Natalee Case Discussion #729 2/11 - 2/13/08

[Ono]

Dave on NBC/13 Birmingham

Believes that the confession is true.
Does not believe that Deepak and Satish are not involved.
He believes that their involvement will come forward very soon.
He is talking about what happened in Carlos and Charlie's
the night that Natalee disappeared.  Says that there is
a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call.  He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession.  At last call guy would order two drinks
bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks.
He was very disappointed that the three judge panel extended
the time for Joran's lawyer to argue the case.  They do not
expect a ruling before the end of the week, even though they
are saying Wednesday.
Dave says that common sense tells him that they put Natalee
in the water.

I thank you too, Magnolia.  This is a very important piece of the puzzle.

[hotping]

"Says that there is a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call.  He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession.  At last call guy would order two drinks bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks."

Sounds like its time for an undercover sting by you know who!

Unfortunately, Carlos n Charlies is closed down and is being replaced by Senior Frogs.

Even though its being replaced by Senior Frogs it could still have the same old bartenders and the same old practices such as druging innocent tourists....MO 

[mishy]

Hi monkeys...I just made a donation to TES via paypal. Since I already had an account, it was quick and easy!! I wonder if Red wanted to put something on the FP that TES are in need of donations to keep the search going to get the word out to even more people who might not access the forum? Just a thought...

I'm thrilled that Beth will be on Dana Wednesday night. Unfortunately I will be traveling, so will be unable to hear the sh ow. Thank goodness I'll be able to check the podcast later!!!

[jackb]

"Says that there is a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call.  He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession.  At last call guy would order two drinks bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks."

Sounds like its time for an undercover sting by you know who!

Unfortunately, Carlos n Charlies is closed down and is being replaced by Senior Frogs.

It is my understanding that there is another one at St. Nicholas.  Remember baby beach, babylon places?  The southern part of the island.  Another Carlos and Charlies.
Wonder if Senior Frog is getting that one as well?      j/b

[caesu]

de 2de kamer is our parliament.

Thanks...thought you almost went Spanish or something with the de(s).

tuesday 14:00 dutch 8:00 EST
"question hour" in the parliament.

PM is out of the country
justice minister is also gone not 100% sure.

i don't know who will ask the question and who will answer them...

there is no leader.
i mean last week and still now. the whole world was looking at aruba and the netherlands.
WTF is going on. a weed smoking punk bragging about dumping an American girl possibly still alive in the ocean.
and he was still a free man probably smoking weed all day.

balkenende should have called a press conference for international press and explain HOW THE F*** this is perfectly possible in this country.

but he did NOTHING. and now he is on St. Maarten, friday Aruba and the MSM hardly has covered him being there.

i said this before last week but if peter r. wants too he can give a lengthy powerpoint press conference to all American and Dutch news channels and stage coup d'etat with American backing.

Queen is also gone by the way, ski-vacation in Lech, Austria.

[klaasend]

"Says that there is a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call.  He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession.  At last call guy would order two drinks bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks."

Sounds like its time for an undercover sting by you know who!

Unfortunately, Carlos n Charlies is closed down and is being replaced by Senior Frogs.

It is my understanding that there is another one at St. Nicholas.  Remember baby beach, babylon places?  The southern part of the island.  Another Carlos and Charlies.
Wonder if Senior Frog is getting that one as well?      j/b

That one is called Charlies Bar and it's more of a biker place, not a tourist place as much as CnC was.

http://www.charliesbararuba.com/

[Bladerunner]

de 2de kamer is our parliament.

Thanks...thought you almost went Spanish or something with the de(s).

tuesday 14:00 dutch 8:00 EST
"question hour" in the parliament.

PM is out of the country
justice minister is also gone not 100% sure.

i don't know who will ask the question and who will answer them...

there is no leader.
i mean last week and still now. the whole world was looking at aruba and the netherlands.
WTF is going on. a weed smoking punk bragging about dumping an American girl possibly still alive in the ocean.
and he was still a free man probably smoking weed all day.

balkenende should have called a press conference for international press and explain HOW THE F*** this is perfectly possible in this country.

but he did NOTHING. and now he is on St. Maarten, friday Aruba and the MSM hardly has covered him being there.

i said this before last week but if peter r. wants too he can give a lengthy powerpoint press conference to all American and Dutch news channels and stage coup d'etat with American backing.

Queen is also gone by the way, ski-vacation in Lech, Austria.

