Natalee Case Discussion #730 2/13 - 2/14/08

[Observer]

This could be all BS.. I dont know its from a blog called witheet.com..But we are all here to find out the truth. Certainly contradicts what we already know about him being arrested and detained for questioning on June 16th 2005 and Jossy telling us he is very close to Joran and has been seen with him often. As well as Jossy telling us it is more than rumor he is Joran's half brother and his reporters confirmed it. Also contradicts that Anita told us he was 5 years younger that his real age. This is just a blog report that even contradicts what the DJ Mark Benson was reporting.

Who is Lorenzo van Rijn?
Within the international media is a true "hunt for the truth" fired on the person of helping Joran van der Sloot. Meanwhile, a new culprit emerged that Joran would have helped to make disappearance of Natalee. The 27 year old Lorenzo van Rijn or also known under the name Jaime Carrasquilla (??). Lorenzo would be an illegitimate son of the father of Joran, Paul van der Sloot. Lorenzo would be raised by a stepfather who had a VW dealership in Aruba. The house of the stepfather to the Jaraweg, anywhere Lorenzo resident, seems to have a basement where the police already clothing of Natalee has found. Lorenzo also appears to be owner of a so-called "cigarette boat". Lorenzo would also be the one that drugs would have preferred that Joran back doorspeelde to Natelee. The sum, this alleged halfbrother Joran have helped to Natalee in the sea to dump. Read further:

So much for the rumors. Sources report that a van Rijn Lorenzo is the son of Paul and one Astrid van Rijn. His parents were once the car Van Rijn Dieselservice BV in Haarlem, before they sold in 1983 and moved to Aruba. According to the Population Lorenzo was born on September 25, 1981 in the Dutch Haarlem. The conscious Lorenzo would by the suicide of his father Paul van Rijn danig be derailed. The public prosecutor in Aruba will not confirm that Lorenzo van Rijn in the Holloway record and prevents but would confirm that a man with a similar name for violations only of the Opiumwet in their file. The story of Natalee Holloway of clothing found in a house on Aruba, the spokesperson of the Aruban public prosecutor off as the biggest nonsense.

Despite these stiff jaws of the Public Ministry has Witheet the information provided (copy ugotovitve) adopted on June 28, 2005, Lorenzo van Rijn around 17:00 pm local time in the Holloway case has been interrogated by verbalisant GC Heijliger. In this statement to the police van Rijn Lorenzo suggests that he Joran van der Sloot and his two friends Hindoestanen do not know, has never seen or spoken with it. He also shows no science to talk about Natalee Holloway and was at the time of her disappearance home.

Peter R. De Vries also responded to the rumours about Lorenzo van Rijn: in order for him moverende reasons he is despite that the name and background of Lorenzo van Rijn had not gone further with this track. From the side of the family Van der Sloot, and especially Paul van der Sloot about his alleged paternity Lorenza van Rijn, to Witheet confirmed that Lorenzo not a child to him or someone else within the family Van der Sloot. With voorstaande seems to be ontzenuwd rumours.

http://witheet.com/misdaad/who-lorenzo-van-rijn

[caesu]

This could be all BS.. I dont know..But we are all here to find out the truth. Certainly contradicts what we already know about him being arrested and detained for questioning on June 16th 2005 and Jossy telling us he is very close to Joran and has been seen with him often. As well as Jossy telling us it is more than rumor he is Joran's half brother and his reporters confirmed it. This is just a blog report.

   
Within the international media is a true "hunt for the truth" fired on the person of helping Joran van der Sloot. Meanwhile, a new culprit emerged that Joran would have helped to make disappearance of Natalee. The 27 year old Lorenzo van Rijn or also known under the name Jaime Carrasquilla (??). Lorenzo would be an illegitimate son of the father of Joran, Paul van der Sloot. Lorenzo would be raised by a stepfather who had a VW dealership in Aruba. The house of the stepfather to the Jaraweg, anywhere Lorenzo resident, seems to have a basement where the police already clothing of Natalee has found. Lorenzo also appears to be owner of a so-called "cigarette boat". Lorenzo would also be the one that drugs would have preferred that Joran back doorspeelde to Natelee. The sum, this alleged halfbrother Joran have helped to Natalee in the sea to dump. Read further:

So much for the rumors. Sources report that a van Rijn Lorenzo is the son of Paul and one Astrid van Rijn. His parents were once the car Van Rijn Dieselservice BV in Haarlem, before they sold in 1983 and moved to Aruba. According to the Population Lorenzo was born on September 25, 1981 in the Dutch Haarlem. The conscious Lorenzo would by the suicide of his father Paul van Rijn danig be derailed. The public prosecutor in Aruba will not confirm that Lorenzo van Rijn in the Holloway record and prevents but would confirm that a man with a similar name for violations only of the Opiumwet in their file. The story of Natalee Holloway of clothing found in a house on Aruba, the spokesperson of the Aruban public prosecutor off as the biggest nonsense.

