Natalee Case Discussion #729 2/11 - 2/13/08

[imnoangel]

many a times when high ranked people are sent abroad it is an indication they did no good work ver here. they get weggepromoveerd, i do not know the english word for that.

[klaasend]

Kalpoe Discovery /Cremer Declarations filed 02/08/08

Declaration of Satish Kalpoe re:Discovery Documents 2/08/08

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/020808_SK_Discovery.pdf

Declaration of Deepak Kalpoe re:Discovery Documents02/08/08

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/020808_DK_Discovery.pdf

Declaration of William Cremer, Esq, re: Discovery Documents/Fee-Privileged 02/08/08

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/020808_CremerDeclaration.pdf

Looks like they aren't providing the early documents May - Sept 2005 because they had a different attorney and that attorney hasn't responded to their request for documents.  In otherwords, they haven't complied with the Motion to Compel, IMO.

Gee whiz, those would be the most important documents in the case. Anything after Joran was released on September 3rd pales in comparison.

At what point does this judge tell those prick lawyers to take a hike?

Actually Satish is claiming he has always had the same attorneys in Aruba and is supplying everything those attorneys had.  Deepak is claiming his attorney was Ooman (hired by PVDS) from 5/05 - 9/05 and that Ooman hasn't responded to their request for documents.  Then Deepak's current attorneys go on to say that they may already be in possession of all.

I don't buy it, they are turning over everything they claim the attorneys have but there are specific documents requested by Dr. Phil and if those aren't provided they have not complied with the Motion to Compel.  Will be interresting to see Dr. Phil's attorneys next motion.

[MumInOhio]

Tamikosmom...did you notice in another of the PVs from Joran's book, that it was decided on June 2nd. that Freddy was to buy new shoes?

Mum ... FREDDY KNOWS!

Janet

LOL....just told a new Monkey that Freddy is all over the Shango thread!

Wouldn't mind a dollar for every time he's mentioned in Joran's book ....

[Dayhiker]

Hi all!

You know, never thought i'd say this, but when i woke up this morning it came to mind that maybe Guantanamo Bay COULD serve a purpose..... 

i have posted the Jug Twitty tapes to Peter de Vries.

i have read about peaple saying the dutch are corrupt too.
well, obviously corruption is everywhere so why not in The Netherlands too.
but i feel i must urge you not to jump to conclusions too soon.
that could easy become slandering and that is an offence.
the dutch legal system simply differences from the american one.
and the dutch are not known for letting murderers off the hook like that.
nevertheless it is a good thing if high ranked peoples actions are being monitored
and if neccessary exposed by the public.

Personally I believe it's more the Dutch in Aruba that are corrupt.   

I do believe the Dutch system is totally corrupt on Aruba, not necessarily in Holland although I do question the Van der Sloot connections of Anita to the Hague. Since Holland controls the judges sent to Aruba there is a connection that (unfortunately for the Dutch) can't be ignored. I am hoping the uproar in Holland and Aruba will knock some sense into those Dutch judges who are supposedly meting out justice on Aruba. The world is watching.

[AVA]

 Joran has lied from the beginning because as soon as we got there, Beth stayed in the car, we walked up to the house with the police. And we had a picture of Natalee, her senior picture, and showed it to Joran, said, Have you seen this girl? Nope, never seen her before in my life. You know, so he`s lied from the beginning.

the casino tapes show Joran was lying

the confession tapes show Joran was lying

jmo

[Dayhiker]

many a times when high ranked people are sent abroad it is an indication they did no good work ver here. they get weggepromoveerd, i do not know the english word for that.

That would account for the corruption we've seen on Aruba. Good to see you again Imnoangel!

[Dayhiker]

Joran has lied from the beginning because as soon as we got there, Beth stayed in the car, we walked up to the house with the police. And we had a picture of Natalee, her senior picture, and showed it to Joran, said, Have you seen this girl? Nope, never seen her before in my life. You know, so he`s lied from the beginning.

the casino tapes show Joran was lying

the confession tapes show Joran was lying

jmo

Thumbs up to that! A belated Monkey welcome AVA!

[imnoangel]

i agree with you, dayhiker.
i still keep wondering what those connections of anita are.
can anybody shine a light on this?

[bleachedblack]

RUDY OOMAN, ATTORNEY FOR DEEPAK KALPOE: Usually, in cases like this, is that, the longer you detain somebody, the stronger your evidence should be. But, in this case, in my client's case, it was the other way around. The longer they stayed in detention, the more proof came out that they didn't have to do anything with the disappearance itself.

http://tinyurl.com/ysay2h

[Tamikosmom]

I do believe that both John Q. Kelly and Jossy Mansur were Greta's guests last night.  You would not believe it when you read the following transcript ...

Did Heli provide a transcript of John Q. Kelly's participation in Greta's show?  I read that John was very uncharacteristic and ... did not hold back ... he said it how it was.

Thank you.

