owing to repasa some part of the rapport y past owing to make various question relaciona cu this.

the problem owing to cuminza hour cu according testigonan jory owing to strike acolyte of one another gang. after of this, miembronan of the gang ey owing to show jory one arm of candela y owing to happen hand at throat because; menaza.

jory the hour ey owing to achieve lift of edmar t. for his cas. eynan jory owing to busca two arm of candela. huez owing to ask about edmar if the was know of the armanan of candela y past owing to tell cu not.

for of eynan they owing to bay core rond y at dado instant they owing to look at some acolyte of the gang of warawara y jory owing to saca his armanan y past owing to los several tiro in they direccion. one of the personanan owing to wordo alcanza at his leg y the another owing to achieve ball at his barica.

huez owing to tell cu various witness owing to declara cu the car in cual the sospechosonan was core, was core much some poco, hour they owing to arrive close of the victimanan. edmar that was core the car, owing to tell huez cu the was core some poco because his car is much abao y eybanda was have enough buraco in caminda.

huez owing to ask about jory dicon past owing to throw on the personanan sit on the bank. past owing to tell cu hour they was happen cu car, past owing to look at one of the child hombernan cu in pasado at various ocasion owing to arrive of throw on dje, owing to sac for coi algo for of one bag black.

according jory, past owing to asumi cu the boy owing to coi one arm of candela y past owing to dicidi of throw on dje, first cu the boy can owing to throw on dje. jory owing to splica huez cu in pasado past owing to arrive of entrega various denuncia contra miembronan of the another gang, but police not owing to make nothing.

fiscal owing to trece fast cu thing owing to sosode is much earnest. as past owing to tell trip happen during tratamento of the caso of the hobennan cu owing to burn car of police, kendenan is acolyte of the same gang of jory, the is achieve cu all the gang is one thirst of “looser”.

they owing to look at television y pelicula y wanted imita this, without think on the consecuencianan. according fiscal, the boy cu owing to wordo alcanza for ball at his barica owing to lose one nier y his life was at danger.
fiscal owing to tell cu past owing to adverti trip happen cu if they follow so, hendenan is bay die y esey owing to sosode also, hour cu some time happen the young francis gomez alas owing to lose his life, hour past owing to los tiro on one agent policial y this owing to throw bek on dje, causando his dead.
fiscal owing to ask for edmar t. one castigo of 6 year y for edmond j.l.a.n past owing to ask one castigo of 10 year.

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[msmarple]

beachwego! Good to see you ...

[Anna]

OK, just got out of shower where I remembered something that has bugged me for a bit.  I have no proof and that's why I have not said anything about this before but just something to keep in the back of ones mind while considering the validity of what we have been told.

Most of the major agents of misinformation as far as the U.S. is concerned are expats or former residents of this country.  Julia Renfro, scubajap/Rolalie Klein, Angela, Mark Purcell and others.

I don't think their effort is on behalf of Joran and certainly not someone like Lorenzo but more likely one of their own they are trying to protect.

There is a person rumored to work at a bar near Carlos and Charlies who is also rumored to have possibly sold Ecstasy and been a user himself.  IF, big IF, all that is true, it is also rumored and for various reasons likely that he had a boat docked at the Marriott.  Could this be the person Deepak stopped by to see after leaving C&C instead of Pitbull as we sometimes think?  Would be up and about and in that location at that time of night, etc.

I don't know if Joran knows this person or not but would be a logical choice as the person the American expats are all so frantic to protect instead of any of the Dutch or Arubans.

So who in the area was likely up and about, sold Ecstasy no matter what his mother said about that and had a boat right there at the Marriott and would be a person all the expats from America would be concerned about protecting as one of their own and has someone who has exhibited irrational animosity toward Beth and even Natalee throughout all this?

To me this person sounds much more like a likely candidate than any Daury or others.

Just something to think about as I have no proof of anything but can't get this nagging feeling out of the back of my mind concerning the most likely candidate other than Paulus for involvement in any disposal of remains if that even happened.

Now to bed for real this time!

.

[crazybabyborg]

beachwego! Good to see you ...

Yes, it is! Wow! I haven't seen you in a while, and it's great to have you back!

[Observer]

Hi everyone,  this may be old info, but Sunday night there is supposed to be a new episode of 48 Hours: Hard Evidence about Natalee at 10 p.m. Eastern.  This show is on the old Discovery Times channel which is now called ID.  They say it's new, but with cable what they sometimes claim is new is only new to that particular channel.

Thanks I just looked on My Dishnetwork and it will be on Sunday night at 9:00.PM Central time chanel 192 it is new for 2008 

Well done yuknomenot! Not easy to come up with new info 

Thanks  .  I have to repeat myself, you all are amazing.

Thanks! There is a outstanding group of people here as you know ..I look forward to seeing more of your posts.

You also NorthernStar! It is great to have you here!! 

[crazybabyborg]

Geraldo will also cover the case tomorrow. The primary races have pushed media coverage to temporarily set it aside for the most part today. If you missed Nancy Grace last night, it's worth seeing. I think the videos are available in the media thread.

[crazybabyborg]

I just checked and the Nancy Grace links are on the media coverage thread, thanks to Carpe! Hasn't he been great to make sure we don't miss anything? THANK YOU Carpe! 