Despite these stiff jaws of the Public Ministry has Witheet the information provided (copy ugotovitve) adopted on June 28, 2005, Lorenzo van Rijn around 17:00 pm local time in the Holloway case has been interrogated by verbalisant GC Heijliger. In this statement to the police van Rijn Lorenzo suggests that he Joran van der Sloot and his two friends Hindoestanen do not know, has never seen or spoken with it. He also shows no science to talk about Natalee Holloway and was at the time of her disappearance home.

Peter R. De Vries also responded to the rumours about Lorenzo van Rijn: in order for him moverende reasons he is despite that the name and background of Lorenzo van Rijn had not gone further with this track. From the side of the family Van der Sloot, and especially Paul van der Sloot about his alleged paternity Lorenza van Rijn, to Witheet confirmed that Lorenzo not a child to him or someone else within the family Van der Sloot. With voorstaande seems to be ontzenuwd rumours.

http://witheet.com/misdaad/who-lorenzo-van-rijn

*******, i can confirm without having read a word this is all BS.
Steve Brown writes this crap and he has had a long time feud with Peter R. de Vries.

in this clip Steve Brown is attacking Peter R. de Vries:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/18486/4475cb08/index.html

more background, but i am not even spending time on it:
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1997/10/02/Rtv/01.html

[klaasend]

WOW - unbelievable about van der Straaten!

[Observer]

*******, i can confirm without having read a word this is all BS.
Steve Brown writes this crap and he has had a long time feud with Peter R. de Vries.

in this clip Steve Brown is attacking Peter R. de Vries:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/18486/4475cb08/index.html

more background, but i am not even spending time on it:
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1997/10/02/Rtv/01.html

I thought so..This article contradicts most everything that we heard from reliable sources and even the video on the damn site.

[caesu]

WOW - unbelievable about van der Straaten!

i really encourage all of you to send him e-mail.
of course nicely put because it is so much overwhelming info.

especially because he allready must be a little angry at Van Straten.
so if he reads what kind of mess Van Straten made on Aruba.
maybe he will go for him.

can you confirm it is the same Van Straten? did he get transfered to Bonaire?

[caesu]

*******, i can confirm without having read a word this is all BS.
Steve Brown writes this crap and he has had a long time feud with Peter R. de Vries.

in this clip Steve Brown is attacking Peter R. de Vries:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/18486/4475cb08/index.html

more background, but i am not even spending time on it:
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1997/10/02/Rtv/01.html

I thought so..This article contradicts most everything that we heard from reliable sources and even the video on the damn site.

the dumpert link is dead. it try to find a working link.

[Observer]

Fellow Monkeys!

This Dutch Member of Parliament may help!

His name: Hero Brinkman

You can contact him via this link:

http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=114

He went on a important parlemantairy working visit to the Antilles and Aruba in january.
But the working visit got aborted because he wouldn't take back his remarks he made about the islands.
He called the Antilles and Aruba "a corrupt gangsters' nest".
Because that visit got aborted the current visit of prime-minister Balkenende is somewhat of a joke because nothing can get done.

Jan van der Straten is police chief on Bonaire now apparently.
He treathened to arrest him if he would say nasty things about the island.

Police chief wants to arrest PVV-MP

AMSTERDAM - The politie chief of Bonaire wanted PVV-member of parliament Brinkman to have arrested if he would say unpleasant things about the Antilles on the island. "Brinkman is not impeded by knowledge of the Antilles, this man knows nothing about the Antilles," police chief Jan van der Straten said to the newspaper Amigoe. "If he made his comments on Bonaire, I would have a least attempted to arrest him for slandering the population", says police chief Van der Straten in the newspaper.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3010706/_Politiechef_wilde_PVVer_arresteren__.html?pageNumber=3

PVV-MP Hero Brinkman is protected by two bodyguards at arrival on Curaçao

Political consultation Antilles can not continue

WILLEMSTAD - The parliamentary consultation Kingdom relations (POK) on Curaçao does not continue in its whole, after PVV-member of parliament Hero Brinkman has been denied the access to the states. As long as Brinkman has offered no excuses for its description of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba as a "corrupt gangster' nest", the Antillian police force had the authorisation to remove the politician if needed from the building

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2970152/_Politiek_overleg_Antillen_afgelast__.html

He never took his comments back.
Last year he said he wanted to sell the islands on e-bay.
This also caused outrage by other MP's.
On his webpage on the right it says "The Antilles out of the Kingdom".
It is really his issue this corruption problem.

You can contact him via this link:

http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=114

I think the Dutch are for a large part responsible for the mess by sending incompetent prosecutors, judges to the islands.
They used the island for the scum of the Dutch officials, like Karin Janssen.
To prevent a scandal in The Netherlands they got send over there.

Really, if all Dutchies knew what you guys have been doing the last few years I am sure things start moving forward.

Like Peter R. de Vries said: 'case solved'.
Now it is time for the next chapter in my opinion.

To uncover the cover-up.

I doubt ALE is going to do this by themselves.

Of course I am e-mailing him to explain as good as I can what's going on.
But maybe some if you are better at that.