Janet

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TRANSCRIPT

On the Record w/ Greta
Will Joran van der Slooet Be Re-Arrested?
Tuesday, February 12, 2008

GUEST: Jossy Mansur

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: There's more news tonight in the Natalee Holloway case. The prosecutor's office is fighting to get Joran van der Sloot under arrest and back in jail in Aruba, and it's up to Joran's lawyers to fight this new appeal from the prosecutor. What are Joran's lawyers up to, and what will they say to keep him out of jail?

Joining us live in Aruba is Jossy Mansur, managing editor of Diario newspaper. Jossy, where does it stand? The prosecutor lost his first round effort to lock up Joran, and he then appealed it to three judges. Where does it stand now?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": Well, it stands that the three judges have accepted that the defense lawyers for Joran will present whatever arguments they have to put obstacles in this arrest. And they have until Wednesday, the 13th of this week. And by week's end, they will issue a decision as to whether they will allow the re-arrest of Joran or not.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, the judges — is that certain that the judge will issue a decision, the three-judge panel, by Thursday or Friday, or is that just what everyone, the prosecutor thinks is going to happen?

MANSUR: No, that's what we got in the press release that the prosecution issued today.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where is Joran? Is he still in Holland?

MANSUR: He's still in Holland.

VAN SUSTEREN: And considered a persona non grata, at least by one influential person in the government in Aruba, right?

MANSUR: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does that mean?

MANSUR: I don't know. He's been declared that, but we don't know exactly what it means. Legally, it's impossible to stop him from coming to Aruba because he's a legal resident here. What it does mean (INAUDIBLE) is that the attitude of people who were standing behind him before has changed, and they all want to see this man leave the island.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where are his parents? Are they still on the island?

MANSUR: Yes, they are.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what is his father doing for a living?

MANSUR: Well, he's a practicing attorney.

VAN SUSTEREN: With who? He was practicing, at least with one of Joran's former lawyers. Is that still the arrangement?

MANSUR: Yes, that's still the arrangement. I think he works out of the office of Antonio Carlo.

VAN SUSTEREN: Has there been sort of a whole sweeping change in sort of view among Arubans? And it's a terrible thing to sort of generalize, but I — at least I always thought that towards the end, that people were not too pleased with Natalee Holloway's mother coming there and they sort of thought that Joran was a victim. First, am I sort of right about that? And secondly, has that changed?

MANSUR: No, that has changed quite a bit because many people that used to criticize her, even on the radio talk shows, now have apologized publicly to Beth because they understand now what she went through. And they understand now, after seeing the videotape of De Vries, what happened to this girl because Joran for once has admitted that he was with her at the moment that she died and that he ordered the disposal of her body.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you hear anyone supporting Joran's now statement in which he says that he was under the influence of marijuana and lying? Is there any sort of support for him that way in Aruba?

MANSUR: Absolutely none. From all the reactions we have received, he is being severely criticized for issuing this very (INAUDIBLE) excuse for what he said on that recording.

VAN SUSTEREN: In listening to the statement, I think, if I'm correct, that he's silent as to the Kalpoe brothers. They seem to be totally out of the picture. Is that your understanding, that no one is at least casting any sort of suspicion on them at this point?

MANSUR: That's what I understand from (INAUDIBLE) in which he issued this statement, this latest statement. But that doesn't mean that they're clear with the prosecution.

VAN SUSTEREN: But the prosecutor is not seeking to arrest Deepak Satish Kalpoe.

MANSUR: No, they're not. But we have to remember, Greta, that Deepak once said in a car, in a police car, that if they ever found the girl or whatever remains of her, that Joran would be look at 15 years in prison. How could he know that or how could he guess that if he didn't know what happened to the girl?

VAN SUSTEREN: I guess, knowing it, though, if he'd had a conversation with Joran and being told by Joran doesn't make him culpable. But anyway, we'll — there's still so much more to be known on this. Jossy, thank you.

MANSUR: Welcome.

[AVA]

Thumbs up to that! A belated Monkey welcome AVA!

thank you for your welcome!

and to know that the police were with Jug when he first approached the Van der Sloots yet, not one officer there that night has stepped forward to say "You are lying Joran"

I don't get it....why are they protecting the Van der Sloots?  Why are the Van der Sloots in any postion of power?

[Dayhiker]

Natalee Holloway

Several of our recent features have created lively debate on our forums found at the bottom of the features, like Rapid increase in Dutch community service orders by Eric Hesen, on the rising number of community service orders replacing prison terms of up to one and a half years in the Netherlands.

But none has created the overwhelming response and anger as those features focussing on the Natalee Holloway disappearance case. Not so much a saving the best for last, but certainly the most, the response has been unprecedented.

One of the current affairs features Holloway case 'confession' shown on US television by Radio Netherlands Worldwide US correspondent Reinout van Wagtendonk, about the claims that a Dutch investigative journalist 'solved' the case and broadcast a confession created a storm of angry responses. These included everything from threats against the suspects involved to a call for the boycott of Aruba as a holiday destination.

For the full text of the responses go to the website,
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/080205-vandersloot-devries-abc
but to give you just a taste of one of the milder reactions to the case, Arie Rommers of the Netherlands contributed this:

"I am Dutch, and many people are angry at Joran, he shows no remorse, he is a ruthless murderer and should be in jail. He is the shame of Aruba, and he has no respect for Natalee at all. I wish the Holloway family all the strength of the world!