[crazybabyborg]

I'm going to hit the monkey bunky soon, but my thoughts are with the Persistence and the hope they make possible for Natalee's family.

I'm just in awe of the sacrifices they've made!

[crazybabyborg]

Father,
I come in thanksgiving for the answers that you have caused the family of Natalee Holloway to have and in anticipation of your bountiful Blessings to further your miracles in this case. You know the hearts and sacrifices of the crew on the ship who are tirelessly looking for Natalee's remains. I believe that you placed them where they are, and I believe that they are standing where they are in faith and expectation in obedience. Lord move your hand and speak the miracle that affirms your Sovereignty over all evil! Your handwriting on events is always more than is fathomed, and I pray and ask in Jesus' name that you allow these men to bring Natalee's remains home to her family!

Keep them in health, and give them solice in the task they are undertaking. Make your presence known to them and strengthen their resolve. Please Jesus, bring them blessings and success in their mission!

I thank you for the inspiration and witness they are to the world, for through them, we learn of your nature. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

[hotping]

I'm going to hit the monkey bunky soon, but my thoughts are with the Persistence and the hope they make possible for Natalee's family.

I'm just in awe of the sacrifices they've made!

The Persistence Crew are Definitely the Most Unselfish and Caring People on the Face of the Earth.....God Bless Them and Keep Them Safe! Amen!

[hotping]

Father,
I come in thanksgiving for the answers that you have caused the family of Natalee Holloway to have and in anticipation of your bountiful Blessings to further your miracles in this case. You know the hearts and sacrifices of the crew on the ship who are tirelessly looking for Natalee's remains. I believe that you placed them where they are, and I believe that they are standing where they are in faith and expectation in obedience. Lord move your hand and speak the miracle that affirms your Sovereignty over all evil! Your handwriting on events is always more than is fathomed, and I pray and ask in Jesus' name that you allow these men to bring Natalee's remains home to her family!

Keep them in health, and give them solice in the task they are undertaking. Make your presence known to them and strengthen their resolve. Please Jesus, bring them blessings and success in their mission!

I thank you for the inspiration and witness they are to the world, for through them, we learn of your nature. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

Amen!

[Miss Scarlet]

Father,
I come in thanksgiving for the answers that you have caused the family of Natalee Holloway to have and in anticipation of your bountiful Blessings to further your miracles in this case. You know the hearts and sacrifices of the crew on the ship who are tirelessly looking for Natalee's remains. I believe that you placed them where they are, and I believe that they are standing where they are in faith and expectation in obedience. Lord move your hand and speak the miracle that affirms your Sovereignty over all evil! Your handwriting on events is always more than is fathomed, and I pray and ask in Jesus' name that you allow these men to bring Natalee's remains home to her family!

Keep them in health, and give them solice in the task they are undertaking. Make your presence known to them and strengthen their resolve. Please Jesus, bring them blessings and success in their mission!

I thank you for the inspiration and witness they are to the world, for through them, we learn of your nature. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

Amen.

[crazybabyborg]

I'm going to hit the monkey bunky soon, but my thoughts are with the Persistence and the hope they make possible for Natalee's family.

I'm just in awe of the sacrifices they've made!

The Persistence Crew are Definitely the Most Unselfish and Caring People on the Face of the Earth.....God Bless Them and Keep Them Safe! Amen!

I hope and expect them to get the funds to continue on until they feel it has been a thorough effort. They've come a long way and given so much, too much to stop for lack of funding. The recent developments have added to the information they are working from.

God Bless Them!

[hotping]

OK, just got out of shower where I remembered something that has bugged me for a bit.  I have no proof and that's why I have not said anything about this before but just something to keep in the back of ones mind while considering the validity of what we have been told.

Most of the major agents of misinformation as far as the U.S. is concerned are expats or former residents of this country.  Julia Renfro, scubajap/Rolalie Klein, Angela, Mark Purcell and others.

I don't think their effort is on behalf of Joran and certainly not someone like Lorenzo but more likely one of their own they are trying to protect.

There is a person rumored to work at a bar near Carlos and Charlies who is also rumored to have possibly sold Ecstasy and been a user himself.  IF, big IF, all that is true, it is also rumored and for various reasons likely that he had a boat docked at the Marriott.  Could this be the person Deepak stopped by to see after leaving C&C instead of Pitbull as we sometimes think?  Would be up and about and in that location at that time of night, etc.

I don't know if Joran knows this person or not but would be a logical choice as the person the American expats are all so frantic to protect instead of any of the Dutch or Arubans.

So who in the area was likely up and about, sold Ecstasy no matter what his mother said about that and had a boat right there at the Marriott and would be a person all the expats from America would be concerned about protecting as one of their own and has someone who has exhibited irrational animosity toward Beth and even Natalee throughout all this?

To me this person sounds much more like a likely candidate than any Daury or others.

Just something to think about as I have no proof of anything but can't get this nagging feeling out of the back of my mind concerning the most likely candidate other than Paulus for involvement in any disposal of remains if that even happened.

Now to bed for real this time!

.

Anna You are talking in code.... LOL...but I think I know who You are talking about....This person was never questioned..right? 

[crazybabyborg]

Wouldn't it be something if they found Natalee's remains and bring her home? I'd love to know that she was no where near Aruba anymore, but laid to rest near her family! It would take a miracle, but these men are examples of the sacrificial love that seem to walk with miracles! I have faith!