Natalee Case Discussion #730 2/13 - 2/14/08

[Rob]

This looks like a match -

[Tylergal]

The 11:00 pm pick up by Paulus has never sounded right, especially if you look at the computer records.  Joran logged on to his email at 10:33 pm.  Yet....Paulus didn't pick him up until 11:00 pm?????

I think Joran rode home with Paulus from the casino because I believe that was Paulus sitting next to Natalee at the table.  I don't think Paulus went home and left Joran there.  I think they left the casino at the same time...just after Joran told the girls he would try to meet them at CnC's.  Did anyone come forward to verify that Paulus was at home between 8:00 pm and 11:00 pm?

It was 4 a.m., as was discovered in his suit for monetary gain.  There was no 11 o'clock pickup.  Just another lie by PVDS which ALE did not care to pursue, since ALE has turned the case over to AHATA, the reason MP16, insinuated he become a significant person at AHATA.  Uncover the reasons for MP16 inserting himself into the case, and uncover some truth.

[Bladerunner]

This looks like a match -

Yep, in the first comparison the wheel wells are not quite the same, the van on the right has a distinctively rounded wheelwell, which is not quite the same in the van on the left.

[klaasend]

[Observer]

I didn't even know Lorenzo existed until well into the investigation when scubajap stated talking about him and Vadir van Loon so I have hardly "defended" him "since the beginning" but I also don't think it is defending somebody to ask for a shred of proof they are even involved in any way.

Your posts are on record at RWV from July 2005 at RWV saying that LVR has nothing to do with this case and is a red herring. I don't want to give you a hard time about it..It's just that something isnt right,there are over a hundred  posts from you on multiple blogs defending LVR.

[imnoangel]

i strongly believe your suggestion in the last post to be true, tygergal.
i am convinced paulus was with joran all of the time, though i have no proof of that, it is a very strong feeling

[Bladerunner]

I didn't even know Lorenzo existed until well into the investigation when scubajap stated talking about him and Vadir van Loon so I have hardly "defended" him "since the beginning" but I also don't think it is defending somebody to ask for a shred of proof they are even involved in any way.

Your posts are on record at RWV from July 2005 at RWV saying that LVR has nothing to do with this case and is a red herring. I don't want to give you a hard time about it..It's just that something isnt right,there are over a hundred  posts from you on multiple blogs defending LVR.

[Anna]

I didn't even know Lorenzo existed until well into the investigation when scubajap stated talking about him and Vadir van Loon so I have hardly "defended" him "since the beginning" but I also don't think it is defending somebody to ask for a shred of proof they are even involved in any way.

Your posts are on record at RWV from July 2005 at RWV saying that LVR has nothing to do with this case and is a red herring. I don't want to give you a hard time about it..It's just that something isnt right,there are over a hundred  posts from you on multiple blogs defending LVR.

Asking for proof of a connection is NOT defending someone.

Links please! 

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[truthseeker2]

i strongly believe your suggestion in the last post to be true, tygergal.
i am convinced paulus was with joran all of the time, though i have no proof of that, it is a very strong feeling

That was my post, added to by tylergal.

[MumInOhio]

Hans Mos has stated that the van Rijns have hired an attorney do deal with the harassment just as Daury R did.

Does anyone know the name of this attorney?  I have been able to ascertain that it is not Hendrick Croes who represented Lorenzo in the drug bust nor any of the attorneys at
Croes, Wever & Tchong.

Rumor and more than rumor = a rumor that some believe but a rumor none the less.  Jossy said July 23, 2007, he had not been able to confirm any connection.

But if anyone knows the name of the attorney representing the van Rijns now per these accusations and rumors, I would like to know who it is.

TIA

Can you point me in the dirction of that article where Hans Mos says the van Rijn's have hired an attorney? 

Why would you want to know who Lorenzo's lawyer is that is representing him for accusations and rumors? 

That would be the proper person to whom concerns should be addressed as he has been hired to deal with that issue.  I am also wondering if he has made any sort of public statement on behalf of the van Rijns as would be official spokesperson.

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LOTS of names have been discussed since 2005.
I don't know how others feel but this post is making me very uncomfortable.
Why this?

I'm sorry vms...I'm not sure why this is making you very uncomfortable...the posts?...the names?

No need to answer, if you don't want. I just wanted you to know I read your post.

[AZLady]

I agree with Anna's point....

There is no direct evidence that Lorenzo had any contact with Natalee
I will not believe 2 "psychics" hired by Renfro...imo

There are other rave houses, other oddballs....

