Natalee Case Discussion #729 2/11 - 2/13/08

[klaasend]

Someone post the Persistence link for imnoangel.

The Dutch poster caseu (?) wanted the TV station.

Persistence website:

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

[imnoangel]

thanks klaasend and peaches!

[Buckeye]

Rob

Quite an involved few days...hmmmm...

[imnoangel]

yes, thats the boat.
the program is called eenvandaag

[Dayhiker]

I just saw on dutch television that tomorrow evening there will be a documentary about corruption in aruba. they were on a boat searching for natalee.
hang on there monkeys, al the pieces are falling in its place!!

BAM! Glad to see the corruption making it's way over to Holland. Thanks for the heads up Imnoangel! Please keep us posted on what they say.

[private eye]

There is a phto on RU of Karin spanking Jug with his britches down that would be neat to edit to be beth spanking Joran:)))))))))

[AZSunny]

Look I like Jossy, but he needs to explain the comment. I heard him call van der straaten a good man.

Maybe he was fooled, that's okay. But I'm only saying pressure Jossy to get to the truth. I don't believe Jossy is involved in any part of a coverup.

But I do think he gave van der straaten too much leeway, for sure.

"investigate the investigation" Jug Twitty

I actually think this is a quicker road to the truth than going through Joran.

Paulus killed Natalee. It seems like people just don't want to believe this is possible. But this is Aruba

Frank,  I disagree with your thoughts on Josy.  I think he has been extremely supportive and not manipulative in the information he has provided.  He may have believed and trusted Van der Straaten. As this case has evolved and changed, we have all changed our opinions about the cast.  Let's not slam some one that has assisted us, and supported Beth. He doesn't owe us a response daily, but I think he has brought forward information when he has it available. 

[klaasend]

I think my point was.....

Jossy Mansur is looking into the boat "Wet Dream" in November.
J2K are rearrested & the next day the boat blows up in an explosion....

And my point is there is no evidence that boat Wet Dream has anything to do with Patrick's brother.  Also it's more likely instead of Daury Joran was really talking about his father.

Now...we aren't going to do this again are we?

[klaasend]

There is a phto on RU of Karin spanking Jug with his britches down that would be neat to edit to be beth spanking Joran:)))))))))

I'll find a different one to do with Beth and Joran.  Beth wouldn't look good in that suit, IMO 

[jackb]

Look I like Jossy, but he needs to explain the comment. I heard him call van der straaten a good man.

Maybe he was fooled, that's okay. But I'm only saying pressure Jossy to get to the truth. I don't believe Jossy is involved in any part of a coverup.

But I do think he gave van der straaten too much leeway, for sure.

"investigate the investigation" Jug Twitty

I actually think this is a quicker road to the truth than going through Joran.

Paulus killed Natalee. It seems like people just don't want to believe this is possible. But this is Aruba

Why do they need someone saying they heard Joran saying what happened, happened.
Millions of people heard and saw him and how he said it.

WHERE is the Letter that Palus said he got from NH that came in from Arkansas?
   Coverup.

Palus never saw NH before?     coverup
Joran never saw NH before?     coverup
Why would they lie saying they never knew or saw her before unless they were hiding something?  Those people down there are into some kind of freaking something where they are unable to prosecute each other.
Joran never knew Steve Croes?  coverup
Joran never knew GVC ?   coverup
Why distance yourself from certain people?  coverup.

Steve Croes and GVC were very good friends. 
Depak bros knew both GVC and Croes.
Guido knew everyone as he was a card dealer.

Palus has a hunk out of his steering wheel in the white car.  Bet he handled it with bloody hands and cut out the evidence.  Palus may have followed Joran and the gang of boys when they took NH.  There was Guido, Steve, GVC, Freddy, Joran, Koen, Sander and the Kalpoes.
Palus and Vanderstratten knew all the boys and the boys knew each other. Vanderstratten needs to be publically horsewhipped for his part, at the very least and sent to live in a desolate land.  He has shamed any cop who ever wore the badge.  As for Dompig, the shoe licker, I believe his boy was unaware that his dad is on the take and was really trying to help the person he told about GVC.  He probably does not know what a cow chew his dad has turned into.  How could they go on to hurt hurt and destroy the peace of a family and destroy the trust of a whole people and cost the people of Aruba and Holland money that will never be recouped. Why the lies?  They are afraid of someone connecting them to each other. When the dots are connected, then the puzzle will fall into place.  What is hindering is the inability of justice to be given because of sins of the court.      jack blue

[Kat_Gram]

Joran doesn't seem to know EXACTLY what happened after he left the "beach" to go home...Most likely, he left Paulus with Natalee.

IMO it was Patrick's brother that learned that his boat was used in the disposal of Natalee by that sparked the undercover investigation.

