Natalee Case Discussion #728 2/10 - 2/11/08

[Frank]

Rob,

You are exactly correct. Joran is the scapegoat, but they cannot make it work. I have no doubt that Mos is trying to but he cannot compress what we know, that train left when Beth was told to shut up the first time.

Mental institution, the beach story, even killing Joran won't stop the questions.

Still, this last press release is an all time disaster, epic in it's stupidity and corruption.

[Bladerunner]

Rob,

You are exactly correct. Joran is the scapegoat, but they cannot make it work. I have no doubt that Mos is trying to but he cannot compress what we know, that train left when Beth was told to shut up the first time.

Mental institution, the beach story, even killing Joran won't stop the questions.

Still, this last press release is an all time disaster, epic in it's stupidity and corruption.

Oh, it is fking classic indeed! I read probably thousands of company press releases each year for my job. After a while you are just trained to immediately sniff out the bullshit, read between the lines, fill in the blanks, and understand what is really being said. What was posted a few pages back is unreal, and yes, as you state, truly EPIC.

[klaasend]

[ciskebab]

dont we have an hacker in our middle?

[private eye]

Private eye- Sorry I cut too much out, but I was commenting  on your post there. Just a side note if the judges feel that nothing really happened then Joran shouldn't worry about naming the actual clean-up crew. No reason at all to take it to the grave. Unless she wasn't dead yet. But maybe the judges feel they should remain secret and continue to perform their clean-up duties for Aruba.

As usual, it is me who should apologize as I am usually way too wordy and arrogant with my thoughts and posts:) but I agree if she was dead there is no reason to keep it a secret to the grave:)

However, I firmly believe that Rudy Croes is being blackmailed by these cover up Dutch, and no matter if a video of the deed is produced and authenticated, and Joran confesses, and if a body was found that corroborates the confession, Rudy cannot prosecute this case without taking himself down for an unrelated undefined criminal offense. JMO.

I better get to work but I will catch all of you later.

PS We just have to take Rudy down, because when he tumbles, he will bring the whole house down, and there is no telling who all is involved and or which governments secrets might be exposed. I hope I am wrong.

[caesu]

another thing that makes me very angry.

why did the KLPD/OM pull Opsporing Verzocht (Most Wanted) of the site??
Natalee was broadcasted april 11 2006 in The Netherlands and Aruba.
they did screw that up too by portraing Joran as a darker skinned kid.

http://www.avro.nl/tv/programmas%5Fa%2Dz/opsporing%5Fverzocht/archief/result.aspx?provincie=internationaal

some cases get resolved after years and years by a golden tip.

they don't even try to pretend anymore that they give a damn.

i called them up.

you want to know what the guy said?
"if it is not on the site, there has never been a program about it"
i should have taped it, i might call again - see if they come up with the same lie.
i confronted him with the facts. then he said i should call AVRO (the broadcaster).
i said: "shouldn't you be doing that for me?"
he said: "mmm....okay"

i wish i made this up.

caesu - SM probably has the Opsporing Verzocht tape somewhere.

i don't want to watch something made by KLPD/OM.

i rather watch Peter R. i have got both his programs about Natalee on my hard disk.
i am just pissed off that KLPD/OM doesn't even give the public the opportunity to watch it on their website.
or at least put a link up with a photo and a phone number.

[klaasend]

Somebody has any idea ho this is

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8576252

this is on the frontpage

aruba one happy island
 
    "ARUBA EVERY THING THAT HAPPEN IN ARUBA STAY IN ARUBA ONE HAPPY ISLAND...."

Man
21 jaar oud
paradera, cathtolic
Aruba

 
 
 

I found it on the friends list of that noelle

Yes, that's Eldwean (sp).  He is someone who knows Joran and many of the people mentioned in the case.  Some of our SM members have communicated with him.  Very early in the case he was in MSN (chat) with the daughter of one of our SM members.  I believe he has been questioned about what he may or may not know.  Here is the chat from early in the case:

Morning Folks.. My daughter just sent me something that came from the other forum NATS PLACE.. it was posted there...someone on there emailed it to the family and it has been sent to the police..she wasnt allowed to post it yet...the police said it was ok to do so and they feel its a significant peice of evidence.. I had to call my daughter after getting this..to ask her where she read it at..LOL I knew someone would ask.. but anyhow.. here it is....**************************************