Wait until the shit hits the fan, then there will be a lot of press conferences to try and explain the unexplainable.

[Magnolia]

caesu - not online yet.  I'm wanting to see it too though, I missed it!

I think it is up at RU but I don't know how to bring it over.

[Tylergal]

devries explicitly said he did was not under the impression that joran told the exact thruth. he is convinced there is more to this.

  Yes, yes, yes.

[caesu]

I just saw on dutch television that tomorrow evening there will be a documentary about corruption in aruba. they were on a boat searching for natalee.
hang on there monkeys, al the pieces are falling in its place!!

dayhiker: you are welcome
note: i do not think it will come that far,i think joran asked for policeprotection when interrogated this week, and he probably got that.

buckeye:
putting joran in a mental institution could solve van der straatens problems.
who believes a lunatic?
by the way, we dutch think with TBS doing a time is a piece of cake but i heard from someone on the inside that isn t true.
When on TBS you get a talk once a year, an evaluation, you re stuffed with medication, and they ask all sorts of questions. then when they think you are still not functioning well, they can add to the sentence.
so if you get TBS you can be in for a very long long time.

excellent@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
here wrote that there was a dutch crew on board.

TBS can be even for life.
just every year broadcast the tapes to remind people who joran is.

[mishy]

Klaas, aren't they just essentially changing the name from Carlos 'n Charlies to Senior Frogs? Do you know why they are doing this? Could it be b/c of the case?

[texasmom]

"Says that there is a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call.  He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession.  At last call guy would order two drinks bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks."

Sounds like its time for an undercover sting by you know who!

Unfortunately, Carlos n Charlies is closed down and is being replaced by Senior Frogs.

Even though its being replaced by Senior Frogs it could still have the same old bartenders and the same old practices such as druging innocent tourists....MO 

As long as the "pimps" are preying on tourists I believe the drugging will continue, it's extra money in the bartenders pockets and there haven't been any consequences for it so far.

[caesu]

Someone post the Persistence link for imnoangel.

The Dutch poster caseu (?) wanted the TV station.

thanks i read it. 
at least i know that it is tomorrow (today) so i just check what the news programs are having as their topics.

if balkenende was a proper PM he would go one full day on that boat.

[klaasend]

caesu - not online yet.  I'm wanting to see it too though, I missed it!

I think it is up at RU but I don't know how to bring it over.

I'll go look

[caesu]

yes, thats the boat.
the program is called eenvandaag

 

[klaasend]

Klaas, aren't they just essentially changing the name from Carlos 'n Charlies to Senior Frogs? Do you know why they are doing this? Could it be b/c of the case?

They are moving the building and expanding.  CnC and Senior Frogs is owned by the same franchise.  I have no idea if the reason is do to the negative publicity.

[caesu]

imnoangel

Posted yesterday by family of a crew member:

The Persistence will be on the Greta show tomorrow evening John tells me.  Tim spent the day aboard the boat yesterday and so far all is a go! This is great.  They are out today and the dutch news guys I am told are getting sick over the rail.... about 12 foot seas.... John said they are not doing well... I hope this doesn't deter them from helping! L!

maybe they got sick after smelling the ditch!

[klaasend]

caesu - not online yet.  I'm wanting to see it too though, I missed it!

I think it is up at RU but I don't know how to bring it over.

I'll go look

Heli posted her transcript but still no video.

[Magnolia]

Klaas, aren't they just essentially changing the name from Carlos 'n Charlies to Senior Frogs? Do you know why they are doing this? Could it be b/c of the case?

I think they tore the old C&Cs down.

[Red]

"Says that there is a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call.  He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession.  At last call guy would order two drinks bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks."

Sounds like its time for an undercover sting by you know who!

Unfortunately, Carlos n Charlies is closed down and is being replaced by Senior Frogs.

It is my understanding that there is another one at St. Nicholas.  Remember baby beach, babylon places?  The southern part of the island.  Another Carlos and Charlies.
Wonder if Senior Frog is getting that one as well?      j/b

That one is called Charlies Bar and it's more of a biker place, not a tourist place as much as CnC was.

http://www.charliesbararuba.com/

Actually, believe it or not ... back in the day Charlies Bar was quite the tourist hot spot. It was just a nice little hole in the wall bar. People would leave mementos of where they were from.

I am not sure what the place has become today.

I actually used to frequent the place quite often in my youth ... before I was banned