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« Reply #960 on: February 13, 2008, 12:24:34 AM »

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« Reply #961 on: February 13, 2008, 12:26:05 AM »

I agree, Bladerunner...........If Joran actually believed that THIS time, he was going down, I think he'd drag others with him by trying to shift blame. I just think that's more likely in a trial than in jail, "on hold" and leisurely plotting a defense with Tacky.

Think about it. He can't cut a deal and keep his father out of it because he would then have to name someone else as his accomplice. The named in turn will then realize they are screwed and give up the everything, including Paulus. He would likely then give up the prosecutors. The entire lot of them are totally screwed when this goes to trial. Everything is being held together right now by the slightest of threads.

The only way out is to continue with the coverup.
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« Reply #962 on: February 13, 2008, 12:28:04 AM »

Good point back atcha, Bladerunner. I have to say though, that if I were an accomplice to Joran, I'd feel far more comfortable of his shut mouth in jail rather than on his own where he comes into contact with others.........anybody! 

While I'm giving out my humble opinion, I'll also say this, because it has bothered me for days. Jossy Mansur has been a lone ranger in Aruba for a long time. He's struggled against the current at great risk and cost to himself, he's been nothing but faithful and helpful to Natalee's family, and has raised his voice when his countrymen vehemently demanded silence.

It bothers me to read anything that suggests negativity toward him. If he stopped today, and never again breathed a word about this case, I think that when an honest list of heroes was compiled in connection with Natalee's demise, Jossy's name would be among them. I have fought compulsion to defend him, but it's wrong not to stand up for someone who has stood up when it was easier to stay seated. Again, JMHO!

Cheering for you and that is what I was trying to say in the post right above yours.  We are creating enemies that might not otherwise exist.
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« Reply #963 on: February 13, 2008, 12:28:06 AM »

let's not forget the porn Paulus gave him in the DVD player.

What's that about?


In 2005 after Joran went to school in the NL, his father gave him for Christmas a DVD player so he could watch porn in class to pass the time.

Well of course, you don't want to be out of place with your peers.
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« Reply #964 on: February 13, 2008, 12:38:07 AM »

Why the need to stand up for Jossy? How about encouraging him?

He stood up for Janssen and van der straaten, should we suggest he take the same attitude with them?

I hope he's pissed and don't care at whom. But Tacopina's too easy and enough with the teenagers.

Jug is not as cool, but I'll take the old fashion "step outside" he gave us yesterday to anything Jossy has written.
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« Reply #965 on: February 13, 2008, 12:39:44 AM »

Well, it's almost time for Klaas' shower, so let's get her to 50 before that time comes.  OK, I think Joran looks like what my cat did on the floor that makes it necessary to mop this late in the evening.  My dog who thought it might be fun to play with, has taken her licks and is sitting in the corner, tail tucked between her legs like Deepak when Joran is determining his fate.  My husband who engages in very little housework but likes to eat, is eating leftover pizza and chicken wings, a lot like Satish. I think I would slap him had he not just returned from a 10-day trip.  The other cat is sleeping on my white comforter and has dragged leaves to it and I think I will be forced to put her in the corner with the dog.  Did I mention this cat reminds me of Anita making a mess with her children.  This cat had 3 kittens in her lifetime and would not nurse them.

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« Reply #966 on: February 13, 2008, 12:40:11 AM »

I agree, Bladerunner...........If Joran actually believed that THIS time, he was going down, I think he'd drag others with him by trying to shift blame. I just think that's more likely in a trial than in jail, "on hold" and leisurely plotting a defense with Tacky.

Think about it. He can't cut a deal and keep his father out of it because he would then have to name someone else as his accomplice. The named in turn will then realize they are screwed and give up the everything, including Paulus. He would likely then give up the prosecutors. The entire lot of them are totally screwed when this goes to trial. Everything is being held together right now by the slightest of threads.

The only way out is to continue with the coverup.

Thank You, Tyler! 