You can contact him via this link:

http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=114

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[caesu]

WOW - unbelievable about van der Straaten!

i really encourage all of you to send him e-mail.
of course nicely put because it is so much overwhelming info.

especially because he allready must be a little angry at Van Straten.
so if he reads what kind of mess Van Straten made on Aruba.
maybe he will go for him.

can you confirm it is the same Van Straten? did he get transfered to Bonaire?

that's Jan van der Straten of course

[Observer]

WOW - unbelievable about van der Straaten!

i really encourage all of you to send him e-mail.
of course nicely put because it is so much overwhelming info.

especially because he allready must be a little angry at Van Straten.
so if he reads what kind of mess Van Straten made on Aruba.
maybe he will go for him.

can you confirm it is the same Van Straten? did he get transfered to Bonaire?

Yes,same person!

[Kiwi]

3 years running they should just give in. This can't be too good for their health. So keep up the pressure.

[caesu]

*******, i can confirm without having read a word this is all BS.
Steve Brown writes this crap and he has had a long time feud with Peter R. de Vries.

in this clip Steve Brown is attacking Peter R. de Vries:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/18486/4475cb08/index.html

more background, but i am not even spending time on it:
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1997/10/02/Rtv/01.html

I thought so..This article contradicts most everything that we heard from reliable sources and even the video on the damn site.

the dumpert link is dead. it try to find a working link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxxBt5uZYY

he is a real nutcase imo

[Observer]

*******, i can confirm without having read a word this is all BS.
Steve Brown writes this crap and he has had a long time feud with Peter R. de Vries.

in this clip Steve Brown is attacking Peter R. de Vries:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/18486/4475cb08/index.html

more background, but i am not even spending time on it:
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1997/10/02/Rtv/01.html

I thought so..This article contradicts most everything that we heard from reliable sources and even the video on the damn site.

the dumpert link is dead. it try to find a working link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxxBt5uZYY

he is a real nutcase imo

So he has zero credibility? Because his blog about LVR doesnt add up,Im sure they could have lied to him and guiven him bad info as well.

[Observer]

Caesu:

That is the 3rd video I have seen of people attacking Peter,I think the second one I have seen where they kick him in the butt. I guess thats the price he pays for being a famous crime reporter?

[LilPuma]

I just listened to Greta's replay with Les Levine.  Just mentioning that both Les and Joe T are emphasizing that Joran has changed in the last three years, is not the same Joran they met so long ago.......

Joe is still setting up the groundwork for the lawsuit and big payoff Joran and his family expect to get out of this. 

Night monkeys. 

[klaasend]

******* - per your request   

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[caesu]

*******, i can confirm without having read a word this is all BS.
Steve Brown writes this crap and he has had a long time feud with Peter R. de Vries.

in this clip Steve Brown is attacking Peter R. de Vries:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/18486/4475cb08/index.html

more background, but i am not even spending time on it:
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1997/10/02/Rtv/01.html

I thought so..This article contradicts most everything that we heard from reliable sources and even the video on the damn site.

the dumpert link is dead. it try to find a working link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxxBt5uZYY

he is a real nutcase imo

So he has zero credibility? Because his blog about LVR doesnt add up,Im sure they could have lied to him and guiven him bad info as well.

i really shouldn't spend time on witheet or steve brown.
it is al misinformation. he would love if dutchies start doubting peter r. de vries.

and exactly, peter r. has a lot of enemies.
many people fear him and start spuwing misinformation to try to discredit him.
that's why peter r. NEVER speculates if he doesn't get the time to back things up extensively.
if he would speculate without backing things up - guys like steve brown would attack him instantly.
and that's the reason why he is succesfull.

[Frank]

But he's a "good man" according to Jossy Mansur.

[LilPuma]

One last thing for the night:  Caesu, thank you for the article.  All I can say is
GO BRINKMAN! 

[caesu]

*******, i can confirm without having read a word this is all BS.
Steve Brown writes this crap and he has had a long time feud with Peter R. de Vries.

in this clip Steve Brown is attacking Peter R. de Vries:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/18486/4475cb08/index.html

more background, but i am not even spending time on it:
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1997/10/02/Rtv/01.html

I thought so..This article contradicts most everything that we heard from reliable sources and even the video on the damn site.

the dumpert link is dead. it try to find a working link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxxBt5uZYY

he is a real nutcase imo

So he has zero credibility? Because his blog about LVR doesnt add up,Im sure they could have lied to him and guiven him bad info as well.

i really shouldn't spend time on witheet or steve brown.
it is al misinformation. he would love if dutchies start doubting peter r. de vries.

and exactly, peter r. has a lot of enemies.
many people fear him and start spuwing misinformation to try to discredit him.
that's why peter r. NEVER speculates if he doesn't get the time to back things up extensively.
if he would speculate without backing things up - guys like steve brown would attack him instantly.
and that's the reason why he is succesfull.

i mean:

you really shouldn't spend time on witheet or steve brown.

[caesu]

One last thing for the night:  Caesu, thank you for the article.  All I can say is
GO BRINKMAN! 

hero brinkman   

some word-things on scaredmonkeys are so funny.