The "coverup" is the truth
Find who is doing the spinning & you will find answers
They are not doing all this for Joran or Lorenzo

Van der Stratten
Gerald Dompig
Dennis Jacobs
Karen Janssen

They are the coverup.  Bring them in and question them. 

[klaasend]

IMO, as a poster and not as a moderator, suggesting we not talk about people that have been questioned in the case or that are related to people that have been questioned in the case is just like saying the "answers are in Mountain Brook".

[Rob]

Rob,

Those pics you posted a few pages back with the van at the funeral and the dogs outside the Sloot house of horrors....look at the guy in both pics.  It looks like the same guy in both.  Or,....had you already noticed that?

Hi TS... not sure which one you mean.. can you please bump it forward?

[imnoangel]

i wish there was more information, evidence, on pvds to support my gut feeling. as for now, its all trying to complete the puzzle while its not known if the pieces available fit, or if im forcing them to fit.
so its all speculation. frustrating.

[AZLady]

Rob and Kermit...You guys RoCk!

Hi Debra... you have my interest... where did you find that, if I might ask?

Debra, what is this building?  Forgive me if you've already said and I missed it.

[imnoangel]

Oops! I'm sorry Truthseeker

[Tylergal]

i strongly believe your suggestion in the last post to be true, tygergal.
i am convinced paulus was with joran all of the time, though i have no proof of that, it is a very strong feeling

That was my post, added to by tylergal.

Yes, it was and sometimes things just do not work right on the "quotes" and so forth.  My apologies.  I don't know why it messed up.  Nonetheless, yes.  That was your post I "quoted" and added my own commentary. 

[Tamikosmom]

Why does the prosecution office feel the need to defend Joran van der Sloot against witch-hunts ... Joran has his defence team?  Why does the prosecution office feel the need to provide protection for Joran van der Sloot ... Aruba has a Law Enforcement?
 
Joran van der Sloot has his defence ... law enforcement ... the judiciary and even the prosecution all acting on his behalf.  There does not appear to be one person in Aruba  ... who holds an official position of authority ...  advocating on behalf of Natalee Holloway and her family. 

Janet

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AMIGOE
February 9, 2008

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The OM has called on the media in a press release not to launch a witch hunt around the Holloway-case and to abstain from investigations of their own.  “The interest for this case seems to degenerate into a witch hunt, whereby several people are being menaced in an intimidated manner”, is the opinion of justice.  To the OM, these practices are ‘unacceptable’.  People are being marked as suspects without any confirmation and menaced as such with all its consequences.  Besides, other than causing big unrest, journalistic investigations harm the criminal investigation, said justice.  “Without wanting to harm the value of free press coverage, justice would like the media to be reserved, exactly for the above reasons.”   

“The cameras were all around his house”, informed district attorney Dop Kruimel.  “He had to take on a lawyer for the contact with us.”

If necessary, the OM will also protect the suspect Joran van der Sloot

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http://www.amigoe.com/english/



Associated Press
April 13, 2006

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — The parents of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who vanished during a high school graduation trip to Aruba, say they oppose moving their civil trial from New York to the Caribbean island because witnesses are too terrified to testify there.
The motion opposing the move, filed by Dave Holloway and Elizabeth Twitty in Manhattan's state Supreme Court, says they "and several other key witnesses in this case have been subject to intimidation, hostility and death threats."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191599,00.html

[Debra]

Anna...I know what you mean...
Ya know you just "feel something"
Of course, he's the perfect scapegoat...rave parties, drugs....

Let's look at those you stayed on Aruba:

1-Lorenzo

[MumInOhio]

Tamikosmom....In his book he said he went out to the outside bar at 9.45.  I want to know where and what he was doing until Paulus didn't pick him up at 11PM

We had a discussion a while back about Beth being told he was offered a ride. Why all the lies in the PVs about this hour, actually until they arrived at C&C aboout 12.30PM. Something is not right about this part of their timeline.

The 11:00 pm pick up by Paulus has never sounded right, especially if you look at the computer records.  Joran logged on to his email at 10:33 pm.  Yet....Paulus didn't pick him up until 11:00 pm?????

I think Joran rode home with Paulus from the casino because I believe that was Paulus sitting next to Natalee at the table.  I don't think Paulus went home and left Joran there.  I think they left the casino at the same time...just after Joran told the girls he would try to meet them at CnC's.  Did anyone come forward to verify that Paulus was at home between 8:00 pm and 11:00 pm?

Thanks truthseeker...and then all the lies about what time Deepak left work and ones that don't match by Satish, and of course Joran's would be to cover for Paulus taking Joran home....

It hadn't crossed my mind...Thank You!