Bladerunner, we couldn't agree more. Nailing Joran will absolutely expose a cover-up, if for no other reason than the mountain of circumstantial evidence that would be used against him, would point to it. If a trial has been handled the way the former "judge's decisions" have, then the public would not be privy to the proceedings, and I'm hoping that Joran will be offered up in appeasement to finally make this case go away. Time is a factor here, and I really feel an urgency to strike while the iron is hot and pressure is on. I really do think that time works for Aruba. Letting Joran off scott free in the wake of the DeVries tape isn't an easy decision either, and it's back on the front burner with MSM as well. I just want to not pass go and go directly to trial. If they'd arrest and charge at the same time, that would work, but I fear this hold and question philosophy. It just eats up time while the fire cools.
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« Reply #967 on: February 13, 2008, 12:44:06 AM »

Why the need to stand up for Jossy? How about encouraging him?

He stood up for Janssen and van der straaten, should we suggest he take the same attitude with them?

I hope he's pissed and don't care at whom. But Tacopina's too easy and enough with the teenagers.Jug is not as cool, but I'll take the old fashion "step outside" he gave us yesterday to anything Jossy has written.

I agree wholeheartedly. This is a coverup of epic proportions that was orchestrated by the authorities of that God for saken island. All bets are off at this point. I stated this previously, forget about Joran, he is done. Lets focus on the other criminals.
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« Reply #968 on: February 13, 2008, 12:46:06 AM »

I agree, Bladerunner...........If Joran actually believed that THIS time, he was going down, I think he'd drag others with him by trying to shift blame. I just think that's more likely in a trial than in jail, "on hold" and leisurely plotting a defense with Tacky.

Think about it. He can't cut a deal and keep his father out of it because he would then have to name someone else as his accomplice. The named in turn will then realize they are screwed and give up the everything, including Paulus. He would likely then give up the prosecutors. The entire lot of them are totally screwed when this goes to trial. Everything is being held together right now by the slightest of threads.

The only way out is to continue with the coverup.

Thank You, Tyler! 

Bladerunner, we couldn't agree more. Nailing Joran will absolutely expose a cover-up, if for no other reason than the mountain of circumstantial evidence that would be used against him, would point to it. If a trial has been handled the way the former "judge's decisions" have, then the public would not be privy to the proceedings, and I'm hoping that Joran will be offered up in appeasement to finally make this case go away. Time is a factor here, and I really feel an urgency to strike while the iron is hot and pressure is on. I really do think that time works for Aruba. Letting Joran off scott free in the wake of the DeVries tape isn't an easy decision either, and it's back on the front burner with MSM as well. I just want to not pass go and go directly to trial. If they'd arrest and charge at the same time, that would work, but I fear this hold and question philosophy. It just eats up time while the fire cools.

Agreed, and the other angle is that we have the election coverage that is in full swing now too. I can't help but wonder how much more press this would be getting if we were in a normal news cycle.
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« Reply #969 on: February 13, 2008, 12:47:12 AM »

Why the need to stand up for Jossy? How about encouraging him?

He stood up for Janssen and van der straaten, should we suggest he take the same attitude with them?

I hope he's pissed and don't care at whom. But Tacopina's too easy and enough with the teenagers.

Jug is not as cool, but I'll take the old fashion "step outside" he gave us yesterday to anything Jossy has written.

Frankly, Frank, you're the reason I feel the need to "stand up" for Jossy. I'll take Jug, too, along with Jossy, but reject that it's a contest. Neither men are the topic of any ridicule by me.

If it were, I'd interject that the gameboard is different for each of them. Many monkeys have feared for Jossy's life as a resident of Aruba in light of the stances he has so publically taken.
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« Reply #970 on: February 13, 2008, 12:50:04 AM »



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« Reply #971 on: February 13, 2008, 12:55:59 AM »

Thanks for the honesty.

I really don't understand why I make you feel the need to stand up for Jossy. As I wrote on arubadirtypolice, it's because I think he's capable of ending this that I bring this up.

His past efforts have been a blessing, but so what?

The cowardly men of Aruba, the half truths and lies of Mos, the phony cloud of mystic riddles of Shango, and anyone that doesn't talk straight should be challenged.

These guys hide behind this veneer of danger, of their own creation. Yeah, we know, and we know why the truth about what happened to Natalee scares everyone who knows.