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/feedback/feedbackarchive/080212-feedback

Thank you to our friends in Holland for seeing what we have been harping on for the last 32 months, thanks to Peter deVries. The truth is coming out.

[Debra]

I'm not familiar with Booshi Wever....
What is his connection to Paulus?  Thanks.

[Dayhiker]

Thumbs up to that! A belated Monkey welcome AVA!

thank you for your welcome!

and to know that the police were with Jug when he first approached the Van der Sloots yet, not one officer there that night has stepped forward to say "You are lying Joran"

I don't get it....why are they protecting the Van der Sloots?  Why are the Van der Sloots in any postion of power?

It is such a small island with everyone connected by business and family ties, AVA. You can't slap one of them without the other saying "ouch!". Paulus worked with and had friendships with the judges, prosecutors and police. This is what Beth and Dave were up against, the willingness of people in power to cover up crimes for their friends and relatives.

[Dayhiker]

I noticed when Joran was bragging about suing Aruba that it almost seemed like someone had promised/bribed him. Would that be his lawyer telling him that, or Daury?

Why would he be so excited and who would have to sell him on the idea? Almost as a way of appeasing all the "stress" Joran was going through.

His father is bribing him to keep quiet. It's all about Paulus.

Paulus and Joran can kiss that money good-bye. Any thoughts of paying Joran's legal bills or giving him extra gambling money went out the window when he confessed.

[Rob]

I'm not familiar with Booshi Wever....
What is his connection to Paulus?  Thanks.

I'm not sure how he is connect to Paulus. I see Wever mentioned in conjunction with Marisol Tromp most often. Could be the ministry of health is under her guidance.

[klaasend]

I'm not familiar with Booshi Wever....
What is his connection to Paulus?  Thanks.

Other than being in the government of which PVDS worked, none that I'm aware of.  Found this link for Booshi 

http://www.shadowlounge.nu/forums/index.php?showuser=5548

[Dayhiker]

That's just it, they do not know she was dead when he had her body disposed of so you have to assume she was alive just as she left with Joran. There is no other way to interpret it. You have to fall to the victim's side because she was alive when last seen.

That being said we have always seen the Dutch judges protect Joran so we shouldn't look for honesty or integrity from them. There is no reason to have any faith in their judicial system whatsoever.

Agree, this sytem is a complete farce and a disgrace to mankind. The modus operandi of the cover up co-conspirators is so fking obvious its jaw dropping. There needs to be an investigation de novo first and foremost before any justice can be served in this case. Investigate the investigators, for they are the ones complicit in the murder coverup. Forget about Joran and Paulus, they are cooked, its the others that need to be brought to justice. Until that happens, Aruba will always remain an island of disgrace.

Holland judiciary needs to bring the hammer down on those judges like Wit and Smid who have made such unbelievably senseless rulings in the case. Both were friends of Paulus, they should have never been able to make rulings.

[bleachedblack]

Where is Bud Larson, anyway?

You don't suppose one of the local drunks decided he was dead and should be disposed of per dennisintn above do you?

Something to think about since his wallet was found in the room by the next guests, not even by housekeeping as apparently they do a very poor job of that.

Perhaps he made the mistake of not responding appropriately to some thug or other and so could legally be deemed deceased and carted out to sea a la Aruban style.

.

Would also like to bring to mention here the missing Gary Markings. He had apparently been staying at Arubahouse a guest rental and has been missing since January 29th 2002.

http://tinyurl.com/2ygvqf

[caesu]

Natalee Holloway

Several of our recent features have created lively debate on our forums found at the bottom of the features, like Rapid increase in Dutch community service orders by Eric Hesen, on the rising number of community service orders replacing prison terms of up to one and a half years in the Netherlands.

But none has created the overwhelming response and anger as those features focussing on the Natalee Holloway disappearance case. Not so much a saving the best for last, but certainly the most, the response has been unprecedented.

One of the current affairs features Holloway case 'confession' shown on US television by Radio Netherlands Worldwide US correspondent Reinout van Wagtendonk, about the claims that a Dutch investigative journalist 'solved' the case and broadcast a confession created a storm of angry responses. These included everything from threats against the suspects involved to a call for the boycott of Aruba as a holiday destination.

For the full text of the responses go to the website,
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/080205-vandersloot-devries-abc
but to give you just a taste of one of the milder reactions to the case, Arie Rommers of the Netherlands contributed this:

"I am Dutch, and many people are angry at Joran, he shows no remorse, he is a ruthless murderer and should be in jail. He is the shame of Aruba, and he has no respect for Natalee at all. I wish the Holloway family all the strength of the world!

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/feedback/feedbackarchive/080212-feedback

of course radio netherlands. 
i totally forgot about them. i should have listenend how they covered the news.
it's bit like bbc world service

Who we are

Radio Netherlands is the Dutch world broadcaster and multimedia organisation. Although government-funded, Radio Netherlands stands apart from official bureaucracy in word and in fact; our multilingual programming is protected by a charter of editorial independence. Through this independence we have gained a reputation for impartial and objective reporting and commentary.