Natalee Case Discussion #728 2/10 - 2/11/08

[Destiny]

I don't think Peter should give Anita a free pass.  She is no innocent.   

Nope....Anita *saw* Natalee's underwear...she told Beth what they looked like...Beth confirmed this on national TV ...no free pass for that witch!

[Anna]

Who worked at the Marriott who was likely to have access to a boat?

More people involved in this than Freddie lived near Joran.  Was there a trusted older neighbor already "there" and one who could have the use of a boat?  The advice given to Joran about going to school sounds very fatherly to have come from a kids.  Sounds like something a mature adult would say.

Who did Joran know already there (at the Marriott) with a boat that he felt he could trust this much and was also a neighbor?  Would this person be a logical one to contact by either Joran or Paulus in this regard?

jmho

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my goodness, could we possibly know someone who worked at the marriott at that time?  someone who's stuck his nose into the case on the side of jvds?  why, i'd be willing to bet we could if we tried really, really hard.
dennisintn
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Yes, dennisintn, someone that all the American Expats would rally around and whom Joran may have known as neighbor, whose child he may have played with while growing up or at least knew.  Are the expats protecting one of their own instead of Joran after all?

Someone who could just hop in his choice of several boats right there on the beach or at the dock.  Someone whose own son might sell X out of a bar near C&C?  Someone who has shown an abnormal interest in all this for some odd reason or other?

Anita told the suspects to stay away from the "Rott.  Was there surveillance and if so who told her that?  Someone who worked there?  Even Shango said House of Bill which Tyler has explained several times.

jmho

[Buckeye]

When Joran talked about using the Marriott phone, he talked about, "over where I sit all the time".  Hmmmm those early reports of Natalee leaving with a drug dealer.  Did Joran get The Marriott because of his looks?  Boeti would scare the Marriott tourists??

Why did Joran need a VIP pass to C&C?  Who got it for him? Aren't those usually given to people that drum up business?  Bring in girls?  I know my daughter is approached by "promoters" in LA and Miami, with passes to all sorts of things.  Never from a guy in high school.

[klaasend]

spock wrote:

The G had their boat out that evening. Its in the statements. Joran was invited but not go. I suspect they left the boat at the Marriot dock after the cruise instead of retrailoring it and driving it back to the G home. One phone call and the the keys to a boat 100 yards from the mangroves.

Excellent point Spock.  We know Sander asked Joran on 5/29/05 if he wanted to go out in the boat.  Sander and whoever probably did go out that day and may very well have left the boat at the Marriott dock.  Then Sander conveniently looses his cell phone on 5/30/05 at school???

[Auntiem]

Posted by P.I.


No offense meant, but a man who hasn't had water in 100 days, if he could live that long, is going to appear appreciative after 1 glass of water. Does that mean he doesn't need more?

    You are absolutely right.  A temporary relief in knowing what happened....the relief will fade.....the memory, the heartbreak will never!!

[imnoangel]

Klaasend, thank you very much for activating my account!

Hi Monkeys,
I'm a newbie, have been reading your posts for the past week or so and am very impressed of what you all came up with.

Reading all posts I became more and more convinced that Paulus van der Sloot is the evil genius in  this whole sceme.
I do not have proof for the following, but in my opinion this is what happened:
Paulus is the one who had access to information at the times Joran was in jail, and he easily could inform Joran what Joran should watch out for by using Jorans attorney as a messenger.
No doubt in my mind that he did it that way.

A teenage boy would normally get scared and confess but Joran didn't. Why?
Because Paulus told him from the beginning it was going to be allright.
Joran just had to hang in there and deny his involvement.
Joran grew up while his father was practising law. Why then does Joran have no respect at all for the law?
Because he saw and heard too much of he old boys network at the vdS-home while growing up.
And why does Joran obviously have no respect at all for his father?
Who can respect an elder who obviously is lying his *ss off and ties to blame you, a child, for his own doing??
In my opinion, Paulus expected to get away with it all, but then Joran was arrested.
Paulus thought: well, he is a minor, IF he ever gets the blame and get convicted,
he wil get a diminished sentence.
And why did Paulus say that if there's no body there's no crime?
Legally that's true, but I think he said it because he knew they couldn't find a body.
Its about time they dig up that pool at the vanderSloots' property.
I really don't understand why they havent done that already years ago.

I would like the Dutch government not to pay a florin to Aruba anymore till this case is solved.
And when the rumours get loud enough, questions wil be asked about this case in the dutch parliament, if so, probably a dutch investigation will start and heads will roll.
With the deVries tapes, in Holland this may be a reason for reasonable doubt, i think.
If so then they can re open the case.
but im not sure about aruban law.
Further,knowing Peter de Vries, he has other leads. Peter does not act on a single thing without a backup theory. And from what i hear and read, he also thinks Paulus is in up to his ears on this.
I have to excuse myself for the poor english in my posts,but i hope you all understand what i wrote here.
Bye for now,
Imnoangel

[Rob]

>>>>taps toes<<<

[Anna]

Who worked at the Marriott who was likely to have access to a boat?