Jossy's life in danger? How do we know this? Jossy has a chance at this moment, not then, now. It's okay now to say dirty police, corrupt Prosecution, it's been broached.

There are no imminent Tacopina lawsuits, he was bluffing. Now is the moment, take no prisoners, the momentum is here. Jossy is too quiet.

If he were to disappear I would remember a man who did not rise to the moment, and that's not a criticism at all.

He supported Janssen and Van der straaten. Do you find me inappropriate to ask why?

If they fooled him, then....
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« Reply #972 on: February 13, 2008, 01:08:09 AM »

We have no idea what kind of cabal Jossy is up against, nor do we know what personal and business problems take more of his time than he wishes.  He seemed to have faith in Mos and getting to the bottom of things.  Is it because Peter de Vries has taken the tack to get to the bottom of things and Jossy is perhaps giving him the latitude, without interruption or interference which might jeopardize that of which Jossy does not know.  I don't think for one minute Jossy is a big supporter of the PM, but he has a newspaper that has often gone up against the powers that be and for that, I tend to believe that his intent is good and his heart is big.  I personally would not want to live there and have to risk all that I had daily up against that nefarious group.
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« Reply #973 on: February 13, 2008, 01:11:08 AM »

RE: The Landfill

In Dave's book page 161:

He talks about leaving Aruba on Sept 20, 2005 and when flying out over the landfill that he had searched for over a week; he noticed a major dig going on right where he had been searching in late July/early August with a crane backhoe.  Many piles had already been dug up and they were still digging.  He thought this was highly unusual because when he had been there searching the only activity he'd witnessed was with bulldozers covering up the garbage rather than digging it up.  He notified the authorities in an effort to have them investigate.  "Apparently, they were just moving things around."   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #974 on: February 13, 2008, 01:14:30 AM »

RE: The Landfill

In Dave's book page 161:

He talks about leaving Aruba on Sept 20, 2005 and when flying out over the landfill that he had searched for over a week; he noticed a major dig going on right where he had been searching in late July/early August with a crane backhoe.  Many piles had already been dug up and they were still digging.  He thought this was highly unusual because when he had been there searching the only activity he'd witnessed was with bulldozers covering up the garbage rather than digging it up.  He notified the authorities in an effort to have them investigate.  "Apparently, they were just moving things around."   

This is what bothers me so much.  I think Dave especially trusted they were being told the truth about most everything back then.  We look back now and realize it was probably all BS.
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« Reply #975 on: February 13, 2008, 01:15:30 AM »

As recently as last night, I heard Jug state on Nancy Grace, that Jossy was the only "honest" man on that island, and he expressed appreciation to him. (That's a paraphrase, because I didn't look up the exact words). I've heard those same sentiments from Beth in the last 4 days..........she said something to the effect, "Look what Joran has done to Jossy......" also on Nancy Grace. I have heard Dave express the same. Let me just leave it at feeling very uncomfortable taking opposing views with Natalee's family.

There are things that perplex me about a member of Natalee's very family. I leave at being perplexed, because I feel strongly that this site has always been about support for anyone that has responded to the travesties in this case, or who has suffered because of it. Jossy, in my opinion and in the opinion of Natalee's family, is one of those people. I don't take shots at anyone that has that status. Maybe it's loyalty, maybe it's respect, maybe it's just a choice to take the high road.
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« Reply #976 on: February 13, 2008, 01:16:51 AM »

would someone kindly fix the typo in my re: landfill post to year 2005, not 1005.  I previewed and everything and didn't notice it. 

Thanks in advance!     
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #977 on: February 13, 2008, 01:25:48 AM »

I'm looking forward to tomorrow night and the Dana Pretzer show, it would be a doozie. 
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« Reply #978 on: February 13, 2008, 01:28:11 AM »

I'm looking forward to tomorrow night and the Dana Pretzer show, it would be a doozie. 
ME Too.... 
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« Reply #979 on: February 13, 2008, 01:30:02 AM »

I'm looking forward to tomorrow night and the Dana Pretzer show, it would be a doozie. 
ME Too.... 

Me three! 

Is there somewhere we can leave questions, Klaas?
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