June 2007            Patrick van der Eem begins taping Joran in car

July 4, 2007         Innes Watersports (Perry-Patrick's brother in Aruba)
                         As of July 2005 not "registered" as a business any longer
                         "watersports"...banana boat, wave runners, etc.
                         Deep Sea Diving...."Wet Dream" boat

November            Jossy Mansur "looking into" this Wet Dream boat...
                         new info.

November 20, 2007      J2K rearrested...New "info"..asking about new names?

November 21, 2007      Patrick's brother's boat in Aruba "explosion"[/b][/i]

Joran in jail 2.5 weeks

December 7, 2007     Joran released
Next day or 2 Joran bragging about how he "kept quiet"

Dec.10 or 12, 2007    Joran throws wine in DeVries face on Dutch TV
Next day or 2 bragging about this "show"/incident
Next day or 2 Joran brags to Patrick about this wine incident

When is Joran's "actual confession" date?
Had Joran learn that Patrick's brother had actually owned the boat?
Was he telling him what he wanted to hear?

According to Diario that boat was owned by Minister Booshi Wever.  Unless you can provide some proof that boat belonged to Patrick's brother I believe Diario.

I don't believe the perry /patrick boat thing. Let's look at everyone who :
a.) has a brother
b.) brother was on Aruba
c.) brother has a boat
d.) no alibi for the night of or the next night of
OR:
Look at who confessed and who made many conflicitng statements
AND Who was the last person with Natalee.

[Dayhiker]

"I challenge van der Stratten to come on here, they're all cowards, they could have solved this in the first 2 days."

Fecalruba!    

[Frank]

AZsunny,

I respect and value Jossy, I don't think I'm explaining myself well. It's because of that, that I am pushing him.

Like the times some people have given me support to hang in there. I'm saying, if Jossy needs to question some of his beliefs, do it now, now is the time, the momentum is there, and take a hard look at van der straaten and Janssen.

Beth, Dave and Jug have been spot on since the beginning. Investigate the investigation Jossy. Now.

It's not a criticism, it's a challenge.

Jossy is best positioned to write the book on Aruba. An epithet no doubt.

[AZSunny]

www.spankjoran.com


have you seen this?

Gosh, that is fun! got him at 166 mph!!

[Dayhiker]

FROM DILBERT'S BLOG


Fecalruba
Now I’ve done it. I’ve angered the entire population of Aruba with this comic on 6/14/06:

 

Man, did I get angry e-mail from Aruba when that comic ran. Apparently the Arubans, or Arubians, or Arubitarians – whatever they call themselves – think that Fecalruba is my way of mocking Aruba. Apparently they’re still quite touchy about the bad press when American Natalee Holloway disappeared there. If there are two things you could say to hurt tourism, they are:

1. When you visit, they might kill you and then not solve the crime.
2. The island and all of the structures are made of fecal matter.

Neither of those statements is 100% true of course, but the Arubatheenians are worried that tourists might come to think of their island as a turd-scented murder pit when in fact it is quite delightful and pleasing to both the nose and the eye.

Now I must confess that my knowledge of geography stops just short of “tiny islands that are somewhere.” So I don’t know if they are developing nukes, or they have a crack team of hit men controlled by the Board of Tourism, but I no longer feel safe. I have this mental image of a small pod of genetically engineered Arubistanians swimming toward California like porpoises, all menacing-looking.

So let me say right now that Fecalruba is a totally different country from Aruba. I would never insult the fine people of….GAAAAK!!!!!

June 21, 2006

[private eye]

www.spankjoran.com


have you seen this?

Gosh, that is fun! got him at 166 mph!!

332 MPH:)))))))))))))

[Peaches]

Frank, thank you for your clarification re Jossy.  I think he is doing what he can given he still have to live there.  As does his family. 

It's like Charlie Brown, he can either to be the hero or the goat. 

[imnoangel]

jackb, police needs another confession because if you confess something once, to one person, it hardly counts.
but if you confess the confession to another person, it can be and will be held against you.
you see, twice is no slip of the tongue.

[sharon]

well,of course i didnt get that confidence out of the blue.
peter is a keen businessman but he also has proven in the past to work very thorough.
thats why i think peter had enough to put joran behind bars when he revealed the tapes. he did not reveal everything yet, IMO.
i am convinced that he has more evidence.
peter does not take the risk of having such an expensive operation going down the drain, i'm sure.
in the past he has solved crimes that were thought of as unsolvable.
our peter luvvvvs a challenge. if i were joran, i d quickly get that smile off my face....

 

The vision makes my day. Thank you.

[Destiny]

Klaas, I'm trying to get DH caught up here.  Can we see the pic with the barn door open and Taco Joe in tight shorts?

Jug is kicking butt on Nancy Grace.

I don't remember that one, lol 

Klaas, "barn door" is a midwestern term for zipper - as in zipper down.   

Keep in mind this is a big photo op with his high powered American attorneys:





Edited to correct first photo 

I bet he didn't wash his hands either...ewwwwwww!