A friend of mine from the forum got a chance to talk to one of Jorans friends over instant messanger. The conversation she posted was sent directly to Robin and Dave Holloway and then to the Natalee Holloway tip line. Officials are saying its for real.

aruba one happy eiland: why you want tu know
susie: cuz i need to talk to him
susie: and if ur not ganna give it to me im out
aruba one happy eiland: tel my wat company are you
working for
susie: i dont work rich girls dont need to work
aruba one happy eiland: why you want tu talk tu him
than
susie: cuz i jus do
aruba one happy eiland: you have msn messenger
susie: no
aruba one happy eiland: only on that ay talk tu him
susie: well ur no help
aruba one happy eiland: if you dont have it ay cant
help you
susie: apparently not
aruba one happy eiland: download it than
susie: doesnt it cost money
aruba one happy eiland: yep 30 dollars u week
susie: haha right i pay for aol 21 dollars a month im
not payin 120 a month for msn
aruba one happy eiland: you have tu pay it if you
want tu talk tu him
susie: o well i guess ill live without talkin to him
aruba one happy eiland: wat you want tu noow about
him
susie: nothing personally i think hes a f**kin loser
aruba one happy eiland: not loser but bitch
susie: everyones on to him about natalee
aruba one happy eiland: am not talking tu him never
agian
susie: ok
aruba one happy eiland: am soo angry with him
destroy aruba ay want tu kil him
susie: do u kno any thing about what he did with
natalee did he tell u any thing
aruba one happy eiland: one thing he told my he hit
him and hide boddy
susie: who hit who
aruba one happy eiland: yoran
susie: joran hit who
aruba one happy eiland: dont tel nobody
susie: wheres her body?
aruba one happy eiland: natalee
susie: where is she
aruba one happy eiland: he did not tel my
susie: ok
aruba one happy eiland: nobody damage mijn
aruba get away with it
susie: but only after i find out where nat is cuz her
mom needs to kno
aruba one happy eiland: you noow his mother
susie: natalees mom
aruba one happy eiland: yes
susie: yeah i talk to her
*** aruba one happy eiland's IC window is closed
susie: why u close
*** Waiting for aruba one happy eiland to connect
susie: yeah ur jus as guilty
*** Waiting for aruba one happy eiland to connect

[klaasend]

another thing that makes me very angry.

why did the KLPD/OM pull Opsporing Verzocht (Most Wanted) of the site??
Natalee was broadcasted april 11 2006 in The Netherlands and Aruba.
they did screw that up too by portraing Joran as a darker skinned kid.

http://www.avro.nl/tv/programmas%5Fa%2Dz/opsporing%5Fverzocht/archief/result.aspx?provincie=internationaal

some cases get resolved after years and years by a golden tip.

they don't even try to pretend anymore that they give a damn.

i called them up.

you want to know what the guy said?
"if it is not on the site, there has never been a program about it"
i should have taped it, i might call again - see if they come up with the same lie.
i confronted him with the facts. then he said i should call AVRO (the broadcaster).
i said: "shouldn't you be doing that for me?"
he said: "mmm....okay"

i wish i made this up.

caesu - SM probably has the Opsporing Verzocht tape somewhere.

i don't want to watch something made by KLPD/OM.

i rather watch Peter R. i have got both his programs about Natalee on my hard disk.
i am just pissed off that KLPD/OM doesn't even give the public the opportunity to watch it on their website.
or at least put a link up with a photo and a phone number.

May have been posted on the front page of SM.  I'm sure there's a YouTube as well.

[Rob]

Kim G was just on Fox and said 'new developments' coming up at 5 pm. I *think* that was what I heard.

I'm not holding my breath 

[Tylergal]

Tylergal
Are you saying that GVC is the one that received the phone call that got him so nervous per the girl that was his date at the time and it took them that long to even bother with the information?  Well, that figures! 

Yes, I took a lunch break, a long one. 