More people involved in this than Freddie lived near Joran.  Was there a trusted older neighbor already "there" and one who could have the use of a boat?  The advice given to Joran about going to school sounds very fatherly to have come from a kids.  Sounds like something a mature adult would say.

Who did Joran know already there (at the Marriott) with a boat that he felt he could trust this much and was also a neighbor?  Would this person be a logical one to contact by either Joran or Paulus in this regard?

my goodness, could we possibly know someone who worked at the marriott at that time?  someone who's stuck his nose into the case on the side of jvds?  why, i'd be willing to bet we could if we tried really, really hard.
dennisintn

The G had their boat out that evening. Its in the statements. Joran was invited but not go. I suspect they left the boat at the Marriot dock after the cruise instead of retrailoring it and driving it back to the G home. One phone call and the the keys to a boat 100 yards from the mangroves.

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Or just stroll over to the 'Rott and ask good neighbor to use his or the hotel's boat already there.

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[Anna]

I know Freddy worked at Champions Bar in the Marriott, not sure of the date of his employment.  Mark Purcell also worked at the Marriott.

Yes, he did indeed.  Also neighbor of Joran's, both of them.  But one had access to boat as director of facilities.  Might even give fatherly advice to go to school.

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[Auntiem]

Hmmmm, MP????   Has he really faded into obscurity????    Or is he still around??? Maybe RH could tell us...

[klaasend]

Klaasend, thank you very much for activating my account!

Hi Monkeys,
I'm a newbie, have been reading your posts for the past week or so and am very impressed of what you all came up with.

Reading all posts I became more and more convinced that Paulus van der Sloot is the evil genius in  this whole sceme.
I do not have proof for the following, but in my opinion this is what happened:
Paulus is the one who had access to information at the times Joran was in jail, and he easily could inform Joran what Joran should watch out for by using Jorans attorney as a messenger.
No doubt in my mind that he did it that way.

A teenage boy would normally get scared and confess but Joran didn't. Why?
Because Paulus told him from the beginning it was going to be allright.
Joran just had to hang in there and deny his involvement.
Joran grew up while his father was practising law. Why then does Joran have no respect at all for the law?
Because he saw and heard too much of he old boys network at the vdS-home while growing up.
And why does Joran obviously have no respect at all for his father?
Who can respect an elder who obviously is lying his *ss off and ties to blame you, a child, for his own doing??
In my opinion, Paulus expected to get away with it all, but then Joran was arrested.
Paulus thought: well, he is a minor, IF he ever gets the blame and get convicted,
he wil get a diminished sentence.
And why did Paulus say that if there's no body there's no crime?
Legally that's true, but I think he said it because he knew they couldn't find a body.
Its about time they dig up that pool at the vanderSloots' property.
I really don't understand why they havent done that already years ago.

I would like the Dutch government not to pay a florin to Aruba anymore till this case is solved.
And when the rumours get loud enough, questions wil be asked about this case in the dutch parliament, if so, probably a dutch investigation will start and heads will roll.
With the deVries tapes, in Holland this may be a reason for reasonable doubt, i think.
If so then they can re open the case.
but im not sure about aruban law.
Further,knowing Peter de Vries, he has other leads. Peter does not act on a single thing without a backup theory. And from what i hear and read, he also thinks Paulus is in up to his ears on this.
I have to excuse myself for the poor english in my posts,but i hope you all understand what i wrote here.
Bye for now,
Imnoangel

Welcome to Scared Monkeys!

Remember there was a confession on 6/10/05 that was retracted.  I believe Joran did confess and that's when the coverup went into full swing.

[Anna]

To all the new posters and especially the Dutch






Do not concern yourselves at all with your English being good enough to post.  We do not use our own best most of the time.  Can't speak for others but I understand everything you say with no problems at all. 

If someone doesn't they can always ask you to say it a different way so they can.

I find Peter deVries accent very endearing and can understand him better than, oh, say. . . .Greta for example.   
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[klaasend]

>>>>taps toes<<<

Tapping fingers wondering why you are tapping your toes? 

[private eye]

Posted by P.I.


No offense meant, but a man who hasn't had water in 100 days, if he could live that long, is going to appear appreciative after 1 glass of water. Does that mean he doesn't need more?

    You are absolutely right.  A temporary relief in knowing what happened....the relief will fade.....the memory, the heartbreak will never!!

But I do agree with you, whatever relief she got certainly seemed to agree with her. She seemed sooooooo much better:)

[Auntiem]

    Where is that confession? Has it been destroyed or do they still have it stashed some place like they kept the wire taps or tapes that prevented PVDS from gaining monetary compensation. Remember when they said in court that he had been in Natalee's company on TWO occassions that evening????  We know he was next to her (and obviously skeeving her out) in the Casino.....what was the SECOND time???????

[Bladerunner]

    Where is that confession? Has it been destroyed or do they still have it stashed some place like they kept the wire taps or tapes that prevented PVDS from gaining monetary compensation. Remember when they said in court that he had been in Natalee's company on TWO occassions that evening????  We know he was next to her (and obviously skeeving her out) in the Casino.....what was the SECOND time???????

JUNE 9-11, 2005  -  THE DISTURBING EVENTS SURROUNDING THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE IN ARUBA

To many followers of the Natalee Holloway case the events that took place around the date of June 10, 2005 are highly suspicious in nature. The three main suspects, who remain so to this day, were arrested the previous day. This was 10 days after Natalee's disappearance on Aruba, a fact that has been much discussed as troublesome in itself on the part of Aruba's prosecutor and Police Department.

On June 10th it was publicly released to the world-wide media that one of the suspects—either Joran Van Der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, or Satish Kalpoe-- had confessed that Natalee was dead, had been buried at a given location, and was taking law enforcement personnel to the exact spot to recover her body. This statement was released to the press by Police Chief Gerold Dompig and was covered widely in the mainstream media. Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes confirmed this confession to the media. Then, in an action confusing to many, this statement was retracted the following day, June 11th, as misinformation. It should also be noted that this is around the same time Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Oduber returned to the island for the first time since Natalee's disappearance.[/color]
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What followed these events was a series of releases re-arrests, new arrests and more releases of suspects by ALE, a flurry of questionable judicial decisions by a group of Dutch judges from Curacao, and the formation of a group of government and business leaders who have hired people like the Police Chief to cast dispersions on the character of the victim and her family. The case of Natalee Holloway still flounders today, 16 months later.

Questions surrounding this strange series of the confession and retraction abound. Why would such detailed statements be given to the world media for distribution, by both the police and the Minister of Justice, if there was no truth to them? Who would know better what the suspects' statements were than those in charge of questioning them? Perhaps most peculiar, why have these statements never been released when so many others in the case have been disseminated? Does the retraction of the statement under such strange circumstances indicate a widespread cover-up of the crime had begun?

[imnoangel]

just read peter de vries´s site, and, reading between the lines, my earlier post reflect peters´ thoughts on this as well. anyway, not neccissarily the poolstory but the rest.but, we´ll see.

thanks for the warm welcome!!

[AZSunny]

When the statement was made last week by, I believe, Rudy Croes, that Joran was no longer welcome in Aruba,  a further statement was made about removing Paulus for all government boards they listed the hospital board, and the PRISON board, etc.  I can not find the quote, but it was surprising to me that with his son having been in KIA he was on the prison board.  Surprising to me in a "oh my gawd, that explains so much" type suprise.

If this was already discussed, can some one point me to that discussion.  If not, what are your thoughts?

[Rob]

>>>>taps toes<<<

Tapping fingers wondering why you are tapping your toes? 

cause I get what Anna's gettin' at....

I'm just waiting for someone to say it....LOL

[MuffyBee]

   I saw in one video, today, that Beth is satisfied.....she said it hadn't been about Justice, but the Truth. She feels she now knows the truth.... I hope it doesn't result in just that.  Maybe she does know the truth, maybe she does know more than we.....I believe we may all have to be satisfied with what is being touted as "the truth" right now.  Does anyone belive Joran will recieve his punishment, on this Earth??? 
     Maybe being a Personna non Grata,......a pariah amonst men, will prove to punish him!!

Auntiem ~  I would bet my bottom dollar Beth knows a lot more than we do.  As far as Joran receiving his punishment on this Earth-I doubt he will be brought to trial and punished by law to the full extent for the crimes he committed.  However, there are different kinds of punishment down here on Earth besides jail, and that is where Joran will get what's coming to him.  IMO of course.

No offense meant, but a man who hasn't had water in 100 days, if he could live that long, is going to appear appreciative after 1 glass of water. Does that mean he doesn't need more?

I was just commenting on the portion of the post about "maybe she knows more than we do".  I feel VERY certain Beth does.  As far as "we may all have to be satisfied" ~  no way!!  I'm not stopping now.  You may not hear from me that much and I'm not a puter wunderkind, but I've been here a while and won't be leaving any time soon.  Whenever I get the opportunity to correct disinformation concerning the case I do it, in real life.   I write and email to try to make a difference.  There are those that would love for us all to roll over and quit.  It won't happen.  Too many will stand by the girl.  And that means the whole enchilada.  Even if it means just picking at it and picking at it and picking at it over time, till the dam breaks and the truth gushes out.  I wouldn't be satisfied and I wouldn't expect Beth or her family to be satisfied either~ever.  I pray there will be justice for Natalee.  No one can ever bring her back, but I hope those that brought harm to her will feel pain and know she was beloved and what was done was wrong.  And here is an important part ~  that they cannot do this to another young girl again.  EVER  (rant over)