[caesu]

Ceasu if i remember it right the OM in aruba wanted the show of Opsporing Verzocht to be NOT been centered on the three main suspects they had to aprove the episode and told how it had to been shown on tv as you said for an example a darker guy who played joran and if i remember right it was KJ who was the one to aprove the episode but i'm not sure. I thought i had seen it on the Peter de Vries tapes of the show onnatalee he did in 2006. they are on youtube->peter r de vries reportage SBS6 2006. You are dutch right or wrong?

yes i am dutch.
only thing i remember about that Opsporing Verzocht program that there was some controversy about afterward because the portait Joran with the wrong skin color. but indeed, there were things fishy.
i am sure in the archives SM looked into this.
by pulling the program of their site or not putting the program back on right at the time there is so much media attention just doesn't sound like they have any interest in the public by providing clues to solve this mess.

i always thought that was what that tv program was about.

it even contradicts with what Harm Brouwer said friday in Trouw friday.
http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2008/02/topman_justitie_prijst_pr_de_v.html

http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article403613.ece < says sorry to Peter R. about Tonino-case
make up your mind man.
and that's the highest official at the dutch OM.

the Tonino-case, what a joke that was. 

(a prosecutor put his old pc on the street with garbage, someone brought that to Peter R.
on the hard disk there were details about ongoing court-cases and even child-porn - but Tonino said he didn't know how it got on his hard disk)

[vms]

Pronkjewail posted at RU:
 
Decision about Jorans arrest not made untill wednesday

Article will follow   

[ospainter]

Hi Everyone

Kimberly at Fox news just reported some "new news coming up about jvds, will he go to jail". Sorry missed the exact words

Probably will be on John Gibson at 5pm est.

Course we know how these things go..May be something, may be nothing..

MOO

OS

[klaasend]

Posted at RU:

Decision about Jorans arrest not made untill wednesday

http://www.nu.nl/news/1431239/10/Beslissing_arrestatie_Joran_uitgesteld.html

Aruban OM says the decision about arresting Joran will not be made until wednesday. The courts gave Jorans attorney until wednesday to make his "vision"about the case clear. Other information about the decision made earlier are not true.

[caesu]

Wow, I went to the myspace referenced a little bit ago, and Joran still has a myspace page and he last logged in today.  His personal statement is about meeting girls...no fake ones with fake tans.  Huh?  Anyway, sent him a message the subject of which was "Natalee" and the content was "murderer."  I wonder if it's really him and if so, what an arrogant pig, and ruthless murderer.  Hopefully all women will be aware of this skumbag and will never ever date him.   

i am sure there are many Joran-imposters around trying to get high on the hype.

[vms]

Hi Everyone

Kimberly at Fox news just reported some "new news coming up about jvds, will he go to jail". Sorry missed the exact words

Probably will be on John Gibson at 5pm est.

Course we know how these things go..May be something, may be nothing..

MOO

OS

Hi OS. TY!

[ospainter]

Hi Everyone

Kimberly at Fox news just reported some "new news coming up about jvds, will he go to jail". Sorry missed the exact words

Probably will be on John Gibson at 5pm est.

Course we know how these things go..May be something, may be nothing..

MOO

OS

Hi OS. TY!

Hi

yw

[caesu]

Pronkjewail posted at RU:
 
Decision about Jorans arrest not made untill wednesday

Article will follow   

maybe they are trying to postpone until PM Balkie comes back from aruba to prevent MSM attention while he is there.
i hope Peter R. will stir the ditch up a little.

[San]

Posted at RU:

Decision about Jorans arrest not made untill wednesday

http://www.nu.nl/news/1431239/10/Beslissing_arrestatie_Joran_uitgesteld.html

Aruban OM says the decision about arresting Joran will not be made until wednesday. The courts gave Jorans attorney until wednesday to make his "vision" about the case clear. Other information about the decision made earlier are not true.

I have a vision also.  My vision see Joran lying on the ground motionless.

[caesu]

Posted at RU:

Decision about Jorans arrest not made untill wednesday

http://www.nu.nl/news/1431239/10/Beslissing_arrestatie_Joran_uitgesteld.html

Aruban OM says the decision about arresting Joran will not be made until wednesday. The courts gave Jorans attorney until wednesday to make his "vision"about the case clear. Other information about the decision made earlier are not true.

so they are waiting for Joran's attorney...
that's doesn't seem to make much sense.
why can't the attorney just say what his take on Joran is.
like Joran might change into a sweet little kid overnight or something.

is the attorney waiting for something else to happen?